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it almost seems as if some things are better left unknown. truth can be a scary thing.
Why would truth ever be frightening?
Truth can be frightening to people who find it's not what they thought it was. Someone hangs their faith on scripture being inerrant and finds out it's not is more likely to have a crisis of faith than the person who hangs their faith on their God.
I have been so interested in the mindset of those who do not believe biblical text. I have been thoroughly enlightened. Proof that it is valid lies solely within. The text cannot be believed without faith in it. Just as any other historical text.
Not true Cgemaea Other historical texts must be proven to be true or they are discarded readily. Only the bible survives in the absence of any hard evidence to back it up. And as a historical document it is very limited due to heavy editing over time
So sorry - So ignorant - So shameful - So wrong
Righteousness abounds through the word of God.
With this comes great wisdom and inspiration that spawns innovation.
Those that spread the word of God preserve a loving spirit.
God blesses those.
Interpreting any book incorrectly will confuse the reader, and there are plenty of confused readers of the Bible -- atheists and biblical literalists, alike. http://www.the-love-of-god.com/blog/biblical-liter...
For those who truthfully recognize the Bible as the Works of God, there is no reason to prove it is the Word of God. It is only the naysayer that requires proof, because they wish to justify their sins and corrupt others with their folly.
You're taking the talking serpent too literal. It stood for the devil. And about him eating dust and crawling on his belly meant he could never rise to salvation. His chances were over. Before you say the Bible is not real try understanding it.
you are so right, i know for a fact that there is no final answer among men/women it's all about faith in the end.
Brblog, with utmost respect to you and your view, I draw your attention to the life stories of various enlightened beings of different parts of the world. They all say that their all doubts have ceased to exist and they all look very sane.
Prophecies are self-fullfilling so this actually does not prove anything. If a man believes strongly enough that he is going to die tomorrow he will probably find a way to make it happen
You appear to be bent on proclaiming logic - so, using your limited logic - which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Man has written in the Bible that it was the chicken, but I would guess that your logic will attempt to prove this to be wrong.
By your logic the Bible was written by a chicken.
tbHistorian; you also have the contradictions within all holly books and the variance between versions, old testament, new testament, Koran, book of Mormon, etc.
Were they written by a god they would all tell the same stories the same way. Fiction
As usual, the naysayers attack through fallacy because they cannot provide truth. Variants in the teachings were introduced through each subsequent society as knowledge and wisdom expanded. However, naysayers never achieve knowledge and wisdom.
A wise man once said 'The only thing a document proves is it's own existence, anyone can write anything they want.'
So when asking for proof make sure you brought yours.
Blind faith is what causes wars 'If God is on both sides there can be no peace'
Although all of this is true that you are saying. I like how you are finally coming to some kind of a sense.
the doctrine or "belief" that there is no God.
"disbelief" in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
Yes, a disbelief. A lack of belief until something can be proven true. Only hard atheists make the claim that there is no God. Don't assume what kind of atheist you're talking to. It would be like assuming all Christians are Catholic.
I'm sorry JM. I had no idea that there were different denominations of atheism.
While the folly of the disbeliever continues to rant and rave, the righteous arrive at a peaceful place where righteousness springs love all around. The Bible is the word of God because it invokes righteous and love, not the evil that naysayers do.
Why blame the one's who want to carry the good book instead of the pagans who would kill them for it?
People who were killed for their religious beliefs (both Christians and pagans) = attacked and persecuted
People who had their beliefs disagreed with or challenged = not attacked, simply disagreed with.
Thanks for making that clear.
Thousands of MicMacs, Hurons and Iroquois, just to mention a few of the tribes, were butchered/murdered/killed (whatever term makes you feel good) simply because they did not want to be Christian. your argument is typical and shortsighted.
As a human, created in the image of God, I carry the Father's words with the Spirit of Righteousness outlined through the principles, laws, and morals distributed by those who promote blessings of the Lord. The benefits present solutions to others.
JT carrying the good book is not enough, you have to live it
What scripture verses prove your theory if you dont mine me asking, obviously you read it if you know , thank you
It is up to you to prove you are right and the above is wrong. you say it is the word of God and so that must make us 'pagans' - so do what the bible says then. Convert us, PROVE it is the word of god.
GENESIS 1:11-13 asserts that vegetation, including trees, was created on the 3rd day, but the Sun, GENESIS 1:14-19, was created on the 4th day.
Can you explain how trees were able to survive without the sun? or better yet...demonstrate it.
