I think this is a fair question to ask a person who is atheist. This question is not asking for christians to prove there is a God. I am asking if an atheist can prove their isn't. I would ask that all replies to this question be kept civil. Any insulting replies will be deleted.
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Mitch Alan- Would you be kind enough to define what you mean by universal negative. Thank you for your answer.
A universal negative is the proposition that something does not exist anywhere in time or space in the entirety of time and space.
Mitch Alan- So if God is spirit, which most of us christians believe, then does this rule or description you just describe still apply? Thank you
I'm a Christian as well, and the definition still applies as it refers to all of creation...it is impossible to prove a universal negative, unless you are God. An atheist would have to claim to be God in order to categorically claim there is no God.
Mitch Alan- Thank you for your comments.
peeples- thank you for your answer.
Kathleen- Thank you very much for your answer.
I must admit that I am in total agreement with you. Thanks for the info.
Kathleen, exactly - beliefs are beliefs and facts are facts. It's simply a matter of definition.
Billie- O.K. then, this same logic also applies to atheists. The fact that atheists can not prove there is no God, then it's also a conviction that has caused their belief too. There's no such thing as a onesided coin.
graceinus, I don't think conviction is in the mix here. Conviction can be interpreted not as it's precise definition, but as it's generalized meaning of belief. So to be precise, I'm agreeing with Kathleen's very FIRST sentence.
Billie- Thank you for clarifying
i must disagree slightly on this kathleen. isnt it possible a person holds a set of believes because of the facts?
Ch, We have beliefs based on facts and beliefs not based on facts. Those who say their belief is based on facts can prove their beliefs. Those whose beliefs are NOT based on facts, don't have to b/c they admit that their beliefs not based on facts.
Marlene- Lets assume for the moment what you say is true that the only things that can be proven is what can be seen. Then how do we account for such things a air, gravity, love and so on. These are things we are aware of but each can not be seen.
OK, graceinus. You've got me! But, the question was about God... whether or not an atheist can prove there is not a God. I was merely trying to stay on topic.
If I believe it's wise to sell my house, but, based on the facts as u see them, u PROVE to me that it isn't wise to sell my house now, you can call me foolish to sell it, but my belief remains. I really don't care if my belief is based on fact or not
Billie- The word BELIEF has the following meaning: The mental act, condition,or habit of placing trust or confidence in a person or thing. According to this definition what is need is trust or confidence NOT facts.
G, I admit there are no facts to prove my non-belief. I have "confidence" / "trust" in ME, so I really don't need facts. If you need to prove that I can't prove that God does not exist, you got it. I really don't see why that would matter to anyone.
Billie- My point regarding BELIEF is to show that it applies to both sides of the coin. For an atheist it does not require proof that God does not exist. But it's a bouble standard when they apply this rule to christians to prove God exist. Why?
G, Ah! NOW I get it. So, hmm....this question is actually at the CORE of religious TOLERANCE. Each person has a set of beliefs, none of which, at this point in time, can be,nor should NEED to be, proven to another. I'm glad I kept pursuing this q.
Billie- Yes, and thank you for pursuing further.
graceinus - Right on target! In the same way that Christians can't prove there IS a God, atheists can't prove there ISN'T a God. No right/no wrong. All we have is simply what we believe. Nevertheless, people will still fight over this issue. So sad.
Thief12- thank you very much for your answer.
getitrite- I am merely asking a question. Both atheists and christians have reason for their belief. I am asking if an (any) atheist can prove there is no God. I am open to there answer(s). Thank you.
exactly right on this answer getitrite. The burden of proof lies on the one who claims that something is a fact - not the other way around.
Christin- An atheist must have a reason for his/her belief. Strong enough reason that gives them no doubt there is no God. If there's no doubt on their part, then it would be nice if at least one can show proof. I mean, it's only logical. Thank you.
beauty of being free nuf to doubt is that I really don't have to prove anything to anyone except me. All I need to know for ME is that whatever I do in world promotes good for another. If being silent about my disbelief helps, then I'll be silent.
Sorry that you search for a reason to rationalize your beliefs. Are you happy that you have found a loophole in the laws/logic that allows you to assuage the dissonance in your illogical beliefs? BTW, Allah is the real God. Prove he's not.
Allah is a God produced by a mere man. Mohammed. What miracles did he perform, whom did he heal, etc. He only preached violence. This was the reason for his death.
That is not what I asked. I asked you to prove that Allah is not the REAL God. I didn't ask for an opinion. Could you give me proof....Please?
Read the Koran
Reading the Koran does not prove that Allah is not the real God, or are you that unaware of the laws of logic? You know...the same logic you use against us, in support of YOUR false God. You don't get to decide this strictly by your opinion. Thanx
getitrite- Can you answer the question I asked? Yes or No.
Unless we can agree on a definition of who or what God is, it's a meaningless and ridiculously irrational challenge. What is the definition of God? Could Allah, Jupiter, Turnips, or The Beatles qualify? Or is it similar to a Rang-Dang-Do?
getitrite- Let me get this right, as an atheist you don't know what it is that you don't believe in. How odd. Your the one who don't believe in it so you tell me.
Can we agree on this definition....?
God: n.- An omnipotent, omniscient, ubiquitous, and loving creator, who exists outside the known dimensions.
getitrite-That is fine. Now, can you answer my initial question? Thank you
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is not loving. Is he both able and willing? Then why is there evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Not by definition
getitrite- All I see is your six questions. I'm still waiting for you to answer Can an atheist prove there is no God? Your six questions does not answer my one. I'm still waiting. Thank you.
Really? Then apparently you are choosing to maintain ignorance and superstitions despite your own common sense, as I have proven that this entity cannot be real because of the paradox. A thing cannot be( A) and not( A) at the same time.
getitrite- Your six quistion are implying that you have the knowledge of God's full will. Do you?
Yes I do. And you can't prove that I don't.
So there is a God. Thank you very much and have a good day.
So since you think, for some bizarre reason, this suggests that statements like that are warranted, prove that there is a God. Or do you think that somehow you have been relieved of that responsibility?
getitrite- What I find amazing is that you use God to try and prove there is no God. This is typical. Yet through logic you can not prove there is no God. You are using what you claim does not exist to prove God does not exist. I call it illogical.
Grace, this whole exchange has become completely absurd. Unfortunately, a delusional mind will assert any dishonest misrepresentations, in order to still, desperately get its fix.This is why your beliefs cause so much conflict. How absurd. Good bye.
Good-bye. I do wish you the best.
Billie- Thank you for your answer. What a person believe is and always will be a matter of choice. And in every choice we make we have a reason. Sometime our reasons are a work in progress and a final choice has yet to be made. God bless.
M.T.- I thank you for your straight forward and honest answer.
LoisRyan13903- Thank you very much for your answer
creativedoc- I agree in that there are many unknowns about our universe. And exactly how much of it is unknown is unknown. There are many things that exist that we sometimes find it difficult to explain. Thank you very much for your answer.
thomasczech- I like your answer and thank you.
Benjamin Chege- Many thanks for your answer. Blessings