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Do you believe non-religious people, who lead a good life, are still going to hell?


One of my biggest frustrations with religion is the idea that, how you live your life is of no consequence if you do not accept god. For example, John Smith is a good christian man who helps people, obeys the law and cares for his family. Meanwhile, John Doe also helps people, obeys the law and cares for his family, but because he isn't christian, he is going to hell. If John Doe dies and discovers that there is a god, wouldn't god accept him anyway because he was a good person in life? God can't be as good as everyone says if religious affiliation is the only criteria for getting into heaven.

 

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    wilmiers77 5 years ago

    IDONO, People who hasn't heard of Jesus and is deserving salvation (being made perfect) shall have a chance during the millenium period to hear and accept Jesus. That's during the 1000 years after the second coming of Jesus.


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    wilmiers77 5 years ago

    Self always refuse to accept "We are saved by grace; not by works."; All humans are imperfect. Jesus is the only one who present you perfect before God. God demands perfection. All of self works are like dung to God and Jesus says I know you not.


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    Catherine Kane 5 years ago

    But if we are not saved by good works, then we cannot cheapen his death by continueing to sin. By definition, we're imperfect, but our Father loves us anyway.....


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    wilmiers77 5 years ago

    You have a misconception about life. The body returns to dust, but the spirit lives on.

    I am sorry, but your morally correct friends has a fallacy. Their morals can be scrutinized and found to be controversial for they are relative; not absolute.


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    wilmiers77 5 years ago

    1.Revelation 19:20

    And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a la


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    IDONO 3 years ago

    The people that lived before Jesus and knew nothing of salvation, didn't have those 2 choices. Are they all lost souls? Is all of mankind that lived more than about 2000 yrs ago, burning in hell today? See my comment 1 answer up. It applies nicely.


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    wilmiers77 5 years ago

    Kane, "no good deed goes unrewarded." Other religions must come to Jesus even if they arrive differently than Judaism-Christian, but one must ultimately go to and thru who we call Jesus. Many ways to Jesus; one way to God. Telling All Jesus in Milliu


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    wilmiers77 5 years ago

    You have a very good local, uneffected by time philosoph of life.


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    CrescentSkies, self always refuse to accept "We are saved by grace; not by works." God only accept perfection. "how good of a person..."? That's debatable because Jesus is the only one who has lived a perfect life.


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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 10 months ago

    Right! Christ & Paul BOTH originally taught the 'christos' or 'Christ Consciousness' or Kingdom of God was WITHIN each one of us; AND Christ's purpose was to show us how to navigate through our human existence. 'Salvation' was tacked on later.


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    One of my favorites! Great!


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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 10 months ago

    Amen. There is a reason why hundreds of pre-bible gospels (and their owners) were destroyed while only four were inserted as 'written by original disciples' - in Greek, not in Jesus' native language. There are now TWO versions of Christianity.


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    Jewels, each person has the freedom of choice to choose self or Jesus. Hell is distasteful to everyone, but...

    You don't know the Son of God.

    I do not teach religion rather I teach a personal relationship with Jesus, the Son of God; a Love affair.


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    Catherine Kane 5 years ago

    I'm not sure how you picture faith without the concept of believing in anything.

    As to proof, we don't see the wind, but we can feel it and see what it does.

    I also find your not commenting by commenting an odd concept


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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 10 months ago

    Yes. When you 'feel good' you are in harmony with the eternal 'soul' part of you; when you feel bad (any negative emotion) - you are in disagreement; because God can only see 'the good' in absolutely everything. This is our navigation system.


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    Omer (Omer123) 2 years ago

    if you are atheist then how you can limit , how you can know this is good and that work is bad or sin ? hah no faith mean no limitation and no worries about any work ...


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    wilmiers77 5 years ago

    Things does clear up only to a good shadowy view, but to be saved one must accept God's salvation thru Jesus. Then and only then shall one see that Jesus is the Truth and the Life giving a perfect view. Not by works, but by grace are we saved.


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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    VERY "HAPPY!"

    AGAIN, I didn't go try to "figure GOD out" or "research" to find HIM! I sought HIM w/a PURE HEART (I screamed "I'm tired!") and HE came into my life!

    Since, HE'S been speaking to me DIRECTLY (Jer 31:33-34; Heb8:12) as HE PROMISED!