Getitrite any scientist can prove a tree can live without light for 24 hrs. Unless of course you are equating creation and evolution as taking the same amount of time. That is like combining oil and water!
just as you ask to prove the Bible and God are real, then i assume you could also prove that we crawled out of the sea as a clump of slime and became what we are now. i would sure like to see that. Evolution from apes? why are both of us still here?
getitrite, religious stuff is not something to be tested in labs as some scientific truths. In a like manner, scientific inventions are not meant for keeping in temples. Both these arena need different approaches, so dispute does not arise at all.
But, you cannot prove that it is not the word of God. God is knowable through the Spirit of righteousness. Everyone can write the actual words of God when they exchange beliefs with God. Moral righteousness brings the individual to the inner spirit.
All scripture and spiritual writings (books by New Age channelers, the Hindu Upanishads, etc.) are people who believe they are exchanging beliefs w/ their Gods and inspired by that God's word. Since we can't prove they're not, we should accept all?
The proof is in the actions of those that follow the teachings as written in the Bible by men who spread the word as disciples. Each individual must choose their path wisely so that they do not wander into the evil realm. Those with faith walk truth
yes, dear, assuming that behind the whole creation, there is a great creator or creators, can a man design a seed which can grow into a plant and produce a single flower ? insisting on something to be entirely true or entirely wrong does not help ?
an interesting take, thanks for the info.
thank you for speaking out, my personal beliefs are strong and i don't question them with such things but when someone put the question before me and i answered them it just did not seem to be enough for them so i reached out to the hub community.
Wise words, Kevin, welcome to Hubpages. Or should I say, Karibu!
Thank you for such a warmly welcome
I am in agreement with the distortion.
Kevin Khamati, it is very surprising that so much emphasis is being laid on books and written words. The sages have clearly stated ages ago that despite reading sacred books and chanting GOD's name till the eternity, no one can know the reality.
I guess the question will never be answered then.
You don't have to believe, Bobby.... you choose to or not. Simple as that.
As for the simplistic idea of climbing out of the sea, and "a clump of slime," can you not appreciate scientific process and the ability of humans to find logical answers?
God shows us what he wants to show us. Every day and every thing is a test. thats what i believe. i dont believe we crawled out of the sea and evolved from apes.
Bobby.There is a difference between belief in ACTUAL History and Myths. If George Washington was said to have resurrected himself from the dead, then it would no longer be sensible to believe such fraud, even though Washington is a historical figure.
So, Bobby, how do you think we came about? Did we suddenly just Appear? In a Flash, like from a magician's magic hat?
No one has said we evolved FROM the apes. We evolved alongside the apes from common ancestor.
Then why are there still apes jonny??
Because each species of animal, plant, bacteria, etc. evolves and adjusts to conditions and circumstances in order to survive. If you read "The Bonobo and the Atheist" by Frans de Waal, you would fine some enlightening understanding there.
Sounds like a fine read. No thank you Jonny. I know where we came from.
Do you remember the old-style fly paper? The sticky one that hangs from the ceiling? Very difficult for the fly to get off what initially appear an attractive landing pad.
Did the father outline the slaughter of thousands of Native Americans simply because they did not want to be Christian? Did he outline the burning of 'heretics' during the Spanish inquisition?
When evil attacks it comes as human versus human. The Father expects his followers to eradicate evil amongst men. Those who follow the teachings strive to eliminate evil. But those that support evil continue to strongly oppose that attempt.
Every person who "believes in" a god creates an image of that god in his/her mind. Those who wish to impose power with their beliefs will paint that god as paramount.
Brother, it is not the word but your perception of the word that anoints the word as word of God. Believe me, you keep pondering over any word even if spoken by the worst among us humans, when you perceive it all,then it is a word of God.
"Those who have eliminated fear from their lives know that it is the word of God. " Fear itself is the inherent factor in that god of your beliefs. Without the fear neither your god, nor your satan, has any power whatsoever.
Johnneycomelately,, you are right. For a minute ,assume that you are an immortal and and you will not die ever. In that very minute, there will be no God for such a man. Most of us seek God out of fear , very rare seek Him out of love or curiosity.
I have walked the path of righteousness where fear is never felt. Even when confronted by evil, fear was never present. As one who walks with God, I actively spread the word of God in every situation. This can never be removed by evil lies.
Very good tbH ! I bet that gets you a lot of kudos from your fellow "believers"but not much from your "god" that exists only in your mind.
God if it is God cannot say that one should believe Him blindly. As He uses his infinite intellect in creation, He expects us to use our finite one in a similar manner and find the truth of everything. If not , we must shun such God off our mind far.
There was more to do with it than being Christian. It was about the land.
