The Bible teaches us to worship God only (Ex. 20:3-5; Rev. 19:10); but the Roman Catholic Church teaches its adherents to pray to Mary and the saints. They even bow down to statues and pictures of them when they pray to them. Is this idolatry and false worship?
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Well stated facts, a good share indeed.
Absolutely right. After I became aware of these facts for myself, I began seeing Catholocism in a completely different light.
I would like to know how many in this thread have actually attended a Catholic Mass that was not a wedding or funeral. I wonder how many have ever asked a Priest questions or even check the many online sources about Catholicism. Many here are wrong.
Your definition of Mediatrix is wrong. In that role, Mary plays a part in delivering prayer requests to God. Mary is looked up as being the greatest intercessor next to Jesus, in asking for God's help on behalf of others.
From http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/marya4.htm they talk about Mary and it states, "This fits well with the words of the Popes, who call her the administra of grace, meaning that she administers or dispenses it."
The Catholic Church even goes so far as to say that salvation was impossible without Mary's immaculate conception. In other words, she lived a completely holy life which enabled Jesus to do so. I'm sorry, that's just plain blasphemy.
Greg: You are in error about the Immaculate Conception. That is a church doctrine that says that Mary was born without the stain of original sin. Since she was born that way, Jesus was born without that stain and that is what made salvation possible.
That's the same thing, really. Just in other words. She was sinless, which enabled Jesus to be sinless. Do you actually believe that?
You are correct in that it is God the Father who answers prayers. The saints, Mary and Jesus are not worshiped, they are intercessors. The Catholic Church is the most recognizable church in the world and the target of the most inaccurate claims.
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; ..." - 1 Timothy 2:5
Jesus is our only intercessor. Mary cannot be an intercessor.
Greg: You are now playing word games. There is a big difference between a mediator and an intercessor. Mary and the saints seek intercession. Only Jesus can be a mediator between God and Man. So your statement starts out correctly, but ends in error.
Really? I just looked up "intercessor" on thesaurus.com and do know what definition it gave me? "Mediator". As I suspected. So can both me and the thesaurus be wrong?
From a Bibical standpoint, yes, you both can be wrong. Also, a thesaurus gives words of similar meaning and not definitions. This like might help, http://theplaingospeltruth.com/articles/diffmediat...
First you said there is a big difference between a "mediator" and "intercessor". Now you just admitted that they're similar. They're not only similar, they're practically the same thing.
Greg: We did not read the same quote. At this point, we are going to have to agree to disagree. The space allowed here does not support a back and forth discussion. I wish you well and hope you find what you are seeking.
How a person worships is a free choice. Giving incorrect information about any church, as many are doing, is just wrong. The Catholic Church does not practice idolatry. Only God can answer prayers. Do not confuse decorations as a way to explain faith
But wouldn't praying to Mary not really be worshiping but perhaps asking for her strengths? A woman will have more strength for another woman due to the experiences women have that a man can't. And visa versa
Good point. I would like to add that she was never resurrected, either. She's still sleeping in the grave, awaiting resurrection at the second coming of Jesus; so praying to her is futile.
No, Mary did not die for our sins. Her son, Jesus did that. People who have a devotion or special feeling toward Mary ask her to relay their prayers to God. That is not required by the Catholic Church. It is a practice that developed and some follow.
Try not praying to Mary in the Catholic Church and see what happens. You'll be branded a Protestant heretic and excommunicated...
Larry: Prayer by definition is a form of worship to a deity. So no one should pray to Mary or the saints.
Catholic Church teaches its adherents to pray to Mary and the saints. They even bow down to statues and pictures of them when they pray. The Church does not teach this. Some Catholics just do it--big difference. Baptist say don't drink. Many do.
Very well said. :) It's such a difficult subject to explain to those who are not Catholic, and I think you explained it beautifully!
Thank you for understanding what I was trying to convey. I will be the first to admit that Catholics do not do a good job explaining their devoting to Mary. It was when the word intercession was used that I began to understand.
In my Catholic First Communion I was given rosary beads and taught how to "pray" the Hail Mary and Our Father "prayers". Yes, the Catholic Church does teach people to pray to Mary, no matter how they word it.
You have to listen to the words and not just say them. You did not like being a Catholic. That is your right. Just get the facts right. There is a devotion to Mary by the church, not worship. There is a difference.
The devotion is a form of worship, brother. It stems from the Pagan worship of Isis.