So in one of our weekly religious debates one of my friends brought up the idea that Satan may actually be the good guy. His logic is that Satan punishes sinners and therefore creates a situation where doing bad things is discouraged and doing good things is rewarded. Have you ever thought of this and why Satan seems to be more of god's jailer instead of his arch rival?
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Probably the best answer i've gotten here, everyone else either rejects the idea completely without allowing for an assumption or just downplays the comment to try and attack my nonexistant beliefs, thank you :D
I agree. Doing good out of fear is not good at all, for it involves acting in one's own best interest rather than that of others. I believe evil would exist even if Satan didn't, for good is best defined by what it is not.
in answer to the one where my comment was deleted below--the bible is clear if you read the full scripture for context that neither of those scriptures refer to satan as it says there they are a rebuke to two MEN
Calynbana, great answer, thank you. What do you mean specifically that people are not in hell to be punished? Could you say more about that? Thanks.
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Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent
JTHOM this scripture is to occur at the end and has not happened yet so it does not fit here
What would you say is the difference between being tempted and being tested?
seek--- being tested is to prove you are who you say you are, its purpose is redemption-truth. tempting is designed for condemnation, to make you fall away
@celafoe... So you believe we can "fall away?" Meaning you do not believe once saved always saved?
jt yes that is correct. and again you throw up a smoke screen by changing the subject-- instead of proving what you espouse how devious! I was talking about the scripture about the devil being cast out has not yet happened
There is no need in debating you celafoe. I have ran into very many like you and it would be a total waste of time. Let's just say our beliefs are very different. Salvation should not be used as a scare tactic. God is love , so is salvation.
I have put up with your fooishness long enough. and your false humility and snide remarks.
I am tired of you nipping at my heels like a little puppy . I am also tired of you calling me a liar. I am not. I do not know everything and h
Just agree to disagree and stop picking everyone apart that does not agree with you (which are very few) Just leave it alone. See you in Heaven.
more words==no scriptures and no substance. I pick no one apart. I do check what is written against scripture and correct the errors . that is scriptural. Because some do not agree does not make the truth a non truth. Like I said grow up.
LOL.... I must laugh celafoe. Just stop speaking to me please. If you need your ego to hear you are right? I must disagree.
jthomp. .sorry but i have no ego, just love for scripture truth
Prov 9:8 Do not correct a scoffer, lest he hate you;Rebuke a wise man, and he will love you.
, 14:12 There is a way that seems right to a man,But its end is the way of death.
This is more of a conceptual question of why satan punishes evil if he himself is evil.
When did Satan turn his back on God? The Hebrew Scriptures make no mention of any such thing, or demons either. In fact Job tells us that this satan and God had a nicely friendly chat, catching up on news about what was happening.
O come on DH. Satan rebelled against God and was cast of of Heaven.
Satan didn't like that God told him that humans were above him. Satan got sent to Earth for his kingdom. Earth is NOT hell and Satan wasn't damned. A fit punishment to take care of humans from the place they are to live on. Not turn back on God
Where do you all get this stuff??
Where do you?
The holy Bible.
Jthom & LG you are both wrong. God created satan for the job. He never was angel. "ALL angels that left there abode" are in chains until the judgement. Read the bible.It clearly says ALL things were created BY HIM. dont listen to apostate men
I'm sorry JT, but just where does the bible speak explicitly of satan rebelling against God and being cast out of heaven? Don't quote Revelation now as that contains Babylonian astrology and took 300 years of arguing over before being canonised.
Of course you do not want me to quote the scripture that proves it. Typical!!
Jthomp-- I would like to see the scripture that proves it taken in context. No one has been willing to show it to me in the last 40 yrs, so how about you do it.
Celafoe nothing could be shown to you that is even concrete evidence, because you have your mind made up that you know it all.
jthomp-- that is a lie. if you can give scripture in context to support your view I will publicly repent and change what i teach. but if you cannot then you must do that. what are you afraid of? being proven wrong? Give them to me if you can .
Celafoe. Like you I have wondered why people push a 'beautiful gemstone musical angel that got proud and wanted God's throne, so got thrown out with a 3rd of angels' story, but singularly fail to prove it from the bible.
What? Angels are more than just messengers. Each has a specific purpose, and the only named angel who serves solely as a messenger in the Bible is Gabriel. Michael is a warrior. Lucifer (i.e. Satan) made music before he was exiled from heaven.
Lucifer made music before being exiled from heaven? Where exactly in ther bible is this story given?
Satan was the most beautiful angel there was. There were man, many more angels in that bible but were taken out in the 5-6th century AD
lady g -- you need to stop believng fairy tales. satan never was an angel, that story is a lie.
and VC lucifer is not satan, he is the king of babylon
Celafoe - Agreed.
Check out this link for some scriptures related to the origin of Satan before his fall: http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-music.html
ladyg-- you really need to stop writing this foolishness and learn truths
seeknfind-- That site is not scriptural and is garbage. read and study the bible not what men say and you will find truth.
celafoe, That is what it says in the Bible and if you don't believe it then you don't believe it. Stop trying ti instigate something I want no part of.
ladyg-- no where in the bible does it say that if yu read 14 verse 3 it tell you its talking about the king of babylon--i can lead you to truth but i cant make you see it it is for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear
Satan as a messenger can have tremendous influence because of the message that he might deliver. Humans do bad things. They are often led to do those things because of the message delivered by Satan.
larryw-- true but that is no excuse, it is not his fault the follow their flesh and not the Spirit James 3 verses 12 - 16 makes it clear who is responsible.
It's not about the site--its about the verses referenced. Easier to paste a link than all the verses...What are the mentioned verses in reference to then, in your opinion?
seek-- not my opinion it is worthless but scripture. go back to eze 28 verse 1 and you will see this is speaking to the price of tyre-- go to Isiaah 14 vs 3 and you will see this is about the king of babylon-- the churches are lying about this
Yes, I've read them. My understanding is that scripture has layers of meaning. Like Psalm 22 being a Messianic prophecy, for example. Wasn't Hebrew thought circular and with layers of depth? Literal truths with deeper spiritual insights beneath?