OK I was reading in a study Bible study book the other day that stated we are all born in sin. If that is true how is it that Jesus died for all our sins (which lasts forever) and how can a baby be born in sin if they don't even know what it is??? If there is a particular scripture I would appreciate it.
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There is no place for Christians disagreeing with Christians. This is not right in the eyes of God.
Thank you for the scriptures and those together with your explanations and several others I am definitely understanding the "born in the flesh. born again", and why it happens this way. Also babies that pass on leave the flesh, not their soul Thanks
did he literally,physically die on that day?It doesn't appear that way.why d you Christians takes th title son of God literally and physically?dont u know tht Psalm2:7 "Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
@James, you treat "you Christians" as a homogenous block. It ain't and I'm not!
We are all children of God (the immortal part, within). But we also have ego (false self).
Was Jesus, David reincarnated?
Thanks for this, without scripture reciting it is plain english for those that hear, or listen. You may be interested in this www.thetruejesus.org I found it enlightening, Love really is the answer.
Beautiful. And yet so many so-called Christians do not know how to receive Christ. They mouth the words, but lack the humility and love to walk the narrow path.
Thank you!! I love everything from the conceived in sin, whiter than snow, clean heart, and sacrifice of the broken spirit. This is something that I am sure I will be reading daily for awhile. Have an incredible day and God Bless.
None of us is born in sin. In Ps 51 David was expressing his opinion when he was depressed about his sin. Read Ps 139. How can that which God made in the womb be sinful? If we are made by God, we are born perfect.
Psalms is in the old Testament. Now, Jewish law only.
@ Dissappearinghead Ps 139 is wonderful and I love the verses about no matter where I go thou art there. Before the Bible study I thought the same as you do about being born perfect, (well without sin anyway) Thank you
@DP and @Charlu, God created each one of us as perfect -- Genesis 1:26. We made ourselves imperfect -- Gen.3 (symbolic for all of us; see Gen.5:2).
God did not create us in the womb. Let those with wisdom understand how God could "hate" Esau in womb
The Bible is very clear that no person will be responsible for the sins of others. Each person is answerable for himself alone and cannot blame it on Adam and Eve.This is how justice goes.Check :Deuteronomy 24:16
Thank you and babies going to hell was a main question in my mind, but thanks to you and others I've learned that is not the case. As a very wise prophet told me "Take what you need and leave the rest" which is what I do not taking anything to heart
Good pts @Samantha.
It's immortal soul that carries sin directly from the Garden--the blindfold of ego that resulted in spiritual death.
I've seen without that blindfold, without human eyes and consciousness--without ego.
Bodies don't go to hell
Great Answer JT. You've grasped the message loud and clear.
And the big question is how do we "accept" or "follow" Christ?
Too many do not do this, and yet still call themselves Christians.
One Christian thought he was saved, but that he could now sin with impunity. You cannot follow two masters
Thank you safiq.
Why do you disagree sword?
Love ya, Lady G. Good points, but the sin has been in us for millennia. It is the ego we pulled over our spiritual eyes back in the Garden.
I realized only last month that I peeked out from under that blindfold 41 years ago.
In the Bible Jesus was speaking to a bunch of people that he was sharing a meal with. The story is in Mark 2. His Disciples were sitting around having a meal and Jesus was there also. There were others there like the Pharisees and the scribes an
I do read the Bible, go to study groups,etc which is why I asked the question if there were scriptures to clarify What shocks me is that so many answer the question as if it were an abomination opposed to understanding my request for clarification
I totally understand what you are saying Charlu. Some people are just down right rude.
I agree with you Lady Guinevere.Jesus never said we are born sin.The original sin is nowhere to be found in the Bible.
See that's exactly the problem with most denominations and some carnal Christians. Opposed to trying to help someone get a better understanding of their faith (as JThomp did), or clarification with scriptures they judge rather admit they don't know
Instead of nit picking at detail just fill up with love and slow your life down. There are people who love god and speak to him daily. They know that you don't have to read the bible or become an analyst to know god and live each day for gods sake.
@safiq, you accuse others of "nit picking at detail," but you do that very thing by what you say. You say "fill up with love" but your words show no compassion or love.
Jesus wants us to understand. Too many have blind belief and wrong understanding
@safiq Trying to have a better understanding of the word to build a closer relationship with God is a far cry from nit picking. As Lone77star said you speak of love, yet display none. Also using the Lords name like that really displays your worship
Lone55star your and Charlus comments are't exactly the most love filled comments I've head. I'm sorry that I butted in. I hope you get your question answered. I've heard it said that gods message is perfect and has no place for doubters and haters.
@Safiq, bless you! You're absolutely right! God's msg is perfect, but man's interpretation isn't. Just look! We have hundreds of denominations, because no one has interpretation right.
That's why we need to remain humble, and to seek answers.
The verse in Mark meaning that we must humble ourselves as children and look to God for guidance as children look to their parents for guidance.
@James-wolve, @JT makes a good pt
Could u be misinterpreting passage? Receiving K. "as a little child," is anyone, no matter their age, becoming humble as a child sometimes is to their parents.
Sin is stain (ego) on immortal child of God, within
James your answer is well informed and just beautiful. Every religion says that those who do good deeds and ward away and reject evil shall inherit the Kingdom of heaven. Jesus said I have gone ahead of you to prepare a place for you. God bless you.
James thank you for the passages. clarification, and the comments leading me to these passages. I am learning so much.
So why Christians claim that Jesus is the actual biological son of God ?
Emile, fun? That's ego. When did we get ego? Gen. 3!
Yes, we were all born in sin, because we took the forbidden fruit and our immortal selves fell into the Long Sleep of spiritual "death."
Jesus said "reborn of spirit;" no more ego
If you take the stories literally, then I guess that is a possible interpretation. I don't. I don't see any evidence to support taking any of it literally. Ego drives the need to see sin. Religion feeds the ego.
And I don't take them literally, either. I speak from experience and my own, still poor interpretation. I agree with so much of what you say, and yet...
For my understanding, ego is the source of all sin (all evil). Ego makes religion and more, evil
Love your answer. I don't think people missed the point I think sometimes it's easier to see the sin than to talk about how much we haven't been doing to love one another and give of ourselves to better our communities.