One of my biggest frustrations with religion is the idea that, how you live your life is of no consequence if you do not accept god. For example, John Smith is a good christian man who helps people, obeys the law and cares for his family. Meanwhile, John Doe also helps people, obeys the law and cares for his family, but because he isn't christian, he is going to hell. If John Doe dies and discovers that there is a god, wouldn't god accept him anyway because he was a good person in life? God can't be as good as everyone says if religious affiliation is the only criteria for getting into heaven.
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IDONO, People who hasn't heard of Jesus and is deserving salvation (being made perfect) shall have a chance during the millenium period to hear and accept Jesus. That's during the 1000 years after the second coming of Jesus.
It seems that very few people realize that christianity is a very small percentage of overall faiths on the earth. I find it hard to believe that all on earth, except christians, will end up in hell. That seems extremely arrogant to me.
"The road to destruction is broad with many on it; the road to eternal life is narrow, and few find it." This includes Christian church members.
Here is the crux of the issue. The Christian Bible clearly states: John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. -- Right from "God" himself - If you do not believe = hell period!
jlcustompc, you must come to God firstly; Jesus must present you perfect before God or hell.We are in God's grace, experiencing His Permissive Will where He says come, good, keep coming. We are reward for trying, not for being perfect.Jesus is.. dito
wilmiers77 - can you double check your grammar? -- Anyway why should I come to "god" if god wants to come to me I am all for it, I have never seen anything that would let me know there is a "god" or "gods".
jlcustompc, appears that you are doing what others do on hub when running short of intelluctual response...begin to correct grammar and typos. I have just begun. God is continually extending his love to you. You must exercise ur freedom of choice.
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After the second coming of Jesus for 1000 yrs they get to accept him? That's an unfair advantage to them. They get to be convinced by Jesus himself and I only get to be convinced by people who follow him. Interesting.
Leave gramma and other issues of that sort out of the replies. We are only allowed to leave short comments.
Idono, I am surprised to find the eastern wisdom so fully ingrained in you that it is easier to identify with you so far my own outlook in respect of religion and God is concerned. My dear friend, you have very skillfully grasped the essence in full.
Joh_3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Rom_7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
Being that I've been taught that we are all created equal, how can we be so arrogant as to believe that we get to learn of salvation now, first hand, and those people have to wait a thousand years? We are not chosen or special. God loves us all equal
Well said. Personally, I will not create hell for my children if they disobey me or disbelieve in what I say. Definitely, God has more goodness in him than myself. If a book says non-believers go to hell, its authenticity should be questioned.
Rayasa, all religious teachings have subtle messages hidden behind them,concepts that appear to us as bizarre can be understood well if we ponder over them in their right perspectives. We can discuss these but argumentation is not wise at all.
Dear Harishprasad, Sorry if I am using my common sense too much, but I fail to see why non-religious people with good morals should go to hell. No arguments here - you are free to set me straight on this.
rayasa, you are such a thoughtful person that there is no question of arguments. The purpose is to understand something taking into account every possible bent of mind, that's why we are here together. When a text says," Go straight", does it mean .?
Yah .. exactly at the end of day their will be only you and Him no matter what else . so better to prepare some sort of good resource for your own self so that when you will face him he will treat you in a better way ..
Good answer, IDONO. Still, is God a Him, a Her on an It? We know there are Laws of Nature, and even Psychological Laws. The Laws of God appear to be pretty uniform. The Golden Rule applies across most major religions. Yep! No one's excluded
Norine many a religion may believe anything ,it does not mean they speak the truth.
What was Jesus last words assending up in Heaven ?
Mt 24:14 And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the
Acts 1 is where HE ASCENDED (v9) & HIS LAST COMMANDMENT was to "WAIT" (v4) for "HELP" Promised in Jn14:26 which is POWER (v8) for "revelation" (Gal1:12) from HIM (Jer 31:34)!
What "book" does one need then?
Did you "WAIT?"
Now you are lying to save imbarrasment. I have been on hp since yesturday.your are just now appearing on HP
Shame on you for that Ivan.
AGAIN: Do you KNOW you are going to be HELD ACCOUNTABLE for LYING although *U* THINK is true (Jer 23:1)?
Norine its clear you use his words to argue and fight with people here on HP day and night.
You are doing the same thing.
You come on to vex and accuse and criticize. Thats not right or normal.
And you do this in the name of religion.
READ my HUB "Christians Grumbling Arguing & Judging" to see GOD SAID "JUDGE" & "CORRECT" as u would your children!
It's "not right" IF u DON'T "BELIEVE" HIS WORD!
I don't do ANYTHING in the name of Religion but in the NAME OF "GOD" (aka "JESU
if jesus sat at the right hand of god in heaven how can they be one and the same? &if thats true,then since lucifer sat at gods left while jesus at the right then all 3must be the same god,jesus&lucifer. a thousand views without proper perspe
There's no little Son Jesus & Big Daddy GOD as Religion would have one believe. HE is ONE SPIRIT who operates in NUMEROUS "GLORIES" SIMULTANEOUSLY!
Right Hand=Righteousness not arms w/hand!
GOD created good & evil for HIS WILL to be accomp
Ivan you dont believe in the Author of the bible and whats good in it. So dont quote what you dont believe in. So far you been taking satans side and using a man made name L , sorry you can not fool people with this propaganda.
That's just what I've been trying to tell you K&T="propaganda!"
That JW belief have you believing JESUS is not the HOLY SPIRIT & will not "lead & guide" as HE SAID HE would!
You MUST be "born again" by being filled w/HIS HOLY SPIRIT so
"GOD created good & evil for HIS WILL to be accomp"
Yup, & its worked out quite well hasnt it..with the world being so screw'd up and all. So, I guess murder IS good since gods will is good and all things happening on earth is "gods will"....
No it isn't!
Man was given "dominion" on earth (Gen1:26) as long as it doesn't affect HIS WILL for HE is GOD!
Your kids affect your will; then what? You are parent (god)!
SAME WITH GOD!
Norine I am not taliking to you . Your name is not Ivan. I have nothing to say to you ,nore interested in what you are talking about.
I have asked you kindly before to stop talking to me. I FEEL THE SAME.! Stop!
You can't defend that "propaganda" when Scripture tells you to: I Pet 3:15 "...be ready to ALWAYS give an answer to EVERY man that asketh you a reason for the hope that is in you..."
Now, when were u filled w/the HOLY SPIRIT? if not, "propaganda!"
NW, No ones hope is being questioned but since your bible verse says you have hope that would imply that things may not be quite what you are told...but you keep up your hope, NW, as you definitely need it.
Ivan I am ready when you are post a statement you don't believe in regarding how it would effect you. I will listen and tell you how it will effect me and then we should be able to understand each other.
GOD is GOD who has the FINAL SAY SO!
At least I have "HOPE" but you have "NOTHING!"
Keep listening to "propaganda" & you will be just as LOST as she is!
We're just like Jesus: "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." We're born with our original eternal soul & NEW physical-based ego for duality & soul expansion. Ego pa
"IF" we "BELIEVE!"
Just as the light company (the source) provides electricity; it's up to us to "turn on the switch!"
HE (THE SOURCE) IS there "IF" we BELIEVE to "turn on the switch!"
No 'belief' in God is necessary. 'Good' is the only thing that God can create; and he does it THROUGH 'evil' or 'bad' situations we refer to as 'sin'. But sin has a PURPOSE to inspire GOOD - and good is our natural state of 'being like God'.
We agree! BELIEF is necessary! But belief is not as secular RELIGION defines but "obeying HIS commands" (Jn14:15)!
How can one "believe" if not (I Cor 10:21)? You can't believe "part!"
"Obey"LAST commandment(Acts1:4) & FAITH IN PROMISES=BELIEF!
U have a funny way of interpreting a sentence Norine, LoL! No belief in God is necessary for salvation; NOR is obedience necessary - actually it is IMPOSSIBLE for us to 'disobey' God or deviate from our soul. I bet that one throws you for a loop. ;)
Let u tell it, salvation is not necessary cuz EVERYONE is on their way to heaven(if it exists)!
Can't "deviate from our mind, will, emotions?" u have
We obey laws of land but GOD'S LAWS are not important? HE'S less than man? Not as important?
God's Universal laws are very important and include everyone - but most (not all) Christians insist that their version of their interpretation of the bible (which are many) is ALWAYS the correct one. Confusion, 'tests' & riddles are NOT 'of God'.
For the killzionth time, when are u going to believe me when I say "I DIDN'T dream this up or "interpret" what GOD told me (Jer 31:34) fm a "book" but what HE SAYS doesn't contradict Bible although has shown some portions tampered w/by man!
If *u* r anyone else call asking ppl to WAIT for HELP fm the HOLY SPIRIT before taking off like a man dragging a cow by the tail=a TRUNK in my eye; I have one! HOLY SPIRIT "lead" is the ONLY WAY to worship GOD (Jn4:23-24); the rest "propaganda!"
Neither you nor any religious fanatic 'dreams up' their own explanations. We R taught these 'versions' - and then we're taught how to 'prove' them & fight with each other & a disbelieving world over them - cuz its SO profitable to keep us div
How can we be "divided," IF "IN CHRIST" (aka "WAIT") who has "ONE MIND?" U can either obey HIS commands & find REAL TRUTH w/HIS "guidance" or "try to figure it out" & get HALF TRUTH w/*your* brain=LOST!
It's up to you!
I've already 'waited' & figured things out - along with many other Christians & exChristians who also know the info in my spotlight hub. I used to be you, Norine: that's why I can argue this stuff. You're going to have to read to try debunkin
IF *u* "figured it out" *u* didn't "WAIT"! How could u have been "just like me" when I BELIEVE *HE* "reveals" *ALL* truth whereas *u* study history to reveal SOME truth?
You're no better than the Romans giving HALF TRUTHS!
Until you figure out a way to actually debunk the Prayer of Mithras, the Imperial Cult & new controversy of Paul (unlikely, 'Paul beliefs' have seriously turned among Christians) - then you're just blowing kisses in the wind. )*(
One Sentence: GOD CREATED "ALL!"
Which includes the mess you're talking about too!
If they killed JESUS for Message, why do you think they wouldn't w/holding TRUTH to create LIES to debunk Message?
Use HIS POWER for TRUTH; not "research" LIES!
Srsly, I have no idea how come you have the best answer, when clearly your comment is twisted. People who wants to know the truth, let me know and I'll make an article on separate website, in order not to be flag here in HP.
Julie, I'm interested in *your* truth! Let me know when you've finished HUB! Email me @firstname.lastname@example.org to inform!
MF: Either one obeys to acquire HIS HELP or "research" LIES! GOD allowed LIES in Bible to TEST obedience("WAIT" for HELP)!
Julie, HP doesn't ban articles on religious controversy. Look at the title of my spotlight hub then go ahead & write your heart out! :) N, God gave 10coms in stone tablets TWICE 4 Jews; he DIDN'T create bible 300 yrs after J's death as a TEST!
NO! Man changed 300yrs after & inserted "some" LIES but ORIG MESSAGE didn't change! ALL (LIES too) "inspired by GOD" (ITim3:16) & HE allowed (TEST) to see if u would OBEY (Matt 13:10-13) by "WAITING" for THE HELP for "revelation" of THE TRUTH
Again, stone tablets TWICE to make sure Jews didn't miss out. God did NOT make things tricky, man did that later while trying to get a better grip of control on the world. Jesus' original, pre-State message was so much more powerful & simple.
It's "simple" & ALWAYS have been! "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve thru his subtily, so your minds should be corrupted FROM THE "SIMPLICITY" that is in Christ!"
IF HE "LEADS!"
Don't tell me WE DON'T NEED HIM bcuz we
Eve wasn't beguiled, she was enlightened. Rather than remain ignorant like you she chose to be knowledgeable. From that point on every effort has been made to make man seem less than what we are. What kind of god chastises people for understanding?
What "understanding?" ICor2:10-11
"But GOD has "revealed" them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searchest ALL THINGS, yea, the DEEP THINGS of GOD. For what man knoweth the thgs of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?..."
It really is easy as that - connect. But U insist God requires us to 'believe' in Him, first. HIM = soul/christos/KoG ALREADY WITHIN. Jesus was 'a Christ' who came to show humans that they were 'Christs', also - no need 4 pagan rituals: FREE!
How does one "CONNECT" w/o BELIEF? When you received "gift," you BELIEVED in your heart! You invited HIM in! Why are you telling others not to?
Why are you being sacrilegious? Why you don't want them to "CONNECT?"
Do you believe in FAITH?
I realize the way I explain things seems hard to grasp; and this is probably the main reason why Jesus' story was written the way it was - bcuz Roman leaders couldn't understand another message beyond a pagan one. My hub simplifies & explains.
It's not my intent to "grasp" ANYTHING man "researched!"
If not "Spirit" given from the WORD of GOD, not interested (I Cor 2:10-14)! Paganism "revealed!"
I'm sorry dear, but in order to insult me, I must first value your opinion. Nice try though!
You don't know my opinion enough to value it or not - you refuse to read it or consider it. THAT is why I (obviously) have absolutely no respect for your continued ignorance & insults. Its the only way you can respond. Your 'fruits' are rotten.
*YOUR* opinion;NOT GOD'S cuz "the foolishness of GOD is wiser than men" (ICor1&2) for HE "searcheth ALL THGS" which leaves urs 1/2 TRUTH at best!
"CONNECT" & "REST" in HIS PROMISES for "REAL TRUTH!"
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Our eternal soul is direct extention of Source of God - which is pure positive ENERGY & we return to our NATURAL STATE of BEING when we die to experience all we have 'expanded into' in this learning-world. Father God is BASELINE keeps souls SAFE.
Why worry about right or wrong if ALL "safe!" Why make any effort in righteousness? Does this make sense? Think about what you're saying!
You sound more & more like an Atheist! You've been LIED to so much, you DOUBT! I tell u to let HIM "guide
"Why worry about right or wrong if ALL "safe!" Why make any effort in righteousness?" EXACTLY! No need to worry cuz NO ONE is 'unrighteous' & all R safe. PLEASE don't ask me how/why again... Either do research, read my hub or remain ignorant.
Have u ever heard of "dung in; dung out?" Your HUB will NEVER supersede GOD'S "leadership & guidance into ALL truth!" hah!
You drink your own cool-aid it's to your destruction! LORD have mercy on u in the day of judgment!
Either in=NO WORRIE
"Have u ever heard of "dung in; dung out?" You would know all about that, Norine. You're one of the most harmful 'Christians' I've known, even other C's are not safe from you. I appreciate all the ways you help show how deceived Christians are.
IF u call telling C's to "HUMBLE THEMSELVES," "SEEK HIM FIRST" ("born again") for "leadership&guidance" is "dung," AGAIN: "You Blaspheme!"
You need to STOP CAT because you WILL "Stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ!"
Nope & unfortunately you won't be judged, either. Those aren't the things that make your C-beliefs wonky - its insisting J was a blood sacrifice for your sins & we MUST believe it - when he was showing peeps HOW to be FREE from THAT pagan bel
WELL, Scripture didn't LOSE THE MESSAGE did IT? We are FREE from "pagan mess" & MORE! So BELIEVING WORD gets the Message across doesn't it? Whether there's a hell or judgment is then IRRELEVANT but still secure from ANYTHING aren't we? WORD=TR
'WORD' IS TRUTH - but 'bible' is NOT WORD, you KNOW this; and I've proven over & over & OVER again in here WHY it is neither 'Word' nor 'Spirit' NOR 'God'. You have embraced the deceptive perspective & refuse to open your mind to the PROV
Bible IS "TRUTH" entwined in untruths which NO ONE can "figure out" (u 2) w/o "HUMBLING THEMSELVES" & "WAITING" for HELP fm HOLY SPIRIT! Why "RE-CONNECTION" is IMPERATIVE!
Jn16:15 "ALL THINGS...will be shown unto you!"
You DENY WORD!
You're wrong. Don't B afraid, Norine. Fear keeps U in bondage 2 this harmful belief system. Its not logical 4 humans 2 not B able 2 NATURALLY connect with God ourselves since we R natural offspring. Sin & redemption R pagan concepts WAY b4 Jesus.
So now-NO CREATION or Adam & Eve? NO "forbidden tree?" Man didn't fall? NO lineage of Christ? No Prophets? No NOTHING? Another 'creation' story? What?
Ur belief;U fear I don't (Rm3:22)!
NOTHING is/was "way before JESUS" (Rev1:8;Jn17:5)!
The story applies thru metaphor: Adam & Eve 'falling' is when humans began to incarnate as 'dual beings' - with an eternal soul 'in God's image' & physical body w/ ego. Duality CAUSES expansion of EACH single SOUL & the ONE SPIRIT.
" Duality CAUSES expansion of EACH single SOUL & the ONE SPIRIT."
U meant or one of the spirits(IJn4:1); either righteous (BELIEF) or unrighteousness (UNBELIEF)?
Nope, its just like I said, Norine. There is only one Spirit and you already know that part. 'Duality' means that we incarnate (as Jesus did) with both an eternal soul that we ALREADY possess; and a human ego that falls away when we die.
There is ONE SPIRIT of "Righteousness!" Yet MANY "demonic!" "Test the spirits to see which 'ONE' is of GOD..." (IJn4:1) or u don't believe in "false prophets" (which seems to be the basis of your HUB) either?
I SAY LET GOD "lead!"
Only ONE SPIRIT: sin is not rebellion, its confusion & a learning tool 4 souls. Is 45:7 YUGE difference! Spirit DOES lead! I keep telling U there R TWO versions of Christianity now for a reason: FINALLY able to back His TRUTH up with SCIENCE!
Sin is "human nature" (Eph2:3) obtained fm 'fall! '
Is 8:20 "NO LIGHT (O/S WORD) in them!"
There ARE NOT "TWO versions of Christianity!" Man-made ANOTHER gospel which includes "Science!" What is GREATER; Science or GOD?
NOPE again! Science is proving ANCIENT spiritual messages previous to Jesus (which also happen to be the ones he originally taught 2 FREE pagans). The whole wide world makes perfect sense from EVERY single direction & U don't know it, yet. :)
NOPE! U don't know yet that YOU ARE NOT GOD!
"I AM" the VINE; ye are the branches.(v4) "Abide in me & I in u. As the branch can't bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the VINE; NO MORE CAN YE..." (Jn15:1;4)
You THINK u the VINE!
U don't know that U ARE GOD, yet! Think! WHEN R the branches EVER separated from the vine? Where does the vine 'end' & the branch 'begin'? It doesn't, we R DIRECT CHILDREN of God BORN with COMPLETELY CONNECTED KoG within. Human lies say otherwise
"Branches" fall off all the time in my yard! 1 fell on roof & ins claim! God will give you over to a reprobate mind for UNBELIEF! Didn't HE "curse the fig tree" for not producing? STOP! We have to SEEK! "shall not enter the KoG" n WORD+X's (Goog
But if we are not saved by good works, then we cannot cheapen his death by continueing to sin. By definition, we're imperfect, but our Father loves us anyway.....
Kane, "We are saved by grace; not by works." "Faith without works is dead." Lets not lump them together.
to Catherine Kane- if we continue to sin after accepting Jesus as saviour, and not repent we are mocking His sacrifice.
"I do not frustrate the Grace of God, for if righteousness come by the law then Christ died IN VAIN." Gal.2:21
Kane, we are under grace now; so, we experience God's permissive will. I think you are feeling this rather than God's perfect Will Who shall make the final eternal judgment. Jesus is His standard.
I find it interesting that Jesus claimed divinity in that he was God, yet in Matthew 27:45-46 we see he is not. Further - god created the rules to this whole game and therefor he can change them.....he could say jump on one foot for 3 hours saves you
jlcustompc, Jesus was man and divine. He testified of God's Truth as a man for our sake. Jesus is in the image of God. Jesus' divine person speaks as God to man; creating duelist. Yes, God can change the rules at any moment, but what's His Promises?
wilmiers77 -- I believe if I follow a rainbow I will find a leprechaun and his pot of gold. Now prove me wrong......it's the same concept as your "divine book and it's god/jesus". Atheist don't believe because unicorns are not real either.
jlcustompc, atheist only believe what they can sense or prove while hypotheis' and theories are coming into reality as a principle all the time. This would make atheist always behind the times. God's Holy Spirit tells of things to come.
wilmiers77, LOL god holy spirit? Prove it. Behind the times lol lol lol if the bible and god were a well of future knowledge then why are we just now modern? lol wealth of knowledge from the bible and god lol lol lol holy spirit pffft
You have evidenced that you know not God; thereby, nothing of God. Can't help you; you must experience for self.
See here is the thing if I say I believe in unicorns that I believe that my faith in them gives me insight into the world only one can know by believing in unicorns. You do not have to provide evidence as to why you do not believe.
So now Norine you you support King James sin of deleting the most wonderful name in all creation. JEHOVAH! I am very sure that is a judgment against KJ and any supporters.
A real world scenario. There are people living all over the world that are never introduced to the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit due to circumstances far beyond their control. Would God condemn His children because of the geography he created them in?
READ II Kgs17:29-41!
Matt 24:14 "And THIS GOSPEL of the kingdom shall be preached in ALL the world for a witness unto ALL nations; & then shall the end come."
Technology is doing just that!
K&T:"I AM" same as JEHOVAH:IS,WAS&
Ivan these foreign gods symbolize his enemies satan and his demons, yes you would be hurt too, so that scripture was a warning to what could happen, if he walk away from them as their protector, satan would attack them for worshipping Jehovah.
Why does ur NWT say "...gave him the name that is above every other name,+ 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend.."(Phil2:9-10)? Why did JEHOVAH give HIM a NAME "ABOVE EVERY NAME" if not GOD when HE said "I AM & there's NO OTHER
Yea your AAA classes you proudly admitted. You. Attend.
Did you slip up forgot you posted it I got a copy.
I have preached @ AA & prisons so I guess I'm an inmate too? U are SICK! ALWAYS trying to DEFRAUD truth as Scribes & Pharisees! JESUS "hung out" w/sinners too but I guess that's BENEATH *you*?
Don't know JESUS & don't care!
