What is the purpose for any any christian denomination to provide a certificate of baptism? Is this suppose to show some kind of proof? Does true baptism require some kind of writen proof?
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Certificates make a mockery of God by man recieving accolades by recieving a man-made certificate upon a man-made altar in a man-made building from a man-made salaried clergy member for a work that is solely done by Jesus Christ.
I strongly agree with both of you. Many thanks for you answer celafoe. And Thanks for your comment PandN.
Eric-I greatly welcome your answer and thank you. I believe a person's water baptism is an important and private matter between a person baptized and God. Certificate of baptism from any church, to me, cheapens the value and purpose of the baptism.
Call it intuitive, but I think you may want to calibrate that idea that what others do cheapens you. Would not that mean you are reliant on others rather than God. Grace, "example" is what gives us value to the Lord or cheapens ourselves to Him.
Eric- Thanks again. Allow me to put it this way. The moment Jesus was baptized. What do you think Jesus would have said if John tried to hand Jesus a Certificate of Baptism. Think about it Eric. God Bless.
I do not know for sure what He would have done --- but I know what He would never have done,,,, condemn John for it!! Think about it. That is my point here. It does no harm to God.
He probably would have said , as he did on another occasion, "get behind me satan". He would definitely not approve of this fleshly act of usurping His authority.
Like I said, He would not condemn John for it. And your point is well taken. Perhaps that would be for Christ to do --- but not for you.
He said these things (that He did) and greater shall we do. So then why would it be wrong for me to do the same as He? He gave us the right to use His name and His ways. And by His stripes we are to be healed. Why would this be different?
I suppose Celafoe, that you can make a biblical case for going around condemning people. Westboro comes to mind, as do some preachers. But I must tell you, it does not sit well with me. And folks like me have to worry about the damage it causes.
cheap shot Eric, you have a problem with semantics. condemning ACTIONS does not equate to condemning people. We are required to condemn wrong actions. I did not say anything about condemning the person.just as He condemned Peter's action not Peter.
Let get back on subject. Baptism is a part of our religionship with God. I don't see any benifit by certifying it on paper. And it's not biblical. And yet it is common amoung most churches and to what end.
jlpark- I have to agree with you on this case that it is not a matter of accolade, but it is a matter of that church maintaining it's control. Thanks for your answer.
of course the certificate has no value. It says they were baptized, but most that are baptized by the apostate churches do it for show, it does not prove a heart change. It is not proof of Being actually born again. therefore useless.
Motowo2Chitown- Your baptism is a step in your relationship with God. Your baptism should not to be used like some kind of membership card for a Church.
The masses around the world unknowingly worship Satan by bowing to a statue of Mary, or the Pope. The clergy convieniently avoid Scripture that exposes their promotion of idolatry. The certificate is simply about man-made perks and entitlements.
according to scripture all denominations are man made abominations. the catholics started it and the rest followed. Any time a man takes the place of Christ, then Christ stays away and leaves them to their own devices.
Well, I was answering the question you asked. I'm quite comfortable in my relationship with Christ. It wouldn't matter if my baptismal certificate were shredded or burned, it wouldn't change anything for me.
Motown2Chitown- I am very happy to know you are baptized. I do thank you for you answer.