Every day billions of people ask God to "Lead us not into temptation and deliver us from evil. And yet, the Bible says Eve WAS tempted by the fruit. We cannot blame the serpent, because in the garden; God put both the snake and the fruit. Also - we are mere mortals - and yet we do not believe the sins of the father and mother should fall on their children and all their children's children. However, God said that the stain of Adam and Eve would follow all of humanity (at least until the time of Jesus). What do you think?
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Knowing that God knows my whole life from first breath to last breath is a bit depressing. I always wondered what God would do if - at the last split second of his life, Hitler repented.
If Hitler repented, God would have forgiven him. For all I know, he did. As far as God is concerned, sin is collective and cannot be measured, and all sin is equal. Dishonoring your parents is just as evil as killing millions of people.
Billrrrr, Don't be depressed. lol! Your life is still your life to live. Just because God knows what tomorrow has in store for you shouldn't take the fun out of living. Your choices are still your own. God is just not "surprised". :-)
For me, this is comforting. God knows what will happen in my whole life. He knows everything single thing I've done, yet he still loves me wants me to spend my eternal life with him. He prepares my way so that I can endure my trials & temptatio
God would be true to His word, and would forgive him if his heart was sincere and true. Since only God knows the true intent of ones heart....perhaps it is safe to say...truly only God knows for sure. There are no degrees between sin...sin is sin.
good to see someone that understands this concept
God bless you
Agreed. But as I commented to Dashingscorpio, it's somewhat depressing to think that 70 years ago when I was a baby, God knew my whole life until now and beyond. If it's already in His book, is it really free will?
BI LLRRRyes you get to do what you want, he just can see where you will go.
that is something we as humans can not do so many, like you, do not think it possible
He knows the different paths we could take, but we ultimately choose which path.
Imagine a parent whose sixteen-year-old drives his car too fast. The parent knows driving too fast is not safe, but the son will not listen and does as he pleases. The parent is not responsible if the son gets a ticket or has an accident.
Billrrrr, Yes it's still "free will" because you still are making the choices! Just because you know what someone is going to do does not mean you are controlling them. To be honest with you God knows when and how you're going to die as well. :-)
I agree one hundred per cent. By the way, the supreme being (God) knew that they would eat the apple. Why even put it out there?
When I send my children outside to play, their only rule is that they can't open the gate. We need the gate, it serves an important purpose and one day I will want them to use it, but for now, at their young age, they are not allowed to open it.
Every parent knows not to put shiny things in front of children. They will always reach for them. Our Father certainly knew that: but he still put the fruit in the garden. All the scriptures and biblical quotes cannot change that fact. Just sayin'
billrrr---they were not children
I'll never know it all, but I choose to trust in Him. I feel we were created for so much more than this. This life is like a vapor & what's to come is where life really begins. God allowed tempting; He didn't tempt us. He provided grace. trust &a
crissy-- i agree this is the qualification phase the real life comes after the weed and chaff are thrown in the fire and the Kingdom of God arrives
Forgot to mention... the Bible says that God will not allow us to even be tempted more that we can bear and that He always provides a way of escape when we are tempted.
We cannot shield our children from every temptation, and if we could, how would we ever know if our children really love and respected us as their parents if we never give them the opportunity to make real choices?
Great comment Disappearinghead. I was trying to make a similar point when I said that every parent knows not to put temptation in front of children. They are going to fail. Perhaps God did it exactly for the reasons you mention.
Without temptation there would be no freedom of choice. Character is tested when there is temptation. God allows people to sin because they were not created to be like robots. If they were, there would be no temptation or free will.
Freeway Flyer, based on your interpretation, how does Satan, the fall guy, fits in? Or are you saying there is no Satan?
Interesting viewpoint. I think it's some sort of a story like the parables that Jesus used to tell. He never gives straight answers and often answers a question with a question. That's his style & we have to interpret his teachings.
The snake is a satan-like character in the story. Like the apple, he represents the evil temptations that we all will face when growing up. And we will all fall at times. Apparently, God built evil and temptation into the system.
Thanks for the insight. I have been contemplating these ideas for about 7 decades. As I am getting to the end of my life, I find I am much less fearful than when I was young and i am also now, less curious. I will know all the answers soon.
He will never tempt but will definately "Test"
I agree, belief in God is primary. I also believe that we face tests throughout our lives and how we deal with them takes us further down the path to God or not, depending on the choices we make.
Thanks for the very well presented comment.
I think, as you noted, the bottom line is that God was responsible for the temptation and He knew that Eve would fail. He should not 'lead us into temptation."
why not , how else are we to be tested? history shows we need to be tested , you cant trust people at their word.
God created Satan to be an angel, not the accuser. Satan used his free will to rebel against God. That is not the same thing.
satan was created on the sixth day with all other creatures that is how he got in the garden, there was noting and God created--
Interesting take on the topic Cordelia Bay. At this stage of my life, the apple would not tempt me; but 30 years ago things were different. Age brings creases to the face, but smoothes over many of the brain wrinkles that trouble us in youth.
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Good comment Lorirose. I think the bottom line is that Jesus is all about forgiveness and understanding. He knows how rough this life can be, what with poverty, ill fate, and sickness of heart & mind. He literally wrote the book on forgivenes
Like somebody else said, we can fail one or ten times, as long as we keep trying, we will be okay.
I agree that it was not a literal serpent. All of the Christian religion is based on parable and metaphor. In other words it is faith based, not fact based.
Sorry but I must disagree with you. John 1:2 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
John 1 (Young's Literal Translation)
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1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Wor
Light can have no fellowship with darkness (2 Corinthians 6:14). God creates people who do evil and things used for evil. He does not do evil or cause evil. We do.
no violin, that is a church lie. satan NEVER was an angel. He was a murderer and liar "FROM THE BEGINNING" you have been deceived/ and lucifer is the king of babylon, read the bible it is plain as day, it says that. if you read the whole of it.
If you think Eve was bad do some google searches on Adam's "first wife", Lilith! When you factor in the Kane & Able story one would have to say Adam did not lead a charmed life. Too bad the advice of Proverbs 21:19 came after his lifetime. LOL!
scorpio---that is a lie Eve was Adams ONLY wife and the ONLY created woman all else have been born after her. There is no scripture to support that fable.
Celafore, I can't confirm or deny if there was a Lilith as I was not there. In 405 (Pope Innocent I) "decided" what books would be (included) in the "Holy Bible" Politics played a part in which books were canonized. A lot of books didn't make the cut
That's what I think too.
That's what I think too.
well said Laurie.