Don't embarrass yourself:)
I disagree. The land was important, but if it was only about the land they would have simply killed off all the tribes rather than converting them. Insults don't help your argument any.
Thank you misslong123 it does help.
Then you are saying it isn't the word of a god but the words of men that you believe wouldn't be allowed to be wrong?
But every version of holly book is filled with contradictions within and between versions all I assume approved by the same god...
So it's true just because you choose to believe it? Even though you see the disparities, you choose to suspend your own intellect, in lieu of ancient absurdities, written, most likely, by deceitful humans, invoking childish magic.
I'm a Muslim and the bible was from God but as everybody said, there is a lot of changing in it ,people add and subtract from the Bible,
I advice u all to read about Islam and Quran.
Thank you very much
Borsia post the contradictions in the Old Testament please back up what you say
Rayne, how would you know God or essence ? By reading book/s or chanting words, if this be true, all the priests would have been in the embrace of God. You know this has not happened ? Just ponder over it, why ? Like butter in milk, gather essence.
If you believe that, it's fine for you. For myself, and a lot of others feel the same, such belief is out of the question.
you don't 'know' anything at all. All this is simply a belief, not knowledge.
Knowledge = fact, and facts have supporting evidence.
Why don't you people just live it alone? Why must you attack someone for believing in God? What is your reason for doing this? Your words are so minuscule to our faith, you are just wasting your time. Why attack people for their beliefs??
A question was asked and we are answering it. Why can't you be happy in your own faith in God? Why does the fact that others disagree with you so offensive? Do you have the right to force your religion on others?
Why are you forcing your beliefs on others??
No one is forcing atheism on anyone. Being forced to betray your beliefs by torture, imprisonment or death is an attack. Disagreeing and sharing ideas is not. Criticism of an idea or belief is not an attack in the slightest.
Lol at least you still make me laugh a lot. And you call atheists egotistical. Sounds a lot like projection to me.
JT, your objective is that EVERYONE will become christian like your self... right? That is the purpose of evangelism. I do not want you, or anyone, to become atheist. My choice stands as personal and remains as such.
Then why don't you stop belittling every answer that has to do with God and voting them into the negative comments?
When have I "belittled" you? I only call you out when you state "facts" that you feel everyone must accept. Numerous times I have appreciated YOUR beliefs as valid for YOU. Does your god not allow Me to be Me?
A real religious person is one who is convinced that God is infinity and if anyone including atheists says something about God even though appearing as ridiculous should be examined carefully with all grace. Free minds are rare among believers.
Like the dead sea scrolls?
it is true that there are things that man could not have known, such as the earth on it's axis. i'll stop by and read when you're done.
the Incas knew all about this Axis and procession and they never even had a bible so ... this is also false. Sumerians knew it to and the Dogone tribe of Africa.
CreeViking so what? God reveals truth with or without the Bible.
They who wrote the Bible did so as things happened and were revealed. Those in the Old Testament didn't have a Bible either, just those of the NT
Also in Korinthious A, says that bible is not creation from humans
(2;12).But finally human is copy from God,or not?
as I said before, you cannot make a statement of faith as if it were a statement of fact. You can use all the upper case letters you wish, but you cannot prove anything. therefore you are not stating any facts, just your beliefs.
If you god does not need help defending himself, why do you try to back up what "he" says? I don't accept this head-in-the-clouds, judgmental god you speak of. Ok, if you think that psalm refers to me, so be it, I am a fool I can live with that.
Interesting that you would use that verse and that word considering what jesus had to say about calling people fools in Matthew 5:22
i finished my statement and i also am not opposing spiritual inspiration, i am simply stating something that was asked of me but i want to be able to explain it in a more except-able way to them, so i chose to reach out the community rather than.....
You say just a thought, my dear, you have grasped the real essence of God. Your each word is full of wisdom and touched my heart ,mind and soul. Thank u very much.
Thank you as well, Harishprasad. Your kind words are truly appreciated and valued. Many blessings to you.
This is a good answer, we live by faith and the good book was written for those that have/keep the faith. You bring up good points when you say that no man would be able to decipher the codes from God with such prophecies that only God knows.
Thank you Laurie. God bless you!
This is faith based on assumption. You cannot state a matter of faith as if it were a matter of fact without hard evidence proving the fact to be so. And you have none. I respect your faith but do not accept your statements as fact.
CreeViking ....... Where is your "proof?"
Funny how this "masterpiece" that could have easily been written by mere ignorant goat herders, is nothing but the most depressing, inaccurate, unscientific, genocidal book in history.
