It is found 4 times in Revelations and as I understand it, it is symbolic for the second desruction of the temple and the Jewish religion a second time at the hands of Rome. The first time was by babylon. It is the spiritual death of the Jews for God as I see it. Any takers?
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this belief contradicts scripture, which says that GOD gave those who reject HIM over to the lusts of their hearts and blinds them lest they see and HE must heal and save them. if GOD had planned on saving everyone from the get go, why do that?
@Tim, why do you hate your neighbor so much?
its TLM...and i dont, i accept GODs Word as truth. GOD is righteous and all HE does is. HE is sovereign. im not the one who makes the rules, HE is and i abide by them.
You are a product of your belief system, and if you believe that Love will allow most of its creation be eternallt tortured. It says alot about who you are.
yes it does. it says im not wearing blinders or interpreting scripture to please myself or justify my lifestyles. you are free to believe whatever makes you comfortable. but it wont save you
3 reasons why hell makes no sense:
1 Jesus said do good to your enemies and God's love is everlasting.
2 Sin in finite life doesn't warrant eternal punishment; eye for eye...
3 97% of people in hell means Jesus' mission was a complete failure.
it helps to look at things from GODs perspective and not human ones. you cant pick and choose what part of the Word you wish to believe, its either all or none. and no it doesnt mean anything of the sort.
greed DH. Those who believe in hell, don't understand that what they believe as eternal in regards to punishment, is "age".
tlm, you pick and choose. You choose verses that tickle your ears for hell belief. You have no desire to belief what the writers intended.
Read 1 Timothy 2:3-5, Isaiah 46:10-12, 1 Corinthians 15:22, 2 Chronicles 33:1-6, and string them all together.
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
It is Gehenna, not hell. Scripture suffers more from Christians than atheists.
I don't care what you say it is, there are over 55 verses in the Bible talking about hell. Am I to believe you or God? God! Where do you come up with your fantasies? We have proof in the Holy Bible.
I get it J, I know you dont want all to be saved. It is obvious, but FYI, there are over 600 verses in scipture that supports universal salvation.
There are no verses in the bible talking about hell. There are verses talking about Sheol - the grave/unseen, Hades = Sheol, verses talking about Gehenna aka Ben Hinnom Valley or garbage dump, Tartarus - pagan myth in 2 Peter not written by Peter.
THE BIG QUESTION: Then why did Christ have to go through hell for us to be saved?
DH, I have never met such arrogant ignorance like I have from this J guy. How many times has he asked the same question over and over about why did Jesus have to die and we have to suffer such stupidity.
The idea that Christ descended into hell to be greeted by demons and Beelzebub himself is Christian fantasy. He died! He went to Sheol, the grave, the place where God told Abraham he'd REST with his fathers including Terah who worshipped idols.
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Tho
Oh now I am going to hell for calling you stupid J? I bet the thought of that gives you great joy.
No no one going to hell gives me any type of joy. We are to love one another and spread the good news of Jesus Christ to save people from hell. That is a ludicrous statement.
Ok, let me ask you this. If YOU were given the power to save all of those in the hell you believe in, would you save them?
SOM.. Your ego and arrogance overwhelms you.
I knew you couldnt answer that question, because it exposes the darkness and hatred you have for nonchristians.
That statement is as idiotic as your question.
Not as idiotic as your belief of hell. I will answer it for you. YES!!! IN A HEART BEAT!!! I love all mankind including you. You use excuses to avoid hard questions, and it says alot about you.
I'm only avoiding RIDICULOUS questions.
It is a good question. Would save someone from drowning if you could swim?
I am done with these spiritually contradicting ideas of yours. Therefore, I am done with this ridiculous nonexistence of hell. If there is no hell? Why must anyone be saved by the blood the Bible concentrates on in the New Testament? Think about it.
Of course you wouldn"t save that person. You would walk away and let them drown like the non good samaritan you are.
No, we don't save people. We lead them to Jesus Christ who saves them. You have much malice to call yourself loving.
That is a cowards responce J. If I saw an athiest drowning, I would jump in and save him, but you use selfrightious excuses not to.
SOM... You have a very low self esteem problem don't you?
Are you serious J? Real Christians dont worry about self esteem or pride for that matter.
If a Christian saw someone on fire in a car wreck, they would try to pull them out and douse the flames. But if they failed, they think God will wilfully torch the person a second time in hell. So the Christian thinks he's more loving than God.
Though, I disagree with you on many topics, your comment is alot less offensive than many Christian beliefs and theologies I have read recently.
I really respect all religions and creeds.It is true we disagree with each others on many topics but that doesnt mean we should take it on personal level.You are my friend and I respect your beliefs.
that is why i dont listen to christian music or watch christian themed movies or read anything christian themed. i totally do not approve of using GOD to make money. i do believe in hell, but i wont argue. all r free to believe how they will
I almost fell off my chair when all my answers and comments to the question "Is hell real?" were deleted. Are we living in medieval times where some in the Church silence dissent?
i myself do not leave comments idly. i put my heart into them. i think them out. when they get deleted it makes me wonder why bother.
tlm.... It is due to personal attacks and name calling which has no place on HubPages. Not directed toward you my friend. You always are very respectful.
Exactly. Deleting comments that people have taken care to write is just insulting.
it is only an insult or personal attack if you let it be one. otherwise they are just words. always remember, you arent responsible for what others think, say, or do. only for yourself. GOD gave man choice. we should respect that.
J, Why dide you ask eveyone the question "Is hell real"? What was the purpose of the question?
To see how many believed in universal salvation.... Not very many. This is why you are constantly debating with everyone you encounter.
The numbers are growing and many are leaving the catholic traditions. I dont debate with believers of hell, only those who support and preach it. It will be like it was during the times of Paul and the apostels. Universal reconciliation of all.
The time is coming and now is where people will throw off the shackles of hell heresies. Those in the Church who call this enlightenment 'apostasy' will only find themselves left out in the cold.
2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Tarturus was a prison for the rebeliouse Greek pagan gods such as the titans, and hades is where the Greeks believed all the dead went. If you did more study, you might learn something for once.
Gehenna is a place on earth. Read this:
Gehenna was a garbage dump. Imagine you being a pharisee and proud, and then some guy called Jesus comes around telling you that your body will be dumped there instead of at Hebron. The burial place of the royals and honourable religious leaders.
SOM and DH? Do you consider name calling to be Christ like?
It is about as christ like as your belief of eternal torture.
I haven't called you any names J. However, you mentioned Matt 5:22 and the inference that anyone who calls his brother a fool is going to hell. Well looks like Jesus is in trouble: Matthew 15:16
‘Are you still so dull?’ Jesus asked them.
Well I did call J a coward. Didnt Christ call the selfrighteous pharisees the same?
I believe he did.
I like your comment about Pharisees & garbage dump. It was Gehenna that the bodies of the criminals were thrown. Christians take the second half of Matt 5:29 literally but not the first, that's why there are no maimed Christian