There has been lots of questions about changing the views of Athiests, Gnostics and even other Christians,. Why would you have the need or desire to change anyone's views of God? Is there some kind of pay-off with that?
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Thank you Eric. I am sorry tht i didn't way anything earlier, I just did not know what to say or how to say it.
I believe atheist numbers will grow exponentially and that all religion has been shown to be useless for explaining life and the universe. As soon as people wake up and realize that no "savior" is going to fix their problems, things will get better.
Oh you are so right! Funny thing though. I was devoutely religious too and then saw the light. I am now a minister for what Christ really taught, not what the church wants to teach and how they recruit and retain.
I would agree that Jesus was a teacher. But his message has been so corrupted that even he would not recognize it in today's times.
I teach what Jesus said and I get tarred and featherd and dis respected. It only comes back on them. Jesus will set your FREE, Chruch will hold you to the death and torture you with Guilt trips.
It's getting people to admit that there is a problem! It's what is stopping them from dealing with reality. Religionists depend on their gods to "save" them, "fix" them, "redeem" the world. It is we HUMANS that must save ourselves! Stop the killing!
But if people want to believe in Joel Osteen and their particular brand of magic, why should anyone care? The only thing to do is to take religion out of the public right of way..
True, but they make more money with publicity/advertising. Religion is big business because people will always have sudden problems that they don't know how to solve right away. The preacher steps in with all the answers. Then he gets paid millions.
And how do you suggest that happen in this Country Austin? Christianity is here to stay in our lifetime and far, far beyond.
AC-DC - you are fooling yourself if you think the atheist movement is going away. It is religion that is rapidly losing it's grip on the reality of life. Islam will burn itself out and X-tians will prove their uselessness.
Submitting your God given gift of free will is not a wise thing to do. Religion (all religions) have caused more death and suffering on this planet than all the other motivators combined over the course of human history. That's the truth
Indeed it is the truth, Cree. Why some people cannot see the violence, hatred, death and destruction that religion causes is beyond me.
Jesus did say to go and spread the word of his word, not the churches word. He told the disciples that if those ppl din't want to hear to just leave them alone. He never said to make sure they are converted to anything or do this to save a soul.
Christ isn't the problem, organized religion is. IMO
Yep it sure is. I expounded on how the Organized religiosn recruit and retain in my hub: http://ladyguinevere.hubpages.com/hub/How-Religion...
I'm still wondering if this is a type of psychopathy and something that may even be genetic. There is a section of the brain that seems to be associated with religious delusions. It's probably unchangeable.
Or could it be the psyche of atheists because they are certainly the minority. Something that certainly makes one wonder if it is impossible for them to grasp certain ideologies.
AC-DC - your statement is the very embodiment of "the pot calling the kettle black". Do you think Buddhists (minority religion) cannot understand "certain ideologies" also? Or is it just "atheists"? or maybe it's just YOUR ideology?
You were the one making "blanket statements." I was trying to show you how erroneous that type of statements can be.
AC - You are now on my list of people NOT to talk to. You are delusional.
Now we do have the "pot calling the kettle black" don't we? Hasta la vista, Tchau, Au revior, Aloha, Farvel, Farewell, Goodbye!
AC-DC Do U know what a ULC Minister is? I am one. U cannot put God or Jesus in a Box. U cannot put a password that only U know on that Box. God doesnt have a religion and is not part of one. U are put in the dark and U do not read your own Bible.
Lady G. I'll even go so far as to say you cannot put religion in a book either! The Qu'ran or the Bible, or the Shruti, Bagavad Gita, or even the Zorastrian texts do not have the answers. Only your brain can tell you what is true. Exercise your brain
I'm still trying to figure out which Bible you are actually reading Lady G? It certainly is not the Bible that I STUDY.
I read the same Bible that you do only it is the Young's Literal Translation and not the political manipulated KJV. I will NOT tell you where those verses are. U cannot and refuse to read you own Bible and that is not my problem.
Are you saved by the grace of God through Jesus Christ Lady G?
Rolling my eyes! U have no idea what a ULC MInister is and you are assuming some strange things about me. http://www.themonastery.org/aboutUs
Are you trying to convert me? That won't work and U know it. I was baptized when I was 16 at the age that I knew what I was doing. That is all that U need to know. Are U?
Don't you think comparing Islam to Christianity is a little far fetched? Their ideologies are like apples and oranges.
AC-DC Obviously you do not understand the written word. I am not comparing Islam to X-tianity. I am saying that BELIEFS are not the problem, BEHAVIOR is the issue we need to deal with. Doesn't matter what religion one believes in. It's how 1 BEHAVES!
