I'm puzzled by this scripture. I'd be interested in some useful interpretations. Is the Creator saying we can command him or is he saying something else? Has anyone had an experience that deals with this scripture?
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Faye Leverett, thank you for sharing your personal experience. How interesting that this scripture caught your eye during your time of hardship. Re: Isaiah 45:11, I very much like your comment that command simply means, "Tell me what you want."
Interesting! I had not thought of God as being facetious. I will read the entire chapter over to see if I also determine the context as you have. Thanks!
Hm good answer, that makes so much sense really
Check out Psalm 2:4. See what God said to Job in Job 38:2-3. Paul made the same point in Romans 9: 20-21. What right does mankind have to question God? God, the Potter, has every right to shape us, mere clay, as He sees fit.
Glynch 1 --"God the Potter has every right to shape. . ." you, because you see yourself as a shapeless blob without him, and grant him that "right". I guess. But we are getting sidetracked from Savvy's query about Command.
I would not exist without Him, so I am not in the position to grant the Sovereign the right to do with me what He desires.
Opponents are likewise not in the position to "command" Him to do anything; He is mocking their arrogance here.
Surely he would not "mock", which amounts to belittlement and pettiness--very low-level emotions that spring from insecurity. Good grief!--how could we possibly ascribe such activities to God?
Verse 3 records the rebellious words of conspirators who believe they can overpower the Deity (“the LORD and His Anointed”), Whom they perceive as slave masters. The LORD responds to their bluster with derisive laughter (v. 4; cf. Ps. 59:
Fair enuff. Wasn't aware of that scripture. Thanks. And the laughter should be derisive, because the outcome of their rebellion is already known, just as with Satan. Being omniscient does get a little boring, don't you think?
Not being omniscient, I can have no concept of how the Deity feels about His life. However, since He is self-sufficient, I believe He would have been perfectly content to have remained by Himself.
Glynch1, I have read all the scripture you provided. Thank you. I see that all the authors used a similar (facetious) tone. They seem to have related human to human. I'm not fully settled in my mind about "command", but I'm OK with that for now.
Many parts of Isaiah are written in Hebrew poetic parallelism. In this case, it may be synonymous parallelism or a parallelism of intensification. "Command me" in the second half of the verse may be an "intense" version of "ask of me."
I appreciate your point about intensification, Glynch1. I have made the choice to believe in the Holy Spirit and that most, if not all biblical authors were inspired by Him to write about Him by using human characteristics that man can relate to.
All Scripture is inspired (God-breathed) [2 Tim. 3:16], not the writers; God guided them, using their individual personalities to compose and record without error His word to us. Yes, He did accommodate Himself to us so that we could relate.
Glych & Savvy. With respect to you both, I'm going to book out of the chat. We are restricted re: length, and I have been here SO many times before, always to the same end: Believers present arguments about the nature of God and the efficacy
Yes. I was having trouble with the word "command". Your points clarify why. Atheist or not, I have a great deal of respect for your observations. I appreciate your character.
Actually, "facetious" implies PLAY, and God or Jesus frequently play with language and with questioners, by answering questions in images or metaphors or with another question--in hopes that YOU will come to the answer on your own.
I was a bit lost there when I read the end of your answer. However I see why you said that and I worded it wrong and did not notice until now, so thanks.
Moonfroth, I consider the words of CS Lewis, "...God is not a static thing-not even a person-but a dynamic, pulsating activity, a life, almost a kind of drama...a kind of dance - Mere Christianity. Omniscient doesn't sound boring when put that way.
New Living Translation 2013 Isaiah 45:11 This is what the Lord says— the Holy One of Israel and your Creator: “Do you question what I do for my children? Do you give me orders about the work of my hands?
Excellent point, jd!
Fascinating....about commanding God's creations. You've got my mind whirling!
Thank you. I appreciate the translation you have provided. It is all too easy to take a phrase out of context. I have been remiss---which is why I needed to ask the question. Appreciate it, JD.
We're the question marks in the original translations? In the Darby bible and the Douhy bible they were not. (Both wrtten in the 1800's)
They were written as statements.
I see. I am not familiar with those translations.
Do you think the phrase command you me, really means "ask you me?" Can we command the Father? I'm not being facetious. Just want to figure this out..
NLT Isa 45:11 “Do you question what I do for my children? Do you give me orders about the work of my hands?" has not to do with commanding God.
Just a quick comment: Faye stresses, over and over, that we are all God's vessels, his means to whatever ends he might choose.
Why does he NEED vessels to do anything? These blobs of clay seem to fulfill him. Thought he was omnipotent?
Clark, Faye is using an analogy, as if to say all individuals are "diamonds in the rough." Yet, we do not see the beauty of the diamond until it is "finished." The idea is that we are refined through the power of God.