My life and my future is not based on Norine
she is all about her as she says care about know one as stated today. True ! She wants to be heard but don't practice what she rants about. I am talking to you !
Why are you throwing your future life
Your "life & future" is not based on HIS WORD either IF you DON'T BELIEVE HE WILL DO WHAT HE SAYS HE WILL DO & that is "lead & guide us into ALL truth" (Jn14:26)!
That leaves you just like him; an UNBELIEVER!
You keep using the KJ as though Jesus talked KJ ,No he talked Hebrew or Greek.
KJ English is not even our spoken English of today. But you condemn what you yourself are limited in .
You don't know Hebrew or Greek so you can not judge .
You don't know HOLY SPIRIT (aka JESUS) who made ALL men understand SAME LANGUAGE in Acts 2:8!
What did they do BEFORE "Bible?" They were "WITH ONE ACCORD" - Why?
U "IGNORANT" - ""FOOL!"
That "cult" has u thinking "intelligence"(hah=dung)rules!
Why some dogmatic Christians devalue intelligence is CRAZY! Why would God give us a brain? Why not just create a bunch of mindless followers from stones as Jesus suggested? Bible is not your friend when you can't discern man from God within.
Because THE CREATOR doesn't need *your* help!
Acts 17:25 "Neither is worshiped with man's hands (nor brain;ICor1:25;3:19), AS THOUGH HE NEEDED ANY THING, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, & ALL things."
Does this answer your Q?
No. You keep quoting from that book that tells you that you don't need a brain - and yet, I'm pretty sure you know that God specifically created us with them for good reasons. It certainly wasn't for ancient pagans to enslave us indefinitely.
HE gave it to us to "choose" HIM afterwards HE becomes "THE DRIVER" not *you!* When *you* drive, HE gets out & let *you* wreck your STUPID a** by using *your* brain!
Am I speaking your language? Do you understand now?
One's "brain"=worst TES
GOD created brain to "choose" HIM afterward HE'S in control vs *your* brain! The brain is man's hardest TEST ("Humble yourself")! Why Peter sunk; he used "brain!" It's BY FAITH we labor to "REST" in HIS WORD (aka PROMISES)! I pray!
Jesus didn't cause Peter to walk on water - it was thru his own 'christos within belief' thru watching Jesus; and then he sunk bcuz his attention diverted to the raging sea. He became afraid & lost his 'belief'. Jesus was just his teacher, showin
AMEN! "Became afraid"=USED BRAIN!
There's NO FEAR when you BELIEVE what GOD SAID!
We DO have SAME POWER as Christ "IF" we ONLY BELIEVE! How do you think I use HIS AUTHORITY given by BELIEVING to heal, lay hands,ANYTHING? "BELIEF" not "research"
Self always refuse to accept "We are saved by grace; not by works."; All humans are imperfect. Jesus is the only one who present you perfect before God. God demands perfection. All of self works are like dung to God and Jesus says I know you not.
Please see Matthew 5 verse 34. It's too long to paste in here, but it ends "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." Doesn't sound as if He was saying works are dung.
Bolero, the time of grace has ended at final judgement. The standard by which God shall judge is JESUS. Self works and In The Name Of Jesus works are not in the same identical spirit. Appears that God says"Don't bring your dung in my perfect heaven."
Wilmiers, with the greatest respect, where exactly in the Bible does God say that? I can't say I have read the entire Bible, but I don't remember Him ever mentioning dung. On the other hand, Jesus does tell the parable of the Talents.
Bolero, Philippians 3:8
"... all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ."
"Parable of the talents", This refer to the developing of our faith in God and evangelizing.
I did state "God appears to say..." which is my conjecture.
I'm not a Bible thumper, so I can't speak to what it says. As human beings, I believe it is important for us to use our freewill and our ability to think for ourselves. Be good to others, and you will be fine in the next realm, whatevery that may be
wilmiers, your quote is from Paul, not from God. He is saying he does not value things like wealth, for instance, compared to his relationship with Christ. Nowhere does God say good deeds are dung.
Donnah, The Lord says "Don't rely on your own understanding.."; manifested examples behind this truth I have not enough space to explain. I interject one thought:no one has ever solely done all of their thinking or we would be in the stone age today
wilmiers:I don't need you to explain. I can think for myself. You clearly can't accept that some people see the world from a different perspective. I can't imagine living my life brainwashed by religious zealots. Let us agree to disagree. The end.
Donnah, I study the Word of God for myself as all should. I pray on anything or word that anyone tells me is the Word of God. I do not lean on my own understanding. The world is even to large for any one person to comprehend, not to mention God.
What a great man that priest was! Regardless of what faith a person professes, it's easy to recognize Christ-like love when you see it, huh?
Lane, this is true, but lets not lose sight of "Jesus called by another name" and recog attributes of Jesus because only the spirit of Jesus can present you perfect before the Father. God demands perfection,and only Jesus is perfect. Not any of us!
Wilmiers, the tone of many of your assertions suggests that you think your beliefs and interpretations of scripture are the only truth. That's another way of claiming perfection, isn't it?
Lane, I am proclaiming that God is perfect. There is no wishey-washey when it comes to an Obsolute. No two can be both right if obsolute. Sorry. Read the scriptures for your self.
anything a catholic priest says cannot be takscriptural because catholicism is not a Christian religion, they worship many things other than Christ. They commit necromancy with their worship of dead "saints" etc
I feel pretty much the same as this man. I commented later, and pretty much re-iterated what you said here. To Willmiers77 I can only say this. To you and all people who discriminate against others who believe differently, you shall also be judged
you are right whatever they call the God isn't matter actually the matter would be they have the faith on one god
Also the word omnipresent is not a biblical word used by God or Jesus .but a human belief and doctrin of men. Jesus never said he was omnipresent, or the Heavenly Father
What bible and scripture use the word exactly prove it?
Norine God created Angels before he did humans ,he does not have to speak to himself, there are Myriads of Angels.
The very first made was Micheal the Archangel.
Re 5:11And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne
HE doesn't have to BUT HE DID! Gen 22:16 "And by MYSELF have I sworn, saith the LORD..." You see GOD is A SPIRIT w/TRILLIONS+++ (we can't count) of "GLORIES" not just 2 or 3 as Trinity & "spin offs" believe!
DON'T LIMIT GOD!
No Norine it does not use that pacific word humans use it to mean what they want it to say. Besides you should know that is not what it would also say in Hebrew and Greek
The does not exist there either.
What kind of "god" do you worship that is not ALL KNOWING; ALL SEEING; and ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE w/HIM?
No wonder you're "confused!"
DON'T LIMIT "THE CREATOR" (aka GOD)!
Talk to u later! Have business!
Email me anytime!
Also Norine if HP came and removed your name from you written Hubs how would you feel? Well I don't think you would like it at all. So here is a man that takes the Hebrew and Greek and translate his own bias opinions and then remove the Author
Girl I don't care if they "delete" *my* name; just don't "delete" HIS WORD! I'm NOTHING but THE MESSAGE is EVERYTHING!
Why NWT say Phil2:10 "At the Name of JESUS (Not JEHOVAH) every knee should bend..?"
Norine do you know what the name of Jesus is !
In Hebrew it means Who is like Jehovah!
That's what his name means so it's no way you can erase that name You are worshipping Jesus he never said do that .
What did an Angel say about
Yup! Human error!
JESUS = "GOD SAVES" in ANY LANGUAGE!
I guess NWT'S Phil 2:10 LIED! Now what are JW'S going to do about "bending their knees" to the Name of JESUS vs JEHOVAH (Phil2:10)?
Norine use the Hebrew and Greek meaning as references then return with a valid point.
This is a old phone book with missing pages and you are arguing saying my phone is wrong because the pages all there. Stop being in raged over the bible .
You're "enraged over Bible!" Let me tell u 1 MORE X!
I have a DIRECT "Connection" to JEHOVAH (aka GOD/JESUS++++infinite) who "leads & guides" me not a book!
I " WAITED" Acts 1:4 for the "guidance" Jn14:26 fm HIM as Jer31:34 says!
earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. Also at Mt 28:19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, Holy Ghost,
And Jesus says he is with us! This is true we Go!
You "go" w/o the baptism of the Holy Spirit (Acts19:2) it is "you" going and not JESUS! Do JW'S even believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit? Sounds like NO! They think they can do it themselves like MOST missing "revelation" of TRUTH in HIS WORD!
The reason why there is still doubt in the world concerning ANY God or religion is that people were here long before any Gods showed up, we managed then, we manage now. Put Gods ultimatums in the picture and things get real clear real quick.
Just what are "God's ultimatums" Ivan?
Lev 26: 27And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins;29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons..
HE being "OUR HEAVENLY FATHER" shouldn't "chastise us?"
There should be no "chastisement" for disobedience?
There is with our "earthly fathers" why do you think there should be a difference (Heb12:8-9)?
"HE being "OUR HEAVENLY FATHER" shouldn't "chastise us?"
You think being made to eat your children is chastisement? Wow! No wonder it's so easy for you to hate. You seem to worship a god that would make you a cannibal.
Norine anyone to you that does not agree with you is lying.
First you are blinded to King James errors and omissions, thats lies you believe. You keep stating the cross thats a lie , that a pagan symbol.
You want to apply judgment start with you.
Ivan, let me tell u something! When Bible speaks it speaks of "Spiritual" things not physical (Allegories, metaphors, parables, illustrations)! There's no "cannibalism" in Scripture! Lev telling "You'll cause son to die "spiritually" not eat litera
NW, let me tell YOU smtng
New International Virsion Bible-
Lev 26: 28 then in my anger I will be hostile toward you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over. 29 You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters.
Ivan you would be hurt, and you would feel they used me ,also they did not keep their contract a covenant they promised to be his people and no other. When you vow and promise you pay. They renig on many promises. And they worshiped foreign gods
Allegory of things to come (OT) n NEW TESTAMENT! Disobedient parents to GOD raise disobedient children to GOD for children live by example! Disobedient parents cause kids to suffer;hence Lev 26:27!
"THE LTR (literal reading) KILLETH" (2Cor3:6)!
NW said: children live by example!
If thats true then this disobedient world we live in is simply man emulating god...it's father as such we're living by example.
Ivan you are attributing wrong doing to the wrong god, satan is the god of this world , and people are reflecting this god is True ! Adam and Eve had it all and a Jelouse angel came and decieve them from their Father.
Thats your belief but its not everyones. Besides, what does that have to do with gods malevolent disposition? The 1st thing he did when he came before the people was kill 150 of them just to show he was in charge, not to mention the Jericho massacre
Ivan you sound like satans spokesman being a sore loser, yes satan has lost his battles, and he will lose the greatest, standing up for him won't change things
Neither will it spare your life. HE killed Adam and Eve, and those who listen to him
It depends on who "your father" is (Jn8:44)!
GOD is GOD - "THE CREATOR!"
READ Romans 1:18-32 wherein lies YOU!
BUT "His hand is still stretched out" (Isaiah)!
Norine do you hear your self if my brain is washed then yours is dirty.
That means its a good thing ! So thank you for that compliment ! Are you taking your treatments becuse you are on this attack mode again ! I pray for you.
I'm not attacking "you"(physical) K&T but your "belief" (spirit)! How can one KNOW JESUS who isn't "born again" (Jn3:7) by "WAITING" (Acts1:4) on the "POWER" (Acts1:8) of the HOLY SPIRIT? JW'S don't believe JESUS although stated in NWT (Jn14:26)!
You are not physically able true ! But you come o. Hp to fight with people about the bible.Its not good.
We are blessed with life our Heavenly Father is important We want to help people understand why we love him.
Not give them a reason to run from
I didn't "come on HP" Didn't know it existed! GOD SENT ME! Maybe to CORRECT u; I don't know! I just do as "commanded!"
K&T that "man" has DECEIVED YOU! GOD IS "ONE" SPIRIT who changes fm "glory to glory" as we do (IICor3:18)!
Norine you are totally acting the same way. How many people have told you this and you come on and continue your negative actions here on HP.
Numerous people have this experience with you but you keep at it .
Let me tell YOU 1 MORE X! I don't care about people as u do, I care about their "souls!" THIS IS AN "ALL SPIRITUAL" journey! U think about WRONG things ("carnal")! That's what happens when 1 DOESN'T BELIEVE the HOLY SPIRIT will "lead&guide!"
Ivan you can only go right or left, that's a choice you can not do both at the same time any way. So you do not speak logic.
Like a car I say go left to get to the gas station and you rebel and go right where there is no station and run out of gas.
You are "out of gas" when you DON'T BELIEVE "JESUS" (aka HOLY SPIRIT; "IN MY NAME;" Jn14:26) has the "POWER" (Acts1:8) to "lead & guide us!"
K&T, not only can we go left&right equally but thats what was intended. We have left,right,back&foward. Left being evil right being good. Without good there is no evil, so we're trapped& it all started in the past(back). The only way
"The blind leading the blind & they'll BOTH fall in the ditch" (Matt15:14)!
Again Norine this question is not about me answering you, it's the question that you need to provide truth in what you say.
So quit twisting a question to me.
I already answered.
This Question is MT.Dreamers not yours .
I'd rather take my chances with falling in the ditch than allow myself to be led to the slaughter. When the so-called jesus returns everybody will see they've been lied to.
Also why do you think there are chances !
Its either right or wrong ,simple. No one is forced to belive anything ,you already live what you believe. That's all to it.
K&T: That "cult" has u DEFYING I Pet 3:15! "ANSWER "EVERY MAN!" Why don't u? If not, u believe man rather than GOD! Keep DEFYING! II Thess 2:3-12!
Ivan: Either way - "you loose!" Why not "GO TO GOD" (aka WORD) for TRUTH?
if anyone has lost it's people like you, norine. you spend your life doing exactly what the bible says dont do...you're mean and evil and you don't mind showing it in your comments. if there is a hell, tell the devil i said hey when u get there!
You thought your mama was "mean & evil" for telling TRUTH too huh?
People are going to be shocked to see who makes it in & who doesn't!
Come Lord Jesus!
you simply proved my point as expected. it's pretty obvious your 'mama' did a poor job with you. and the hell thing, don't worry you're not going there...because just like your god, it doesn't exist. lucky you!
I wonder if your mom taught u there is no GOD or did u take it upon your "smart" little self to fulfill Scripture, e.g "disobedient to parents" (2Tim3:2)!
You're going to be SHOCKED!
i took it upon my smart little self. that's the difference between you and i, i'm smart and use common sense, you are not smart and believe in fantasy.the one thing we have in common is when we're dead we're dead. youll be in the ground just like me.
When a robot becomes "smarter" than the creator, what?
Yes our "flesh" will be "in the ground" but what about our spirits (aka conscience to unblvrs) which u call "fantasy" that NEVER DIES?
You're going to be SHOCKED!
Norine have you yet provided the original text of Hebrew and Greek translations to compare your statements to prover your comment. No ! So again you use a faulty translation to say what has been deleted.
Again kJ of 1600 has over 7000 deletions.
K&T: U're not even a Christian & blv "Heb/Greek" over JESUS! The HOLY SPIRIT "IS" JESUS ("IN MY NAME") who "leads & guides"(Jn14:26)
Don't u see how HE made ALL understand SAME LANGUAGE in Acts 2:8?
U "FOOL" blving that "man" (cult) ov
"Spirit of Spirit, if it be your will, give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again - and the sacred spirit may breathe in me." A prayer to Mithras, a 'savior' worshipped by Romans whose message was meshed with Jesus to unify.
For the killionzeth time I ask, DOES GOD NEED *YOUR* help?
Read Acts 17:25 AGAIN! HE doesn't NEED *your* brain or ANYTHING else!
U & *your* research is "foolishness to GOD" (Is55:8) especially when HE told u to "WAIT" (Acts1:4) for HIS (ALON
Wow, that hit a nerve, huh? Its a pretty recognizable prayer, isn't it Norine? It is the reason why your bible was written the way it was - so that you would not search beyond it or use your brain - cuz, LOOK what you might discover...
What BOSS would want *you* to take over *his* company! Stop being IGNORANT! We're talking GOD! "Humble" yourself CAT! You're tripping! I've got "Connection Line" now! You worry about "book!" HE "discovers" more than what's in "book!"
No it was written that way so man can learn who's in charge! Man needs to "Let go & Let GOD" or stop using their worst enemy (the brain) & allow HOLY SPIRIT do what HE SAID HE would do("lead&guide)! If u don't BELIEVE; NOT CHRIST! REST(H
slave owners told their slaves the same thing; don't think and don't use your brain. the similarities between what you say about how to be 'spiritual' and what the slave owners said about how to be a good slave are the same.
But slaves had/have something slave owners couldn't take away; the Holy Spirit! We believed (& still do) "the last will be first & the first last" while u all struggle to get to the top!
He "leads & guides" MOST of us!
IVAN: "For ye see your calling, brethren, how that NOT MANY wise men after the flesh, NOT MANY might, NOT MAY noble, are CALLED; But GOD hath chosen the foolish thgs of the world to confound the wise & GOD hath chose the weak thgs of the world..
Its sad & scary that Christians believe their brain is irrelevant. Its called brainwashing. Mithras: "Spirit of Spirit, if it be your will, give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again - and the sacred spirit may breathe in me."
Sure "it's sad" to those who think they are smarter than GOD but *HE* SAID *HE* would "lead &guide us into *ALL* TRUTH" & either u BELIEVE or not! As u invented robot, u want him to rely on u; if he acquired mind of own; u would reprgrm or de
You don't think that God might be utilizing his Spirit to reveal these things to MANY Christians NOW that they can see it & realize the lies to be SET FREE as was Jesus' original intent? Where did that prayer come from, Norine? WHY is it familiar
U "FOOL!" Can't u (as K&T) see them in Acts 2:8 understanding SAME lang fm other countries? Why doesn't HE still have POWER to "reveal" additions & r deletions made by man? Is HE now POWERLESS? Is HE not "GOD?" Does HE need *your* help (Acts1
so that's what god is doing, norine? 'reprogramming' us? so i guess all that 'free will' stuff was just one more lie.
HE didn't write that brainwashing book you keep referring to. There is one Spirit, as you know, and we are all expressions of it - most of us unknowingly. This is what Jesus taught, the KoG is WITHIN us ALL - no pagan 'deliverance' required. FREE!
Ivan: Sure isn't a LIE! Look @ u!
MF: I don't care who wrote it "IT WAS INSPIRED BY GOD" & It does what It PROMISES!"Deliverance' required or not, show "GRATITUDE" toward HIM for DYING!Do as HE "commands" to reap benefits & won't matter if
Stop turning into such a biotch when you can't think of a real comeback, N. Look at YOU! If The Bible was inspired by God, then he must have also been the same inspiration for the Prayer of Mithras since its an identical spiritual belief system...
OK! So u say they copied fm another 'savior' yet u say Jesus did existed but dlvr'd msg that KoG in ALL whether u believe or not? Then why unrighteousness? KoG wouldn't allow unrighteousness! Explain!
I explain details in my hub, this is the place we always get stuck bcuz you refuse to read it so you know what I'm talking about. J IS GOD who taught pagan people that they did not need pagan rituals for salvation: NOT that he would die for sins.
I don't care who did WHAT; JESUS DIED & I'm succeeding IN CHRIST & NOTHING can make me doubt *HIM,* not a book, not who did what but HOW HE FULFILLS HIS PROMISES in the book! Lies maybe scattered w/in, but *HE* "reveals" as HE PROMISED! I've
Read my HUB "The FIRST & LAST Commandments!" Start showing some LOVE for HIM by "Humbling yourself" & obeying HIS commandments! You ever heard the song "I surrender a *ALL?* You need to "Let Go & Let GOD!" That "brain" is going to KILL
J did die, yes. But WHERE did the prayer of Mithras HEAVILY worshipped by Romans (along with the Imperical Cult) come from? WHY is there no 'sinner prayer' written down - yet Jews got stone tablets TWICE? J's real message is SO MUCH MORE powerful.
For the KILLZIONTH TIME, "Who cares?" They DID NOT & CAN NOT change HIS basic MESSAGE; "CONNECT TO HIS SPIRIT" for "GUIDANCE!" I'm living "proof!" GOD wouldn't allow HIS MESSAGE to "change!" If 1 BELIEVES HIS PROMISES & HAVE FAITH; HE WILL
Who cares?! Its a pretty big question that U can't answer. God OBVIOUSLY allowed his message to be altered in The Bible, probably bcuz it was the only way to cause the spiritual expansion of mankind since they couldn't 'get' the real message, yet.
It's not enough rm here! I keep trying to have an intelligent conversation w/u but u DELETE! We're saying SAME THING but *u* "lead & guide" & DEFY HIM(Jn14:26)! We KNOW "tampered/w" BUT *HE* allowed so *HE*would"reveal!" Create "forum" PLEASE
No, you're not trying to have an intelligent conversation with me. If you were, you would actually READ my hub and respond AFTER. Many C-beliefs are changing, not just mine. You can barely process this Mithras prayer question much less answer it.
It doesn't matter if there "no sin" for 'salvation,' that's EXACTLY what New Covenant says Jer 31:33-34 "I will remember their (BELIEVERS) sins no more!" We're saying SAME! "No sin" for BELIEVERS!
HIS Message IS NOT going to be LOST - no matter!
'no sin for believers'? so if I do your jesus thing with what I believe, then I can do anything I want? I mean "no sin" means "no sin", right?
p r o p a g a n d a so thick you can cut it with a knife.
U "MUST" WAIT for the anointing of the HOLY SPIRIT (Acts1:4; came Acts2:2) or "be born again"(Jn3:7)to become "IN CHRIST" then your spirit is holy but you continue to drop of sins or "chg fm glory to glory" (IICor3:18) into HIS likeness!
Not saying same, *I* am saying there R NO SINS that need to be forgiven. Our eternal soul is natural extention of 'Source', an umbilical cord. We're God's REAL kids JUST like J & not 'adopted'. When have you EVER made your kids 'believe in' you?!
Everytime they went AGAINST my commandments I'd whip that butt the way GOD is going to whip yours!
Why would u want to go against the CREATOR "leading & guiding" u into ALL truth vs *u* "leading & guiding?"