Exactly the point I was trying to make. Islamic radicals are madmen slaughtering thousands of innocent people; and Christians are peacefully witnessing to the lost. Quite a difference in ideology!
AC-DC - Uh, you forgot to notice how many Christians have committed barbaric acts equal to or greater than Islamic terrorists? "Christians peacefully witnessing"! Tell that to all the Native Americans in this country alone and see how far you get!
Here we go bringing up the barbaric acts of the past. If I am not mistaken this question was about the here and now. Anyway I see this is going nowhere. Peace.
What about the modern day Westboro Baptist Church and the KKK? They are recent and not in the past.
AC-DC - Why do you think destructive behavior is only the dominion of OTHER religions than your own? Can you not recognize bad behavior in ANY belief system? I know I can. Try using common sense to stop religious harm. Even in X-tians.
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It's not an act of altruism that causes religious people to spread the "good news". It's called "recruiting".
There is nothing wrong with trying to "grow" any organization but lets not pretend people are on a mission to rescue souls.
No, you are wrong my friend. I am not talking about Jehovah witnesses that bug you. I am talking about your friends or loved ones who are actually concerned about your soul. I suppose I would need to be an atheist to understand your comment?
I think he's talking about the false notion that people think that your personal beliefs are required to be "spread" as "good news". It's not good news at all. It's your personal beliefs and we have our own so, thank you.
AC-DC, Did Jesus lie then when he said that he put all the laws in the minds and heart of men? How about the kingdom of God Within you, not in a church or outside of yourself. We are not in Jesus, he is in all of us.
Lady G. What about all of those who do not know of Jesus Christ?
Who in this day and age does NOT know about Jesus? I doubt very seriously that there is anyone who has not heard about Christianity on TV, newspapers, or word of mouth. It is just silly to think you have to go out and proselytize these days.
Ever heard of missionaries? Yes, there are people in this world who have not heard the good news of Jesus Christ. Especially in third world countries where they are not spoiled by these conveniences that you have mentioned.
AC-DC you should really read my hub: http://ladyguinevere.hubpages.com/hub/How-Religion...
If Jesus put the laws in our minds then how can we not experience that which is WITHIN?
No thanks Lady G. At this point and time I am just wondering what Bible you are reading. Certainly not the one that I have been studying for years. I am positive other Christians would absolutely agree. I am done with this conversation. PEACE!
U cannot possibly know truth if you do not read. Be closed minded and do not know the truth of how your religion works to lie to you and you eat everything the give you. It is tainted!!!!
Oh, you mean the missionaries that take YOUR money to go over and try to feed the hungry children of 3rd world countries with bibles instead of food? Yes, even they have heard of Jesus. They still need clean water and food, not rhetoric.
Something is certainly tainted; but it is not my Bible.
AC-DC, you have already shown that you cannot comprehend what people are telling you. You can stick to your 2,000 y.o. books, or you can update your mind by reading about reality in today's world.
Have a fantastic day girls. God bless all! Peace!!
I never said it was your bible. Find where Jesus said that We are Gods, That all the Laws are in the minds of men and That The Kingdom of God is WITHIN you...and Where Jesus told the disciples to go teach and leave. In The same Bible
Ac - u speak of missionaries reaching those who have not heard of God. Is it not that those who do not know of God such as infants + those unreached will go to Heaven anyway? So why tell them + change their fate if they don't believe? That's cruel.
And why isn't a 'god' capable of instilling his essence in all of us as Lady G tells us. The bible says that god is within us, so that makes it totally unnecessary to go out and "spread" the word.. It is already done!
Certain Religiouns proclaim they read their Bibles, when in fact they will not. They listen to their priests and that is all they do. I know I am married to a Catholic.
OMG Lela: Why do you hate Jesus? What happened? Why are you such an "unbeliever?" Dash: That's what we believe He said! Lady: U maybe the one to bring husband to Christ by rightly diving the Word!
Norine - WTF? How did you get that I "hate" Jesus out of what I said? My message is that YOU are not doing what Jesus told you to do. YOU are the unbeliever!
Norine, who the he88 siad anything about my husband not believing in Christ. You are deluded..serriously!
I apologize if I offended (the flesh) but It seems he is into another Christ than u r and u r searching for "truth!" Nothing wrong with that! You appear to be "growing!" Lela: U don't believe anything He said so that's hate - just like Saul!
Norine, you have no idea what the Catholic Church is all about. It has nothing to do with the Flesh! You need to be educated becasue you certainly don't know anything about truth and you are very prejudice. Enough of that now!
Back off. Lady, stop telling people what they don't know, as if you have all the answers and knowledge. You do not.
SG as said on 1 of my answers to another, I have been married to a Catholic for 15 years, so I DO know what I am talking about. AGAIN LEAVE ME ALONE.