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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 10 months ago

    *applause* I would pick this as the new best answer if I could. I'd add, it isn't good to have inferiority complex like, "you're born unworthy" - its not good for YOUR heart. There is no condemnation, you KNOW this. Listen to undo the twists.


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    wilmiers77 5 years ago

    From my college philo class I was taught that the Deist is someone who believes that God created all, laid the rules for us to follow or die, and disappeared for all time. Is this true in your belief system?


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    Jilani, please don't confuse the Permissive Will of God with the Perfect. Permissive Will falls under Grace period, but that ends and ony God's Perfect Will gives eternal life; least Jesus died on the cross for nothing. Jesus must present you perfect


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    Tell you what, see how long you live trying to eat that "direct line" to god. See if it fills your belly and eases the pangs.


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    Kiss andTales 11 months ago

    Ex 34:27 Jehovah went on to say to Moses:

    “You are to write down these words, because in accordance with these words, I am making a covenant with you and with Israel.”

    They agreed and accepted. that means they accepted the judgments of wrong doing


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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 10 months ago

    When we are born is when we begin to 'become dual' beings with our eternal soul and a physical-based ego BOTH meant to assist in our soul's expansion in this life. The ego (not the personality) 'falls away' when our body dies: its purpose complete.


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    maheshpatwal, him/her's good karma can have fruits of a goodlife in this world (no good deed goes unrewarded), but ONLY Jesus presenting you perfect to God will get you eternal life.


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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    K&T: NWT=Jn 14:26 HS sent "IN MY NAME" (JesusSAY) & Acts 7:51, "..ye RESIST the holy spirit (Sm "h" & "s")!

    What kind of "FOOL" would defy HS; "own" Bible (NWT)?

    Your "cult" defies JESUS who we "bend our knees" (Phil2:10;NWT) because H


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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    I believe as Adam & Eve didn't obey HIS "FIRST" commandment, we didn't obey HIS "LAST" commandment (Acts 1:4 "WAIT") & suffer IGNORANCE! GOD winked at IGNORANCE then but we have no excuse now! HE commanded us to "WAIT" for HELP fm HOLY SPIR


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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    Herein lies the problem "...submitting to God!"

    We want to be "THE VINE" when JESUS told us "we are the 'branches" (Jn15:5)! When we "humble ourselves" (IChron7:14) to HIS WORD & RELY "TOTALLY" on HIM for "guidance," HE does it ALL(Jn14:23;Heb4


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    wilmiers77 5 years ago

    Amen. Very true.


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    Norine Williams 2 years ago

    If u blv "Modern Christianity has it's roots in the Egyptian mystery cults.," then u don't blv in God! Yes, GOD allowed man "free will," as He does today, but got tired as He will today then "the judgment" & 1 will "see" the inevitable (hell)!


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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    Non-religious people weren't just "farted from stars" but 'created' by GOD!

    If u created a robot; u would expect it to report to u! So it is w/GOD & u WILL eventually report to your CREATOR!


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    M. T. Dremer 4 years ago

    Well said. Thank you for your thoughtful comment.


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    Norine Williams 11 months ago

    I believe ALL "religious" people are going to HELL!


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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    Then provide a book with as many accurate fulfilled prophecies written before Bible as Bible?

    What did you "wait" for Katy?


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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 10 months ago

    If so many different races and beliefs - religious and otherwise - exist; God obviously ADORES diversity and thrives in it. 'Scaring' people into believing in a doctrine is done by people in power to control & manipulate the masses. Yeah, BULLSH*


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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    MISFIT: Releasing HALF TRUTH is our "TEST" to see if we've "WAITED" for HIS HELP or we will run around like you're doing; "researching" & others who are doing trying to "figure out" if evolution or creation!

    If we "WAIT" HE "reveals"which is TRU

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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    AMEN!

    Just "perception!"


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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    Natural love is not GOD'S LOVE (AGAPE)! Could you love someone who killed someone you loved? IF you BELIEVE there's a GOD, you MUST BELIEVE on HIS Son; JESUS(aka WORD)! "Assemble yourselves"(Heb10:25)! "Being good" won't get to heaven. Atheist are


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    Kiss andTales 11 months ago

    Ivan to take their lives Their God they had thrown away to worship false or foreign gods.They lost Jehovah’s protection and now satan will make them pay .