I'm not going against the Creator. You have too much sand in eyes & ears: can't see or hear. Disciplining kids for disobedience is not the same as forcing them to 'believe in' U or something you've done for them. Only reason: control thru fear.
U go against the ENTIRE NEW COVENANT (ALL SPIRITUAL;Rm8:8) using *your* brain! U "DEFY GOD" doing HIS JOB! What 'ulterior motive' do u have for taking over HIS JOB? U've taken over 'the company!' Is there a reward fm GOD when u see HIM?
Excellent answer, Catherine. I thought I was the only one to see the fear factor. As for covenants, they're supposed to be mutual not one side forcing itself on the others with dire consequences for those who fail to comply, thats an ultimatum.
"FEAR FACTOR?" IGNORANT FOOLS! IICor3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, THERE IS LIBERTY!"
Fear of what? Catherine thinks we are still under Old Covenant from Catholic "teachings!"
It's a New Day w/a NC!
No, that's what you are assuming for some strange reason, Norine. I've been Catholic, Baptist, Protestant & Pentecostal - NONE of them believe like I do; although some of their followers do. :) Great point, Ivan - covenants R not coercion.
Well if you've received TRUTH fm GOD, u know Paul was walking "in Christ's Stead"(IICor5:20) & spoke for JESUS! Where does Paul say we're in bondage, fear, not free, we are 'sinful', all of what you say we've been made to believe?
Think and see...If you're told, by covenant or otherwise, to do as you're told or go to hell, that induces fear. If you accept that ultimatum you now live in bondage to it. If you are bound you are not free. What dont you understand about it?
I guess for o/s'ers it is "fear!"
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance..." (Gal5:22-23)!
Where is "FEAR?"
Come on in "The Water is FINE!"
That's Y I've told you, 'Your fruits R rotten, Norine." You NEVER resemble ANY of those fruits in here. Since U hate Catholics, would U trust a message from Martin Luther King, Jr? http://tinyurl.com/MLKjrStudy He STUDIED and KNEW about Mithras.
Who's MLK,Jr="MAN!" I don't BELIEVE "any man" who thinks GOD wasn't FIRST! Now I BELIEVE "man" w/held TRUTH to make his "story" appear true!
NO ONE can "figure out" w/o SUPERNATURAL HELP cuz LIES are entwined with TRUTH in Bible!
PAGAN lies R entwined with truth - the same MITHRAS, ADONIS, IMPERIAL CULT beliefs that Jesus was here to CORRECT by showing people pagan 'salvation rituals' WERE unneeded, harmful lies. We're just like him, NO 'salvation' needed. UNBOUND SOULS!
TRUE! Read my response to Lawrence's "John-The Beloved-Pt3!" FREE fm "rituals"(Acts 17:23-25)! FREE fm "The Law"(Rm3:24;28)! FREE! JESUS' MESSAGE was "GRACE" & HE "remembers our sins NO MORE" (Jer31:34;Heb8:12)!
I keep asking "What "fea
No Norine, being REQUIRED to 'believe in' something under the THREAT of 'going to hell' is COERCION & definitely NOT a mutual covenant of free will. Covenant with Abraham was MUTUAL. Why is a 'belief' now required? 1 reason: control thru fear.
How can you speak of THE FATHER OF FAITH (Abraham) & UNBELIEF in the same sentence? The man TESTED by GOD to "kill his son?" That didn't take BELIEF(aka FAITH)? One has to BELIEVE to have FAITH in ANYTHING!
Disciples like JESUS(KoG) before cros
You have a misconception about life. The body returns to dust, but the spirit lives on.
I am sorry, but your morally correct friends has a fallacy. Their morals can be scrutinized and found to be controversial for they are relative; not absolute.
Borsia, Your last statement is so true! "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein
Peeples, we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. One who has found Jesus lives in and on love. Punishment and reward is not an issue.
Then there should be no talks of heaven or hell. When it comes down to it the majority of religions use threats to gain followers. "If you don't believe you will burn forever" Sounds like living for a reward to avoid a punishment to me.
Wil; "I am sorry, but your morally correct friends has a fallacy. Their morals can be scrutinized and found to be controversial for they are relative; not absolute" ??
Since when is being a good person, honest, helpful to others,etc relitive?
Borsia, Yes, but we are attempting, as unperfect as all is, seeking the Absolute. Others are only going thru changes.
"When have...relative" all the days of your life.
Peeples, I joined my Hare Krishna friends because we do not believe that if you do not believe Krishna is God you will burn in hell forever. This eternal torture idea is what drove me aways from other traditions. Love all living beings is the "word"
Darrell Roberts, religions are not bad themselves, only problem is that people assume,"Go straight ", written in book as simply to tread the path in a direct line and not as " to lead a decent life". Am I wrong ?
Micheal remember the crime that Jesus talk to as they hang on the stake. Jesus knew was not educated about the truth and pure worship. But Jesus reconized his heart condition and said !Lu 23:43And he said to him: “
YES! GOD"have mercy on whom HE pleases"(Rm9:15) but when TRUTH is brought to 1 & they don't BELIEVE; there is no mercy (Heb10:26)! JESUS was TRUTH in Lk! "For if we sin willfully after ye have received the knowledge of the TRUTH..no more sacrifi
Norine our website is open to the public we go to your houses with Good News of Jesus Administration, he is our anoited King picked by Jehovah. And the preaching work is coming to an end. GO see the work we do all over the world over 8 million
"Over 8 million" lost souls believing Jesus is NOT GOD when Scripture says there is ONE SPIRIT! If GOD says ONE GOD/ONE SPIRIT & Jesus "sitting on throne" where is GOD? "Picked by Jehovah?" Why does ITim3:15-16say "GOD manifested HIMSELF in fles
Ivan my last words to you , The Father created life, in Angel and man, precious is life he could replace everyone including you, but jelouse satan wants to take your rights away as others.
What God makes he owns its his to do as pleases , so stop
Again, those are your beliefs. And god didnt create anything, stardust, water and electricity did. And no, he cant replace me anymore than he can replace you. The world isnt the way it is because it lacks god, its the way it is because of god. G'nite
Ivan you have said nothing to convence me it's the right way to think ! Instead you have more convence me I have the right choice.
All your answers come to a dead end as you admit. This is possible if you belive it so it can be.
OH! So man was "farted from stars?" Where did stars come from?
You are FUNNY! lol
No its time I completly ignore you for good. I try to be tolerent of your nasty words and actions as you hide behind. The bible. But you are just out of control.
I will recomend a total seperation of our paths. Take care of you Acolholic problem
Is 5:20 "Woe until them that call evil good & good evil" but that's what happens when 1 didn't WAIT for HELP (Discernment of spirits) from the HOLY SPIRIT whom that "man" have u believing HE doesn't "lead & guide!"
"Alcohol?" Acts 2:13!
"Is 5:20 "Woe until them that call evil good & good evil"
is murdering entire cities for their land good? I know "god" thinks its good but I want to know what sensible people think.
Is "murdering" your IGNORANCE via education "good!" NOPE! It was to get "your will" accomplished (& not telling what else you've done & u aren't GOD)!
GOD is GOD not a man & has COMPLETE CONTROL if HE WILLS!
Don't get in HIS WAY jr (Rm
"Is 5:20 "Woe until them that call evil good & good evil"
Is murdering entire cities for their land evil or good? god thinks its good but I'm curious about what sensible intelligent people think.
GOD wanted to show ALL; HE'S GOD; not u & will do ANYTHING to get HIS WILL accomplished!
Ivan throwing you future life away !
You desire to live here on earth. I am sure there are some things about life you love.
So why just throw in the can ,because that's exactly what satan works hard to do.he is doomed no hope. You are doing this t
You preach to yourself K&T!
You believe no HOLY SPIRIT that "leads & guides us" so you will NEVER have a "connection" to HIM or be "born again" UNLESS u BELIEVE what's written in HIS WORD instead of some "man!"
"I am sure there are some things about life you love"
K&T I love my family & since I believe all there is to life is right here on earth that is where I put my efforts;not in some ifs ands or maybes called god&heaven.All ive thrown away i
READ the BIBLE!NEW COVENANT spoken of; Jer31:33, Heb8:10;10:16;JESUS born;made"PROMISE"Jn14:26; DIED; "WAIT"Acts1:4;sent "P,"Acts2:2;speaks thru "P,"Acts1:2;chose PaulActs9:15 to cont for HIM2Cor5:20;gave"GRACE" Eph2:8-9! No LAWS(Gal3:24-25)!READ!
Kane, "no good deed goes unrewarded." Other religions must come to Jesus even if they arrive differently than Judaism-Christian, but one must ultimately go to and thru who we call Jesus. Many ways to Jesus; one way to God. Telling All Jesus in Milliu
Catherine, I love your last statement. I think that has already happened to my late father who was an atheist. I have felt his contact twice. If only christians like wilmers go to heaven, I don't think I would be happy there.
Mizbejabbers, by your belief don't even worry about going to heaven. You can't without Jesus presenting you perfect.
I think moreso when the fundamentalists get to heaven they are going to get a big slap on the wrist! Well said Catherine, virtue is void of religious stupidity.
Jewels,Moving from a humanistic view, One must accept Jesus as control of their life, than and only than His virtue helping one to receive heaven or else you only have your self righteousness view of virtue including any other humanistic standards.
You know atheists fate in the afterlife? You know God's will? You should be a great religious leader than not answering questions on Hubpages. "Let he without sin cast the first stone"
hah what a philosophy you have .. no need to talk about the religions we are actually taking about the faith . if you have believe on one god then you will be confident toward the realm .. but i thing atheist are not going to have a part in heavens;
Norine if that is your choice to believe that then you have a right .just as others have their own.
Yes, we have a "Choice" (Josh24:15) but IF we want to "please HIM" we OBEY HIS commands (Jn14:15)!
Norine notice 1Ki 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?
Your scripture means he sees everthing in heaven and on earth.
"...the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee;"
That's because GOD is EVERYWHERE; ALL THE TIME or "Omnipresent!"
Ivan ! then this further confirms that there is not a single word that means hell in the Hebrew Manuscripts of the Old Testament.
People need to read and do accurate research or you will add to the problem of misleading people.
Girl, you need to stop underestimating the WRATH OF GOD! Lk 16:24 (NWT) "So he called and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me & send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water & cool my tongue for I am in anguish in BLAZING FIRE!"
Ivan you are mislead that statment about eating children is lying, unless you are referring to Baal, he is a god.that requires those type of sacrefices, your reading material is flawed, please show your source to prove your statements.
"Ivan ! then this further confirms that there is not a single word that means hell in the Hebrew Manuscripts of the Old Testament."
Thats because hell didn't exist during the time of the Old Testament. Hell is a fairly recent christian development.
Ivan show the scripture to prove statement, you already have made one big one ,KJV do not talk in your language, what verse , and another thing KJV is full of deletions and substitute words ,I really considerate it poor quality, but you are wrong.
I've already shown proof. You and NW simply chose to dismiss it. You see,as god began to lose his grip on his "servants" new fear tactics had to be devised, so it went from...OT: Israelites;direct death threats to NT: Christians;Hell.
Guys: U are IGNORANT if u THINK GOD is a LIAR! Jn14:26 says HE will "lead&guide into ALL truth" with HIS POWER (Acts1:8) which includes "translations, deletions, HIS NAME, EVERYTHING!
So SPIRITUALLY; U have NO BASIS UNLESS u believe HE LIED!
I believe god when he says he'll make you eat your children if you fail to obey, but you don't. Does that mean you think god is a liar?
Ivan you gave me my request thank you . Now we can discuss the meaning. Always read the entire setting and chapter.
First scipture was that they agree as Isreal to be his people. He saved them from pharoah who enslaved oppress them.
"Always read the entire setting and chapter."
Leviticus is almost entirely made up of what god will do to people who dont obey, including making them eat their children. It is what it is no matter how you try to change its meaning.
Norine you can call me anything ! Because everytime you call me a name or somebody a bad name I will think about your problem you have and hope you get better ! I am so sorry this has effected your heart and attitude toward
K&T: SERPENT, I'm not concerned w/people BUT "souls" that's your job! ANYONE can "see" you have been "brainwashed" by "man!" This is a SPIRITUAL journey!
Ivan: GOD is the SAME but KILLS "spirit" not "flesh" when disobedient!
U r alive rt(Eph2:1
Norine why does Jehovah name exist at all ? Why do you say Hallelu(jah)!
In the new testment. Which means praise Jah !
Again Jesus is the Son of the most high, yes through him all prayers are accepted by Jehovah Our Father in Heaven.
Girl JEHOVAH; I AM, JESUS "SELF SAME "SPIRIT" who IS, WAS, & IS TO COME and tells us HOW he CAN operate via HIS "GLORIES!"
Why Phil2:9-10 have us "bending our knees"(NWT) to another God (aka JESUS) if what you believe true (Is43:11)?
Norine you preach a message of attack , name calling , if one disagree. as long as you been here that all I have learn about you. ,that stands out .you use Gods word to attack people you really dont know them.
I don't care to "know them!" It's the "soul" (belief) that needs "CORRECTION" for there is "No respect of persons w/GOD!"
Look how "nice" the serpent was in the Garden of Eden! The SAME THING is happening TODAY!
TRUTH=LOVE whether 1 likes r not
Ok Ivan just let us start from the point you don't believe. What is it that you do not believe? One answer at a time and I will give you 1 answer to each statment so I can see your point please say Ok ! fair !
O.K. K&T that's fair. I'll ignore the zealot(NW) and tell you what I think. For starters I dont believe that god is what we've been led to believe. If he is he hasn't come thru on anything other than to pronounce his self appointed "godship".
You sure can't find TRUTH w/o LEADERSHIP OF THE HOLY SPIRIT; therefore "the blind is leading the blind & they BOTH will fall in the ditch" (Matt:15:14;Lk6:39)!
Norine until you provide the truth in Hebrew and Greek and stop stalling tell me to answer your question ,you have obviously fail to prove your words ,no need to keep repeating a controlling factor of words because you can not prove the truth.
Do you REALLY think "Hebrew & Greek" is ABOVE what GOD SAID? Did HE not say HE would "lead & guide us into ALL truth" (Jn14:26)? How did they understand diff languages on Day of Pentecost (Acts2:5-12)?
YOU ARE IGNORANT as those in vs12-13!
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a la
Thank you wilmiers77, but that didn't answer my question. Jesus didn't write Revelation. I asked where JESUS said it, not one of the other writers. I appreciate your attempt to give me an answer anyway.
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Burn forever is a subjective belief.
I believe you mean well wilmiers, but I can't believe that a God of love would actually go for burning good people in hell just because they're not Christians. This'd be a god who was obsessed with owning people as opposed to the loving God of the NT
Kane, you burn in hell when you reject Jesus. I sheik when one names a religion.
Wilmiers, I read that whole chapter 18, and Matthew goes off the deep end and rambles all over the place. I'm not convinced that it is a true account of anything Jesus said. But I did ask, so thank you.
MizBejabbers, for critics that read the scriptures God has hidden His Truth. The bible can only be fathomed by those who pray to our Lord for understanding.
Matthew 18.9 is misinterpreted by Christians. It refers to the third eye, the center. Plucking out what one does not like is referring to transformation. If there is a part of you that is out of integrity - pluck it out, or stay in hell.
9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Jewels, reads like one eye, two eyes to me.
It means if what you see within yourself is out of integrity pluck it out. It does not mean the eye itself, but what you see within yourself. Cleanse yourself of the dross. At least enter with your central eye open, than it closed - ie ignorant.
Jewels, I don't read "third eye" into the scripture. It says two eyes, pluck one...rather than be sent to the Lake of Fire.
There is distinct reference to third eye in Matthew 6:22. Your eyes, ears nostrils, mouth are for the senses which is an externalization to the ego. You studied theology, you must know this. But have the experience & you will see. Jesus did.
Jewels, 22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
This scripture means not to have that offending eye, but the pair is focused on the prize of God.
Incorrect interpretation wilmiers77. If you practiced the experience of actually using your third eye, you would understand what Jesus passed to Matthew.
Jewels, let Matthew speak for himself.
If you practiced what he was talking about you'd understand. See you can learn knowledge via a book and think you know, or you can practice what is taught and have the experience. That's true knowledge. Jesus had true knowledge, he wants you to also.
Yeah, experience is the father of knowledge. But, one must get self out of the way and let the Lord do it. Believe me!! You shall experience all of it.
OKay, it's clear you don't know the experience of Self (capital S.) I do know what it is like which is why I'm persistently passing this to you. You don't want to receive it. I think that was the dilemma of Jesus too from memory.
Jewels, after all is said and done, the absoluteness of SELF is being in the image of God's Son, Jesus; the presence of God.
Yes, there are many temporary pleasurable experiences in God's Kingdom; grace shown by God's permissive will.
And THAT, my friends is why there are so many denominations of Christians.... (wilmiers77 and Jewels) If the Bible is the inspired word of God, then God needs to do a rewrite.
i have never seen so many foolish answers, most of you giving scripture need to learn to read and understand the bible because your answers do not answer or even apply to the question.
MizB Most of them do not understand hell is a mistranslation
Yeah I think some English bibles translate three different words from Hebrew and Greek into one English word: hell. The problem is that these words had different cultural connotations yet the English find it within their right to put it in one word
Mr. Wilmiers, please! No one likes a thumper...mostly, because what you thump against is not the ORIGINAL bible (which has been wrongly and widely interpreted in hundreds of versions and languages, and is known to have lost entire books over time).
Norine That is why the Heavenly Father says in Genesis let's us make man. Not once did he say let (me ).
Again, GOD operates in "GLORIES" as we do(IICor3:18)! The "US" HE was referring to was "ALL" of HIS "GLORIES" including "the jackass" (Num22:1-35)! Funny but TRUE! And "the whale" too! HE "manifests" HIMSELF into ANYTHING for HIS WILL to be accomp
Ivan Notice! The Complete Jewish Bible disagree with the Latin Vulgate, the KJV and the NKJV by making no mention of hell whatsoever in their Bibles. If the Jews, who are experts in their own Hebrew language, do not include hell in their Bibles, then
If GOD has "ONE MIND" and HE doesn't change, what did HE do to unbelievers in OT? KILLED! What makes you think HE'S changed because of what man has said?
Why don't you STUDY the "Wrath of GOD" (Eph5;Col3; Rm12; Rev19)?
K&T says: "Ivan you are mislead that statment about eating children is lying"
Sorry, but no, it is not a lie or misinterpretation. Its KJV. In other texts it says god will make us fight wild beasts over our children to see who gets to eat them.
GOD KILLS "spirit" when disobedient (Eph 2:1)! One can be walking around "physically" TODAY but DEAD to GOD via sin! That's why I say Scripture says not everyone "married" is "MARRIED" in the Sight of GOD (ICor7:39 "ONLY in the LORD")!
Next Ivan think if you save a person's life, feed them,house them ,protect them from their enemies, take their families in and feed and house them ,give them your money.
And all the sudden they turn on you as enemy in your house eating your food .
We're not talking about me, we're talking about god, who supposedly could make the world perfect right now if he wanted to. So why doesn't he? Besides, if someone did that to me inspite of my helping them I still wouldn't make them eat their kids.
Why are you campaigning for evil calling your creator of life evil, there has nothing been good coming from your hand and mouth, yet you use what God gives you to live and function. It's obvious who you follow. Think again .
First off god has given me nothing as my parents gave me life& old age will give me death. The scripture backed comments I made show who the evil one really is and its not me. You can refuse to acknowledge it if you must but it doesn't change it.
Ivan if you want to believe that ,God allows it I finished my words with you.
god doesnt "allow" me to do anything, I do what I want as I have unrestricted free will. Try it, you might like it.
"I do what I want" There are LAWS on earth as it is for heaven! When is the last time you REALLY did "what u want" on earth? U like money rt? When is the last time u robbed a bank? U know the LAW; u haven't!
SAME WITH GOD - "LAWS!"
Norine satan knows Jesus , you know Jesus , satan accuses Jesus and angelic brothers. , you accuse christains with Gods word , satan use God s words and repeated them to Jesus for his purpose you come on and repeat verse for your purpose of argument
Seems it's time u "connect" to HIS SPIRIT (as COMMANDED) to find TRUTH instead of believing "man," isn't it?
ONLY GOD (aka HOLY SPIRIT) can "draw one!"
Ivan you and satan are in the same car going the opposite of no return.you have hope. He judge and lost. So now you are throwing your life away to prove he is right.
No he created the lie. And you listen .
And u "throw your life away" LISTENING to that "man" who told you JESUS was a reincarnated angel (Michael) when Scripture tells us HE is "ABOVE ANGELS" (Heb1:4;NWT)!
Correct me if I'm WRONG!
Norine your last post is a opinion and reply to me. People are waiting for your proof to the claim of the subject.
Please give us this meaning in Jesus language ,Hebrew and Greek is right.
Furnish that real meaning of hell and you speak truth
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO STOP DEFYING SCRIPTURE AND "ANSWER" (I Pet 3:15)?
QUESTION "AGAIN:" What is GOD going to do w/us after HE judges & finds us "guilty?"
Is that something that "the cult" told u "not to answer" (secretive) DEFYING Scripture?
jesus supposedly spoke Aramaic. therefore any translation of what he may have said is automatically corrupt. then again, the whole thing is a fraud so it doesn't really matter what was said or what was meant. 21st century people should know this.
Tod you certainly are confused and base judgment on the subject in confusion .
Jesus is not God, the Heavenly Father.
So what language you mention does not matter because the Father knows all.
Lets stop here. Have a nice day.
you're the one who previously said jesus was god on earth. so it would seem you're not sure about what you actually believe. get it together then try again. consistency is very important. without it you make yourself sound foolish.
I must agree w/you there Ivan!
Even her NWT says in Jn 1:10 "the world came into existence by JESUS" yet she doesn't believe JESUS is GOD!
JW'S will be revealed according to II Thess 2:3-4!
