First of all, please know that this question has zero sarcastic intent. Recently, I listened to Catholic radio and the response to this same question was that the New Testament does refer to Jesus' brothers, but that is is referring to the apostles or other like-minded individuals who are followers of Christ, rather than the step-brothers of Jesus. Yet Protestants believe Mary had other children, which seems correct to me. I do not understand this doctrine of "ever Virgin Mary." Personally, I feel that Mary is an important figure, regardless. Is anyone "in the know?"
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Hello Hetidh. True, the concept does seem to underline the purity she represents. Perhaps that was St. Jerome's intent. Nevertheless, I am disturbed that her uniqueness, i.e, purity were underlined in this manner.
I do agree with you. There are three pieces of scripture that seem to substantiate this rather clearly.. However, I do love the beautiful Catholic mass!
I hear you, Pollyannalana. Mary was/is a blessed mother. The Catholics I know do not worship her, but they do regard her highly, which seems appropriate. Thank you for commenting.
Sounds correct, Disappearinghead, partially because of Matthew 1: 24 & 25: . ..and he (Joseph) knew her not until she had brought forth her firstborn son....Jesus.
Hi Moonfroth. There is definitely that emotional connection. I do think the Virgin birth is necessary to the conclusion of Jesus' identity. But yes, there does seem to be a (Catholic) stigma that Mary's having sex would somehow render her impure...
Priests and nuns go against what the Bible states be fruitful and multiply. @moon I like that you did read the Bible with an open mind even though you are an atheist.
Yes. Catholics believe Mary remained a virgin.
How can Mary answer prayers when she is dead?
Hi peachpurple. I'm sorry to say that your friend isn't much of a Christian to say such things. The important thing is you stood up for your beliefs. Frankly, I like the idea of intercessory prayer!
Peace there might be some things I might disagree about the Catholic Church but to disrespect Mary-there is nothing bad about her for somebody to say mean things about her.
Thank you for stopping by, ftracy3. Frankly, I agree with your assessment. Why is perpetual virginity important? Your other points are equally valid. Yes, Catholic rituals are beautiful. They and other churches answer questions, but not always fully
Catholics do believe that Mary was a virgin her whole life, I believed that too when I was a Catholic. After I turned twenty-six I was introduced to the teachings in the Bible, and I learned otherwise. She did have other children
It has been years since I was a Catholic and maybe forgot hearing that or maybe what I learned from the Bible erased what I learned from Catholic School
Good points, Bonnie-Jean. St Jerome apparently made this distinction of the virgin birth, and you have answered my question in stating that Catholics accept knowledge from priests. Yet, I disagree with point 2. Unusual births, yes. Virgin births, no
thanks writ> that is indeed the story (and a great story it is!), but reciting the story does not answer Savvy's question, viz, why does the Tradition, and Catholicism in particular, place such VALUE on virginity? Why must Mary remain virgin?
Thanks MoonFroth :) I would have to say it is her virginity and her protection from anything impure that kept her holy. Her promise of virginity was one intended to last forever and necessary to fulfill her purpose as the Blessed Mother.
Hello Writ.The Super Gospels are a "harmony" of ancient gospels. The problem I have with them is that the only manuscripts which are scholastically sound are those originally written no later than 70AD. Later documents are comprised of speculation.
Moonfroth/Saavy, please comment on this. I fight with a friend who has alternate views about Catholicism/Christianity, particularly that the very theology of it all is copied from the Ancient Egyptians- Isis being their virgin mother. Thoughts?
cont'd -- given all the repetitions, how can one argue the efficacy of the Bible over all other bodies of myth? Mary's virginity is probably a plagiarism of older myths. Lifelong virginity certainly makes one special!
Hi Writ. Note "hiero gamos" where a mythological male consistently penetrates a woman to impregnate her. These mythical characters were indicative of the cycle of vegetation. Re: Pagan Mysteries, etc. read, Ronald Nash: The Gospel and the Greeks.
Where is any scripture proving this or even hinting at it?
Savvy-re: pagan penetration. Check out the vision of St. Teresa. A heavenly cherub with a beatific smile repeatedly plunges a golden spear into her heart. She SIMULTANEOUSLY has blinding pain and incredible ecstasy. Remind you of anything?
Moonfroth, the ancient religions did not have virgin births, just unusual births. The seeming parallel between Mary and paganism has been discredited, even by liberal professor, Thomas Boslooper. St. Theresa's ecstasy can bring hiero gamos to mind.
I just learned a lot, but what is true after those thousand of years...
Writ -- re: Mary/Isis as Virgin Mothers. Studying the great mythologies of world cultures separated by vast reaches of geography and TIME reveals a fascinating repetition of great mythic stories--the advent of a \messiah, great flood, virgin birth.
Writ & Moonfroth. Even Liberal professor, Thomas Boslooper, and religious Historian, Mircea Eliade, and all serious scholars have concluded that primitive Christianity was not influenced by Hellenistic mysteries. Virgin stories were popular A.D.
MARK 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Jude, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us?
(I found this passage the other day and remembered this question. This said - Jesus had siblings?)
Thank you for your very thoughtful comment, Larry Wall. Does not Mark 6:3 refute the supposition of Mary's virginity? Also, can you find the passage in the NT you spoke of? Know that I respect your Catholic faith; I've attended the beautiful Mass.
I can't find the passage I mentioned. Maybe I read something else years ago. It is a belief I accept as a Catholic. God chose Mary to be mother of Jesus. That alone makes her special. Mark 6:3 gives room for a theory but does not prove the contrary.
Mary is exceedingly special. No question there, Larry W. I still favor the historical account of the NT, as it was written between 30 to 70 A.D, within the lifetime of eyewitnesses. And also, Matt 1: 24& 25. Thank you much for your kind reply.
Hi Deb Welch. Thank you for a lovely Mother's Day message. No doubt, Mother Mary was a special and blessed woman, chosen by our Father to conceive Jesus, who was born of the Holy Spirit.
Don't forget - too - Mary and Joseph were both Jewish. They were not Catholic or Protestant before Jesus.
Yes. I appreciate your bringing this up, Deb Welch.