    Satan is not loyal to no one even if people worship him he has been known to still kill you


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    Kiss andTales 11 months ago

    Ivan according to Lu 13:24“Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able.

    Mt 7:14 "and few are finding it"

    You see this is not based on the higher but the lower.


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    Norine Williams 2 years ago

    "A true heart creates a true self and lives in "their" true beliefs only." What basis used for "their true beliefs?" Man has TRUTH?

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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    Amen! Eph 2:8-9!

    MF: I believe some Scriptures were changed by "the council" but GOD "revealed" via the HOLY SPIRIT!

    All J wants us to know is HE loves us & wants us to love HIM w/ALL our heart(Jn14:15) then HE'LL "reveal" via our "FAITH"(Rm1:1


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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    And if we LOVE HIM for doing that, we should "obey HIS commandments" (Jn 14:15)!

    That's the "basic idea!"


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    Damian (Damian10) 10 months ago

    The only way to the Father is through the Son. The Only way.


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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 10 months ago

    Right & in fact, 'evil' souls also go to heaven cuz 1) sin has a different purpose than most know; 2) hell doesn't exist, 'heaven' is only place for our life energy/soul to go. We R spirits having a human experience - not other way around. :)


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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    How does 1 "receive J as personal Lord & Savior?"

    Don't take Rm10:9-10 "literally!"

    U can't just believe there is a GOD & GOD "has raised Him for the dead!"

    "For w/the heart man believeth [ALL of HIS "rightly divided WORD]...unto salvatio


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    Kiss andTales 10 months ago

    Brian very interesting answer, but let's look beyond our planet

    Earth, there exist heavenly space ,as where the sun, moon,stars hang. There are countless stars not discovered, but they exist. You are right about hell, but we look up into heavens


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    wilmiers77 5 years ago

    Yes a 100 yr man can burn in hell if he has rejected Jesus. I suggest studying the bible and compare the above. It appears that you are out in the middle of some faith...bring something home.


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    Norine Williams 11 months ago

    Did Jesus say HE was "religious?"

    According to Bible "pure Religion" is "WORK" (Jm 2:27)!

    The Holy Spirit "WORKS" under the New Covenant & is why Jesus "HATES" religion!


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    Janice Miller (Let-freedom-rigng) 10 months ago

    I'm sorry you feel that way.


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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    Please give Scripture where "We all go to hell?"

    Also give Scripture Why "Jesus went to hell?"


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    Find a book that has as many "fulfilled prophecies" as the Bible & then tell me "it is not who or what you worship but rather how good of a person you actually are."

    JESUS is not "rigid" IF you obey HIS "LAST" command;"WAIT"(Acts1:4) for HIS HEL


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    wilmiers77 5 years ago

    Lane, it come down to receiving eternal life or not which would mean goodbye forever to your soul.


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    Norine Williams 24 months ago

    Eph 2:9!


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    JESUS "never" taught "religion!" HE HATED IT(Matt23)! Religion is defined in Jm1:27 "works" which we are no longer under (Old Covenant) re: Eph 2:8-9! GOD CARES or no Gal1:6-9! GOD "REQUIRES BELIEF" re: Heb3:19! Mustard seed of FAITH in HIS PROMISES


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    Just as the Children of Israel "provoked" & was grieved 40yrs; they BELIEVED NOT & COULD NOT ENTER BECAUSE OF "UNBELIEF" so it is with us! "WORKS" (doing good) will NEVER 'save!' One "MUST" BELIEVE & let *HIM* (HAVE "FAITH") do as HE SAI


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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    Not "questionable," IF we "OBEY" (Jn14:15)! HE told us to "WAIT"(Acts1:4) for "HELP"(Jn14:26) of HOLY SPIRIT to "lead & guide us"-IF we BELIEVE!

    Yes, ONLY "through HIS Spirit"(Titus2:11-12"TEACHING") IF we've "WAITED" (Acts1:4)!

    Then Rm3:22;2


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    Harish Mamgain (Harishprasad) 3 years ago

    Jennifer, do you think words such as you speak are yours ? No, dear, such a language is being spoken by you because God loves it the most. That is why, speaking nice, acting good and thinking sublime is like residing in Heaven and reverse is Hell.


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    Why then are there so many believers vs unbelievers?

    Are that MANY "IGNORANT?"