Norine you keep using that translation as the only available bible. A good doctor or Lawyer uses books of knowledge not one book to be competent.They are even speak different Languages, latin, you are beating people with one bible not our
i was talking about you, norine, you're the one who previously said jesus was god on earth, not K&T. then again you say such weird stuff sometimes that you dont even know you've contradicted yourself. get consistent so you dont sound like a fool.
K&T: U can't talk about JESUS in any language; u (like Ivan) don't KNOW HIM!
DEMONS! Come Out!
JW "cult" believe HIS POWER (HOLY SPIRIT) is not able to "lead & guide into "ALL" truth!"
Ivan: U BOTH are CONFUSED as usual!
Blind leading the B
You need to pry the TREE TRUNK out of your eye so you can see to help anyone else, Norine. You have NO BUSINESS 'rebuking' K&T (whose beliefs I'm not wild about, either) nor anyone else. Peeps who don't believe EXACTLY as you do are NOT possessed
If *u* or ANYONE else thk telling souls to WAIT for HELP fm HOLY SPIRIT "BEFORE" taking off like a man dragging a cow by his tail=PLANK in eye; I HAVE! Lev19:17 "REBUKE!"
Yes POSSESSED w/THEIR thinking vs HOLY SPIRIT bcuz they didn't WAIT(Jn4:23-24)!
If *u* or ANYONE else think repeating GOD'S WORD=TREE TRUNK in eye; CONFUSED! All GOD ask is "WAIT"(Acts1:4) for "HELP"(Jn14:26) fm HOLY SPIRIT & STOP using *ur* brain(Prov3:5) or "propaganda!" GOD wants GLORY but *u*try to take! HUMBLE YOURSELF
Why don't you take your own advice and WAIT for his HELP - and HUMBLE YOURSELF? You're WRONG when you insist that ONLY YOU are led by Spirit. On top of that, you judge ignorantly without knowledge. You're nothing but a banging gong! 1 Cor 13:1
Stay in Scripture or NOT "lead" by HIS SPIRIT (Isaiah 8:20)!
"Knowledge" is ONLY in HIS WORD!
Not "only one" lead by HIS SPIRIT & u know this but Isaiah didn't LIE!
The people that lived before Jesus and knew nothing of salvation, didn't have those 2 choices. Are they all lost souls? Is all of mankind that lived more than about 2000 yrs ago, burning in hell today? See my comment 1 answer up. It applies nicely.
No heaven for the cavemen! Humor aside, I'd like to know the answer to that question myself.What about the millions or even billions that were here before heaven was even a concept? I guess they're just s**t outta luck.
Heaven has ALWAYS been "a concept" (Gen 1:1;Rev1:8)!
GOD is "JUST" & after HE arose "went into prison (grave) to preach" SAME gospel (GRACE;Rm1:16;Gal1:6-9) to "prisoners"(IPet3:19;4:6-7) but won't again(Heb9:27)!
Always been the same: Heaven is just a reference to the place our soul hangs out after we die. Most 'spiritual' peeps (even some C's) believe we incarnate again; however, 'Karma' does not exist. There is NO PUNISHMENT for a soul after a body dies.
It doesn't matter whether there is "a hell" after we die in *my* relationship w/GOD because I LOVE HIM & HE KNOWS "the heart" so what u talk has no relevancy to *me!*
That's what happens when u have a DIRECT "C" Line to HIM; you become ONE w/HI
IDONO nobody appreciates someone who can't study and learn for themselves. All of the answers to your questions are available if you want to know them. Do your diligence before bothering others.
1st, this question is FOUR years old & 2nd IDONO has very good reasons for asking this question: the 'salvation' message within Christianity has been proven by both Christians & exChristians to be a hoax of control through FEAR. Read my hub.
U & IDONO don't know Scripture! Jesus went into the grave & preached to the prisoners AFTER resurrection&gave SAME opportunity we have to be 'saved' (IPet3:19)!
JESUS "PROMISED" - NO "FEAR" if we are IN HIM(Jn14:27)!
What "fear?" Fear
You write, but you don't read. I've explained the C inferiority complex based in FEAR several times & written a hub about it. The fear I am referring to would be the fear that keeps you in here insulting my intelligence & warning me of judgme
U urself said "FEAR creates desire for GOOD" & TRUE so what's the problem? Doesn't matter how one gets there; just "RECONNECT" then *HE* will "lead & guide into *ALL* [REAL] TRUTH!" U "researching" wrong thg! "CONNECTION to "THE SPIRIT" IMP
CrescentSkies, self always refuse to accept "We are saved by grace; not by works." God only accept perfection. "how good of a person..."? That's debatable because Jesus is the only one who has lived a perfect life.
MISFIT: ANSWER (IPet3:15)!
How are we "gods" IF "the WORD "doesn't" come to us" (Jn10:25)?
STOP picking out portions of Scripture to justify IGNORANCE! READ "ALL!"
Jn10:25-30 "Ye BELIEVE NOT because ye are NOT of my sheep"(v26)!
You have a very good local, uneffected by time philosoph of life.
Extremely beautiful answer. I tell you in all sincerity that the true God-lover will welcome you. He//she will have no problems with your answer, DZY
Your an atheist that's scared to go to hell.
mtkw - atheists don't believe in hell, therefore they do not fear it.
I guess we will all find out when we die! None of us are clairvoyant enough to know exactly what will happen when the circle of life comes to an end for us all. Atheist believers demand proof yet rely on themselves for empirical validity of hell. LOL
Micheal that is a great example to get people to think , what about people who can not help the conditions they live in what will happen to them. Well it is interesting that they have a judgment time it is written. John 5:29 is clear.
Jn 5:29 Where is "damnation" K&T?
According to NWT'S Lk 16:24 the "rich man called & said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, & send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water & cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this BLAZING F
I like this answer. It's human. It makes me wonder if religious types do what they do for the "reward" or because it's the right thing to do.
Probably the reward..which stinks for them because in the end what we do in this life is all that matters.
We have THE MIND OF CHRIST when IN CHRIST! The "benefits" are GREAT "in this world" & we are "rewarded" DAILY!
Therefore, BOTH for was are changing from "glory to glory" (2Cor3:18) into HIS likeness!
King James Version-
28Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
29And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons
Ivan the statment was to tell them he would take his protection from their midst and their enemies can do as they please.
Jer 19:9 because of the siege and their desperation when they are hemmed in by their enemies and those seeking to take their
Ivan: You so "carnal!"
IICor3:6 "The LETTER killeth!" Does that mean that when u read you die? lol
"Understanding" ONLY comes from the HOLY SPIRIT!
Go find HIM to "understand!"
You're both in denial. You embrace the good parts and twist the evil parts to make them how you want them. Face it your god is full of malevolence regardless of his "sugarcoating" it with the occassional promise of good things. I feel sorry for you.
Ivan life does not come from the power of satan ,but death does, he is a manslayer, yes many may live a short time under his rulership, But our Heavenly Father can keep us living as long as he does eternally, satan has already stolen many a right.
Again, Satan is not an entity but rather its a title, like "president". If god can do all you say he can why would there even be dissent in heaven? why would he create angels that would rise up against him? It makes no sense.
Ivan God did not make robots he created independent free moral humans to chose.
Satan was good at a time,but he got jelous and wanted to be worshiped he created and acted out a wrong idea.Why did God not destroy satan right away is for a good reason
To create "man" & use him to deceive you who has "brainwashed" you into believe their is NO HOLY SPIRIT who will "teach you ALL things" (Jn14:26) although stated in the book he changed (NWT)!
Without THAT "connection" YOU ARE LOST!
Norine I believe in loving my neighbors
And thats comes from trying to apply my love and interest to the Heavenly Father. If you can not love your fellow brother or sister , there is no way you can love these people he created in his image.
"thats comes from trying to apply my love and interest to the Heavenly Father." YOU "try?" When "BORN AGAIN," it's AUTOMATIC! See u have no Spirit of Christ?
Did u tell ur kids TRUTH? THAT IS "LOVE" whether they liked or not!
It's not about "nice!"
Tod which one! Because just like you are a man, there are many men, god.is a title of many gods . So !
if there are many gods, as you say, who decided any particular one is above all the rest? and doesnt the christian god say he is the only true god? is the picture coming in clear yet? you sound a bit neoplatonistic with the 'many gods' comment.
Don't let K&T fool u believing ALL "men" are "gods!" ONLY BELIEVERS in the GOSPEL OF CHRIST are "gods!"
There is but "ONE GOD" (Is 45:5) the Father of Abraham, Issac & Jacob" (Exd 3:6); the CREATOR of ALL things (Jn1:10;14)!
thats not what K&T said, norine. i'm no psychiatrist but you are definately sounding like you're losing your mind with all this nonsense. maybe you should take a break and reassess what it is you actually believe.
Small "g" indicates men "gods" NOT the CREATOR! Then u ask which one is the real one; a "man?" Is 45:5 "There is NONE (GOD) besides me!"
Looks like you need to STUDY Scripture instead of BASHING your CREATOR (Rm 1:13;18-32;2:1)!
i've been studying 'scripture' for over 30 years. thats why i say what i say. your scripture is based on preexisting scriptures. that makes yours a fraud. my creators live in new york. if your such a great christian why do you do nothing but badmouth
I "model" JESUS (Matt23)! HE told ALL to "go & sin no more" (Jn8:11) but when we do (as parents) HE'S not so LOVING (Prov6:16-19;I Jn2:16)! MOST have been taught "one side" of GOD but not other & finds other "badmouthing" although IT IS WRITT
you're right, he's not so loving. how could he be when he lets millions of children starve and die of disease. the intelligent answer would be 'there is no god'. now lets here the ignorant answer.
I thought u "studied?" U didn't even get Gen Chptr 1 right?
V26: "And GOD gave DOMINION to man over ALL the earth & over every creeping thing (other men)"
Now let me hear your IGNORANT response to that!
Their INTELLIGENCE (as urs) fluffed it
you make some strange comments, norine. as if your repeating rather than knowing but your losing something in your translation. anyway, thats the usual 'blame the victims' cop out answer. and there are more versions of genesis than you can count.
Yes man has changed Bible for centuries BUT HOLY SPIRIT has not changed! You need to "hook-up" w/HIM instead of thinking what you've been TAUGHT (man) of HIM! W/o the "hook up" RELIGION is DULL & you are LOST!
you constantly contradict yourself, but i'm lost. there is one good thing to come of it though, that you give potential converts and true christians an idea of how NOT to be, thank you for that. i wish you all the best in the afterlife.
N is hyped cuz she believes Spirit is literally speaking thru her to enlighten/save hellbound 'non-believers' - despite that she rarely makes sense. (Wouldn't God be more clear?) We know she doesn't rep most C's, helps others make points, tho. :)
Ivan: Yes you'll need it (luck) cuz that's *all* you have!
MF: GOD came to *me* after I cried out to HIM w/a sincere *heart;* I didn't go "researching" for HIM & has been speaking to me since!
U can't find that "in a book!"
Believe or not!
Yes. When you 'feel good' you are in harmony with the eternal 'soul' part of you; when you feel bad (any negative emotion) - you are in disagreement; because God can only see 'the good' in absolutely everything. This is our navigation system.
Oh, ''so I can just "think" harmonious thoughts & get to heaven?
lol Atheist can too?
No "judgment day"(Heb9:27;2Cor5:10)? No need for Paul to have taught "The Gospel of Christ" (Gal 1:6-9)?
Please explain that!
J & Paul both taught the SAME 'gospel of Christ' or the Kingdom of God WITHIN us all. They taught it bcuz people believed they needed pagan rituals to atone for their human nature. They were teaching: NO SALVATION NEEDED, you are a 'god', as J is
Jesus said "If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came..." Did you not hear; "...unto whom the word of God came...?"
Not ALL are "gods!" "The Word of God MUST come unto one" or BELIEVE!
Why do u ignore parts of Scripture?
I don't worship scripture & have it in perspective. IF U did not have The Bible to confuse U with the intertwined pagan stories of Mithras & Imperial Cult, Jesus would not have had to EVER come OR die to correct deceptive spiritual perception
U believe "some parts" (as I) but u don't believe MOST IMPORTANT part *HE* "leads & guides!" I BELIEVE "ALL" until *HE* "leads & guides" me into truth" WITHIN HIS WORD! Did u read the contradictions HE "revealed" or just DELETE? I didn't go o
I know you are having a hard time getting it through your head that he HAS BEEN LEADING & GUIDING many Christians away from those obviously-misleading, pagan biblical 'salvation' beliefs. Stop ignoring me on the controversies of Paul & do a S
When one "takes it upon themselves" to "FIGURE IT OUT"(Prov3:5) you DEFY the WORD of GOD(Jn14:26) & come up w/yet another RELIGION! TRUST HIM to "FIGURE IT OUT" (aka "reveal") for REAL TRUTH & not *your* HALF TRUTH you'll get BETTER RESULTS!
Get it through your head that he HAS BEEN LEADING & GUIDING many Christians away from 'salvation' - cuz its obviously harmful on the soul; and we're grown up enough to finally be able to grasp the truth. Restart your brain, research & release
Yes "he" has (Satan)!
I don't find ONE Scripture that tells us to "research" o/s Bible(II Pet 1:3)!
Scripture testifies of Itself!
IICor13:5 "Examine yoursleves, whether u be in THE FAITH...Know u not that Jesus is in u EXCEPT YE BE REPROBATES?"
maheshpatwal, him/her's good karma can have fruits of a goodlife in this world (no good deed goes unrewarded), but ONLY Jesus presenting you perfect to God will get you eternal life.
"IF" you LOVE ME "keep my COMMANDMENTS" (Jn 14:15)!
Is this asking too much? Didn't HE DIE? Can't you show "gratitude?"
Show LOVE & not HATE by NOT obeying to "connect" & HE'LL tell u EVERYTHING!
Right! Christ & Paul BOTH originally taught the 'christos' or 'Christ Consciousness' or Kingdom of God was WITHIN each one of us; AND Christ's purpose was to show us how to navigate through our human existence. 'Salvation' was tacked on later.
Paul tells us how "to get there" & it is thru *"The Gospel of Christ" which is not as secular RELIGION believes (the bible is the gospel of Christ)! :"The Gospel of Christ" is "GRACE" not the entire bible! Why Paul said Gal 1:6-9="ACCURSED!"
The 'gospel of Christ' is the same message Jesus taught: the kingdom of God or 'christos' is within every single one of us. Jesus put it into perspective for peeps of his generation; and Roman leaders later distorted it to unite pagan masses.
The point is, once we have acquired the DIRECT (Jer31:34;Heb8:11) "Communication Line" to HIM (aka "born again"Jn3:7 or "WAITED" Acts1:4), HE speaks to us DIRECTLY & "we won't have to teach each other ANYTHING anymore!"
Now that's the bottom li
Then provide a book with as many accurate fulfilled prophecies written before Bible as Bible?
What did you "wait" for Katy?
Believe "Thomas Jefferson" over your CREATOR?
Where does your "blessings" come from?
If your belief "no heaven or hell," then provide a book with as many fulfilled prophecies written before Bible as Bible?
There ARE NO 'prophecies' fulfilled in bible, only far-reaching erroneous perceptions of them. Revelations is NOT about the 2nd coming of Christ. Research! If we didn't have our eternal memories erased, we wouldn't BELIEVE that we are human beings.
Dear heart, u have "a spirit" CONFUSED with "THE SPIRIT" of CHRIST! MOST "proclaimed" Christians are not "CONNECTED" either but have "a spirit" as do Atheists! Believing WRONG is SAME! Yes, eternal memories there due to "a spirit" not "THE SPIRIT
You believe people are separate from God. You were taught this by your Christian teachers who believed it, also. It is one of the most harmful things EVER done to this planet: lying to peeps about the reality of their ETERNALLY WORTHY existence.
If we're not "separate fm GOD" in unrighteousness (who is HOLY so u can't be w/HIM), then there is no Satan nor unrighteousness! What?
You will stand before the judgment seat of Christ for most harmful things EVER done to this planet: lying 2 ppl
No lying, just a little more truth finally. God is Holy, Jesus is Holy, Paul was Holy, WE are Holy - unconditionally, no 'belief in' The Father required cuz we ALREADY KNOW Him AS Jesus: we just don't remember, yet - like he was able to & taught.
IF "unconditionally holy" then NO Satan or unrighteousness huh? FOOL!
Until u get that "stinking Catholic thinking" out of ur head that Jesus is another person fm GOD, u r "CONFUSED"!
"ONE SPIRIT" (ICor12) who "manifested Self in flesh"(ITim3:16)
No Catholic thinking, N - LISTEN! I've NEVER said that 'Jesus isn't God'. What I'm saying is that Jesus came to SHOW PEOPLE that we are EXACTLY LIKE HIM: God in the flesh. No need for ancient pagan 'salvation' of God thru Mithras OR Him NEEDED.
We DON'T "disagree" cuz we are "EXACTLY" like HIM; LISTEN: "IF" we BELIEVE to "activate" HIS POWER! Atheist are NOT going to "activate" THE POWER cuz they DON'T BELIEVE which leaves HIM "paralyzed!"
HE doesn't FORCE HIMSELF on ANYONE(Josh24:15)
Things does clear up only to a good shadowy view, but to be saved one must accept God's salvation thru Jesus. Then and only then shall one see that Jesus is the Truth and the Life giving a perfect view. Not by works, but by grace are we saved.
K&T: This is ALL SPIRITUAL! If u DON'T BELIEVE HE will DO WHAT HE SAID "Who's the FOOL?" NWT;Jn14:26 "But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father, will send IN MY NAME, that one (lil "o") will teach you ALL thgs & bring back to your min
So our test may never be what we think it is , it could very well be how we treat our brother or sister, it not knowledge of what we know but how we apply it is our tests.
So we are to be kind and loving to each other .
You are as UNSPIRITUAL as Ivan!
That man has "brainwashed" you from the POWER of JEHOVAH (aka HOLY SPIRIT)!
How are u going to be "born again" (Jn3:7) to enter HIS kingdom when that man has LIED to u?
TRUTH is being "nice" (aka LOVE)!
Jewels, each person has the freedom of choice to choose self or Jesus. Hell is distasteful to everyone, but...
You don't know the Son of God.
I do not teach religion rather I teach a personal relationship with Jesus, the Son of God; a Love affair.
Jewels, no one ought to water down the atonement. Jesus would not have died for our sins and gone to hell if a virtuous life is all there is needed to go to the heaven.
It's amazing that since we all have the kingdom of heaven evil still thrives.
Jewels, after reviewing I thought I need to qualify something. I am not believing that Jesus is not in the minds of believers of other religions or faith. God's Spirit of Truth testifies of Jesus in All, many incompletes must become one whole Spirit.
Having a personal relationship with Jesus requires you go into the depth of yourself and find the part of you that is no different to Jesus. And yes it feels like you're having a love affair. Impossible to really love if you are not in yourself.
You mean like your inner Christ? Do you ever believe you would ever be on par with Jesus? As holy as He is? Do you believe you can be a Christ by opening your third eye? Your beliefs are very dangerous.
Takes much much more than opening your third eye. It takes many years of practices. Christ is within, it always has been and always will be. You will never find what you are searching for through external means. It's just not there.
The third eye is the eye of Lucifer. Matthew 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Are you a false Christ?
Claire you've been down this road before. I am not a false Christ, Christ is within me and is within you and everyone else. You misunderstand the bible. Go inside yourself and find what Jesus was wanting you to do all along.
What do you mean He is in you? Do you think you are an extension of His divinity or can learn to be? How can you say Christ has been inside of us all along but say it takes years of practice? Do you think we can learn to be a Christ?
Jewels, yes Christ is within us all. So is God's Holy Spirit; Spirit of Truth, and the Comforter. Referring to the OP, Jesus must present you perfect to God to rec eternal life. Don't confuse with the Permissive Will of God for living now.
Reading through all the responses in this hub, Jewels, I really wish I'd known religious people more like you when I was younger. I love your philosophy on the issue.
Easy for secular humanism to sound appealing but the difference between the Word of God and it are like comparing single engine planes to a space ship.
Thank you Wilmiers for eluding to me being a space ship. I can tell you the ride is absolutely beautiful. Go within and you can also experience what Jesus did. And Thanks Jazzy - truth (the Word) as an experience makes for an extraordinary life.
Jewels, sorry, but I was referring to your teachings of "Self" as the small one engine plane as compared to the Word of God.
Believe that Jesus is the Son of God? Have you read "Loss your life for my sake is life gained afterward 100 times over."...
Wilmiers, what do you mean Christ is within us all? Satanists have Christ in them? Atheists? Are you saying the Christ within us all is a higher power to our potential godhood? You sound like a New Ager.
Claire, you say Jesus went to Hell? Where in the Bible does it say that?
You have to know what hell is. Being full of the sin of the world means the complete separation from God and that is hell. God cannot be near sin. What is the victory of Christ if He didn't conquer death and hell?
Thanks for responding, but I still don't remember anything in the Bible about Jesus going to Hell to find out what it was. The story is he died on the cross to pay for human sins and then went to Heaven.
Claire, "Christ in...all?" I was referring to the conscience; that still soft voice. Of course, satanist and atheist do not know it nor Christ Jesus. Satan is their god. Thanks.
Wilmiers, atheists by definition do not have a God.
Bolero, if atheist don't have a God, than they wouldn't exist instead of walking around in an intricately designed body not knowing from where they came.
A conscience is a medium from God to us. They are not one and the same so Jesus cannot be "within" everyone.
Atheists do not believe in a God. They do not believe in Satan either. Satan is not the default option. They may be good people. To suggest that good people who may spend their lives helping their fellow man are are Satanists is appalling.
wilmiers77, I can tell you absolutely that I am no one engine plane. But you are correct that the state of Self is not the Absolute. But comparing the little ego to the state of Self is a huge error in esoteric studies.
Bolero, satanism is defined by acts, not by nonbelief.
Jewels, Self always refuses to deny self; but this is required to receive eternal life thru Jesus. Self is a sinner and have fallen short of the glory of God.
If "jesus" is in all of us I want him out he is invading my space, come on even vampires can't come in your home unless invited you mean they have better morals than your savior/god/idol/fairy tale?
jlcustompc, there is all kind of uninvited spirits in your deeper mind. You must invite Jesus into your conscience, everyday life.
