Don't get me wrong. I respect and appreciate every response, even if they disagree. That is everyone's right. But I usually don't waste time and energy in things that I don't believe in. Sure, I don't believe in Santa and still enjoy the fun of it, but that's all it is. Fun. But some of these questions and comments are serious stuff. It gets heated and many times offensive and angry. Why? For the sake of argument? Trying to change other's beliefs or disbeliefs? Help me understand. Both sides. BE NICE!
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I totally can relate to your last paragraph. I'm as guilty as the next guy. I have no problem when someone's beliefs differ from mine. But when they belittle my beliefs or call them "ignorant", I boil. It's hard clicking off, isn't it? Thanks.
good choice. idono
I also always am kind and thank them. However for the first time, my recent question, had a couple rude remarks. I deleted for very first time. Wish I hadn't, good for others too see that some people r rude over a mere simple question.
I think the word "topic" that you used is key. It's a topic that has no right or wrong and the beliefs are very personal. Maybe that's part of why people seem so offensive when they are actually being defensive. Thanks for input.
Very practical answer,Sid. My conclusion is, paragraph 2, is referring to those that are open minded and 3 is referring to those that are closed minded. Please correct me if my conclusions are incorrect. Thanks.
Thanks, Mitch. You mentioned " doctrine", which Is another topic for another question. But are doctrines of a religion truly what people believe or what they are told to believe? I'm not arguing. I'm just trying to understand the passion involved.thx
I used "doctrine" to include any belief system (religious,agnostic & atheistic). There are many doctrines under the umbrella of Christianity, not all are theologically divisive. If you believed something was vitally important, you'd share it, rig
Sure, Mitch. As long as I remembered that my belief or opinion is no more important than anyone elses. I'm only talking about the degree of importance.
The "Doctrine" of Jesus is the only "Doctrine" we must consider when answering any question posted. If not written in Scripture, "rightly divided," then it is against the Word of God!
Jlpark you say you are agnostic. Are you agnostic Christian or agnostic Atheist?
When I wrote this answer - just agnostic - as I didn't know there were
other definitions that worked better to explain how I thought. Now I identify as an agnostic-atheist. However I enjoy learning abt religion, I just don't believe in God/s.
All are welcome. I've learned that placing principals before personalities is important. Understanding people's motivations is a big part of that. The only rules on Hubpages are those set by Hubpages. I can't allow or disallow. Nor would I.
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an interesting take on the question
Respectfully, that's impossible. If I truly didn't believe there was a God, how could something that doesn't exist, manipulate anything? That makes no sense. But thanks for making me think. That's why I ask.
mintinfo...that is indeed a distinct possibility. Paul wrote to Philemon that Philemon should share his faith in order to grow up in his faith. The implication is that disciples of Jesus grow by answering questions about their faith and Jesus Christ
INDONO, whether you believe something or not does not make it real or not. Remember this "What you believe doesn't change what is, but what IS should change what you believe."
IDONO there are many things in this world that we do not understand. That is why some of us refuse to believe that our lives are pre ordained. Consider the example of a parasite that can control the brain of Cat owners. http://goo.gl/9KG0c
Mitch. I get what you're saying. My problem is that what I may believe in, is all I have. No one knows "What Is". Never will. What is real, is that we have beliefs or disbeliefs and those should be treated respectfully.
I love you mintinfo! You have an OPEN MIND!
Oooooh! I LIKE!
Amen! The unbeliever knows there is Something greater, but have no proof/no faith! I wish they would "try Jesus" if only to enjoy the "benefits" promised! Spiritual benefits!
Evangelical? I have yet to turn on my T.V. or radio and hear anyone preaching Atheism. Nor have I seen tents that advertized Atheist Revivals. If I don't understand "Evangelical", I apologize. One thing we all agree on. We all have freedom of choice
This is but one of the many examples of evangelical atheists... http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvo...
ecoggins: I hear what you are saying, "Everyone is Preaching!"
But few according to the Word of God!
I believe I can understand your response better if you explain your conception of "glorious destiny".
So does that mean this whole debate hinges on one's supernatural power has a name and one doesn't?
I believe I addressed this in the question summary. Everyone is welcome, either way. Rights aren't the question. Motivation is the question.
I rarely, if ever, read the ancillary information, the actual question is what is important, and what the thing is about. Clarity in the question is precision, the need for extra bits shows imprecision.
I believe the ancillary is there to provide a context in which the question is asked. Hopefully, in any subject, this keeps the topic from ending up all over the place. It also shows whether a question is being genuine or just sarcastic.
I don't believe so, I believe it is there to provide imprecision and a preaching ground, so I rarely read the ancillary stuff..
Crazy how calling someone illiterate and uneducated is somehow so much better to you than calling someone unintelligent.
Chill out! The whole purpose of this question was to hopefully create an understanding and respect of both sides. There's no room to be confrontational here. It adds nothing to the discussion. Answers to other ? don't belong here.
I'm sorry IDONO but this is one of those moments I stated in my answer. Calling everyone but oneself ignorant irks me.