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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    Thanks Janice! I give WORD (Matt13) BUT GOD "gives the increase" (I Cor 3:6)!

    "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in ALL the world for a witness unto ALL nations; and then shall the end come!"

    Jer 31:33-34 "for they shall ALL know me"


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    Harish Mamgain (Harishprasad) 3 years ago

    Philter 12, we just have to go for essence of everything. As you need fruit, you do not uproot whole tree so you must pick up what is appropriate to your common sense and conscience. I feel enchanted to read your comment. God bless you.

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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    Mary I think you meant If one is not "religious" they are not bound for hell; because "Christians" or SUPPOSED TO BE followers of Christ or Disciples of Christ who we are SUPPOSED TO model!


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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    Tim! Answer my recently posted Q: "What Does It Mean To "Be Born Again?"

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    wilmiers77 5 years ago

    Yes, but self good won't get you eternal life. One can taste eternal life here and now, but you must have taken Jesus to heart.


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    wilmiers77 5 years ago

    Djaak, our good is relative. God's good is absolutely perfect. No one is perfect whether considered good in this world or not. Jesus must present you perfect to God. He can because he died to pay our sin debt.


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    wilmiers77 5 years ago

    There are many ways to Jesus, but there is only way to God; eventually you must pass thru Jesus for eternal salvation. Souls that lived a good life shall be resurrected after the 2nd Coming, and taught Jesus. If they say this is my Ideal. than...OK.


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    Harish Mamgain (Harishprasad) 3 years ago

    El Solo Lobo, sleep is like death but how happy we feel in our sleep that we don't want to be disturbed. In sleep we are simply as we are as pure self alone devoid of all the conditionings imposed on us when awake. So like sleep, death is also sweet.


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    M. T. Dremer 3 years ago

    The purpose of this question was to outline a flaw in religious moral code. Condemning good people indicates a societal problem that affects all of us. Recognizing that problem is the first step towards correcting it.


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    Damian (Damian10) 10 months ago

    The problem Mr. I is there is great history and archaeology for people like King David, Jesus and even Pilate. So these people were here. What exactly does one do with that? God gives us a free will you can believe or not believe as you wish.


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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    Matt 28:19 "Go ye therefore & TEACH ALL NATIONS" does that sound like disciples of Christ are to "sit quietly?"

    You "sit quietly" & watch "As the stomach turns" & try to figure out which "rocks you'll beg to fall on u"(Rev6:16) when JES


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    MizBejabbers 5 years ago

    In the Scriptures, however, “Gehenna” (“hell,” AV)—all incredible myths to the contrary notwithstanding—does not speak of “the place of the eternal torments of the damned.” Instead, it refers to an actual place on earth, namely, the valley (or “ravin


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    Kiss andTales 11 months ago

    Ivan people are fooled who is doing what,

    They think the Father is causing bad things but it is satan who hates humans and is trying to destroy us all. But he wants God the Father to do it.

    We are tested on things and weaknesses not what we thin


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    M. T. Dremer 3 years ago

    The purpose of the question was to highlight the backwards morality of religion. Condemning good people to eternal torment doesn't sound like something a peaceful god would want.


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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    AMEN!

    GOD "always" places us where we are to be to "draw us to HIM" after "looking @ the heart!"

    Blessings ALWAYS!


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    Philter12 4 years ago

    Does perish mean torment and suffering for eternity? Seems likethe people going to this "hell" have more imperishability than believers. They are tormented and suffer yet never die. Those in heaven are living a much healthier life so it's no miracle.


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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    MF: And I will continue to "obey" HIS commands" & BELIEVE in HIS WORD until HE speaks to me (which HE does;Acts 1:2) & tells me otherwise (Jer31:34;Heb8:11)!

    I AM "GRATEFUL;" "THANKFUL" & you should be too!

    If so, u certainly don't show


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    Norine Williams 2 years ago

    "(I) say live life the way you feel is right and what makes you happy." Is exactly why the world is what it is today = Evil = Not "believing" in GOD!


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    Norine Williams 10 months ago

    Do you mean "because they desired to worship God Almighty & did not desire to rest & enjoy the pleasures of this world will result in Armageddon?"

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    Kiss andTales 11 months ago

    People are allowed to make their own choices and decisions but it's satan that makes accusations about us that we should die forever. So the tests is what we make it to be,like we may know something is wrong but do our body control us more do wron


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