Please research Dr. Caroline Leaf's books on the actual physical reality of God's design of your mind.
Again wilmiers77 you misunderstand the meaning of Self (capital S). You would not manifest as a human being if you did not have this state. The little ego however, is what you need to work on. Go inside via your third eye as Jesus did & you'll k
Jewels, true SELF is in the Spirit of God or else you have a lesser god. We are predestined to be in the image of God's Son, Jesus Who has God's Spirit.
Amen, this women speaks of truth.. Yes;D The kingdom of heaven is within! Although it can be hard to find when your blinded by such illusions and fears that have been pounded within your hearts.
After reading through all these comments I am delighted to see so many truth seakers. Seek and ye shall find! I think this statement to be true regardless of whether you are using you first, second or even a third eye if you happen to have one
Jewels....Your words, wisdom and true knowledge of how we know Christ & where to find the answers is the most accurate, loving and real. You are the only one here who speaks the truth. I appreciate your tenacity. We fully agree.
If we were ALL "born" w/the KoG w/in us; Scripture LIED (Ps51:5;ICor15:21;Rm5:12-31)!
One must "OBEY" to acquire KoG!
Why did u stop reading @ Lk 17:21?V25 says "BUT "FIRST" must HE suffer ..." then u "obey" to acquire!
There r "laws" to "acquir
Norine Jesus has been on his throne and directing us to make sure people know about the good news of his Heavenly Government.
We obey and do just as our King tells us.We are in an education work as Jesus says teach Not in an argumentative
If "Jesus on his throne," WHERE IS GOD - DEAD? There's no big daddy GOD & his little Son Jesus!
There is ONE SPIRIT who operates in "GLORIES" of ANYTHING, ANYTIME, ANYPLACE; simultaneously if HE DESIRES for HE is GOD but NAME is JESU
Satan knows more then you and me both but has been cast out of heaven as an ememy of God. So knowledge is not what saves you its how you live it not preach it. I have things to do Norine later.
IF u BELIEVED GOD WILL DO WHAT HE SAID "TEACH ALL TRUTH" you wouldn't believe that!
YOU ARE AN UNBELIEVER according to Jn 14:26!
Why "TALK" Jehovah and you don't KNOW HIM?
Did you know we can act just like him accusing our brothers with bad intent.
Thats exactly what satan does notice !
Rev 12:10. Says he does this day and night.
We are not to act like him so stop fighting with and accusing people.
How did *I* "accuse" when I repeated what GOD (aka JEHOVAH) said? Is Bible not HIS WORD? If not, why believe?
U call HIS WORD "bad intent?" BE CAREFUL!
There's a difference between "fighting" & "CORRECTING" although "children" see as such!
Ex 34:27 Jehovah went on to say to Moses:
“You are to write down these words, because in accordance with these words, I am making a covenant with you and with Israel.”
They agreed and accepted. that means they accepted the judgments of wrong doing
LISTEN to non-HOLY SPIRIT filled (Matt3:11) non-"BORN AGAIN" (Jn3:7) talking DEFYING Scripture?
JW'S don't believe JESUS is the HOLY SPIRIT although their NWT says (Jn14:26) "...the Father will send IN MY NAME..." (Jesus talking)!
One of my favorites! Great!
Russell Crowe!!! The Gladiator!
Today Norine I awake with the blessings of my Heavenly Father and I dont think its because of you and your right to believe what you want. My day is going to be a postive one ! And you can find somebody else to argue with
and call names.
EVERYDAY we awake with HIS BLESSINGS but yours is "positively wrong" belief!
JESUS is not an Angel or Heb 1:4-14 LIED
"BETTER THAN ANGELS!"
Why allow "man" do this to you?
You need HOLY SPIRIT HELP but man (Satan) has deceived not to believe!
Amen. There is a reason why hundreds of pre-bible gospels (and their owners) were destroyed while only four were inserted as 'written by original disciples' - in Greek, not in Jesus' native language. There are now TWO versions of Christianity.
BUT "ONE" HOLY SPIRIT (aka GOD) who "leads & guides!"
Can't you see HE will tell you ANYTHING - DIRECTLY as Promised (Jer 31:34;Heb8:11)!
Why do you not BELIEVE?
You DOUBT HIS POWER?
I've told you many times, Norine: I DON'T doubt his power. At. All. I simply no longer believe pagan lies littered thru The Bible intentionally-written to deceive people about the reality of who & what they really are: which was J's real message.
Why did JESUS SAY *HE* would "lead & guide us into "ALL" truth"(Jn14:26)? IS HE A LIAR?
YES *u* DOUBT HIS POWER & continue to prove it by doing what *HE* SAID *HE* would do! Can't u see u're DEFYING JESUS?HE knew man would chg WORD why (Act
*applause* I would pick this as the new best answer if I could. I'd add, it isn't good to have inferiority complex like, "you're born unworthy" - its not good for YOUR heart. There is no condemnation, you KNOW this. Listen to undo the twists.
We ALL have "choice" don't we? Either u "RECONNECT" to your CREATOR or remain where you are! You'll find out 'in the end' when we stand before the judgment seat of C who was RT!
But remember "GOD'S HAND IS STILL STRETCHED OUT" (Isaiah)!
I'm sure you find the fatalistic idea of God's judgment to be validating & isn't it FUN to point the finger & tell people, "God's going to punish U for making fun of my beliefs!" Not gonna happen, N. That is a Mithras concept U have embraced.
Do u believe "The Flood?" Heb 13:8 says "JC is the same YESTERDAY, TODAY & FOREVER" & if HE killed then, HE'LL kill NOW! GOD doesn't *change* man does w/IGNORANT 'ideas' "trying to figure HIM out!" "CONNECT" & let *HIM* "lead u into "ALL
'The flood' is another story that was told in other cultures, in the same way other saviors b4 Jesus had similar stories. "The Influence of the Mystery Religions on Christianity" by Martin Luther King, Jr http://tinyurl.com/MLKjrStudy
Just saying, IF u believe GOD is the CREATOR, what "other stories" could have come first? Man 'held back' TRUTH to create stories to confuse IGNORANT people & they BELIEVE to makes them NOT BELIEVE GOD was FIRST!
U "took the bait!"NO HS "guide
That doesn't even make sense, Norine. There were LOTS of other cultures & religions developing on this planet - not just Judaism & Christianity. Bible is not only book with a creation story - and other stories that are similar. HS is my guide
Just saying, I BELIEVE!
HOLY SPIRIT doesn't LIE & IF HE'S "guiding u," HE'S "guiding" AGAINST HIS WORD which says *HE* would "lead & guide!" Does that make sense? If HE "guides" AGAINST HIS WORD, HE'D BE A LIAR & we BOTH know, *HE* "gu
From my college philo class I was taught that the Deist is someone who believes that God created all, laid the rules for us to follow or die, and disappeared for all time. Is this true in your belief system?
Huge shock wilmiers. We're all going to DIE whether we follow the rules or not! And, more importantly I think you can SEE that for those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who do NOT believe, no proof is possible or acceptable.
TRUE! Based on telekinesis (No comparison to GOD), which is more powerful; your strength; or your "mind's" strength? It's time we move past "knowledge" ("spiritual" immaturity) & into the POWER we have inside by BELIEVING; who "exceeds" telekine
Ivan according to Lu 13:24“Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able.
Mt 7:14 "and few are finding it"
You see this is not based on the higher but the lower.
It is based on "the Higher" which is the Communication Line (aka Holy Spirit) to receive DIRECT COMMUNICATION from GOD & w/o "man" continues to "interpret" "& few are finding it!"
When were u baptized w/the Holy Spirit K&T?
I'm not sure how you picture faith without the concept of believing in anything.
As to proof, we don't see the wind, but we can feel it and see what it does.
I also find your not commenting by commenting an odd concept
I said faith is necessary. But faith in a made up entity is silly. Believe in God. But don't believe in the various deities that various religions ask us to worship.
And I didn't comment on the actual question regarding "hell". What's odd in that?
Do you realize that saying you're not going to comment is a comment?
It's a way of conveying my disregard towards the concept of hell and heaven. Are you slow?
Nope. Actually have a genius IQ
Also not sure how being discourteous actually strengthens your comments. My experience is that, when folks make derogatory comments about you, it's usually because they've run out of logical things to say
Pointing out that I'm commenting by not commenting is somewhat you-dont-say?.
If someone critizes a guy by saying, "Don't even get me started on your drinking habits", it isn't odd. My comment was framed like that. And sorry for being rude.
I've just run into the commenting by not commenting thing a lot lately and it just strikes me as odd. I figure if you don't want to comment, you just don't comment
and thank you for saying you're sorry :)
Faith is null if one can prove anything.
Love what you said here sharma92tushar. It really means you are honoring a false god when you are worshipping anything other than your own integral Self (capital S that is). God is within, not without. Going to hell concept is man made to control.
Jewels, self honoring Jesus won't cut it because you honor what is not an integral part of you, but is in the external world. You must know the Son of God Who is confirmed by God's Spirit of Truth proceeding from the world and within. God is omnipre
But it is an integral part of me. If it's not an integral part of you then you have some work to do on yourself. God is omnipresent and is within. Go inside yourself and you may find what you are looking for. That is what Jesus is asking of you.
MF: Control & Fear are spirits from Satan!
IJn4:18 There is NO FEAR in LOVE (aka GOD)..."
II Pet 3:9 "...that they all come to repentance." If HE "controls," how can they "come to repentance?"
Sounds like CHOICE vs "control" to me!
Well said. Thank you for your thoughtful comment.
I am sorry you are lost, can I help you understand?
gsmith03, I love your response and it proves beyond doubt that you are a real seeker of truth like Siddharth who became Buddha (enlightened being ). Even when we eat fruits and vegetables, we eat the good portion of them.don't we ?
Poor gsmith & others! So MANY "lost!" Using that "brain" (Prov3:5) & not obeying HIS "commandments"(Jn14:15)!
IF ppl would only OBEY that would receive HELP!
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Why then are there so many believers vs unbelievers?
Are that MANY "IGNORANT?"
There are close to 8,000,000,000 people on earth. About 2,250,000,000 are said to be christian. So your "vs." theory is wrong and depending on who you ask many would say that "believers" are actually the ignorant ones...Knowledge holds the answers.
According to a survey by World Religions Religion Statistics Geography Church Statistics ppl who are "secular, non-religious, agnostics & atheists" account for only 14% of the WORLD'S population; 14% of 7 BILLION is only 980 million people!"
Norine if I ask you to do something it is no way we could be the same person.
Because if Jesus was God the Father he would not ask to glorify him beside him the way it use to be.
Jesus is limited because he asks the Father.
That metaphor signifies the desire of GOD'S heart to "get out of the flesh" & reconcile back to THE SPIRIT like we desire if "IN CHRIST!"
Girl, u can't "look @ "the letter" (IICor3:6)! HE told us to "WORSHIP IN SPIRIT & IN TRUTH" (Jn4:23-24)!
Did this in scripture say metaphor, No !
Joh 17:4 I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do.
Again he asks something from the Father .
Joh 17:9 I make request concerning them; I make request,
Here he ask
You KEEP looking @ "THE LETTER!" The Bible is written in allegories, metaphors, parables & illustrations! We "MUST" have a "Connection Line" to "understand!" That's why there are 33K+ denominations; NO CONNECTION; ONLY "interpretations!"
Jilani, please don't confuse the Permissive Will of God with the Perfect. Permissive Will falls under Grace period, but that ends and ony God's Perfect Will gives eternal life; least Jesus died on the cross for nothing. Jesus must present you perfect
I do not doubt what you are saying, but there are many many incidents according to my religion that are well said about the people who have done one good deed that has led them to great rewards.
Great rewards, Yes. I was strictly speaking of receiving eternal life. "Faith is dead without works" Not confused with "saved by grace; not works lest a man boost" in the final judgment which is totally the Son of God show as the standard for all.
To add to some comments stating jesus must present ' you ' perfect,
We are all siners,imperfect so one cannot be presented ' perfect '
Rm5:8-10 "justified by HIS blood"(v9)!
Rm3:22; "Righteousness given thru FAITH in HIM"
Phil 3:9; "I become righteous thru FAITH in JESUS CHRIST"
II Cor 5:21 "that we may become the righteousness of GOD in HIM!"
I Cor 1:29-30!
if you are atheist then how you can limit , how you can know this is good and that work is bad or sin ? hah no faith mean no limitation and no worries about any work ...
Micheal he said at Lu 23:43 And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.”
Jesus was telling him he would be resurrected.
Hab 2:14For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of Jehovah ,
He would be resurrected because HE BELIEVED! Not unbelievers going to "Paradise" but LOF (aka HELL) even ur NWT says (Lk16:24)!
Do u realize u're going to have to give in acct for LIES told before JEHOVAH even in IGNORANCE (Jer23:1)?
Tell you what, see how long you live trying to eat that "direct line" to god. See if it fills your belly and eases the pangs.
Ivan we do not argue and no one here fits these terrible tantrums of Norine.
I was happy to share with you the info
do not allow her words or names to affect you.
Ginuine love for neighbors does not act the way she does.
Jesus does not agree
Ivan: You're funny! lol You crack my sides! That "direct line" feeds me physically but MORESO "SPIRITUALLY!"
K&T: U r but a WOMAN talking because ANYONE not FILLED w/the HOLY SPIRIT (aka JESUS;Jn14:26) is NOTHING!
U DON'T know JESUS!
Did Jesus say HE was "religious?"
According to Bible "pure Religion" is "WORK" (Jm 2:27)!
The Holy Spirit "WORKS" under the New Covenant & is why Jesus "HATES" religion!
K&T, you'd be surprised at what I've learned in 40 yrs. For instance, did you know that after Adam was banished from the garden of eden he committed suicide? or that Eve was not Adams 1st "companion" in the garden? or that Noahs' youngest was gay
Ivan: When were you BAPTIZED with the HOLY SPIRIT? If you rely on what "man" has written & have not acquired THE COMMUNICATION LINE TO GOD (aka HOLY SPIRIT) you & your man-made "knowledge" is a LIE!
Over the pieces of the game ,because he knows he going to lose. You judge things by human opinion not by the issues of spiritual matters, satan has called all human unfaithful, deserving of death,
1 Judge not, norine, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured unto you. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye...Sinaiticus.
U didn't get Gen 1 right nor Matt 7:1 which is an IMPERATIVE SENTENCE! GOD LOVES "JUDGMENT" w/HIS WORD for sin (Lev19:17)!
Google "Is It Right to Judge?"
No wonder u ran from RELIGION! U didn't know WHAT was going on!
imperative: giving an authoritative command.
you use words you obviously dont understand.
i think you are the one who got it wrong. what makes you think youre going to heaven when all you do is corrupt scripture to fit youre own ideas? god sees you.
Corrupt your interpretation of what *you* think the Bible says through "teachings" & not through "the connection" one needs from the HOLY SPIRIT!
Did I not say "demons" come out? Look at you & this woman called "MISFIT" which is very appropr
If u blv "Modern Christianity has it's roots in the Egyptian mystery cults.," then u don't blv in God! Yes, GOD allowed man "free will," as He does today, but got tired as He will today then "the judgment" & 1 will "see" the inevitable (hell)!
Zarathustra (Sumerian Noah) came well before that of the biblical Noah yet they are the same. The story of the first created Adam was written first by the Sumerians as well. If they were written first by Sumerians how can the bible claim them?
Steven has spoken great truth here.
Symbols of Eygpt plague christians.
Jesus himself did not wear symbols even though the cross existed as a fertility symbol called the Aunkh.
But after his death they use it with his body on it .how disgusting
Either you believe GOD or Zarathustra!
Colossians 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."
Norine it's simple stated ,Byington
Joh 17:5 now glorify me in turn, Father, alongside yourself with the glory that I did have alongside you before the world was.
Jesus then called Micheal worked beside his Father. he ask him to do something .
Well that "man" changed your Bible! Look how your Jn1:1 reads "In the beginning was the Word & the Word was w/God & the Word was "a" god not was THE GOD but "a" god (little g) signifying other god not "THE" GOD?
How'd u get mixed up n that?
Norine address the comments based on truth and subject. King James of 1600 is not a bible to compare truth with. He deleted God's personal name into LORD that is wrong. So until you can find a better translations to compare no match .
Until you acquire a "Connection" to GOD ("WAIT" Acts 1:4) & allow HIM do as HE PROMISED ("lead & guide" Jn14:26;16:13), you will fall for ANYTHING!
Bible=Schoolmaster; but after "Connection Line" acquired, HE tells us TRUTH-"DIRECTLY"(Jer 3
Quote: "Either you believe GOD or Zarathustra!"
Well, since Zarastrutha came first I thinks it's obvious who we should "believe". When one steals the works of another as his own it's called "plagearizing" regardless of who believes it.
Not according to *my* belief! MY GOD created your "Zarathustra" (Col2:8)! The philosophy of men have NO meaning to *my* belief in a "SPIRITUAL" GOD!
Keep believing philosophy & maybe you'll find "evolution" is true as did your forefathers!
"Either you believe GOD or Zarathustra!" were your words not mine.
"Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy"
Its not philosophy, it's dated fact, the flood story of Zarathustra was the original.
Your "dated fact" means NOTHING to me because "facts" to man is different from "facts" with GOD!
"He who has "ears," let them "hear" (Matt 13:9)!
You say "Your "dated fact" means NOTHING to me because "facts" to man is different from "facts" with GOD!"
So stealing the stories of older religions and saying they came from God is somehow a "fact" of Gods?
It doesn't matter what "man" says; BUT what GOD has DONE in my life by standing on HIS PROMISES ("FACTS")!
As far as I'm concerned, "man" can PROVE his "theory" on WHATEVER, but because I've EXPERIENCED HIS PROMISES "TRUE;" there's no changing!
Would you mind sharing with us some of those promises God has stood on with you and in your life? Afterall, isn't sharing the "good news" a responsibility of the christian?
Why? To "mock!" You don't "believe" so you wouldn't believe no matter WHAT I said!
I've shared before on HP!
No, I won't mock you. And what matters to you is what YOU believe. I'm just trying to understand how people can have such blind faith in a religion that "mirrors" it's tenets after an earlier religion that it now considers false or untrue.
You'll NEVER understand because of "unbelief" which stifles "supernatural experiences" from GOD which gives one "proof;" HE FULFILLS PROMISES!
One "can't enter because of "unbelief" (Heb3:19)!
I have experienced the supernatural. So apparently "believing" in God is not a pre-requisite for it. There are many Empathetics who'll tell you the same thing. Not saying your view is wrong but that there are others. BTW, christianity is from judaism
I said "STIFLES" bcuz "Gifts are W/O REPENTANCE" (Rm11:29)! That's why Matt 7:22!
I don't care where "man's Christianity" comes from, mine comes from following the HOLY SPIRIT (aka JESUS)!
I said "STIFLES" bcuz "Gifts are W/O REPENTANCE" (Rm11:29)! That's why Matt 7:22!
So then according to this God gives those gifts regardless of whether we repent or not? or am I misinterpreting it?
TRUE based on WORD (Rm11:29)! Don't you remember when Pharoh's magicians thru their rods down & they became serpents but Moses' serpent ate them up?Those (evil) powers were "gifts" fm GOD (Is45:7)! So were those in Matt7:22! 1 can be easily foole
Ivan there are people who do not accept Jesus or the Father .
True we all recieve his kindness and blessings to use his power to live and resources,without these no human could live.
And yet even the Atheist use his gifts.
But there is a limit .
So, regardless of how man uses these "gifts" from God, God allows us them. Alright, I understand that, but I'm not sure of why God would do that. I would think that he'd reserve such for his faithful, no? & what are those "limits" you mentioned,
No "limits" in THIS WORLD; consequences but no "limits!" OK "witchcraft" for example! Satan has "power" too (IThess2:18)! God ALLOWS evil to overrule & receive "GLORY!"We MUST stay "on guard" w/HELP fm HOLY SPIRIT(Eph6:10-12)!GOD "reveals" to HIS
According to Celsus (in Origen, "Contra Celsum," i. 28) and to the TALMUD (Shab. 104b), "Jesus learned magic in Egypt and performed his miracles by means of it."
Sounds like an Egyptian connection to me.
Where did I get mine from? HE passed it on to me?
Here is proof ! 34 hours ago under Tom Ware name and coment box.
.MF: U don't believe "The Prophets," U don't believe Revelations,
Misfit had no comment anywhere on the page . you are a liar and you do not live what you preach.
AGAIN, I was addressing "M"i-s-"F"-i-t (MF)! "No weapon that's formed against u shall prosper;& every tongue that shall rise against u in judgment u shall condemn.This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD,&their righteousness of me."(I
When we are born is when we begin to 'become dual' beings with our eternal soul and a physical-based ego BOTH meant to assist in our soul's expansion in this life. The ego (not the personality) 'falls away' when our body dies: its purpose complete.
YES! I believe "ONE" Spirit but I also believe Lk 17:25 "BUT FIRST..." Explain that 'suffering' "FIRST?" Cross?
Jn14:6 How do those who DON'T "come unto to the Father but by me" fit in?
Jn10:35"UNTO WHOM THE WORD OF GOD CAME" U hear? Not ALL!
Jesus wasn't the 'only son of God' (saviors b4 him said they were, tho - Council of Nicea changed it) - WE are equally 'sons of God' & THAT was his original message. He didn't die for our 'sins' - pagan Mithras and others before him said they did
I don't care WHAT HE DIED FOR; I BELIEVE HE is GOD (Acts20:28) & DIED for me whether for 'sins' or they didn't like HIM, or HIS Message - whatever! I LOVE HIM for DYING for me and sending me HELP (HIS SPIRIT; aka HS) to make it through this life
You can love him for dying for you, he DID kind of do that but not in the way we've been force-fed. He probably died for blasphemy as a martyr for his message to expand into the consciousness of mankind cuz we needed TRUTH about our NATURAL soul.
HE DID DIE FOR US not "kinda" & for TRUTH (Jn1:14; "GRACE & TRUTH")!
