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Matthew 5:19 KJV
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of h
Thank you workingmomwm, for participating in this debate. I know that God created all of us as equals, but the question is not about God directly, it is about some of his followers who think non believers are not as good as they are.
Austin: But you asked if I, as a Christian, consider atheists and agnostics to be lesser people. And then you asked for me to elaborate. I don't, and that's my reasoning for the way I feel, and my reasoning has everything to do with God. Sorry.
workingmomwm, sorry if my comment sounded abrupt, it wasn't intended that way, and I do understand and respect that your reasoning in life is guided by God
lone77star. Thank you for your interesting comment. We all should be able to get along without others convictions getting in the way, but it's not as easy as it seems. I too learn from other people even though I don't always agree with their views.
Attikos, thank your for voicing your opinion with which, I have to say, I agree entirely. It's very nice to enjoy a constructive debate without (so far!) anybody getting out the heavy artillery
And, I've noticed, a great seeker of wisdom. Bless you!
Thanks Jesse for being here and witness the debate. I am really curious too even though I don't expect the atheists or agnostics usual bashers to come out.
But we'll see
@lone77star - Your kind words motivate me. Thank you :)
@austinhealy - I'm sure they will come sooner or later. I'm excited :D
snapbackbetty, thnaks for being here and participating. I don't consider myself a Christian,but, like you, I try to respect everybody. I hate to say this, but there are a few so called Christians here on HP who think they are better than everybody
Calynbana, many thanks for sharing your interesting and very well put point of view. I do share your analysis of the today's world and the worries that it engenders
Thank you Teacherjoe52 for being here. There is Christianity, a group of people who, because of the examples they follow and teach, should be close to beyond reproach. I hate to say that on occasion, my morals are better than some Christians I know.
Thank you for your input, SwordofManticorE. I agree with you and it is refreshing to have met through this question quite a few people who think that way.
Actually, these verses (Revelation 3:15-17) describe the consequences of those in a church who believe they have it all together when, in reality, they are in a desperate condition.
Exactly why religion are you? If you read the bible and believe in it...?
Thank you ro-jo-yo. Quoting the bible to a non Christian is like Colin Powell waving a vile of Saddam Hussein's alleged poison on national TV. Some will believe it, some won't. In the end we still don't know where the truth is.
@xaminedlife Revelation 3:15 describes a group of people that have a belief, that they need nothing, that they don't need God. And with that belief, they do not realize that they are blind and miserable etc.
Thank you Genaea for your response. Not being a Christian doesn't mean being closed to discussion, and on that we certainly agree. Like you, I can deal with anybody, as long as other people respect my choices
Hi Wesley and thank you for stopping by. Would it be fair to say that considering that someone lives a life "less fullfilling" based uniquely on religious beliefs is a way of looking down on such people ?
No,not at all. On the contrary, if my friend, daughter, or whomever is living a life less than what is possible, why would I desire to withhold something that could very well possibly help? What kind of friend, father, or citizen would I be if I did?
Back up Eric. I think what austin is trying to get across here is that athiests and agnostics do not "walk" with Him. They don't go to church & worship him. So austin was wondering if that made them appear as lesser beings in the eyes of a Christ
"as a Christian" is pretty unambiguous.
Next, the framing of the Question, sets both into a condemned realm. Know well that an ignorant man who has not "heard" meaning accepted, is not grouped with those who have heard and not loved.
Unambiguous is not the correct term. The framing of the question does not codemn the two. It's a simple question that you are making into something way more than it is. What religion are you by the way?
Jesse. People do not come out generally and blurt out their bias. The grouping of two groups together, is a reflection of a pre- existing bias, or the thinking lessor than of a group of group. Atheists and agnostics are totally different.
Different? Yes. Do they have things in common? Absolutely! It is okay to "group" them because neither one goes to church or worships God.
Let's not even get into bias here Eric...
Eric, we know atheists and agnostics are different. Two words, two definitions, two meanings. However, they have in common their lack of interest for religion and God. It is therefore relevant to use both names simultaneously in this context
You found the one thing they have in common and stated backwards. Atheists and Agnostics are very interested in proof of God. What you are suggesting is an intellectual and spiritual void or sloth. Which indeed could cause a lessernes.
The more disdainful comments you make in this thread, the more you let the cat out of the bag and comforts me in the relevance of the original question, and where you stand in regard to it. You are just trying to sidetrack the debate !
Rom 3:3 For what if some disbelieve? Will not their unbelief nullify the faithfulness of God?
Our Father gives to the unGodly and takes from the righteous. He is a respector of no one. We are all his children regardless (Eph 4:6).