Many are saying the horrible things happen because of lack of God. Many people who do bad grow up in the church and as an adult suffer a break and do something bad. My question to Christians is this, is someone only Christian until they do something horrible? It seems many Christians boot people out the second they do something wrong.
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Well said, my dear.
That does sound nice; but it's that sort of attitude that gives hypocrites the license to pray all day in church and then go commit some unspeakable act before going back to pray again. I prefer human reason to relying on "God" for help.
I believe you are mistaken, Old Empresario. This is not the cry of the damned, hoping and praying to find solace in the sins and failures of "Christians", and in doing so, finding peace and justification to continue living in sin and shunning God.
Old Empresario your take is interesting. Christians don't go into their faith thinking "how can I sin today and then repent for it later." But, there are times we fall short and make mistakes. We fall down, but get back up to try harder next time.
Yeah...what Renee said. :0)
The theory of "once saved always saved" is a heretical concept, promoted by only a few. Scripture clearly states, "Be thou faithful unto death and you shall have a crown of life." A Christian is called to a life of faithfulness...not perfection.
Great points dashingscorpio and CJ.
Its not our faithfulness but by God's grace only. We add or take away nothing to be saved. Its out of our hands. We can't earn it by being faithful. God knows our faithfulness when he saves us. Does he make a mistake?
Would you also agree that if one chooses to continue living for sin after receiving the knowledge of salvation - that there remains "no more sacrifice for sin"?
Amen Shepherd 48! Well, put. I totally agree. God wouldn't be God if He cut off the relationship when we did wrong. Are there consequences for our actions, most definately. Just as Adam and Eve sinned and were punished, God sent Jesus to save us!
It is important for everyone to understand that one cannot claim salvation through Christ - and then continue to live like a heathen. "Be thou faithful UNTO death and I will give you a crown of life." Remember that even the devils believe and shudder
Our hope must rest on the work that Jesus has already accomplished. My studies lead me to the conclusion that my deeds didn't keep me out, nor will they expel me. What I believe is the clincher. Believe to get in; dis-believe to get out.
Sheperd48: Even the demons and devils "believe" in the works of Christ Yeshua - but why won't they be saved? You see, belief in and of itself, is not enough. Yeshua said, "come follow me". We are also told in Matthew to "believe and be baptized".
CJ: devils believe & tremble. They can't be saved. They had their chance. Jesus & Paul both said to believe. Living right is very important, but not the basis of my standing with God. Good discussion!
II like your honesty..
Got it: go to church, but don't worry about doing anything good for anybody. That's probably the most honest Christian answer I've ever heard. I see that even mentioning good deeds as a sign of spritual health warranted a snidey emoticon
I think you are missing the point, O.E. I did not say that insincere apologies are the cure for serial offenses or actively living in sin. On the contrary...repentance requires one to turn their backs on sin. Furthermore, good deeds CANNOT save you.
You know OE, it is your attitude that I find offensive lately on these Questions. I agree fully with CJ, though we do not agree on alot of things.
Sword; I honestly don't care enough about this to defend myself. But it should be enough satisfaction to you to know that when you're enjoying the Kingdom of Heaven, I'll be suffering the torments of hell for getting others to question their faith.
Why would you say that Old Empresario? There's nothing wrong with questioning things...I do it all the time. Just 3 years ago I questioned the tenets of Christmas and came away with a whole new understanding and have stopped celebrating it altogether
There are some behaviors that cannot be allowed to fester within a church community...practicing homosexuality and sexual promiscuity are just two of them. What is important is that the church community does not allow sin to flourish around them.