BELIEVE HIS MESSAGE (Jn10:30;Jn10:35) CONNECT TO HIM (Acts1:4) & BELIEVE "HIS PROMISES" (Jn14:26;16:13; Jer31:33-35; Heb8:10-12;10:16;Eph2:8-9;Gal1:6-9) then you'll be
Jesus did NOT DIE for any other reason than to become a martyr so that BOTH messages - the lie & the truth about him - could continue to EXPAND the spiritual collective consciousness of all humankind. He DID die 'for us', just not 'for sins'.
WHATEVER reason HE DIED FOR US in "righteousness" & that's enough to LOVE & OBEY HIM! NOW "OBEY!" STOP "researching" & DEFYING WORD so HE can DO what HE SAID! U thk u "overpower" HIS PROMISE(Jn14:26)? Who can do a better job? Does HE
AGAIN, I didn't go try to "figure GOD out" or "research" to find HIM! I sought HIM w/a PURE HEART (I screamed "I'm tired!") and HE came into my life!
Since, HE'S been speaking to me DIRECTLY (Jer 31:33-34; Heb8:12) as HE PROMISED!
What has your comment to do with the question Sounds like the question was just a way to preach to others.
I believe the Q asked about "non-religious" ppl & you are to the one who spoke of "religious" ppl & I defended stating my personal experiences!
ON TOPIC to your "off topic" response!
'Beliefs' don't matter: human judgments on belief is the problem from both religious & anti-religious fanatics. Beliefs are tools & toys for humans to find internal peace - which is why they are so different for everyone. There is no 'one tru
You are quoting bible scripture and you're mentioning god. You're the one mentioning religion. I answered the question.
MF: NO! Differences bcuz didn't "WAIT" (LAST command; Acts1:4) which shows NO LOVE for GOD(Jn14:15) & "consequences" (33K+denominations)!
Tess: GOD is NOT a "Religion" but a SPIRIT (Jn4:23-24)!
You have a "choice" not to listen or respond! ???
Herein lies the problem "...submitting to God!"
We want to be "THE VINE" when JESUS told us "we are the 'branches" (Jn15:5)! When we "humble ourselves" (IChron7:14) to HIS WORD & RELY "TOTALLY" on HIM for "guidance," HE does it ALL(Jn14:23;Heb4
Cuz out of dozens of comments, this 1 hasn't been made yet, LoL! People really should read thru some other stuff b4 responding so Norine can stop seeing this as her own personal salvation soapbox. Even peeps like this need 'saving', right Norine?
You just can't "submit" can you CAT? The ONLY WAY "ye are gods" is AFTER you "submit" to THE FATHER (not your father) according to II Chron 7:14!
Every heard of "REPENT" (turn to GOD=FOR EVERYTHING)?
I Cor 2:1-16! And u have urs
I've heard of everything U have heard of - the difference being, I now know the truth about life & death & how our christos is our direct connection to God from the day we are born - no 'belief in' Him required. Impossible for us to be separa
Tell me an Atheist (example) has the "SPIRIT" of GOD!
U said "U have to "CONNECT!" How are they "CONNECTED" to One they don't believe exists if "belief" isn't necessary?
You CONTRADICT yourself!
II Cor 2:10-14!
I'm not contradicting myself, read my hub. We're born perfectly 'connected' and remain perfectly connected throughout life: no 'belief in' ANYTHING is necessary cuz we are NATURAL expressions of Source: God's real children in his christos image.
As w/the electric company; the wire (spirit) is there, but UNTIL 1 believes (not Atheist) they don't "flip the switch" to "CONNECT!"
I've had many tell me "There's no God, so there's no hell" not knowing they've a "switch to flip!"Until=NOTHING
Yes a 100 yr man can burn in hell if he has rejected Jesus. I suggest studying the bible and compare the above. It appears that you are out in the middle of some faith...bring something home.
The first thing to recognize that faith, and knowing for an absolute fact are not the same thing. According to your words only God's perfect will gives eternal life,does this mean that GOd can over rule Jesus and let in others from different faiths?
God is omnipotent and omniscience; not I. Jesus has God's Spirit Who is perfect. Persons of another faith must receive God's perfect Spirit (Jesus given another name by another faith) to receive eternal life. Many names; many faiths. Good question!
A 100 year old man can burn in hell if he gives up his virtue and integrity. Jesus says believe what you will, lead a virtuous life and you will be as I am.
Jewels, virtue and integrity must be view
ed as part of God's Jesus; the secular, humanistic view permenantly falls short of the glory of God Who is in Jesus.
One's own integrity and virtue is all that is required. At the end of the day this is what will be judged, not by an external God but by the God within.
God judges from both within and "outside", this is how we get into predicaments in this life. In addition, since we have a relationship with other living entities, it is going to be more than our own virtues and integrity that we will get judged on.
"The Pauline Doctrine" has KILLED MOST!
Ivan to take their lives Their God they had thrown away to worship false or foreign gods.They lost Jehovah’s protection and now satan will make them pay .
Satan is not loyal to no one even if people worship him he has been known to still kill you
YOU " lost Jehovah’s protection and now satan will make YOU pay" by allowing "brainwashing" into NOT BELIEVING in the POWER(Acts1:8) of the HOLY SPIRIT nor OBEYING" Acts 1:4-5 & NOT BELIEVING Jn 14:26 (TEACH ALL)for "revelation" vs "interpretatio
Ivan the earth was paradise, until a Jelouse rebel interfered and challenge our Heavenly Father's authority to give us a paradise.
Adam and Eve listen and followed,satan voice, and the earth now reflects satans rulership earth wide.
Yes it does & it began w/man "revising, rewriting, adding & deleted" the WORD of GOD & establishing organizations through RELIGION!
W/o HOLY SPIRIT=LOST!
That's why Ivan became disgruntled; no action or "dry bones" as in your JW organi
Please give Scripture where "We all go to hell?"
Also give Scripture Why "Jesus went to hell?"
No scripture needed cuz while Jesus died so that BOTH versions of his original & twisted messages would go on; the 'resurrection' part of his story was lifted from the Imperial Cult which lifted it from Mithras, etc. Jesus did NOT come to REPEAT.
I get tired of u using Lk 17 (KoG within u) but saying NO SCRIPTURE NEEDED-HYPOCRITE! Even go so far to say there is JESUS! U can't believe that part & say HOLY SPIRIT doesn't "lead & guide" & can't do better job than *YOUR* brain! HYPOC
This is true because God is pure Truth, pure Justice, and pure Love. You know morals with the Wholly Spirit.
Yes Mary; they're AUTOMATIC or "Fruits of the Spirit!" How could they not be when one has Christ inside? When we are baptized with the Holy Spirit; we PUT ON CHRIST! His Spirit resides in us! Even if we want to sin we can't! We're "CONVICTED!"
We're born fully-connected with the exact same kind of 'christos' Christ had within. Morality doesn't need to be taught, immorality does. Convincing people they are 'unworthy sinners', bullying, abuse & economic depression etc., creates monsters.
You're confusing 'a spirit' we have inside with "the Spirit" which is activated upon BELIEF! Why does Scripture say "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of GOD:because many false prophets are gone.." (IJn4:1)?
We only have ONE spirit, Norine. We have an eternal 'christos' within - same as Jesus had; and a physical-based ego BOTH meant to guide us thru this existence. Ego falls away at death, no longer needed. Salvation message is spiritual bondage.
BELIEVERS have "ONE SPIRIT" otherwise Scripture would not tell us to "try the spirits" (w/an "s")! There are unrighteous spirits as well("false prophets")! "No 1 can come to the Father but by ME" (aka HOLY SPIRIT)! If 1 didn't "WAIT"="propaganda!"
JESUS "never" taught "religion!" HE HATED IT(Matt23)! Religion is defined in Jm1:27 "works" which we are no longer under (Old Covenant) re: Eph 2:8-9! GOD CARES or no Gal1:6-9! GOD "REQUIRES BELIEF" re: Heb3:19! Mustard seed of FAITH in HIS PROMISES
Jesus original message was meant to save souls from a defeated, hopeless, self-doubt mindset: cuz its so harmful to us. He came to restore our belief in ourselves - not create a religion about himself. Christians R realizing this & its not new.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! Message STILL SAME! I didn't have to "research!" HE "revealed" to me! There is now therefore NO CONDEMNATION to those "IN CHRIST JESUS..." (Rm8:1)! New Covenant=GRACE="I will remember there sins NO MORE" (Jer31:33-34)!
Not same. That verse reads completely different now that the Paul controversy among Christians is in play: "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (your christos) has set you free from the [pagan] law of sin and of death." Research.
Paul was JESUS talking (Acts1:2)! There's no "Paul Controversy" to those "IN CHRIST" for JESUS & Paul "SAME" (IICor5:20) for he (Paul) "operated in Christ's stead!" Hold on to you hat! Much more to tell! Create "forum!"
Close, but no cigar, LoL! Why do you insist that you're so much different than Christ or Paul? How can you possibly be made of any other kind of 'metal' than they were? God is NOT a body, yet we are made 'in his image': our ETERNAL soul/christos/KoG
Paul WAS murderer! Not LIKE CHRIST - "UNTIL" (Listen) "WORD came to him!" Same w/us! We "MUST be born again" as Paul!
STOP "LYING" to peeps telling them "We "ALL" like Christ! You are confusing "a spirit" with "THE SPIRIT" & don't have "UNTI
I'm not lying to them, I'm pointing out UR wrong over & over again. LISTEN: And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. KoG is within. YOU are Gods: NO SEPARATION b4 death.
Well if they're IGNORANT enough to believe JESUS is A LIAR; it's on them for HE SAID "TRUE WORSHIPERS "MUST" (Did you hear?) "MUST" worship in Spirit and in Truth!" Keep telling them to "research" & to use their "brain" (flesh NOT Spirit)! UR wro
Even putting those verses side by side did nothing for you, huh? Jesus didn't lie - he was talking over 300 years b4 bible was pieced together. We can TELL what's fake by things like Mithras Prayer, Imperial Cult, massive executions, etc.
What doesn't make sense is U? If KoG in ALL why do we need FAITH? FAITH in what if we're Christ-like?
O how u'd like for this LIE to be true so u can keep on doing what u're doing (I Cor 6:9-10)!
Why do we need to "INHERIT" the KoG?
"A true heart creates a true self and lives in "their" true beliefs only." What basis used for "their true beliefs?" Man has TRUTH?
I'm sorry you feel that way.
There R reasons for 'bad' things: 1) our 'eternal soul' attracts situations & people into our lives that support our beliefs & cause 'expansion'; 2) it is OUR responsibility to CHANGE ugly parts of reality. God is our baseline that keeps soul
Perhaps you are confusing the free will. God did not do those things. Man does them. Man just makes really bad choices.
Exactly. We're born an eternal being into a body to experience a physical reality beyond what we know: which is why our memories R erased. The chaos is part of us 'becoming' as we REALIZE who & what we really are: 'God in the flesh' as J was.
Amen Damien! And "continues!"
Look @ Misfit defying Scripture (Acts 17:25) - "bad choice!" GOD is THE CREATOR & doesn't need ANYONE'S *help!* When one does, he places himself ABOVE GOD who SAID "I will NOT share MY Glory" (Is42:8)!
We are God's children. As such, he is no more 'sharing glory' with us than he was with Jesus. The KoG is WITHIN & has been slowly developing & expanding since the day we started inhabiting this planet ages ago & will continue for ages bey
Oh! So GOD doesn't mind us being GOD! Now u don't blv the Prophet Isaiah? HE doesn't want us to TOTALLY rely on HIM? Why "humble ourselves" (IIChron7:14) or they added that too? Yes, HE'S given us authority but not over HIM (WORD)!
If u use"conn"OK
First, let's quit pretending that people are authoring these faith based subjects because they don't want to be challenged. Second, Free will isn't even biblical, neither is hell for that matter.
Michael, provide a book written BEFORE the Bible that has as many fulfilled prophecies as the Bible? What "man" does this? GOD gave "DOMINION" on earth to "man" (Gen1:26) so don't blame HIM for "man's" INTELLIGENCE(?)!
I believe as Adam & Eve didn't obey HIS "FIRST" commandment, we didn't obey HIS "LAST" commandment (Acts 1:4 "WAIT") & suffer IGNORANCE! GOD winked at IGNORANCE then but we have no excuse now! HE commanded us to "WAIT" for HELP fm HOLY SPIR
God is PURE POSITIVE ENERGY. Human-born beliefs, religions, languages R only relevant to us. God cannot tell between sincere worship of a Christian, Muslim, Hindu - or crazed football fans. Can only 'read' hearts cuz that is the part 'like him'.
Funny! I have ALWAYS been a "good person" (nondeceptive, kind, helpful,etc;as Samaritan) but not "connected!"
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE & I've LIVED both sides!
U can't tell me HE "hops" in bcuz u are "nice" (crazed football fan)!
HE didn't me!
You WERE born fully connected & remain so, we all do. U would not be breathing, if not. Christos = umbilical cord to God. If had grown up with Jesus' REAL message, U would know Y there is no need for 'salvation' or religions. Lies create bondage.
There is a "carnal" life (breathe) & a "Spiritual" life! Adam killed the Spiritual! Now we have to RECONNECT or JESUS LIED "FIRST I must suffer MANY things" Lk17:25 (The Cross) & sent HS to HELP Jn14:26; Acts2:2! We NOT born w/GOD SPIRIT(Ps51
We ARE natural extensions/expressions of God. It is the most natural thing about us, but we've been taught otherwise - so we don't recognize it until we realize it. This is what Jesus came for: to show us who we really are & how to navigate life.
HE sure did & to DIE for our sins or 10 C's weren't necessary using ur analogy! Why 10 C's TWICE?
IF "ALL" like Christ, why did HE "cast out demons?"
"*YOU'VE* been "taught" otherwise by Catholics! The HOLY SPIRIT "reveals" LIES "man" has insert
How does 1 "receive J as personal Lord & Savior?"
Don't take Rm10:9-10 "literally!"
U can't just believe there is a GOD & GOD "has raised Him for the dead!"
"For w/the heart man believeth [ALL of HIS "rightly divided WORD]...unto salvatio
Wanna get close to God? Stay present (ALL of your energy, attention, intentions, etc.) & think on whatsoever things are true, honest, just, pure, lovely, of good report. If there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
Why do you ONLY quote what you want fm the Bible? If LIES entwined, only "good parts" TRUE? GOD is NEVER angry when HE destroyed w/water? WORD LIED (Heb13:8)? HE doesn't have feelings like us(Heb4:15)?
If God ever destroyed with water, there was a reason: to cause the expansion of souls living here. The reason for 'bad' things is ALWAYS to INSPIRE DESIRE for GOOD. Desires are the 'heart-energy' materials that God creates 'good' in our lives from.
"The reason for 'bad' things is ALWAYS to INSPIRE DESIRE for GOOD." PRECISELY! Justification for "HELL!" "TO INSPIRE DESIRE for GOOD" but WHO CARES when one is "IN CHRIST?"
You worry about "wrong thgs!"
So,"RE-CONNECTION" to THE SPIRIT ONLY!
Non-religious people weren't just "farted from stars" but 'created' by GOD!
If u created a robot; u would expect it to report to u! So it is w/GOD & u WILL eventually report to your CREATOR!
Let's start at the beginning in Genesis, HOW God IMAGINED our world then gave it to Jehovah to CREATE. He created US to continue co-creating thru & with us: http://newthoughtlibrary.com/fillmoreCharles/Myste... Forward is info
ALL SPIRITUAL! Gave it to Jehovah? JEHOVAH IS GOD! IIPet3:8 "One day is as 1K thousand yrs" [w/GOD]! Yes, we're "in HIS image" cuz we have "a spirit" to CONNECT when RIGHT "CHOICE!"GOD doesn't "make us" "CHOOSE" HIM! Do u 'make' ur kids when grown?
Read links I leave or remain ignorant while I keep pointing out your flaws. We could not BREATHE without KoG WITHIN ALL.Fentons translation of Genesis 1:1 "By periods God created that which produced the Suns; then that which produced the Earth."
BREATHE? Yes we became "a living soul" ('mind, will & emotions to "CHOOSE") & "man" chooses what makes happy=EVIL; USUALLY! Why GOD had to come HIMSELF(Ezk22:30)! GOD "waits" for us to come-WILLINGLY; not MAKE us come! Did HE 'make' u come?
God made us EXACTLY like him by 'breathing life' into us. THAT is our KoG within. Jesus came to SHOW people the 'christ-part' of themselves that WAS ALREADY (at that time) just like his: but they didn't know it cuz PAGAN lies put minds in bondage.
I AGREE! "BUT" we MUST "BELIEVE!" Atheist have IT too but don't ACTIVATE via UNBELIEF! Do we agree?
ONLY able to obtain AFTER THE CROSS (Lk17:25) AFTER HE "sent" or CAME BACK as HOLY SPIRIT! Not "born" w/HIS SPIRIT but BELIEF/"WAIT"=CONN
"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." Christ is ALSO 'in heaven'. His SPIRIT remains in heaven WHILE he is 'in the flesh' - original message of Christ: BORN like him!
For the KIZILLIONTH TIME there is ONLY "ONE" SPIRIT who FILLS THE HEAVENS & EARTH=Omnipotent in DIFF "GLORIES!"(Jn3:31)Not "Born like HIM"(Jn3:7)! Why couldn't disciples heal if KoG in them;they BELIEVED! No POWER until AFTER THE CROSS(Acts1:9)!
Lane, it come down to receiving eternal life or not which would mean goodbye forever to your soul.
Wilmiers I'll choose love and take my chances. Thanks for your concern!
Lane, don't take chances; just accept the Son of God as your Savior. If you don't love Jesus, than you are loving the world in vain.
wilmiers, the god you speak of seems more concerned with control and popularity than love. That's not the God I follow and that doesn't seem to be the God that Christ preached about either
Kane, I have been noting on one final condition of God in order to receive eternal life, not the permissive will of God which is under GRACE now. Hope this clears things. The perfect will of God shall make final judgment.
MISFIT: I KNOW there is a heaven AND hell! However, the "MOST IMPORTANT THING" is to be GUIDED by the HOLY SPIRIT & then u won't go wrong & it won't matter if there's a heaven or hell for you will be ONE with CHRIST! It's not about "FIRE IN
MISFIT: Releasing HALF TRUTH is our "TEST" to see if we've "WAITED" for HIS HELP or we will run around like you're doing; "researching" & others who are doing trying to "figure out" if evolution or creation!
If we "WAIT" HE "reveals"which is TRU
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K&T: NWT=Jn 14:26 HS sent "IN MY NAME" (JesusSAY) & Acts 7:51, "..ye RESIST the holy spirit (Sm "h" & "s")!
What kind of "FOOL" would defy HS; "own" Bible (NWT)?
Your "cult" defies JESUS who we "bend our knees" (Phil2:10;NWT) because H
Norine case and point what people you know wake up and sa" Ye are to go to the the store" you use a bible not your language and can not currently or accurately explain the truth from the language spoken in.
Ivan has a good point about you
DEMONS "agree" (Ps119:63;Matt12:26)!
U "FOOL!" Carnal lang differ fm HOLY SPIRIT lang! HS (aka JESUS) makes ALL "ONE" language (Acts2:8) but u wouldn't know this since "cult" doesn't TEACH referring to HIM w/lil "h" & "s!"
That "cult" has TAUGHT u to DENY the POWER (Acts1:8) of HS; losing souls!
Until u do, seems u need "HELP" fm JESUS (aka HS) to "lead & guide u into ALL truth"(Jn14:26)!
Who could've make up that org but Satan to "lose souls?"
Thanks Janice! I give WORD (Matt13) BUT GOD "gives the increase" (I Cor 3:6)!
"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in ALL the world for a witness unto ALL nations; and then shall the end come!"
Jer 31:33-34 "for they shall ALL know me"
Why does God require 'beliefs' about Jesus death & res 'saving' us? If he got the sacrifice he needed... Do you require your kids to 'believe in' anything you've done for them? Why did Jews get stone tablets TWICE & C's got NO 'sinner's praye
GOD "WAS" the sacrifice (Acts20:28)! U believe Jesus & GOD 2 separate ppl (Trinity)? TWICE bcuz Moses' anger (Deut19)!
What "sinner's prayer?" Where's that in Scripture?
GOD you're confused! Sounds like "Catholic" teachings!
Amen. Very true.
And if the heart is full of virtue the kingdom of heaven is granted. As Jesus intended - be as I am, walk as I do. Don't believe in Jesus like a puppet. Be as virtuous as he is. That was his intent. Be the experience that is Jesus.
Jewels, not "Self" full of virtue and integrity, but rather the Spirit, Life of Jesus taking your "Self" place. One must deny self and accept the Son of God to receive eternal life. "Lord,I did many goods works like you; I don't know you said Lord."
Don't deny, embrace. We are whole and so nothing is to be denied. Awareness brings the ability to be aware of the Self yet not be dragged into the external pulls. There is little self, little ego, and there is the real Self, capital S.
Jewels, the "self" concept is a Satanic ideology. http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/ChaplainsHandbo...
Under Basic teachings and Beliefs.
The reason for this is, as Wilmiers pointed out, is that Jesus requires COMPLETE denial of oneself.
Under your beliefs it is, but they are beliefs and not experiences. But it's clear you don't understand what the Self is (capital S.) It has naught to do with the little ego. To place this state of being into a satanic context is misguided.
Jews, that isn't only my beliefs. Those are the beliefs of Satanists as well. What do you mean then when you go on about the "self"?
Jewels, eternal salvation is not a partnership. It's Jesus presenting you perfect after you have denied self and accepted Christ Jesus. Self embraces those things of God selectively for self. Sorry, that won't ever change.
But if it is your personal belief that Jesus is the means to heaven, wouldn't that be a faith in yourself that you've made the right decision?
M.T., faith in self doesn't confirm anything about Eternal God. The substance of faith in Eternal God is confirmation from God.
If faith in god is confirmation of god, then wouldn't faith in something else be a similar confirmation? What makes your faith/god more legitimate than someone else's? Only your faith in self tells you that yours is right.
