Just a thought, what would you do if you discovered Jesus was actually evil and people were forced to record him doing all these good deeds? Please keep religious flaming to a non-existent form by the way.
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I know that the chances of people actually not being religious biggots and insulting each other randomly in the comments of each others questions is quite small. One can hope though right?
Good that someone is an independent and unconventional thinker. Such a person sees all sides of the equation.May/may not agree with the question at hand but CrescentSkies has the COURAGE to ask the question.Individuality is ALIVE and WELL!
Really small when you start out calling people bigots yourself.
I'm missing something, That Grrl. Who's the one starting out calling people bigots?
Amen to that, yansky23. Blessings.
So there was nothing good until the bible came along?
@ That Girl, yes there is, but the Bible perfected it. It's should be the main foundation, and instructional "how to" manual on how to live a good life ordained by God. The problem is, people rather choose evil than follow Jesus' example.
Mass killing and infanticide should be the norm and done?? Oh come on!
Nice point, simple yet well said!
Spirituality is about your beliefs, however you choose them. Satanists call themselves spiritual too. It's not about good versus evil, just about having faith or beliefs of some kind.
@ That Grrl, yes that is very true. But you must choose wisely what you are in to. Because not all spirituality are equal, there are ones that leads you to the right path and ones that will lead you to destruction.
But there isn't any irrefutable evidence that Jesus slaughtered millions so why ask the question. To pose the question, when Jesus was a good man, is a form of slander to me. People spread rumours and will get accused of things based on speculation.
You missed the point. How do you know Jesus was a good man? Reports from people who wanted him to look good but never actually knew him are not reliable.
Lots of people reported his miracles and not all of them wanted Jesus to look good. Some called him a magician (as a put down). The knowledge of Jesus was passed down via verbal stories from people who did know him. He was good.
History judges people in unfair ways. Even Hitler was just one man. All the awful things he did could have been stopped by the people around him. People should never have blind faith in anything. Isn't that what this topic is about?
Jesus was more than a man; he healed people. It's documented that he healed the blind and the deaf and the lame. How does a regular guy do that?
From "some hubbers hub"? You quoted that much of their post and could not even give their name? Not good.
Hello That Grrl. If I remember correctly, although memory does fade, an practice of etiquette is not to openly promote one's own hub. I did a "sneaky Pete." That term is from the movie Silverado with Kevin Costner as rookie acting. So, as is = tsmog
What a refreshingly rational post. Bravo. :)
Being neutral is a rarity. People are not ruled by rationality;most people are not like Spock. It doesn't take much to push someone to be evil. It takes envy, jealousy, greed, pettiness, ect...and for some just boredom. Groups can be evil.
Being neutral leads to mediocrity and destruction, Matthew 6:24- "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other."
I remember reading something about the "sinfulness of a hateful heart". And here is Matthew 6:24 contradicting that. This is why I don't read the Bible anymore. No rational person can read it without getting confused or pissed. No THANK you!
@stanwshura-Matthew 6:24 only tells that you must either choose good or evil. If you love what is Good, it is natural to hate what is evil. Don't be mislead. The word "hate" refers on hating what is evil, but not necessarily means hating your fellow.
Yes, it is a very thought provoking question.Proves that CrescentSkies is an independent thinker who thinks beyond the sanctioned parameters.I like those kind of people-I am THAT way MYSELF.
gmwilliams, your statement would have looked better if you did not capitalize THAT and MYSELF. 'I am that way myself' sounds confident, the other looks like you are thumping yourself on the chest.
Jesus the man could actually "lose it" and trash a room?! Nice. And I say that to celebrate that you don't have o have a perfect temper to have a perfect soul!
To stanwshura, So what if Jesus trashed a room; that doesn't make him evil.
That is my point, SandCastles. Cliff Notes version of my post: you can "lose it" and still have a perfect soul. Gotta read the whole post before you can make a cogent reply.
Getting angry and mad isn't evil. Rebuking people to not turn God's place in to a marketplace isn't. He just imposed an act of discipline towards people.
What is evil is if you've murdered someone because you didn't managed to control your anger.
I think there is such a thing as evil. Some people are down right mean and they know what they are doing.
I am with you in that there is no evil, only consequences to thoughts and deeds.
really? do you really believe there's no such thing as evil? What if someone robbed, raped and murdered your love one, can you still say that? Most people rather choose evil than good and that's a big problem for the World today.
That is not evil. People seem to think everything that happens to them that they cannot explain or hurts them is evil. That is not the truth.
Sorry, But I beg to disagree ms.Wolf, as far as my faith dictates. Jesus wasn't just an ordinary man, He was God made into flesh and blood for the salvation of mankind, clean and pure. He died as a sacrificial lamb. He didn't die just for nothing.
Jesus killed a boy? the Devil can easily spread false information. Satan is the father of liars, he existed to steal and to kill. And many people rather choose to follow him than follow the example of Jesus.
The Infancy Gospel of Thomas is defined as a pseudepigraphical gospel meaning Pseudepigrapha falsely attributed works. It was shown to be b-llsh-t.
The 'Infancy of Gospel of Thomas' and the 'Gospel of Thomas' from the Bible are two different things. It is one Satan's device to erroneously deceive and mislead people.
Really appreciate you posting this answer, been going through a lot of truth searching, found the grail and am currently resisting the easy option of just signing up to a premade chruch and trying to stick to the much harder road of independence.
Yep it is true the church keeps you in the dark at all costs.
Jesus said "Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires."
not a very forgiving message to share, peace and love brother, we're all on a journey, whether it be a humbling pilgrimage or a life devoted to one reigion it's a learning experience imo
Jesus spoke Aramaic and the Bible was Greek, Hebrew and Latin in translations. That verse proves nothing.
