Some think we plot out a chart before we arrive here giving ourselves 6 exit points during our lifetime. If we do not take any of the exit points (near death experiences) when we get to the last one, our time on earth will be done. If we did well here, learned a lesson, etc., we can choose to come back in another life or not. If we didn't do well we are automatically sent back until we get it right.
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brimancandy you made me chuckle! I agree, send me back into something good and happy! As for the others maybe they are teaching a lesson to someone else. I just wish I knew who I'm teaching with all the junk that I've had to deal with.
somethgblue I agree with your thoughts about being conditioned to believe lies. There are just too many examples of it that can be sited! You have an interesting perspective on the rest, thanks for sharing it!
I totally love your answer. Thank you for putting this so eloquently.
Also a great answer!
I think that is true. If we give ourselves 6 escape routes then it must be up to us on how we proceed.
Logical? It is called free will.
See Diana Lee's answer and my reply. You are touching on exactly what my problem is. If I get to decide my destiny, why would I put myself through some of the hell I have, but if a god decides for us, why does he get to decide?
That is the whole point the rules are written by someone else and we are the prisoners that must abide by them.
Even if our misery is supposed to be a teaching for someone else?
Just one observation: Many religious people are dedicated scientists, so please do not say that they do not "believe in science." The world would not have "modern science" if it were not for famous Christians who engaged in scientific study.
I think choosing a "sorrow" could be for someone else's benefit, not necessarily our own. I know I have been moved to tears and action by seeing someone else's suffering.
God predetermined everything that will happen in His universe; however, I do not think we have a "say." God gave freedom to our first parents, and they chose to disobey. From that point on, we have freedom only in one direction until we are set free
glynch1 there is a problem with what you propose. If God predetermined everything then it follows that we were meant to disobey which in turn renders the term disobedience pointless.
Two forms of divine willing exist--that which represents God's intention and is therefore predetermined for man and cannot be evaded, and that which is his permissive will and is not imposed upon man's activities.
Why should God predetermine anything for any sentient being, let alone humans on this lonely little planet? Wouldn't God be bored to death knowing what was going to happen? I would think God would have more fun experiencing his creation through us.
Your thoughts about God are too small. What God intends, He decrees; what God permits, He has foreseen. And thus by a combination of foreordination and foreknowledge, his will remains sovereign.
Au contrair, I am trying to expand the idea of God beyond the box monotheists put God into in order to have God act like they do. Isn't the concept of God a human creation, not one of God? Only God knows what God is, humans don't have a clue.
My Esoteric I like that you are thinking "outside the box" (pun intended :) I have always struggled with what exactly is God. Where did it come from and how did it become such a focal point in our lives. I think you're right. We don't have a clue.
Thanks Angel, the question has consumed me for nigh on 55 years. I just started hubbing some of my thoughts on it today.
You base your comment on the assumption of the existence of God - which I'm sure you'll at least agree is not beyond reasonable doubt since so many people doubt it expressly through the application of their reasoning.
Actually it is some of her ideals. While I don't believe everything I've seen her do or written, some of it makes sense to me. I have been struggling for years with traditional religion and was opened up to her a year ago.
See Diana Lee's answer and my reply. Thanks for your input, I believe everyone has different theories and am just looking for more in my own life.
I've heard of this through some fundamentalist Christians and the Mormons. Mormons believe we asked to be born.
This is an answer to the idea that we owe god nothing since we did not ask to be born. Therefore his punishments are unjust.