You misunderstand the meaning of Self (capital S). Whilst you continue to define it as little ego, you just don't understand. Being lumped in with satanists is a terrible copout Claire. It's ignorance and is offensive. Climb out of that handbook.
Then help me understand, Jewels! You didn't answer this: Do you think you are an extension of His divinity or can learn to be? How can you say Christ has been inside of us all along but say it takes years of practice?
ABSOLUTELY YES. I am an extension of God as are you, how could I not be. But the practice is in revealing it underneath all the dross. That's what spiritual practices are for. That's what church is for. That's what Jesus was revealing to you.
M.T., self confirmation and confirmation from God are infinitely different.
Claire,God's Spirit of Truth, Jesus, is there to fight our spiritual battles; He is closer than a sister. Must first recognize Him and accept Jesus as Master of our life.
Jesus led the way for those who wanted to see, he showed you how. He was a human just like you and found the Christ within himself. Believe in yourself and know you can be like him.
Jewels, Jesus is God and human. Christ is Jesus; the embodiment of God. His name is Immanuel, God among us. Jewels, just get yourself out of the way of the Lord and let Him run your life, and you shall be filled with joy.
Let the Lord show you. I'm doing well in the joy department.
Cop out, Jewels. Don't expect me not to accuse you of all sorts of things if you aren't going to clear things up with me.
I answered your question. I'm not sure why you are saying I've coped out Claire? I have kept the same stance throughout these discussions. You are not prepared to step outside of your beliefs. That's not my problem. Have experiences, not beliefs.
You did not answer these questions: Do you think you are an extension of Jesus' divinity or can learn to be? How can you say Christ has been inside of us all along but say it takes years of practice?
Sister Claire, I am in agreement with you. When I say Jesus is in us all I mean the potential of Jesus. "they don't know Him; they can't see Him, but you know Him." For God is every where and His handycraft is shown in all things.
U see K&T! U have "drunk the cool aid" of a "man" (aka "cult"/RELIGION) rather than believing what WORD SAYS!
I told u, GOD (aka HS) can "see" thru ANY "book" Bible included where contradictions by "man" have been "added/deleted!"
you may believe that but a scriptural Christian cannot.
of course.. i know. there's a lot of "cannot's" and "no's" in that sort of view.
Most "religious" people do not believe in Paul's teachings of "The Gospel of Christ" therefore they are "ACCURSED" (Galatians 1:6-9)!
I believe ALL "religious" people are going to HELL!
Norine the Angel makes this clear.
Joh 4:23Re 19:10 At that I fell down before his feet to worship him. But he tells me: “Be careful! Do not do that! I am only a fellow slave of you and of your brothers who have the work of witnessing concerning
"To worship who?" ERROR!
Vs1 says "a great voice of much people" v4 "24 elders & the beast" v5 "And a voice saying Praise our God" (not JESUS talking) v7Lamb is come (not talking) v10 "Get up I'm fellow servant"v11;13;16 GOD (aka JESUS)!
Ivan the chess pieces our us and satan is a sore loser the earth is the board of life ,if we stand on satan side we have already loss ,but the board belongs to our Heavenly Father, the difference is God can restore and undo all damage, satan can not
U "stand on Satan's side" when you believe (as NWT states) "holy spirit" (sm "h" & "s") is NOT JESUS when that same book says JESUS SAID "the Father would send IN MY NAME.."(Jn14:26;NWT)!
What kind of FOOL r u believing a "cult?"
U "drunk the coo
Find a book that has as many "fulfilled prophecies" as the Bible & then tell me "it is not who or what you worship but rather how good of a person you actually are."
JESUS is not "rigid" IF you obey HIS "LAST" command;"WAIT"(Acts1:4) for HIS HEL
Jesus is long overdue, there are no fulfilled prophecies - only more twisting of fear to create dire belief-lies that manipulate. What Does The Book Of Revelation Really Mean? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-carey/revelatio...
NO PROBLEM! Hell & damnation DOESN'T EXIST for BELIEVERS who are "IN CHRIST!"
We don't WORRY or FEAR!
SO? How does 'FEAR' in Revelation apply to those who are "IN CHRIST?"
You believe "history," and I BELIEVE GOD (WORD)!
Is this going to be like the Mithras Prayer you can't explain? Keep ignoring it, N. Its the only way to keep belief-lies in place: fear & ignorance. What Does The Book Of Revelation Really Mean? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-carey/revelatio...
I "KNOW" GOD speaking DIRECTLY to 1 OUTWEIGHS any IGNORANCE! Jer31:34 "And they shall TEACH NO MORE every man his neighbor.." bcuz (Acts 1:2) "HE gives commandments via HS unto those chosen" by "putting HIS laws in our hearts & minds" (Jer31:33)!
Bible verse, blah blah, verse after verse blah blah blah, can't think for myself, blah, going to hell if I do, blah blah, can't believe I was born good, blah blah BLAH, can only experience Spirit thru bible peephole, blah, I worship bondage, blah.
I love the fact that Norine WIlliams trolls religious comments and write hubs in response. Nice gimmick! LOL I was looking at all the comments out of curiosity and I think Norine has trolled them all. Anonymous picture with strong and damaging words.
That's our girl - yup, writing hubs in response to arguments she can't win is her way of 'confirming' the now-questioned but impressive knowledge stored in her head that doesn't jive with the debate. All 'bad' leads to 'good'. She HAS a purpose. :)
lmao.. and this is why i followed you.. btw checked out ur website... pretty good!
Thank you! My website is very neglected. I seriously need to get back to it. Following you, too. Norine & I have been having this conversation for a while and know each other fairly well - & LOVE each other, believe it or not, LoL!. :)
LOL Well, it makes for some interesting reading, that's for sure. I should be doing laundry but I got into reading the comments between you two. lmao
Now that I know how life really works, its fun. I know I frustrate her - she does me sometimes, too. Its how people come to realize any truth: banging heads together thru knowledge. Its how I started to question things. I used to BE her. Scary! :)
U all go on "trying to figure out" as do ur forefathers re: evolution or creation while I continue following the "lead" of the HOLY SPIRIT & see who ends up with "REAL" TRUTH! What's scary you FEAR creating a forum for REAL discussion. Why?
I don't feel a 'real forum' is necessary bcuz *I* already know your side. I could argue it for you. YOU are confused & clueless about what I know - which means, we don't have a common frame of reference to discuss beyond spurts. Read my hub, firs
"AFRAID" of TRUTH; are you? Keep "researching" & you'll ONLY find HALF TRUTH which is NONE! GOD (aka HOLY SPIRIT) is the ONLY ONE who has REAL TRUTH!
Now call that "A LIE!"
Amen! Eph 2:8-9!
MF: I believe some Scriptures were changed by "the council" but GOD "revealed" via the HOLY SPIRIT!
All J wants us to know is HE loves us & wants us to love HIM w/ALL our heart(Jn14:15) then HE'LL "reveal" via our "FAITH"(Rm1:1
No bible needed to distort your thinking, Norine. God didn't need a book written for him/Jesus 300 years AFTER he died - only men needed it in order to manipulate & control masses of pagans through FEAR.
"FEAR" is defined as "RESPECT" in *my* vocabulary! I "KNOW" HE LOVES ME! No one had to tell me HE would "put me in hell" for me to "RESPECT" a GOD who created the entire universe. Whose that IGNORANT?
IF so, it lead me to the BEST THING EVER!
Just as the Children of Israel "provoked" & was grieved 40yrs; they BELIEVED NOT & COULD NOT ENTER BECAUSE OF "UNBELIEF" so it is with us! "WORKS" (doing good) will NEVER 'save!' One "MUST" BELIEVE & let *HIM* (HAVE "FAITH") do as HE SAI
God doesn't punish - that is a concept from many manmade religions. God can only create & see good cuz 'bad' only exists in this temporary learning realm to inspire 'good' desires for our soul to 'grow into' either in this life or after body dies
U can believe what u like but GOD doesn't "wink at ignorance" after HE came & died(Acts20:28)! One MUST BELIEVE! JESUS was GOD in flesh & you said evidence HE was here! HE DIED! HE only ask u to show LOVE by obeying commandments(Jn14:15)! 2m
J was God in the flesh & so R we. THAT was his real message: we R like him. He may even have died bcuz someone nailed him to a cross 4 trying to teach peeps the reality of their existence: but not to save already-safe, eternal souls from 'sin'.
We ARE NOT " already-safe, eternal souls" if we don't BELIEVE & "put on CHRIST"(Gal5:27)! We ARE NOT born that way(Ps51:5)! The world wouldn't be "fluffed up" if that were true!
I don't know what you mean by 'fluffed up' LoL! We R 'already-safe, eternal souls', THAT was Jesus' original message: you don't need Mithras, you don't need Apollo, you don't need to sacrifice animals: you're just like me: God in the flesh. :)
You're confusing "a spirit" ALL have with "THE SPIRIT" I am NOT "just like you" bcuz "I BELIEVE" which means TOTALLY "relying on GOD!" They w/held half the Bible, what makes u think they didn't w/hold TRUTH to create mess & release only HALF TRU
"what makes u think they didn't w/hold TRUTH to create mess" DUH! That's what I'm saying. You still have it in your head that you NEED to believe obvious lies twisted into J's story to unite pagans - is somehow ALSO 'the truth'. Makes no sense.
I already KNOW they did to gain time to confuse peeps like you who do not RELY "TOTALLY" on "revelation" fm GOD! GOD "KNEW" this too, & why we should "WAIT" for HIS HELP or will run amuck like you! TEST
TRUTH is WORD! Paul told u! Gal1:6-9!
Natural love is not GOD'S LOVE (AGAPE)! Could you love someone who killed someone you loved? IF you BELIEVE there's a GOD, you MUST BELIEVE on HIS Son; JESUS(aka WORD)! "Assemble yourselves"(Heb10:25)! "Being good" won't get to heaven. Atheist are
Shut UP, Norine!! Get OUT of this question or I will BOMBARD you with more logic that you can't handle while the good people who continue to read this continue to make & alter spiritual realizations & decisions. Go start your own damn questio
Let us try to be nice that is God's real way. God loves us enough to provide Jesus. Without Him none of us stand a chance. It is pure grace and only grace. The ONLY way to the Father is through the Son!
WoW CAT! What have I done? Tell him u can;t "be good" as some Atheist are & make it in? UNTIL u believe the Holy Spirit "leads & guides" you DEFY SCRIPTURE!
You're right Damian "GRACE!"
Go "STUDY" Scripture vs "science"CAT!
My intention IS to defy your STUPID brainwashing book - and thanks so much for the extra push, Damian. I guess this is where I need to be: keeping this question on TOP of HP's site while continuing to correct Norine's belief-lies. Spotlight Hub is ON
CAT: If I believe LIES so do u! U "CONNECTED" then Something told u; LIES! SO *YOU* set out to find out thru "SCIENCE" whereas *I* "LET THE SPIRIT LEAD ME!"U're not there yet! IF there is GOOD (GOD), there is EVIL (Satan)! Up/down;cold/hot! CHOICE!
Again, God created you with a brain AND Spirit for a reason: so you could use them both while you're down here. God is ENERGY, not a 'man-person' sitting on a literal throne, somewhere. Human beliefs including religions R only relevant to humans.
NOTHING in heaven is "carnal!" HE SURE ISN'T a "man-person" sitting beside HIS "Big daddy!" There is ONE SPIRIT which is HOLY & IF we want to RECONNECT we MUST attain HIS SPIRIT! We disagree we are just like HIM w/o BELIEF,NO RELIANCE on HIM!
There is only 'reliance on Him': as we learn how to become the CREATORS we were meant to be. Jesus showed people thru miracles 'how to do it' & we are JUST like him w/KoG CONNECTED. Roman pagan beliefs were OLD. Jesus taught REAL truth beyond lie
IF KoG in disciples & they were JUST LIKE JESUS, why couldn't they heal sick, raise dead BEFORE "The Cross"(Lk17:25)?
Why Jesus say "You must be born of water (mama) & Spirit (HS) or can't enter KoG"(Jn3:7)?
norine said; "Could you love someone who killed someone you loved?"
Job did, didnt he? so i guess it's not impossible. unless that story is fake too.
"God is energy" I like that, Catherine. So how do you think that fits in with the 'heaven' idea?
Heaven certainly exists bcuz we return to our natural 'just like God' FULLY-REALIZED state of 'being' when we die. We R eternal mini-Universes, divine models 'in the image' of God. If you scroll down in my spotlight hub, you'll come to that info.
U ever heard of "Opposites; up/down; heaven/hell? Unless one BELIEVES you'll find out! CAT Why do you keep referring to your HUB as *my* "spotlight HUB?" If you're working for GOD, shouldn't u give HIM "THE GLORY?" Pride?
Q:Why couldn't disciples
The only way to the Father is through the Son. The Only way.
JB: NOPE! Even a "nice guy" who DOESN'T BELIEVE (Heb3:19) "will not enter!"
Problem: MOST "Christians" are "too lazy" to STUDY Scripture to find out WHAT to BELIEVE!
Yes Damian "through the Son" who gave us the "GIFT" of "GRACE" (Eph2:8-9)!
Nope. You all need to get up to date with the new-old translation of "I am the way, the truth and the life, etc." Christians are leading that 'movement', themselves; and every other C should be aware of it. Also, the new C perspectives on Paul.
Sure do! U included! I (aka HOLY SPIRIT; Jn 14:26 "IN MY NAME") AM the way (SPIRIT;Jn4:23-24) the truth (Jn1:14) and life(ICor1:30)! U "UPDATED" now? If so, start BELIEVING HIS PROMISES!
What's "the new C perspectives on Paul?"
Norine then why was your reply starting off with the same
words. He says !Tom Ware (Tusitala Tom) says
I'm inclined to believe that there were - and still are but to a lesser degree - .
Then you write under his name MF you dont believe '''"
Did u see me address MF (MISFIT)? Why must u continue to "try & discredit" TRUTH (aka Scribes/Pharisees)? Why make yourself appear to be Satan? Weren't they? RELIGIOUS PPL! Always "better than anyone else!" I ONLY tell TRUTH & ppl can take
But you know something, Norine? What I find so interesting is that Pope Francis has even said that atheists can make it into heaven. Coming from the highest-ranking clergyman in the Vatican, that statement sounds like some pretty powerful stuff.
TYPICAL "lying Catholics!" That's EXACTLY why there are so many Ex-Christians trying to "Debunk Salvation!" RELIGION telling ALL "We're ALL sinners" Rm3:23) but didn't CONTINUE READING!
Next Homosexuals will go to heaven if left up to Pope!
Ivan people are fooled who is doing what,
They think the Father is causing bad things but it is satan who hates humans and is trying to destroy us all. But he wants God the Father to do it.
We are tested on things and weaknesses not what we thin
K&T: You are "fooled" because you don't believe Jesus is the Holy Spirit when Jn 14:26 says "The Father will send IN MY NAME" & don't believe Gal 1:6-9 The Gospel of Christ!
Norine King James of 1600's deleted. The Tetragrammaton that is YHWH this is Jehovah 's name.Jesus read his name out of Isaiah 61:1-2, If Jesus read it and pronouced it and respected God's personal name then who is a person who rejects it .
IF there is ONE GOD (Eph 4:4-6) & HE "doesn't share HIS GLORY with another" (Is 48:11) why are we going to "bend our knees" to JESUS (Phil2:10; NWT)?
You are going to have to give in account for "leading HIS sheep astray" (Jer23:1)!
Norine we need Jesus stamp of approval to enter before Jehovah.
That is why evey prayer must be in Jesus name.Without out it Jehovah does not accept your message of concerns.Especially if you know better.But all our prayers Jehovah gets. Like mail
JESUS is "THE MEDIATOR" which is our arbitrator to the SAME SPIRIT! JESUS came into sinful world (less than a father to man hence Son) but the SAME SPIRIT in the GLORY of the man JESUS CHRIST!
Where is your Holy Spirit to help you "see?"
ONLY through JESUS!
Philter 12, we just have to go for essence of everything. As you need fruit, you do not uproot whole tree so you must pick up what is appropriate to your common sense and conscience. I feel enchanted to read your comment. God bless you.
Jesus did not mean that HE was 'the way' - he meant that his christos within (that exists with all) is the way. He was showing people they didn't NEED the pagan salvation of Mithras or Apollo, etc. The Jewish Law Jesus fulfilled was Kabbalah.
It's in us BUT we have to "flip the switch" by BELIEVING & having "FAITH" in HIS PROMISES!
Paul was "chosen" (Acts 9:15) to tell us how to "flip the switch" or Kabbalah (aka "receive") the spirit in us which lies dormant w/o BELIEF!
Right & in fact, 'evil' souls also go to heaven cuz 1) sin has a different purpose than most know; 2) hell doesn't exist, 'heaven' is only place for our life energy/soul to go. We R spirits having a human experience - not other way around. :)
JESUS SAID "If you love me KEEP MY COMMANDS"(Jn14:15) like HE SAID "the KoG is w/in u" (Lk17:25) "but 1st I must suffer"! Why believe part? Ex: The Good Samaritan! We must EXCEED his righteousness (Matt5:20) which can ONLY be done with HELP!
Nope. You don't know the true scope of Jesus' commands bcuz your brain is convinced ONLY your verson of the bible - as it has been misinterpreted by Christians for several accidentally-human reasons - is right. Spotlight hub 2 more complete info.
Nope! U don't know JESUS' Message "I will remember there sins no more" (Jer31:33-34) by "GRACE"(Eph2:8-9) "full of GRACE & TRUTH" (Jn1:14)!
You make GOD SAD! HE DIED for "We are FREE Message" ("GRACE") & *u* doubt HIM (WORD; "lead & guid
Again, Jesus did not die for THAT tired, yet another 'only son of god' 'savior resurrect for sins' Mithras et al crap. He died to SAVE people from those specific PAGAN LIES that put them into spiritual bondage. YOU insult him by NOT questioning them.
GOD came "in flesh" (ITim3:16)to set us FREE from EVERYTHING via GRACE (Eph2:8-9)! U can say "fm pagan lies" but that's not all! We are FREE fm ALL just like Christ AFTER "the anointing" (aka "born again;" aka the CONNECTION)! Religion w/o=BONDAGE!
Again, Jesus did not die for THAT SAME tired, yet another 'only son of god' 'savior resurrect for sins' Mithras et al crap. Christians currently believe the same message Jesus was trying to save past pagan's from. Talk about sacrilegious deception!
Are you "the antiChrist" (IJn2:22)? You sad there is EVIDENCE that JESUS was here yet say HE's not 'the Savior?" Didn't you say HE "saved from pagan lies?" Then HE'S "Savior!"
Case & Point: CONNECT! Scripture testifies of Itself! LIES "reveale
Technically, he did save peeps from pagan lies for the 1st few decades (disciples & Paul helped) or so after he died while his message was still fresh & correct. It was later when Rome's pagan leaders twisted their beliefs in to unite pagan m
I don't worry because I have experienced the HOLY SPIRIT "reveals" but you have DOUBT making you UNHOLY!
We've talked about your unholy judgments, Norine. You're not the only one who has profound spiritual experiences & your obtuse insistance to force proven untruths meant to divert the attention of God's children is just a trick of light. Research.
How does this "trick of light" give dreams, visions, foretell future, heal, laying on of hands, etc? How can "trick" REVEAL errors in Scripture? How can "trick" take away unrighteous desires? What's closer to righteousness RELY on GOD or "research?
Dreams & visions are only 'proof' that you have a brain. LOTS of non-religious peeps experience them from their personal persective; and 'unrighteousness' is a pagan concept that God doesn't even SORT of acknowledge. We were taught sin is wrong.
Norine...What does the bible say about judgmental people who think they are right and are not open for interpretation of ancient words written before our time? What does it say about putting yourself above others? Just curious! ;)
MF: Do they dream what's in Bible & u didn't know was there; then dream fulfilled? There's a diff btwn "we" (in Christ) & we (not)! We (not) are taught "sin" via 10 C's! "We" have NO SIN!
Grv: Google "Is It Right to Judge?"
"Thorn in flesh!
Not "questionable," IF we "OBEY" (Jn14:15)! HE told us to "WAIT"(Acts1:4) for "HELP"(Jn14:26) of HOLY SPIRIT to "lead & guide us"-IF we BELIEVE!
Yes, ONLY "through HIS Spirit"(Titus2:11-12"TEACHING") IF we've "WAITED" (Acts1:4)!
Is 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." God is all things including 'good' & 'bad' - JUST like us. We are his kids as much as Jesus. What parent requires 'belief'? None, not
'Tho HE "created" evil (+*ALL*) HE IS NOT "EVIL" as 'man!' Comparing GOD to "just like man," is BLASPHEMY! Is45:8 "...let the skies pour down RIGHTEOUSNESS..." Is57:15"..I dwell on a high & holy place..in order to REVIVE the spirit" Why?
You are RIGHT, Norine! Ding, ding ding! God can only create good cuz that's all he is; BUT he uses 'evil' to inspire good. If you're sad, you DESIRE to be happy; if you're sick, you DESIRE to be well. This is the purpose of 'bad' & 'evil' things.
Therefore, we are NOT "just like HIM!" We "DO" evil! Ur "theory" has already been proven wrong cuz disciples couldn't heal until HS sent why Lk 17:25 HE had to FIRST "suffer" & send (Jn14:26;16:13)! ONLY WAY like HIM "WAIT" (Acts1:4)!
Disciples were healing & casting out demons LONG B4 the HS was supposedly sent. They were not able to heal until they could believe in the TRUTH about themselves & everyone else: That we R just like Jesus. It was easier for them since they ha
"But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of GOD, then the kingdom of GOD is come unto you" (Matt12:28) JESUS TALKING! Why "come" IF "in?"
ONE "MUST" BELIEVE" or KoG not "ACTIVATED!" Until BELIEF, not like JESUS!
Brian very interesting answer, but let's look beyond our planet
Earth, there exist heavenly space ,as where the sun, moon,stars hang. There are countless stars not discovered, but they exist. You are right about hell, but we look up into heavens
Kiss, I am looking beyond our planet. The heavens, in the secular term, are what you described, the moon, the planet, and the stars. I certainly believe in the reality of our existence in a vast universe. My reservations are with the religious ideals
Brian my point is you say there is no Heaven , Heaven is a location as we know it as space that contains the luminaries , religion is about God or gods of worship, you may doubt religous belief, but you can not in what is the moon , stars , sun .
