The name of God is found close to 7,000 time in the original language that the Bible was written in, why is it now missing from many Bibles? and why do you feel that way?
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I've heard the same. I've also read that it's a superstition that developed from a misunderstanding of Ex 20:7. Jesus quoted many scriptures that had God's name in them. He held it sacred, didn't use it in vain, but still used it. Rom 10:13
Yes, I agree that many have tried to occult the truth of what they Bible really teaches. God inspired men to write the Bible (2Tim 3:16), and then other men tried to keep God's word hidden. Misled and misleading they are. (in Yoda voice)
I understand what Timothy says about Scripture, but the only Scripture that existed at the time that Timothy was written was the torah. There was no new testament yet, and there is no indication that any of the nt writers thought of a unified nt.
JM: Why should one care "when" written, if "inspired by God?" You don't believe the prophets either when they prophesied the coming of Jesus? You must have faith and "believe!" The "letter killeth!" NT writers were "inspired" that's unification!
Norine, unfortunately claiming something is inspired by god doesn't make it true. The Bible says it is inspired. So does the Koran. So does the Hindu Holy book, but you deny all claims but yours. That's special pleading and circular logic
JM: ALL can study "anything" they like, but as for me, I'll stick with the Word of God in Scripture! Additions or subtractions may exist, but I BELIEVE that such will be revealed as stated in Scripture! Jn 16:13. This is a "Spiritual" journey!
That's certainly your choice, but if you claim something and do not preface it as your opinion only, the burden of proof rests on you and cannot be based on fallacious logic. Not if you hope to succeed.
JM: I have "faith" in the Word of God! (Hebrews 11:1) MAN has a problem in that they want "proof!"
I stopped believing, or having any faith, in the church and the Bible years ago but I still believe in God.
I don't find that believing something without a good reason out supporting evidence is beneficial. It's like believing that gravity doesn't exist and then wondering why you can't fly.
Believing in God is a "faith" issue - Unseen - for He is a Spirit! Exam: Sounds like "man" has disappointed you which is one of Satan's devices to make you an unbeliever. Don't let him win! Study for yourself! JM: Prov 3:5!
It seems like you're making up assumptions about a complete stranger with no evidence. Just like it seems like you'd like to assert your opinions as facts without being questioned. I have studied for years.My degree is in theology, how about you?
Okay, then I lost faith in the church and the Bible and still have faith in God. I simply used the wrong word.
Julie Mc Farland
He was, of course, referring specifically to that part of the Bible available to him at the time—the writings that people sometimes refer to as the Old Testament. But in principle his words apply with equal force to all of the Bible’
How do you know it applies to the whole thing? Or are you just asserting that it does, not recognizing that the writer of first Timothy had no indication whatsoever that his letter would become "Scripture"
The Gospels -universally accepted among Christians early as the mid-second century. Paul/ Peter champion truth of God’s Word, warned against accepting believing anything other than what they had been taught. 1Tim2:4,6:20, 21;2Peter1:16;Isa40:8
That didn't address my question at all. It sounds like what this saying is that the nt falls under Scripture mentioned in Timothy and is therfore divinely inspired because it fits your theology and you want to believe it's true.
It makes sense that it applies to both testaments (Old/New), because the NT letters were written by apostles and disciples that were filled with holy spirit and testifying to things seen and heard from God's own son who also quoted the OT.
None of the gospels claim to be eyewitness accounts, and it's a fact that scholars know the names of the gospels were added on over a hundred years later, not so wrote them. What you said is the claim, not the evidence for that claim.
you are definitely not alone in believing that the claims about the Bible are false but there is too much evidence by scholars on the other side of that argument to type in this small space where less than 300 characters are allowed! :D
No, as a theology major in college with a degree, there is no evidence that the Bible is the inspired word of god. There are claims. There are textual criticisms. There are historians and biblical scholars. but no evidence of that claim.
JM: BA in psychology. Began pursuing Master's in Theology until the Holy Spirit directed me from "man-made lies!" They didn't fool me because of the "guidance of the Holy Spirit" but I see they conquered you! Prov 3:5!
Go Norine. You tell her!
The proof is the results you get when applying biblical principles in your life.
