i'm agnostic and skeptic. And just want to know people's opinion, comment, and expression about atheism.
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Thankyou for clarifying that atheism is now a fully formed philosophy and not just a "disbelief in God".
Nearly every hub atheist on hp has denied this.
Link for example. But here in this discussion no atheist has yet denied your portrayal of atheism
I dont recall denying this Oz. Just because i do not view it as a philosophy myself does not mean i have denied it.
So do me a favor and stop putting words in my mouth.
Well lets hear more of your objections to the very idea of atheism as a philosophy. If a theist makes the claim we nevet hear the end of it
What theist has made that claim? You know without asserting that a lack of god must mean a lack of morals and that the atheist secretly believes in god anyway
Also, why do i need to object to this, considering how i already elaborated in the forum?
I have been stating on hp for about 2 years that atheism is a philosophy and been met with personal attacks for it! Incredible.
Now was that before or after asserting that atheists were trying to legalize Infanticide and bestiality due to their lack of morals, and that atheism as a whole is responsible for the moral downfall of the US and terrorist attacks upon it?
"Atheism is not---a disbelief of the existence of god(s) or other deities" this ambiguity in your content nullifies your stand. Do you believe in God or not and if you don't why call yourself an atheist and not a humanist.
Reginald--I cannot disbelieve in something that cannot be proven to exist. Would it make sense, as an adult, to say that I disbelieve in Santa Clause? I prefer the designation of Sapien, a reasoning being.
Try reading Kurt Godels math proof of god
@Oztinato Seriously? One person has a philosophy and it applies to all atheists? So since Fred Phelps was a Christian I can safely assume all Christians are exactly like him? Atheism is not thinking God is real. Individuals have philosophies.
The Hub record shows I have never lumped all atheists together.
Where have you been the last 2 years??
Thats a fair balanced scientific view. Well put!
greatly balanced scientific and spiritual view
lonestar, Sorry, but again, this is merely your unfounded and completely biased opinion about something that you are incapable of understanding. Because, as you stated, your mind is wired for superstition, instead of REAL critical thinking. miracles?
This is an honest question: I'm curious about why you want your children and future grandchildren to grow up with religious myths and then, as adults, find out they were false? Are you not concerned that it might cause them psychological problems?
Just because they are exposed to it doesnt mean they believe it to be true. In the best case scenario anyway. I think the point is to let them figure it out on their own and not really encourage either viewpoint.
You are following correct ethical atheism which links scientifically to the past evolution of ethics. Congratulations
I believe it is wise to allow your children to be exposed to a church environment. Even though you deny God's existence. I hope they become prosper productive adults. I believe they will.
This answer is just as bizarre as Steve Harvey's gross misunderstanding of atheism. Like Harvey, you seem to have been indoctrinated to believe that morals come from silly holy books. They don't. And why is it unnatural to be intellectually honest?
Reginald--Gods are unnatural and violate Man's capacity to reason. You might do well to read up on the history of Christianity and the savagery it brought to humanity, but than, it is said that ignorance is bliss.
Wow, it's morally immature to suggest we only don't commit genocide because God is watching. Is it the only reason you don't murder? If so, your religion has prevented you from maturing ethically.
So newborns and young children are unnatural and hedonistic, considering how they have no concept of god.
I hope you arent a teacher
You could be right. Look at north korean atheism and it looks religious or at least like a Cult. Its an atheist cult
Actually, atheism is 'a' plus 'theism' and means without belief in God. What part of yourself did you assassinate so you don't believe in Ganesh or Zeus? It's unnecessary to kill anything to not believe in the supernatural stories of other cultures.
I see the beauty and importance in all religion
I am sure the Flying Spaghetti Monster is pleased to hear you say that Oz.
I agree that your stand is nothing.
Mmm, taking things out of context.
Dishonesty suits you well
Oh, you mean this context? "Let it be clear that this is my hub Tsadjatko, i do not need or desire your biased garbage on my hub. You also ask my permission to post any links first" That makes you sound better? More like bigot - er.
only a man of stupidity can conclude without knowing the whole part of the puzzle, what I'm implying is a brilliant atheist and agnostics cannot conclude without knowing the principles of not only the Roman catholic religion but all oher religion pri
Ahh, there we go. Still missing a part but these character limits...
So what was that first reason you neglected to mention in your answer that the comment was deleted for again?
And here we go... Link butting in where his opinion does not belong. Because it is useless.
Its funny, because Tsad was talking about my hub in the 6th paragraph of this comment.
Its starting to become difficult to know which end of your body you are speaking out of JT, the top or the bottom.
I have to agree with you. There is no place here for insults and butting in rudely in inappropriate ways etc.
"...why most atheists reject christianity....." your opinion based upon a YouTube designed to put the good christian American angle.