Peeples. People "get my goat" all the time. Some people view people with a little less knowledge as ignorant, which is not true. Ignorant means "no knowledge". How you perceive yourself is what is important. I've read your stuff. You're no dummy!thx
I understand where you are coming from. I think. BUT, I do wonder why you assume that your use of ignorant is not offensive, yet if it used in the same manner (eg lack of knowledge) towards believers is it seen as offensive? Anyway, each to their own
Example: I do not know how to fly an air plane. This is an area (flying air planes) that I am well uninformed. (IGNORANT). In order for me to fly an air plane I must learn. Once learned I,m no longer ignorant in that area.
Grace not my point. Some Christians lack knowledge of certain subjects which they discuss with non-christians. Yet when we point out that they lack knowledge in that area, we are deemed offensive. Yet it is used in the same manner you are using. Huh?
Many so called christians are ignorant when it comes to the bible. I already said that in my answer. Let me make myself very clear, I, TOO, am IGNORANT about a lot of things in life. I am no different than any one else.
I'm just curious as to why it is deemed offensive if it comes from us. I'm not saying you find it so, I'm asking for your opinion on why. I think I have that from your last answer. Thank you for indulging me in my curiosity.
jlpark- please clarify US.
Graceinus. In the Merriam-Webster Thesaurus, some synonyms for ignorant are brainless,untaught,foolish, idiotic,senseless,silly and moronic. And more. Your definition is conveniently vague. Now, do you blame people for being offended?
IDONO- I have explained my use of the word "Ignorant" And have explained the context it which I meant it. If there are those who wish to read more into it than what I have stated and explain, then I could careless what they think.
Grace - US being those who don't believe or are agnostic.
The definition tho - it can only be taken by the dictionary meaning not one made up. Which is the meaning by which it is often take when used by us. If its nt offen frm u, it shldnt b frm us.
Webster's II New Riverside Univeristy Dictionary> Ignorant: 2.Displaying lack of knowledge or education. 3. Unaware or uninformed.
I'm not saying you were offensive. I may trust your definition and explanation, but some may not. If they look it up and see these other synonyms, they may misunderstand. I'm not taking sides here. Just trying to keep the peace. Thx.
Understood. So why then is it always taken as offensive when used by non-believers towards believers on a topic that the believer is genuinely lacking in knowledge about? It always seemed to b taken as an attack when it's not. Which is y we tk offns.
jlpark- Because of the synonyms words that people seem to attach to the word ignorant. They think the snonyms are what DEFINE the word. They don't look at the true definition.
So both believers and non believers should stop being so sensitive! That would solve everything. Discussions would be so much easier! If only we could make that work! :) oh well, dreams are free! (I am not trying to be cheeky!)
In all honesty, maybe, when a non-believer's choice is made, based on more knowledge than the believer has, he may become insecure in his own belief. At that point, instinct tells him he must defend his belief. The easiest way: call you the bad guy.
IDONO- As I said from the very start of my answer, I was not trying to offend anyone.
Graceinus. I know. My last commemt was referring to the insecurity of the believer, not you. I'm a believer. But not one with what I call an inflated religious ego. Sometimes I think that is what many are defending. I try to be fair to all. Thx
In Grace's defense, a believer as I,the word "ignorant" is used throughout scripture! (Rm 11:25, I Thess 4:13, Eph 4:18, I Cor 12:1-3, a few) If the Word of God offends, so be it! (Heb 4:12). Believers should always give scripture!
I would never ask anyone to not answer, unless they have a pattern of being rude. Who wants their company? I just want to understand what compels them to answer. Understanding creates compatibility. I want to be able to interact with all.
Thanks JT. Now I'm looking for the million dollar answer. Mick S made a good point about athiest questions. I guess I'm trying to make sure my own motivations are in the right place by identifying with others.
Well JT. What do you think? Considering the nature of the question, I think all are handling very well. I'd like to see this whole group open some kind of forum in the future. This has been good, healthy discussion.
Yes it really has my friend. God bless!
No one is better than anyone. I agree. It sometimes seems like some people forget that there is an actual person at the other end of their comments. Or they just don't care. Thanks.
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I think it is more a dislike of the insistent believers than anything else. It gets incredibly annoying hearing from "true believers" that you are going to an eternal punishment because you don't believe in their god.
Maggie your right, I agree.
However we all know of karma and whether we believe or not karma follows us. We may not know it's karma but it is. I always usr the case of OJ. Laughed is way out of court and bang, look what happened. Universe works it ou
I agree Maggie. I think of it as karma. Whether we believe or not, it follows us. Universe works it out for us. I always use OJ as an ex he laughed his way out of court and bam look what happened. Thanks to Divine intervention he's not laughing now.
I'm not willing to accept karma as an absolute. I sure some nasty people have not gotten punished. While I don't mind seeing bad people get their "just desserts," I'm not convinced it has anything to do with karma or a cosmic righting.
I'm amazed that someone, in my lifetime, has the ability to know the goings on of the "inner heart" of others. You have to "accept" that there are people that truly don't believe. Acceptence is the way it is; not how you want it to be. Thanks.
IDONO Look up the term empath. Oh how I wish it were not so. But some of us poor bastards walk around feeling what others do.
No. Some people do not believe in a god. Period. You cannot profess to claim you know their inner heart any more than I do. And they state they do not believe in a god. So, I take them on their word.