Many religious folks are decent, good people. Some of my best friends subscribe to institutionalised superstition - and are good humored enough to let me say that without taking offense. But most religions per se enshrine some deeply offensive and discriminatory views and practices (against women, gays, people of other faiths, animals, freedom of thought etc.). Isn't it weird that such faith systems seek to exempt themselves from rational criticism on the grounds that they are being discriminated against? So which is more important, freedom of faith or freedom of speech?
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Sri T: Laws exist because we do NOT have "faith" that everyone will be good. We have a constitution---a written framework of government, because we do NOT have "faith" in leadership being good.
Faith, in your description, is wishful thinking.
Laws are beliefs that things should be done a certain way. They are enforced by the military, the courts, the police etc. due to noncompliance. The law itself is built on faith in doing the "right" thing. They believe its right. Not wishful thinking.
Sri T: Don't you see the conflict in your comment? If we had "faith" in people and institutions we'd have no laws. We'd all just be acting in "good faith" with each other OR all be hoping and wishing that we'd all behave.
There is no conflict. The whole constitution is built on ideas, beliefs that certain things should be. Obeying has nothing to do with those beliefs. They must be enforced. The belief is only in the decided direction to go. Everybody will not obey.
As I understand you, power over others is your driving force?
I believe you are recommending a theocracy and if so would you articulate the great benefits that this has brought to humanity. Which god are you promoting?
I am saying faith to believe in an idea or a direction. Everybody has faith but everybody will not use it. The people who achieve have faith in their ideas and ability. If you want to win you must have faith. Very little is achieved without faith.
To win you must have faith? So faith (for you) is nothing more than some material advantage; a stick to beat the competition?
What god says have faith in me and achieve and win at every game?
Sounds like what Satan, however mythical, claims.
Your explanation is ambiguous, as you are equating faith with ambition, perseverance and any other form of motivation. Your 'faith' then has nothing to do with a god?
faith:a firm belief in something 4 which there is no proof. Everyone has faith in something.This concept is not limited 2 religious beliefs & is always blind 2 fact, & often 2 reality itself. Plus it is strictly an individual 'choice'
If you don't have faith, or any beliefs, what do you have? It is belief in God or a higher power that gives you the faith to do everything. It is spiritual power. I guess Jesus was a materialist. He said you could have whatever you desire by faith.
Having rarely been exposed to people who put their gods above all others---who value something never heard, never seen, never touched, and never experienced---prior to being on Hubpages, I am actually beginning to feel very sorry for you all.
You don't realize what you are saying. Your next breath is taken by faith. You have the assumption that you will live. You have faith that this country will allow free speech. They could stop honoring it. People have faith in it. Laws are forced.
Stereotyping is not a particularly wise approach. You gain nothing and endear an ignorance.
While we may not agree with any particular religion's philosophy,we must respect their right to exercise their beliefs, as long as that right is not willfully projected on others or to judge them as inferior.
The facts are simple: Putting one's "eggs" in the god/religion basket is sad and pathetic. How about instead of some investing in imagined or mythical beings, we invest in each other---human beings, focus on here/now and make the REAL world better.
Sadly, space is limited here. If you refer to me and assume that I am a theist, you are wrong.
Are you saying that women and gays do not have time to reason or that they are incapable and should not be penalized because of that infirmity?
I am not sure I understand your comment snerfu.
Freedom of speech is something we "rationalize"; freedom of faith matters for the "other" (women, gay, other faiths).
Advocating freedom of speech is "sermonizing"?
Can you clarity these comments?
It would seem that you have deleted a father's role in raising children, as a father and grandfather I find this enormously offense and insulting. Would you like to apologize?
moneymindit---Absolutely not true and to explain that would require more space than allotted here.
Most people do. The question is how to achieve that peace. Is peace defined by the Crusaders, ISIS, Marx or one who says, lets just have peace?
Yes, we SHOULD all live in peace, but the truth is---particularly in the present, that sectarianism disrupts peace and the possibility of peace. Religion is the new geopolitics.
As the song says: "Imagine no religions."
The world---a better place.
melz14-If you assert that a god created our DNA; does it take responsibility for the creation of dna mutations ie. deformed babies, still births and brain malfunctions?
deep---You might consider that if you do not have freedom of speech you have no voice to speak of your beliefs. The government defines beliefs and you will not speak differently. Please understand what the Bill of Rights is and why it is.
Your comment, as with some others, is of concern. You are saying that free speech is good, as long as it is not to free. Who is the arbiter of free speech? Can that arbiter create laws against certain words and jail for their use?
The assertion of a god given freewill is a curious thing. You were born with a coded DNA that makes you what you areand the decisions you mak. Were you consulted when your d-helix of nucleic acid was composed? If not then where is your free will?
Free will is a sort of Christian "Catch-22". God (supposedly) invested people with free will and then punishes them for using it---particularly if they (according to the myths) exercise that free will and choose NOT to believe in him.
the sad part of being 'instit..super..' is that 1 was not given a choice when indoctrination is done at an age before 'reasoning' sets in, therby 'negating' the choice factor.brainwashing a child offers 0 choice.
If your god did not give you a free choice as to the make-up of your DNA, which is you. You then are destined to be what the god designed you to be--no free choice. This is called predestination.
Cj: Ur right in respect 2 the physical. My reference is 2 the psychological development especially with the indoctrination into cults, or religions that children have no choice in. Deprogramming is rarely achieved in adulthood. i.e.;no choice
As DNA constructs your body, it constructs your brain, your talents, your IQ. Nurture plays plays a role, but all is contingent on the chemical structure of the brain. To bad space is so limited.
I am delighted to see you all exercising your freewill! Personally I believe God gave us boundaries and rules in order to live good lives. If we make decisions and break those rules, which already have consequences is that not our responsibility?.
cj et al - who made the DNA etc? Also its easy to judge others when you don't know what you are talking about.
In a world that offers a diet of violence, disrespect, disharmony, greed and a world without boundaries, I believe that church offers children the opportunity to experience relationships with their peers, outside of the classroom, teaching them how t
AKC--There can be much of the social structure within a religion that is positive. We are pack animals and are drawn to the camaraderie, as many are drawn to any social gathering where they are acknowledged.