I have not seen such hate and spamming against this belief anywhere else other than on these hubs? They desire the hell preaching teachers over the beautiful doctrine of absolute love, forgiveness and mercy. God's plan will previal.
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Hell believers cannot answer the simple question as to how they can call god merciful for creating beings knowing in full advance their eternal doom.
In the beginning, God created man to be perfect, and in perfect relationship with Him. Man messed that up, not God. God's mercy is seen by sending Jesus to take the punishment for the sin of each person, providing the only way to an eternity with Him
That is because you want hell to exist, I call it hell wishing with a molech spirit. Btw, Christ never once uttered the word hell, neither did Paul.
Jesus never uttered the word 'love' either. We translate Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic into 'love', 'hell', etc.
If there is no hell, what are we being saved from? Why did Jesus die?
I could tell you the answer, but why waste my time. You dont want to believe it, because you have made your choice.
You should at least share your thoughts. He won't be asking questions if his mind is close to suggestions.
Normally I would, but I know a determined hell believer when I see one friend, and his mind is closed to anything outside his belief system.
I really want to know, by your belief system, what Jesus saves us from.
I am not going to tell you. You have already agreed to another determined hell believers answer. According to you, the words of Christ are clear to you.
Your evasiveness forces me to the conclusion that you have no answer.
A clever responce, but to be expected from a sunday school student.
SoM I honestly think you need to check yourself. Your behavior is not in line with your expectations. If you want to have a discussion in which we seek the truth then you need to be open minded to other people views, and willing to explore them
When comments and discussion conveniently disappear, all that is left is propaganda.
caly, I have already told you to feel free not to post again.
I have chosen to continue to post. Your attitude is off putting but it is not enough to drive me away. I want to have a discussion with you, but I will not say what you want to hear, I am going to say what needs to be said.
then tell me what your take of the rich man and lazerus is in its context? You believe in it, so plz do tell.
I believe that like the other parables of Jesus it is meant to be symbolic, not a literal account of heaven and hell. The rich man represents the pharisees, and Lazarus represents the gentiles. There is more but due to the space limit I may need ahub
You are close, the rich man is Judah and Lazerus is symbolic for the gentile nations. Eventually they lose the blessings and their religion, and the new age begins as a blessing for all as promised to Abraham.
Interesting take on it. You know, the beauty of this is that no one can TRULY know what Jesus parables were about. We can only speculate based off of what others have said.
The are from J. He is banned from both my hubs and questions. The kingdom of God is in us and around us, not heaven, and if you say that hell is the truth again, you need no longer visit my posts. It is about discussion and seeking the truth.
If you are truly seeking discussion and truth then you will not forbid opposing views from being expressed. I want to explore the idea as brothers and sisters in Christ, not as enemies. We should be able to discuss freely without this hostility.
J spams my questions and has insulted me. We both agreed to not post comments on each others posts and he breaks this truce every time. He has told me that HE knows the truth and I am confussed. That ended it for me.
I don't know exactly what went down between you and J, it is not my business. That is for you two to work out. I was responding more to your statement " if you say that hell is the truth again, you need no longer visit my posts"
The word truth is so often abbused by those who are arrorgant to claim to know it and if anyone claims they know it wether hell or universal salvation, they become dogmatic and are not welcome on my hubs or question.
SoM, you do realize the only "arrogance" ever shown on ANY of these questions and hubs is from YOU, don't you?Jesus doesn't seem to be the one steering you.It seems more to be your inability to cope with facts that are presented over and over again.
I dont see the arrogance you think you see, I do notice my determination to combat the belief of the hell doctrine.
Besides, you dont see me using caps to get my point across like some do. But for you sister, I will be nicer in the future.
I appreciate the sentiment.:-) I use caps due to having no way to use italics for these comment.If a nonbeliever were to view this question in search of answers, I unfortunately think they would leave more confused than when they entered.
Can you blame the nonbeliever, there is so much confussion between the thousands of denominations it is almost embarresing.
Sry, I didn't mean that to sound like I would blame a nonbeliever.I agree that it is disgraceful all of the butting heads over the same God.Look up Westboro Baptist Church if you wanna see some SICK beliefs.I find it sad.Their kids even join in..
Theologic discussion is healthy. The process refines argument and strengthens faith.
Some people just like to "stir the stew"...I try not to "argue" but these debates can sometimes get heated. My reason for joining in is I like to try to understand why others believe what they do.
Unbelievers are not our enemies; sin is our enemy. I agree that love is the way to reach the sinner. But God's justice includes a path to salvation- through Jesus. Those who choose to reject Jesus are allowed to, and suffer the result.
That is exactly my point. you are no different than the rest of the hell believers. Your problem about love is, is that you have no idea what it can do. you're just another church folk.
Question: do you support folks like Brian McLaren, Spencer Burke and Doug Pagitt?
I know these three men, why is it important for you to know? I may not believe as them, but they were smart enough to leave your religiouse system. And for that I give them all a thumbs up.
How do you handle Matthew 25:41?
Why should I cast pearls? You cant understand its spiritual meaning and so why should I waste my time for you.
The Emergent Church movement and these men promote a mystical Jesus. They have taken on the image of the beast.
LOL, you may as well call yourself a catholic nails
There is the elementary school hallway tactics, or backing up what you say with substance. I have researched this movement quite extensively; therefore, I do not believe blowing smoke gets anyone anywhere. Write a hub that addresses these questions.
Why so much anger in you? Very sad.
I no longer have time for this. You have chosen to ignore Jesus' warnings to all mankind. Be well.
Oh poor you nails, I hurt your feelings. The difference between their church and yours is that they would not shut the doors, while yours would escort me out as fast and quite as possible. Personally, I dont worship with pagan snake charmers.