Your bias does not deminish and it's just as immoveable.
You really have a fixation on that interview, appears it really hits home with you and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMzd40i8TfA. There is a poll that confirms, it too.
Atheism could become a force for good but needs to turn its back to the dark side of the force.
It's considered rude and spammy to post links to anything in comment sections. Google sees the link as part of the page it is on.
Hub encourages links
Try studying Kurt Godels math proof of God.
But I suppose you will try to worm out of it
Which god does Godels proof prove Oz? I have no problem believing a god exists, but i do have a problem believing a certain god exists over all others.
So unless Godel proves the christian god, not sure what point you are trying to make.
But it appears that it was only an exercise in Modal Logic...not to be taken in the context that you have. Godel proved the possible existence through Modal Logic. Since you cant show us your God, this is merely a Red Herring.
You have to stop thinking your crappy definition of what you think god is, is mine. Judging by your poor standard is imbecilic.
Do tell us your definition. Are you really implying that somehow Godel's mathematical findings has established the basis for belief in holy books? These absurd authors clearly show the ignorance and trickery common to humans not OMNISCIENT BEINGS?
Read the scriptures as you would shakespeare and take hyberbole onomatapeia etc as literary devices. If you take a poem literally you miss the point. Discern historical record from artists licence
Its bizarre what people will say when they believe in fairy tales. Holy books are simply not true, no matter how you pretend to be reading them. Wow!
Look for the inner meaning. Even a Grimms fairy tale contains lessons and truths eg beware of strangers etc
Read with the unbiased eyes of science.
Is there a reason you are assuming that Get is reading with the biased eyes of science Oz?
Scientific study takes into consideration grammatical devices and symbolism. Ergo if someone doesnt do this they are being unscientific. No mystery!
Respect of freedom of speech? or diverse backgrounds&beliefs bringing many points of view to bear on problems. Beware you might get what you wish for, Marxism, communism or radical Islam, take your choice,all force you to "keep it to yourself,"
gm--A great answer. I have found though that many Atheists will accept the demagoguery of a secular government as if it were a deity. How would this differ from the theist?
That's all a heinous misrepresentation of Atheism...clearly driven by an intense hatred for REALITY. Indoctrination causes intense anxiety in the minds of those who feel that their foundation is threatened...no matter how illogical the foundation.
There is some truth in what you say, but "confused" is not one of them.
There is a darker force at work, though, than even atheism. It seems that they intend to pit atheists against Christians to destroy both. But they'll lose. Based on selfishness.
I support scientific ethical atheism which bases its ethics on the principle
of evolution not anarchy
Ozt--Your post is one of the most heinous, distorted and convoluted pieces of writing I have had the misfortune of reading in three days. That one was from another of such ill minded thinking.
I have made only calm rational scientific comments based on provable fact.
Methinks thou dost protest too much ie a guilt nerve has been touched
Weve been over this! It is now undeniably a political movement.
See wiki on organised political atheism. Follow the yellow brick links
Lol...think i will stop giving you the benefit of the doubt from now on. But i felt interested and googled anyway. Are you talking about the American Atheists by any chance?
There are hundreds of such groups around the world. Similar to a cult
Mmm. Nice to know you dont actually seem to know what you are talking about. Again.
Unless you can direct me to a source? Because your favorite Wikipedia one describes the furthest thing fron a cult in regards to the American Atheists
If you stop couching your comments in insults and personal attacks it would be appreciated.
Wiki contains links and those contain further links so its not hard to verify
And it would be appreciated if you could actually cite your sources for once. It would be even better if those sources werent from Wikipedia, but rather a credible site.
I can dream though
Only a blind man could miss the link Link. Link to the link Link.
And only a liar would insist something is there but not provide it. Repeatedly.
Suits you well
Everyone else can find the links in a few minutes....but only Link cant find any link!!
Odd how you consider yourself to be more than one person, since you are the only one who seems to be in possesion of these links you neglect to share
Odd. Havent seen an atheist on this site that doesnt admit to not understanding the big "Why" questions.
I have seen plenty of believers of god on the other hand talk about knowing the truth but providing nothing to back that up. Even odder.
Well there are Roman History books that were written by historians that say a man named Jesus was causing an uproar because 100's were following him in Galilee. Out side the Bible. No religion involved. Just history in the making.
Try studying Kurt Godels math God theorem.
It isnt hard to believe Jesus, as a man, existed in the past. Its more difficult to believe that jesus, the son of god did due to it being an extraordinary claim.
And Oz, the theorem might prove god. Cool. But does it prove the christian one? Others?
More evolved religions see all as equal.
Politics is NOT religion. Religion is religion
Fear of admitting they don't understand or the courage to understand their own mortality? While I personally believe in reincarnation, I couldn't answer if I believe that because it's true to me or because I fear nothingness after life