The New Testament was written entirely in Greek.
@ mrblueishmouvesky- Jesus said this to the Pharisees, they are religious scholars but are hypocrites and doubts Jesus' power as Lord and Savior.Jesus tried to share the good news of salvation yet they didn't believe him,
Hold on, just to be clear, yansky23, are you saying parts of the bible are the work of the devil?
To coleikird, no yansky is not saying that parts of the bible are from the devil. the Infancy Gospetl is about Thomas the Israelite writing stories about Jesus as a child. No one corroborates these stories. It's not part of the bible.
@coleikerd, there is a false doctrine called "the INFANCY of Gospel of Thomas" were it portrays false stories about Jesus. It was never part of the Bible. It misleads people because those stories are only made up to blemish the Bible's reputation.
I don't think Jesus is a big part of history outside of the bible. Christianity was a small religion, not well known, in history. It took a long time to make Hell a big enough threat to get people praying to the Christian god.
History says that Jesus was actually put to death by his own people (the Jewish "government" in power in his area) while a lot of people think it's the Romans who killed him. History is written by the literate victors.
Then don't reply to it, keep your mouth shut, and leave the people who are trying to answer my question honestly alone.
How rude to tell someone to keep their mouth shut. Vocalcoach has a right to her opinion just as you have a right to ask your question.
Vocalcoach wasn't exactly the epitome of etiquette in his/her response. I'd say tat deserved tit.
I see your point.
I invite you to read more on the Holy Bible my friend and pray that the Holy Spirit may guide you and see the truth in Jesus. Blessings.
How do you know the Holy Spirit is not working in anyone?
@Lady Guinevere- If you have been shared that Jesus will save your soul once you die if you only follow and believe him yet you still refuse to believe and don't want to repent.The Holy Spirit guides believers to understand the Bible.
LadyG - the Holy Spirit sees the Holy Spirit. Whenever we allow the Holy Spirit to work in us and see through our eyes, we see everywhere that the Holy Spirit is, and everywhere that the Holy Spirit is not appears empty to us.
SidKemp, who says? When you are born you take in that first breath--that is the Holy Spirit and it does not have a religion or a preference as to what it enters as in human or animal. The Narrow gate is the birth canal and the experience of death..
Lady: sometimes we have 2 let people have their unfounded beliefs. Their fear is real 2 them so we can do no more than state facts as we logically see them. There is no logic in superstition or mysticism.Blind faith is just that-blind
@LadyG, I agree with all you said. The Holy Spirit is in every living thing in every breath. & if we people allow the Holy Spirit to see through our eyes we can learn to see with the loving eyes of the Holy Spirit. I know this from my own experi
@Sidkemp- But for the people who are skeptical and refuse to believe no matter how much you explain the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ, I think you just have to let them go. Let them have their own choice. Spiritual blindness has no cure
Spiritual blindness has no cure? Neither does misguided spirituality as many seem to posses when it comes to the ill conceived bible, et al. You need some psychological help.
If the holy spirit is within us and so the Kingdom of God and everything then there is no allowing for anything. It is already there and cannot be stopped no matter what. It already is the proper vision FROM THE FIRST BREATH WE TAKE..
@d.william- 1Corinthians1:18-"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."
@Lady Guinevere-the Holy Spirit is only within the believers in Christ, not for the doubters.
Corinthians was written by Paul, the deceiver to HIS church, not Jesus or about him. I discredit him. Doubters..are those who doubt themselves per Jesus. Not by MAN. So says that Bible if you read it without other interpretation.
@LadyG - agreed again. The Holy Spirit is everywhere and always sees correctly. And so workinrg in each of us. If we allow the Holy Spirit to guide us, we will learn to hear her still small voice and see truly with her eyes. (Shekhina: feminine Heb.)
It truly saddens my heart to see people so entrenched in false teachings by men with agendas that lived 2000 years ago. Religious fear is one of the worst types of mental defect present today
@LadyG I think I interpreted your question differently than you intended. The Holy Spirit indeed works in all people & living things. I took your "how do you know" as "How can we know / see that this is true." Pls re-read my answers in that light
@d.william- That's resembles what the Pharisees told to Christ.That he was insane,their spiritual blindness caused them to their unbelief.
Life here on earth is just preparation to the after life. Either to eternal life or eternal damnation in hell
yank: U have my deepest sympathy for UR misguided beliefs. U cannot judge others by UR own personal beliefs. U can only judge yourself. UR beliefs have nothing 2 do with the fate of others with different views. Nor does ur religion.
Sorry, Silver. In the Muslim tradition, according to the Koran, Jesus (along with Moses and the Hebrew prophets and Mohammed) are all considered holy prophets.
There are people who don't believe in Satan, Hell or God. It's very liberating and makes you far more aware of being responsible for your own actions - when you stop blaming "evil" as if it's something outside of yourself.
Exactly That Grrl.
@That Grrl & Lady Guinevere -
We either choose to follow Jesus or Satan. It is written in the Bible Revelation 3:16
- "So, because you are lukewarm (neutral)--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth."
Jesus did not say that evil was outside of ourselves. He said it was inside us and told us to guard our thoughts.
The whole book of Revelations was about the Eruption of Mt. Vesuvius in 79 AD
yank: get UR facts straight. J.C. never wrote anything that is in UR bible. All quotes were written by those whose writing were chosen 2 make up the book U quote from. A book produced by the Roman Government.
Actually, crucifixion was a common method of execution in Jesus' fleshly days. If I recall (and it is a looooong memory from my days of trying to read the Bible), Jesus Christ was *murdered* alongside 2 other "criminals". His glory comes elsewhere.