Faith can be dangerous. Especially if it's all you got going for you.Consider how much we do is based on faith alone. When CNN puts one of their 'experts' in front of you how do you know he is an expert? Cause CNN told you so? Faith is dangerous.
"Again" what is your proof?
JT, if you want to hang on to that faith of yours, to believe in whatever inspires you from the bible, hang on to it! But if you venture into argument with those who have thought beyond those scriptures, then you stand to lose your faith in faith.
Okay jonny since you want to put in your two cents worth give me proof that the Bible is not real. Give me proof that God is not real??
JT - no one can prove something doesn't exist, all you can ever say is 'I have no proof that it does exist' - so since I see no proof that it IS the word of God I will continue to assume it isn't until I see proof of otherwise. So prove me wrong
CreeViking..... give me the proof? Prove 2 billion people wrong?
Someone wants to shift the goalposts and demonstrate that they know nothing about the burden of proof while using every possible logical fallacy (appeal to popularity) if you claim a god exists, you have to prove it.
JM...... You're a non(believer) and shout it from the roof tops. So you "believe" firmly there is no God. "Prove it."
If you have a book made of paper with printing on the paper, of course it's real. If it's only in your mind, it's not yet real, except in your mind. Two billion people having a belief in their minds does not make it fact. Only two billion "gods."
No, You're wrong. I do not say there is no God. Atheism means "without theism". I lack belief in a god because no God has been proven. Just admit you cannot prove your beliefs are actually true and you don't care if they're true or not.
jonny..... I believe God is real. You believe he is not. Atheists are constantly asking us to prove his existence. Prove me wrong!! Any of you?
You cannot prove a negative claim, Jeff. You cannot prove that Bigfoot does not exist, and insisting that people try demonstrates weakness and ignorance or logic and debate. Prove it true or admit defeat.
JM... You are an atheist and do not even know the meaning of the word. God is proven to me without a doubt. Prove me wrong?? You cannot! Check your thread for the many of the word atheists.. One who does not "believe"
JT- facts are not a democratic process. 2 billion 4 billion makes no difference the number. You are only proving that this debate offends you so perhaps you should withdraw from it?
JT, all you are proving to the world is that you have stopped searching for anything beyond your belief system. Before any of us can enjoy a walnut we must crack it's shell. But you probably feel so safe inside there, you don't want to get out.
I am not offended. I feel sorry for you. Atheists' argue because of fear and ego. Christians debate because of faith and the belief in God. When are u people going to get that fact? You can do or say anything. My God is much more powerful than words.
So your god is the strongest shell in the world....right?
Prove how powerful he is, then. Prove that he exists at all. I've seen your ego, jt, and you are hardly in a position to speak for atheists when you don't even know the different types.
Of course jonny. JM.... Like I have replied on your thread, there are "not" denominations of atheist. Either you are or you are not. No grey area for that one JM.. ONLY BLACK AND WHITE. Either you are or not. :)
I don't deny you the right to hang on to any belief you wish.....just trying to show you that there is a world outside of that shell, and that opening to the wider world might bring you closer to your true god.
Thank you jonny.
JT - Don't confuse me with other people. This is a sign that this discussion offends you. I can see it in your posts. You 'debate' & we 'argue'. Feeling 'sorry' for me is a waste of your time.
There are different kinds of atheists, jt. There are strong atheists and weak atheists. There are gnostic atheists and agnostic atheists. It's not a denomination. The only thing all atheists have in common is disbelief in a god.
Same question back at you my friend. How do you know the Quran is from God? As with all religions Islam is a matter of faith not fact. A man of Islam can no more prove the Quran is from God than a Christian man can prove the Bible is from god.
Hello Everyone, the sun, moon, stars, visible creation, dry season and winter, seed time and harvest - all this point out to the truth that there is an invisible God who made all things. May God grant u His spirit to know Him in Jesus name! AMEN
Relegating reasons to "faith in god" is easy. You don't have to prove a thing because you can't. There have been thousands of good, diligent, hard working scientist who have provided us with scientific and more plausible explanations.
hahaha. the Quran was derived from a guy that climbed a mountain and changed the Bible to fit his own needs. its no different than what the Mormons or Catholics or JWs. Do your own study, find out which Bible is the closest to the original text. KJ!
unen- tsogt, if this vision stated by you is the outcome of your own experience and deep contemplation and not on account of blind adherence of a particular theory, then I respect your way of looking at religion even though I believe in God.
King James. no. every other offshoot including Islam that wanted to skew the word of God to thier favor..yes. King James Bible gives us the version that is the closest to the original manuscripts. thats all i need. Bible 200+ yrs older than Kuran