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So, you are assuming this?
SidKemp I agree. The Roman influence of control can't be underestimated, Christianity became a political vehicle quickly. Comparing parables etc in the Gospels with ancient Hindu knowledge... looks like Jesus traveled along the trade route to India
By the letter, JT must shut his mouth or openly invite only his wife to speak of such matters. Sid, if a woman responds to this question, are you adulterous for to answer as is JT? These men who speak with women openly must be subdued. JT regularly.
the gospel of Mary there is no such thing. the Gospel is Jesus Christ and He alone
There is a Gospel of Mary authentic or not, but it does not worship Mary any more than the Gospel of Matthew worships Matthew.. The Gospel of Mary is about Yahshua from his mother's point of view
Yes and we should understand what God said
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness….
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Mr Eric, Sorry if you are offended, only going by what the bible says. Or are we supposed to look over these issues because they are not "Politically correct?" I said nothing about color, age, etc.
Of course not my friend, if there is a bigoted bone in your body, I am not aware it. And your verses are truth. But I understand them to mean, "do not be offensive to the culture in which you minister". You believe they are a law unto themselves.
Wow, Eric. You are certainly demonstrating a mean and bitter spirit. It's bad enough most of your answer is not coherent enough to read.
Caleb what mean spirit --- in my words --- do you see? Is there something about JThomp42 and me that bothers you? We do not agree but we agree to love each other.
Eric, as do so many you are confusing ministry with authority, they are not the same Everyone is responsible for personal ministry to others but only men are given authority, and even that is extremely limited contrary to what the churches teach
Darling, Lady. All you write may be correct. But that does not change the facts and the scripture. Unless you and Deborah are claiming sainthood or high priestess status your role by scripture is subservient to men.
I think it was of the times.
You don't understand. The Bible has been changed by MEN to be a tool for MEN to rule OVER women, not the other way around. We are to be equal in everything thought and deed.
Thank you Lady. That is very honest and straight forward. Surely because of the time it was written and edited in large part, there is some truth to what you say.
No Ericdierker what Paul wrote is just letters, not scripture. Paul led people astray because he was a false Apostle. Read my hubs
We no longer live under the old law.
JT We will always live under the old law. Nowhere does scripture, God nor Yahshua say we don't. As a matter of fact it says just the opposite
We are cursed if we do not know the law.
John 7:49 "But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed".
Deborah how can you possibly insult us men and post here. Please post through your husband rf shut up. On your law you have no right and commit blasphemy to even write directly to us in public. Accordingly to the law of Deborah.
Ericdierker you really should grow up, you act as though you are ten. I'd be ashamed. Watch what you say to a child of God
Oh, since I posted only scripture I see you hate it
shut up Deborah. If you hold to the scripture then you are nothing to speak to this man. Don't you get that!?
I do not believe that. But you profess that. You say that the scripture is clear, but yet you have the audacity to speak to me? a man?.
I am Jewish I believe in the Old Testament only. I interpret the New Testament only but do not believe in it The OT does not teach what the NT does
Then how can you speak here in public? Are you blind and not aware or your female restrictions?
DS as a jew , yes YOU are under the law. and scripture says you are blinded for now. But when your eyes are opened and you finally come to Christ you will see the truth that the law was fulfilled in Him and is not valid to Christians
Celafoe No, it was when I was a "Christian" that I was blind, but God opened my eye and showed me the truth and I converted to Judaism. You Christians think you know more about the Hebrew scriptures than the Hebrews. Wake up before it's too late.
Deborah, that would have been such a right on comment. If the anger did not come dripping through it. Perhaps that is what your wonderful new "faith" teaches. Celafoe is Celafoe, and Deborah is Deborah. Condemnation of each other can only separate u.
God knows there was no anger and that is all that matters. People believe all you can express is positive stuff. Well that's not reality negative needs to be expressed. I will always speak what I view as truth regardless if it is positive or negative
Ericdierker it’s not a new faith for Deborah, she converted when she was 18. Celafoe called her a Jew & she’s not, she’s Jewish. She also called her blind. But it’s OK for you & Celafoe but not for Deborah
That;s right. After all I never said anything to Celafoe to begin with. But Celafoe like Ericdierker are always jumping on people. And I've read some real rude remarks from you Ericdierker.
Debora I am sorry to have insulted you. I was speaking in that role as someone who holds strictly to the scripture. Paul's instructions were/are clear. Woman were only to speak of church matters through their husbands.
JThomp42 What made you come up with the weird comment that we are no longer under the law"? Did you even read what I wrote? Obviously not. I spoke nothing of the Law. I think you were wanting to fight. No fight here
Deborah it is really hard to follow you. You go by strict scripture. And yes there are amazing women in scripture. But scripture overwhelmingly tells us that women should take a back seat and be quiet while men discuss scripture. What up with that?
No fight here either Deborah.
Wow talk about segregation by sex! Jesus told us that all the laws (new and Old) are in the minds of mankind, not in a book to use as a weapon..and that is what is happening here. I would LOVE to C some LOVE from that book shown here. here.
Ericdierker Although I interpret what is being said in the "New Testament" What you call scripture I call letters from a false Apostle. I am Jewish and believe only in the Old Testament.
The N.T. is Tares in the English Bible
So Deborah, what is Christ to you? What would you label Him. My Idea for someone as you profess to be: Is that He is a prophet. But your label of his recorded teachings suggest you think him a heretic and false prophet. Straighten me out please.
I think his teachings are great. It is Paul's I don't accept because his goes completely against Yahshua's
Deborah, please answer my question as to who Christ is to you and your understanding. I really want to learn it from someone of your convictions.
I worship God alone, and no other. You can read my beliefs on Yahshua in the comments here
I hope you have a letter from the government saying you are a "fee woman". Otherwise by the rest of Timothy 2 you are a Blasphemist for speaking directly to men this way. Don't you get it. By answering you just violated the letter of Paul.
I looked at your picture and although you look old you act ten. You really hate women, I can guess because they always reject you. Who would want you with your attitude
Lady you are insane, you quote scripture saying you cannot comment and then you do. What are you doing here? You are a female, that by your own words should shut up.
I am not a literalist, that means I want women to lead me. Are you missing something
women are very important, they have much personal ministry. But are not given authority. also ss etc that you mention are not a part of the church of Christ. They are a part of the church of man.
Emily you are definitely a Pauline Christian. That means you follow the false Apostle Paul more than God. Because God never gave those instructions. And Paul's letter are not scripture. They were put in the Bible but they are tares to deceive
1 Corinthians 14:34
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
1 Corinthians 14:35
And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their
No, this is what parts of the Bible written after the ascension of Jesus say.
Exactly Sid. New law.
I do not get it JT, you are conversing here on a question asked by a woman and engaging women in public. If we follow your "saith the law" you are committing blasphemy.
In your remark to me under my comment. Who was speaking of the law? People who say the law is dead are people who want an excuse for the sins they commit
They are Paulines
You break the law by speaking here in public. Who gives you authority to speak? Does you husband? Is he higher than the law? Girl, you must shut up. For by your law, you have no right to speak to me without going through your husband.
Ericdierker - Who was speaking to you? Did you make a comment to me? No but for some reason you don't know enough to realize it. No Jewish people like my husband does not put any restrictions on women. Shut up yourself rude person