Does the riddle of this question indicate the necessary presence of something that was superior to man (in order to create one or the other in the first place) ?
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Thanks but the question is not really about which came first - but rather does this riddle indicate that there must be something greater, in order that the riddle could be resolved to a logical conclusion.
Once again I would say if one believes in the biblical account of man's creation they (already believe) there is something "greater" than man. A Gallup poll taken in 2011 stated (9 out of 10) people in the U.S. believe in God or a Universal mind.
A good answer but it raises more questions than it resolves to me. The idea that the chicken evolved (from say some dot like creature) then the egg laying process evolved from the chicken is plausible, but the same question then arises about the dot
LOL, do remember that the egg has only half a set of chromosomes. Someone lays an egg, it get fertilized and become a creature but the creature is not an exact replica of the parent... mutation does happen occasionally and over time, presto!
Do remember that an egg has only half the set of chromosomes...
Logic: if an egg only contains half the chromosomes then evolution is definitely out
Not as simple as that... all life forms began from the primordial waters as primitive life forms and they evolve over time. Those that practice asexual reproduction gets wiped out over time because of their limited gene pool.
Good point, Walter, although I don't think the *classic* question bothers with matters of fertilization. For my purposes, come to think of it, I am going to assume that fertilization (embryo) is implied, and so a false paradox is presented in vain.
Stanwshura, WikiAnswers says: "Most chicken eggs produced for consumption are unfertilized. Eggs found in the grocery stores are typically produced by chickens that never come in contact with a rooster."
Right. I think we can assume that the egg in this question is not in the grocery store, but in a nest (usually) and still a potential chick*.
That's exactly how you end up with a paradox. Wrong premise, wrong conclusion because you simply refuse to accept the fact that eggs don't fertilize themselves.
That's my POINT. (Non-sibling) sex (fertilization) begets the NEW...what "chickster". The rooster is a given. Thus is begotten biodiversity and thus evolution! Chicksters are not asexual. Species survival MEANS change. Sheesh! I mean "HEESH"!
Stanwshura, how does the cock fertilize a non-existent egg? The hen must lay the egg first, right?
And both the hen and cock began life as what?
Stanwshura, read my other posts. I have answered that already but seems like you prefer your own answer. So just stick to what you wish to believe in.
What a derisive dodge! I asked. If you had an answer, you'd offer it. This was a discussion. But you apparently cannot handle a dialogue that wrestles with the real stuff. I believe in facts, not post-death fairy-tale "happily ever after"s.
Stanwshura, I asked you to read back my posts on this page, didn't I? You give me the impression that you want to stick to your point of view. That's why I tell you to stick to your own opinion. I am not here to change your views.
@stan there is just to much specialization in nature for macroevolution to exist. Can evolution explain interspecies diversity?
Jim, care to elaborate? Is it not one or the other, or could there be a third option?
QUOTE: "Go ahead make the question more complicated."
LOL, I am still wondering who created God. You mean He created himself and then created the heavens and the earth? By the way, the earth is not even an infinitesimal part of the universe.
@WaterPoon I implied that this answer is based on belief in the bible. If you believe in the bible, you believe that God has been here since forever (he was not created). Therefore, belief in the bible implies belief in a higher presence.
Thanks - The question is not about what each of us believes - but rather - given the complexity of the riddle , how could the riddle be resolved to a logical conclusion.
what you believe will lead you to a conclusion. This is not complex at all. Either offspring come from parents or parents come first.