No matter how much I want to be part of the majority my brain just doesn't allow for the belief in a God. What is different about the brains of non believers (or maybe it's just me) that makes me/us incapable of belief even when their is a real desire?
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its interesting thats the same argument that many christians use against atheists. saying they really do know God exists but that they are just lying to themselves so they can keep on sinning. this doest seem to prove or disprove anything.
Christianankist, Trust me, atheists are no more interested in sinning than Christians and in many cases hold themselves to even higher moral standards. It's not me I'm talking about; it's the numerous "non believers" that I've known.
i realize that. the most fundamental rule of christianity is to admit we're a sinner. I was only pointing out to M.T. that he is using a similar line of thought many atheists accuse christians of that leads nowhere. i try not to use this reasoning.
Christiananrkist, got it! Cheers :)
lol. cheers to you as well.
It is the same argument. My point was that we can't lie to ourselves. If we believe in god, we can't pretend we don't and if we don't, we can't pretend we do. The most important thing is to be true to oneself.
I think you hit the nail on the head, faith requires risk, it can be uncomfortable but "no pain, no gain"! I like your other comment, "what do you have to lose", this always made sense to me.
Wba- Thanks. Sometimes fears disguise themselves too. I thought I feared that leap of faith. But with time, I realized I was afraid that I wasn't worthy of God's blessing, therefore, hiding. We are all worthy. Even the skeptics. We must love ourself.
Beautiful answer, Neil. WE ALL are Gods, however, WE refuse to realize this. Stop depending upon outside religious structures and cultivate our own unique spirituality! That is THE MARK of true spiritual maturity!
Thanks gmwilliams :-)
There is so much literature out there to support this... and my personal experience continues to unfold/reveal this truth to me as well.
I like, "It is time we abandoned the building blocks of kindergarten". It's as if we never got beyond the literal alphabet and can't see that the "t" in little is pronounced as its cognate "d" in running speech.
Billie - thanks - I like your observation
Well said, people often confuse religion with relationship! Its not head knowledge, its a knowledge of the heart that counts.
This is a lovely interpretation/explanation. Sometimes, for agnostics and atheists, the belief of "God" as preached from the pulpits and from the Bible seems as if would be insulting to a Creator of the Universe.
Thank you so much Billie. It is greatly appreciated in kind.
Yes, beautiful, GW. Those who follow because it is popular are really only following ego (the heart of selfishness). That's not good. It never is.
But there is an ultimate truth. We have to remain humble and to search for it
This falls in line with what I believe. I call myself an atheist because I do not believe in a diety that is separate, but I do believe in an energy that permeates all beings and connects us.
THERE you go. I believe in the UNIVERSAL FORCE a/k/a God. Beautiful, succinct statement indeed.
Beautiful CristinS. God is not separate. It's our decision (ego) that made us separate. And this is beyond energy. Energy is physical. Spiritual oneness is non-physical and source of things like energy, space, time and mass
Silva, Yes! It takes a great deal of self-discipline to kindly smile when someone tells you "Everything happens for a reason!" I wish they would say, " I understand your pain, and I know you'll be able to CREATE a reason and purpose out of this"
There is no hard evidence for evolution either.
There is hard evidence for evolution. Ask any archeologist.
hard evidence is kind of a relative term. there actually is evidence for both evolution and God it depends on what you accept as reliable or satisfying. to each claim. this is why the issue is always debated even among archeologists.
I'm referring to scientific evidence. It's true that anyone can interpret evidence however they want, but our society runs on evidence that can be discovered, studied and tested. Evolution fits that method, god does not.
funny you say evolution fits that when many secular scientists deny it to be true for varying reasons. also you specified archeologists. which also backs up biblical accuracy about its events. more of a forensic type science really.
I referred to archeologists because that's how we've discovered the bones that display the evolutionary process. And, while the same digs can reveal that the bible used real events and places, it can't provide evidence for the existence of god.
Beautiful, Miz. If we start with love, then we have a more solid foundation than anything to which ego can guide us.
But so many people misinterpret the Bible (skeptics and believers, alike). There is Truth in it, but it's not literal.
I love the humanist mind set! I see what peeples is saying. At's really hard to be at the periphery of the mainstream, especially recently, it seems. Very lonely. That's why the Unitarian Universalist Church is "calling" to me :)
I guess the desire is to make sure I have tried my hardest to look at the possibilities and see if I can make it work for me. Being married to a Christian, makes me want to at least do my best to see if I can relate.
Peeples, that may be the crux of the problem. Are you being pressured by a Christian husband? Follow your subconscious, not his."Faith" can be a four-letter word sometimes despite the extra letter.
Ms B, Me thinks that the Christian husband may be the crux in 1 way or another.While some religionists respect the rights of those of differing belief perspectives,others insist the "other" is in error,wanting to "save" the later.
Actually it is me. I know he has belief and if by some crazy chance I am wrong and heaven is real, I'd be kicking myself if I never even tried to spend eternity with him. I doubt I'll ever be able to believe but I owe it to us to make sure.
RBJ, there can be conflict in the mind -- desire vs. fear
Peeples, you're on the right track. You've started with love
Maybe this is my problem. I truly searched out a god as a child and never found anything. I was young so I doubt my intentions were wrong. I think this is where it all started. Faith seems to be only something I can gain for those close to me.
Its my experience that the only way to find out about God is to take the risk and step out to put your trust in Him.
Love this: We "... tend to think that it is ok to make-up answers to these questions and accept these answers until they are disproven or replaced with more provable ones."
Life is not a "true-false" exam; it's more of an essay question.
As a scientist and mathematician, I agree it's not possible to prove God, but I've seen too many miracles not to believe. Those who don't find empirical evidence don't want to find it.
Scientist's and mathematician's haven't found the answer either but they would like us to think they know it all. The new propaganda is, we can artificially recreate it all and you wouldn't know the difference, unless you actually care as you seem to
It is wonderful that you want to love God but it is God that first showed His love for you and all of us by giving His Son to die on the cross for forgiveness of our sin. God draws us to Himself for that salvation. Are you responding for salvation?