You make no sense, K&T. What does the moon & stars have to do with heaven? They are as 'real' as we are, which makes them easy to believe in.
MF, go answer my Q "What Does it Mean to be "Born Again" (Jn3:5-7) & why did Jesus say If not, "...he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (v5) if KoG ALREADY IN US?
being 'born again' means absolutely nothing to sane sensible people, but I'm sure it means a helluva lot to you, norine.
I'm glad you're "sane & sensible," Ivan!
Now when you're on your death bed, see how much all of that "sanity & sense" will get you! When you're ready to enter into the Spiritual world (and you will), then what?
I'm already in heaven here with my family & being on my deathbed won't change my mind about anything because I'm okay with death as its a NATURAL course of ALL living things. only fools believe they can beat death by sucking up to any so called g
J said U can't enter the KoH without being 'born again' BEFORE he actually died. In same verses, "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." When did J's spirit split off?
I: U say that NOW; but wait!
MF: J's Spirit NEVER "split!" I've been saying there is "ONE" Spirit all alone; so NO "TRINITY" (aka "Persons" when Spirit?)!
How do u get "born again" CAT? And w/o; NO KoG! Why we have to "SEEK" (Matt6:33)!
what about enoch, Catherine. the bible says that because of his righteousness god took him. and what about the saints? according to the bible they're already in heaven.
Yes, but self good won't get you eternal life. One can taste eternal life here and now, but you must have taken Jesus to heart.
Jesus is cool, he doesn't want you to just read the scriptures. He wants you to walk in his shoes, do as he did. That means be as Jesus is, means plenty of good karma and no judgment of other peoples beliefs.
Jewels, Jesus is cool. Most people are standing outside the banquet room taking passouts without entering and partaking of the feast.
So make sure you be as he is and not read everything and believe it like a sheep. Believing scriptures and misunderstanding, then regurgitating the misunderstanding is bad karma. Mariteslausin is right.
No offense, but I don't believe Jesus could be described as cool. He is holy.
Isn't holy cool Claire?
No! Being cool is keeping up with the latest trends, for example, or being anti-social. People who are fallible are cool, not Jesus.
God is cool, Jesus is cool, Christ is cool. It's all cool.
"Religion" (WORKS; Jm 2:27) is in contradiction to the "Spiritual" covenant that we are currently under! If Jesus said HE (aka Holy Spirit) would "lead & guide us" why do YOU "work?"
If so many different races and beliefs - religious and otherwise - exist; God obviously ADORES diversity and thrives in it. 'Scaring' people into believing in a doctrine is done by people in power to control & manipulate the masses. Yeah, BULLSH*
Do u not know Scripture? READ II Kgs 17:29-41! Does he "ADORE" adversity?
You have no "wisdom" of GOD MISFIT! Who wouldn't fear One whose thunderstorm has enough electricity to light up NY for a year? One thunderstorm!
I don't have a problem believing that God is enough energy to light up the entire world BEYOND NY City. It is your force-fed 'belief' that people NEED to 'believe in' Jesus for salvation that is bs. Nothing but multiple, distorted pagan lies.
JESUS told me to tell u "But if I do, though ye believe me not, BELIEVE THE WORKS: that ye may know, & BELIEVE, that the Father is in ME, & I in HIM"(Jn10:38)! Once we "CONNECT," we don't have to worry about 'save' or 'hell' for it's "IRRELEV
Saying Jesus told you to tell me whatever is not going to work, Norine. You've got every Christian witnessing trick down pat, don't you? Just DON'T THINK! Hmmm... Where DID that Prayer of Mithras come from & WHY is Imperial Cult so similar? Woops
Listen girl I didn't go to school to learn this! If it's "down pat" I give GOD the GLORY!
Again, "I BELIEVE" ("lead & guide"), have exp'd & therein lies the diff! Who cares about "prayer" man made up after holding back TRUTH? U're a FOOL to
I'm not going to get into a tit for tat about who has the most spiritual experience. I didn't go to school to learn this stuff, either & neither did most other Christians who have discovered it. It is your ignorance that accuses me of lying.
It is your "ignorance" that accuses GOD of LYING when HE SAID *HE* would "lead & guide us into ALL truth!"
What's worst? Me BELIEVING GOD or you believing *man?*
That shows whose IGNORANT!
I do NOT accuse God of LYING, Norine - I accuse your STUPID, brainwashing book! FYI, for anyone who is listening: THIS is my BIGGEST PROBLEM with dogmatics, they have absolutely NO RESPECT for God within us ALL who needs NO propaganda to exist!
U went to "school" (Researched man) to learn!
The Book is our instruction on how to "RECONNECT" to THE SPIRIT & if you call THE SPIRIT "stupid book," you blaspheme!
*HE* SAID HIS "WORD will not come back VOID" & U deny *HE* will "lead &
And if we LOVE HIM for doing that, we should "obey HIS commandments" (Jn 14:15)!
That's the "basic idea!"
Most C's are taught: every time we sin, we nail Jesus to the cross all over. Guilt, much?! You don't understand 'sin': "they know not what they do". That isn't what his death was about. J came to OBLITERATE this tired OLD pagan mindset.
Who has that "mindset?" I'M RIGHTEOUS BY FAITH (Rm3:22)!
HOLY SPIRIT "CONVICTS!" You don't want to "sin!" Did HE not say "I will remember their sins no more"(Jer31:34;Heb8:12)under the New Covenant? David said "As far as the east is fm the west"
Tim! Answer my recently posted Q: "What Does It Mean To "Be Born Again?"
There are many ways to Jesus, but there is only way to God; eventually you must pass thru Jesus for eternal salvation. Souls that lived a good life shall be resurrected after the 2nd Coming, and taught Jesus. If they say this is my Ideal. than...OK.
Great words CDoyle. There are many ways to find the God within you. Don't look externally or you'll miss it. Virtue will get you everywhere. Honoring a false god is what is taught by major religions, ie something external to yourself.
Jewels, fine for within but God is omnipresent, and His Spirit of Truth proceeds from the external also. You are missing most of God; especially the traditional knowledge assessed during eons of time. Sorry.
No apology necessary wilmiers77. I am totally okay with the omnipresent part of myself that is God. If you want traditional knowledge assessed during eons of time you must go to the dream time of the aborigine, not the bible. The bible is very young
Jewels, I was thinking in terms of theology, like in the beginning. Man was created eons before the bible came into existence, but there is harmony.
Traditional god is found within. It is a state of being, not external knowledge via a book. Find a religion that teaches you to experience this essence. You won't regret it.
Jewels, this is what we are referring to when we say the Holy Spirit. "The letter of the law kills, but the spirit of the law is life (within each and all)." After all is said and done, Self must bow out.
Again there is a misunderstanding of the term Self, not to be confused with the little ego.
Jewels, my belief is that the true "Self" is a state after receiving Jesus as Lord and Savior; even though, each Self (Individual) has a mansion in God's Kingdom and remains unique. Each have a Comforter from God in the Name of Jesus for now.
Now, have you experienced it? Do you know what it feels like? I have myself, I'm asking you have you had the tangible experience. Not a belief but an experience? Void of external senses, do you know what it feels like?
Jewels, of course, we all that have received Jesus had the experience, and I have been living as such. Although, I continually search the scriptures for more knowledge of God. And, bring this knowledge to my daily life experiences and interactions.
MF: And I will continue to "obey" HIS commands" & BELIEVE in HIS WORD until HE speaks to me (which HE does;Acts 1:2) & tells me otherwise (Jer31:34;Heb8:11)!
I AM "GRATEFUL;" "THANKFUL" & you should be too!
If so, u certainly don't show
Its a matter of perspective: I am thankful, VERY thankful that the Spirit revealed the truth to me that I was craving. I used to be like you, N. That's why I can present the opposing case so well. Spirit does this through my head, heart & hands.
Not "a matter of PERSPECTIVE," but allowing HIM do as HE SAID "lead & guide" not *YOU!* By *YOU* doing so, shows NO GRATITUDE & UNBELIEF! How do u think they made it before record of paganism involved? THE HS SHOWED THEM not *THEIR* research
I think Jesus taught all kinds of things we don't have access to - thanks to the destruction of hundreds of pre-bible gospels. Y does Jesus have the same story as Mithras, Horus & the Imperial Cult? God doesnt insist on 'beliefs' people do.
I know HE did (Jn21:25) but HS "tells us" doesn't HE? IF we are "connected!"
Man can change Bible all they want but HS doesn't LIE & will 'reveal' IF you BELIEVE!
Yes we exist on ONE "Belief"' & if not in HIS POWER=DEATH!
Norine, for the kazillionth time - if you would just read my spotlight hub ONCE instead of glancing thru it for ways you can debunk it, you would know what I know instead of being mad at me. You are angry for no good reason. *I* LOVE J!!
I'm not angry @u! U believe man used paganism to create 'salvation' for control of ppl! It's OK "IF" they did!
MF "for the kazillionth time" JESUS (aka HOLY SPIRIT) "PROMISED" HE'D "lead & guide us into ALL truth" & that's enough for me!
Jennifer, do you think words such as you speak are yours ? No, dear, such a language is being spoken by you because God loves it the most. That is why, speaking nice, acting good and thinking sublime is like residing in Heaven and reverse is Hell.
Ivan Mr 15:38 And the curtain of the sanctuary was torn in two from top to bottom.
Mr 15:39 he said: “Certainly this man was God’s Son
Why do your books erase all these important events and say Jesus was just a common person . because
JESUS "IS" GOD but presented HIMSELF in the "GLORY" of "man" to relate to unspiritual people ("man") who w/o Holy Spirit; can't "see" (Matt13:10-13)!
When did you receive baptism of the Holy Spirit K&T?
GOD "always" places us where we are to be to "draw us to HIM" after "looking @ the heart!"
There R good reasons for 'bad' things to happen. They R designed to cause a DESIRE that is meant to expand your soul - you're supposed to 'reach for' your desire using the bad stuff to 'push off'. You're NOT unworthy, you're right - BLESSING!
On this we AGREE!
TEST e.g. throughout Scripture (Adam & Eve, Abraham, Moses, Jonah, David, on & on)! TEST!
Why u don't BELIEVE; *HE* will "lead & guide into "ALL" truth" (Jn14:26)? TEST!
U better than them, even JESUS?
Mary I think you meant If one is not "religious" they are not bound for hell; because "Christians" or SUPPOSED TO BE followers of Christ or Disciples of Christ who we are SUPPOSED TO model!
"So, no, if one is not a Christian they are not bound for hell." NOT TRUE! The ONLY WAY to the Father is through JESUS CHRIST (aka HOLY SPIRIT) Jn14:6! Definition of "Christian" is CHRIST follower or Disciple!
No CHRIST-No GOD!
In the Scriptures, however, “Gehenna” (“hell,” AV)—all incredible myths to the contrary notwithstanding—does not speak of “the place of the eternal torments of the damned.” Instead, it refers to an actual place on earth, namely, the valley (or “ravin
Hell is real; The Eternal Lake of Fire. Yes, Gehenna(?) was used as a reference to God's Hell, a manifestation of God's hell. It was a garbage dump that continually burned located on the outside of town.
MISFT: "Thus saith the LORD; CURSED be the man that trusteth in man ("Science"), and maketh flesh his arm, & whose heart DEPARTETH from the LORD" (Jeremiah 17:5)!
That's ridiculous. Man does NOT = Science. If U knew how brilliant & CREATIVE we really R in our fully-realized, god-like state of 'being'; U would know that WE humans thru our SAME christos Christ possessed - created ALL religions & sciences
PRECISELY! "MAN" created ALL RELIGIONS & SCIENCE!
What "FOOL" would take that mess over THE SPIRIT (aka GOD)?
GOD doesn't need *your* *man's* or *science's* help and for *you* to THINK HE DOES *denies* HIS POWER (Acts 17:23-25)!
FOOLS like U who insist on ignoring the science that PROVES God's VERY existence; WHILE insisting Bible's life-sucking & destructive pagan 'salvation' smears that Jesus came to CORRECT in peoples minds - based on MULTI & PREVIOUS Roman 'gods'
If you are *IGNORANT* enough to believe "man's* educated guesses (Science) over GOD, who's the FOOL?
You don't know what JESUS' Message was! "GRACE!" Do you know what that is? If not, "STUDY!"
"GRACE" gives SAME MSG u talk; "WE ARE gods!"
"rational reflection?" Prov 3:5! Do u know u have a spirit which is connected to GOD? Move fm "physical realm" into "spiritual realm" ABOVE "man's thinking" for maturity!
Excellent advice. We are expressions of 'Source'. Human languages, actions & ideals have no meaning, can only 'read hearts' - bcuz he/she is pure positive energy, just as we are in our non-physical form. You ARE a soul, you have a temporary body.
You are a spirit that MUST "reconcile" to GOD by BELIEVING!
Norine I stopped talking to you long time ago , and at this time. I feel no different, tell me and the rest when Did Jesus tell you to call people MFs. You see you are not from Jesus. Go get some help.
lol! U are sooooo IGNORANT! Is her handle not MISFIT(aka MF)?
Until u can tell when u were "born again" (aka filled w/the HOLY SPIRIT), NOTHING u say has substance! U need ito "elevate ur mind" & stop acting like Scribes/Pharisees "seeking err!
Norine I would give you the benefit or doubt , but you have this habit of name calling , and kicking A.
Your statment is not under misfit . So you are a liar too.
I see u (on this Q) speaking to Ivan under another's Resp! Why can't I? K&T, it's time "someone" tell TRUTH about ALL these diff LYING RELIGIONS! Why so MANY "Ex-Christians!" GOD sent me cuz HE KNEW, I don't care&TELL TRUTH fm WORD(IICor1
"(I) say live life the way you feel is right and what makes you happy." Is exactly why the world is what it is today = Evil = Not "believing" in GOD!
Religions (not just Christianity) are falling away all over the place because people are starting to wake up and see that 'its been too long' - and still no Jesus in the clouds. MANY Christians are discovering his real message. Read spotlight hub.
Misfit Angels are spirit bodies that do not necessarily have to be seen by our eyes,
They see us good, just like oygen is not seen .But it's there.
Jesus in the clouds does not mean he is not present.Just as the sun is far up , it's present
"Religions" are FULFILLING SCRIPTURE & will DIE!
READ II Pet 3:1-13! Aren't you "FULFILLING?"
"Many "proclaimed" Christians" have taken it upon themselves to "try & figure it out" as u but READ v9!
K&T: She's talking "Second coming!" Y
Matt 28:19 "Go ye therefore & TEACH ALL NATIONS" does that sound like disciples of Christ are to "sit quietly?"
You "sit quietly" & watch "As the stomach turns" & try to figure out which "rocks you'll beg to fall on u"(Rev6:16) when JES
You are a follower of Christ, you are believer of god not me.
You beg rock to fall on u, i don't need to beg.
U didn't get here by yourself & u won't leave by yourself (talking spirit)!
Your CREATOR will return & you will be SHOCKED!
U can "pretend" there's no death too, but it's inevitable as well!
This is where Norine & C-fanatics enjoy a power trip: making sure people are aware of incorrect, fear-based beliefs that they are DOOMED! Nope! We're not 'bad sinners' NONE of us are: we're eternal souls in temporary body 4 soul expansion. NO TES
check this video out who follow god..
Not a bad video, but this is the one that addresses the deception of 'the ultimatum' of salvation: "You Send Yourself To Hell" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaJgLBoB_Pw Here you go, Norine. :)
Check this video. This will explain my point accurately what is God.
CM: John 10:36-38!
MF: Did u watch video? Do u see who u are in agreement with - Satan?
I Cor 10:21 "You can not eat @ the LORD'S table & Satan's!"
No can watch vid? Imagine: I put a gun to your head & insist you 'believe in me' or I will shoot you. You bow to my will so I won't kill you. How much 'free will' was involved in that situation? Control thru fear is only reason for 'salvation'
Reverse that thought: Imagine "obeying" & obtaining HIS POWER (raise dead, heal sick, prosperous, FREE etc) in this life w/NO WORRIES of "hell,' 'salvation' or ANYTHING else! "Woops!"
Now that I clearly understand what J was teaching, I know we already have our own POWER to be FREE of death, sickness & there is no damnation. Hell is where Mithras & other 'saviors' sent their 'believers'. J's message was MUCH more powerful.
Catherine Mostly: To whom you are refering "J's" here IN (J's message was MUCH more powerful)..
J = Jesus. His original message that is twisted with pagan dogma is so much more powerful & freeing than the imposed belief-lies stolen from previous 'saviors'. J was 'just a human': simply 'enlightened' as we can CHOOSE to become or not.
"Simply enlightened" (aka "born again"Jn3:7) is ONLY when we "CHOOSE" to BELIEVE (Jn10:38) in HIM!
Scripture WILL NEVER "LOSE MESSAGE!"
Jesus Christ WAS NOT "just a human" but GOD "in the flesh" (Jn1:14;ITim3:16)!
STOP "LYING" to peeps!
No lying, Jesus WAS 'God in the flesh' JUST like we are! No pagan 'salvation' of Mithras needed. tinyurl.com/MLKjrStudy READ! Martin Luther King, Jr. STUDIED & KNEW how Mithras was twisted into Christianity. BRAIN + SPIRIT leads to TRUTH.
Even those who "did many wonderful works in HIS name;" Jesus did not know (Matt7:22) so how is "John Doe" going to make it?
Stop "fooling yourself" for "peace of mind" but "STUDY" (II Tim2:15)!
Norine you hate religion because you are a bad example to Jesus ministry and purpose. Calling people curse words is not loving , but demonic . you need some medical mental help. Some where you had a breakdown.
If you KNEW JESUS, you'd know HE hates it too! U "judge" w/o WORD so "your opinion" (dung)! U see how u'vE IGNORANTLY "judged" me about cussing? SAME w/EVERYTHING else u've (not WORD) judged me in err!
U need more than "mental help; U NEED JESUS!
Do you mean "because they desired to worship God Almighty & did not desire to rest & enjoy the pleasures of this world will result in Armageddon?"
The purpose of the question was to highlight the backwards morality of religion. Condemning good people to eternal torment doesn't sound like something a peaceful god would want.
Good question, MT, I totally agree with you.
Religion isn't about morality. It is about worshiping a God you believe in and following His teachings.
MT: "..backwards MORALITY of religion?" GOD is not moral, but "JUST"=diff! Did ur mom's punishment "SEEM" moral? NO! But it was JUST! So it is w/GOD! Who told u HE was "peaceful?" HE SAID "Do not SUPPOSE..." Matt 10:34!
People are allowed to make their own choices and decisions but it's satan that makes accusations about us that we should die forever. So the tests is what we make it to be,like we may know something is wrong but do our body control us more do wron
You won't "die forever" but will BLAZE IN FIRE "eternally" (Lk 16:24) IF u don't BELIEVE (Gal 1:6-9)!
Does perish mean torment and suffering for eternity? Seems likethe people going to this "hell" have more imperishability than believers. They are tormented and suffer yet never die. Those in heaven are living a much healthier life so it's no miracle.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
If your name is not written in the book of life, you will be cast into the lake of fire.
SirDent, with utmost respect, I sense that you strictly go by the book and accepts the words without interpretation. Do you agree that people like me decipher different meaning of those words. Are we wrong ?
Harishprasad, 2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Sirdent, I am really indebted to you for such a valid response. Thank you very much.
Harishprasad, do you realize what I wrote earlier? Do you understand that scriptures are not to be interpreted privately?
Sirdent, I don't agree to it, rather I will seek inerptetation not one but as many as possible so as to arrive at the closest and truthful one appealing to my intellect. I have my own way of looking at religious text and I am very much firm in it.
Harishprasad, when you say you have your own way of looking at it, you are depending upon yourself to interpret or to make your own way. How can a flawed human get in contact with God?
Sirdent, this is not fair, you are being selective and just avoid assessing the whole content of my comment, to indulge in semantics is not the game of the wise.
Haishprasad, I am limited to what I can say here in comments. Only allowed to write a few words. Many of my previous comments were too long and I had to edit them. I am not playing games, I assure you.
Ivan the Heavenly Father has the ability to save any life he wishes , even if one should die he can live again.
Mt 10:28And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; when God made us ,he certainly can return life.
ONLY "returns life" IF one BELIEVES "The Gospel of Christ" (Gal 1:6-9)!
Djaak, our good is relative. God's good is absolutely perfect. No one is perfect whether considered good in this world or not. Jesus must present you perfect to God. He can because he died to pay our sin debt.
"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today & forever"(Heb13:8) & is "before the world was"(Jn17:5);then GOD & "killed in Old Testament;" then kills "yesterday, today & forever!"
Rev6:17"the great day of HIS "WRATH" is come;& who sha
mjKearn, what God did He can easily do it again; even we can repeat what we have already done. After life is no problem with God. The Spirit of God is life; not death. Only Eternal God can destroy a soul spirit that He created.
Ivan YHWH speaks to us all and since you only believe in the Torah you van still learn alot from Moses books which is the first five books Gen - Deut.
The problem I have is how to you present yourself to YHWH when you do not have a temple with
How can one receive "DIRECT COMMUNICATION" from GOD w/o the baptism of the Holy Spirit? When did you receive your baptism K&T?
"Ivan YHWH speaks to us all and since you only believe in the Torah you van still learn alot from Moses books which is the first five books Gen - Deut."
I never said I believed any of it. The 1st 5 books ARE the Tora. The NT was commissioned by a man
"ALL" translations were "commissioned by man" but GOD SAID HE WOULD "LEAD & GUIDE US INTO "ALL" TRUTH" no matter what "man" has added, deleted, translated, etc!
Either one BELIEVES or not (ICor10:21)!
Did JESUS "accept people the way they are"(Matt23)? When HE did HE told them to "GO & sin no more" (Jn8:11)!
As DISCIPLES, we are to "CORRECT" (2Tim