I came across this quote (in pic), and it resonated with me a lot - I try to do this, but in complete honesty, I don't manage it with as much as I'd like. I'm going to give it a go though. But I'd like to ask - atheists, religious alike - have any of you tried it? Or have you been warned not to look at the other side? I welcome all answers (but please do not answer 'on behalf' of the other side and why they may not have)
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Good for you, SayYes. Sorry you had to experience the cult like you did, but i think you've provided food for thought with your answer - thanks.
If I may ask, which of Christ's beneficent teachings did you come to doubt?
I've come to realize that the Bible is believed to be the "Word of God" by faith alone. The evidence that it is just a human book is too much for me to ignore. If the God of the Bible is real, then he is most unjust and cruel, according to the Bible.
Thanks Robert for your answer.
Robert..... I have to ask, were you truly saved by the blood of Jesus? Did you accept him as your savior?
Jeff, in the context of the Bible teaching of "salvation," yes. But Christianity only makes sense IF you accept by "faith" things that are unprovable and unreasonable. The conundrums are staggering. Why is Christianity the only true religion?
Christianity is the only religion with a holy spirit in which calls on you to be saved. It is the only one with a live deity. All other religions are a "way to live." Christianity is a way of life.
The existence of your "Holy Spirit" and "living Deity" are both unprovable, putting them in the same category with other unprovable religions.
Okay Robert. I just wanted to know that question I asked you. Not a debate. Have a great night my friend.
JThomp42 - Christianity is not the only religion with a "live" deity that saves people. Judaism, Islam, Sikkhism, and Baha;i Faith also have that feature.
Thanks for your answer Christin. The 'fear' thing is one of my biggest problems - it feels too much like an abusive relationship to be anything like a loving god - but I'm looking at both sides still!
Thanks for your answer Austin. I particularly like your last paragraph - you are correct there - without education, the world remains stagnant.
"My views of Christianity have changed a thousand times or more. I'm not sure I'm a Christian anymore." This is PROFOUND! Pastor Howard Storm used to be an angry atheist, until he learned through his NDE that the only true religion is Love.
interesting thoughts The0. Thanks for sharing your answer.
And there, folks, is the "catch-all" escape hatch for Christianity's decline: If someone were TRULY saved, they would never leave the faith. This is a fine example of the "No True Scotsman" logical fallacy: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/No_True_Scotsm
Robert... Your links mean nothing if you truly have not had a relationship with Christ. I stand by my answer 100%.
You may stand by your answer, but it's still a clear logical fallacy. The link I posted simply explains what the fallacy is. And if ever a person was born again, I was. You have no basis on which to say that I have never experienced it.
The devil is a liar. He gets his grip on many!
And your God created the Devil/liar. You do not know Jesus as he supposedly died 2,000 years ago. What you "know" is garbled myths, legends and superstitions. If these are real to you, so be it. But again, if you look at both sides, you will see.
Austin..... I apologize but I do not believe anyone has asked for your opinion whatsoever. But you said your God created the devil and the liar? Sounds like you do believe in God since he made you as well. No need for a response. :)
If you are going to jump in the fire JT, you really need to be able to take the heat. This is not your question. I don't have a "God", that's why I said "YOUR God" created Satan. This is what YOU believe it seems.
I will AGAIN be the bigger person and realize this is just the way you behave on this site. Too bad some are so consumed with ego. In the future I choose not to interact with you and your nasty attitude that you claim others have. One word "DENIAL!"
Btw, didn't Judas DENY Jesus? (In the bible).
Jeff, as you well know, Austinstar is not representative of all atheists. We all vary in knowledge and experience.
Yep, atheists are as individual as Christians and everyone else is. But JT's point also has another flaw. Christianity IS a choice. All of the religions are personal choices. Hindus are not born Christians for instance. But they can choose it or not.
JT,When one is called out from the world by the holy spirit they leaves their attachment to Christianity or any other religion behind per Mat. 28:19-20, Mat. 19:29 & John 3:8. anyone not doing it is not saved, they only believe they are saved.
JT thanks for yr answer. However, one does not need to leave the faith to educate oneself on the other side of it. I'm not suggesting that one should leave - I'm asking if you've looked at the other side with a open mind. Thanks for answering tho
I have explored both sides so throughly until I call myself an "Atheist-Christian" and it's being a oxymoron.