(Matthew 11:25) you don't need a degree just an open curious heart
the word of God is alive and exerts power (Hebrews 4:12)
Amen insightful! If you have the "guidance of the Holy Spirit" NO degree is required for He will "lead & guide you into ALL truth!" Jn 16:13. Why then ask or worry about when, where, or how when you have such Guidance? It will be revealed! Thx
So I assume that the fact that I was a believer until several years until after I got my degree and served in the mission field didn't mean anything, right? I wasnt "really" a Christian? It's very convenient to assume that about a stranger.
The more you reveal to us about yourself, the less of a stranger you are. And I wouldn't say you weren't a 'real' Christian, but you were a weak one.
OMG the same goes for your Strgrrl. Hypocrites here and lots of them. The wouldn't know the first thing about what a Christian is and it sure does not start with judging others.
What an arrogant assumption to make. Do you know my heart better than I do, or do you think that your God put you in charge of judging me because he needs your help?
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
LOVE THEY NEIGHBORS AS THYSELF AND DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD WANT THEM TO DO TO YOU WHO OF YOU WHO ARE JUDGING ARE DOING THIS HERE! NOT ONE OF YOU.
Your beliefs or opinions of me really couldn't matter less, but I can't imagine how you think you're following Jesus example by demanding respect of your own beliefs while criticizing other individual people - strangers, no less.
I don't mean offense. Only God knows your heart.
in reference to the writers claiming to be eye witnesses please check out
(John 21:24) (Luke 1:2)
witnessed the resurrection of Jesus.1 Corinthians 15:6.
Tiger -Luke was not an eyewitness, nor does he claim to be. Neither is Paul. Neither is the Gospel named John. No biblical scholars think that John the apostle wrote that gospel. It's the last one, dated far too late for an eyewitness.
Star: Thanks! Read Matthew 7:15-23. Insightful: Read Philippians 2:9-11. If it's not from Scripture, it's not worth discussing!
Professor F. F. Bruce “It can have been by no means so easy as some writers seem to think to invent words and deeds of Jesus in those early years, when so many of His disciples were about, who could remember what had and had not happened. Acts 2:22
Insightful--They call it "faith" because that is what believers have--faith. Satan would want you to believe that Jesus' miracles and such were made up.
Prov14:15,18How foolish it would be to accept an idea as true without checking facts Rather than encourage blind faith, the Bible urges keep your eyes open so that you are not deceived Matt16:6 We keep our eyes open by using power of reason Rom12:1
Right, Insightful. I am not talking about taking blind faith, I was just trying to say that to believe Jesus existed in the first place is to have some sort of faith, which is what believers must have.
Yes Stargrrl, not one of us was an eye witness to Jesus's life. Hebrews 11:1 Faith is ...the evident demonstration* of realities that are not seen
We all put faith in something... whether we learned it in school, home, or God's word.
Tiger, are you a Jehovah's witness? They're the only ones I know of that make the argument of the name of god.
Yes, I am. Although there are others that want the name of God to be known. For example. Jesus said that we should pray for it's sanctification Matt 6:9 and that he had made it known John 17:26. Also the writers of the DNKJB and of course the NWT.
Insight: U rely on "self" too much! Prov 3:5! Faith is "blind!" Foolish to look at the Word with "carnal" eyes! Jn 4:24Facts kill! II Cor3:6. Keep spiritual "eyes"open! "Reasonable svc" n Rm12:1 means 'the least' u can do not 'reasoning!' HS guides!
I appreciate your telling me that, Norine. I agree you need a strong faith Heb 11:6 and that the knowledge of God surpasses all things that seem factual Heb 11:1. However God also, gives wisdom generously to those who believe that he can. James 1:5-8
Amen Insightful! That's what I've tried to tell you! Let the Holy Spirit guide u into ALL truth because Jm 1:5 is true! I Pet 2:2 says "As newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may GROW by it," Therefore II Tim 2:15! Study/GROW
I'm glad you're Bible has his name and not just titles. Thanks for your comment.
I mean his actual name. In the original language God's name is יהוה , rendered Jehovah or Yahweh in English. Most Bibles use a title such as God, Lord, or Eternal. That name was written close to 7,000 times in the language used for most of the Bible
Oh, the Tetragrammaton. I think it's to avoid using God's true name in vain, because early Christians and many orthodox Jews believe the True Name has magic powers and should only be uttered sparingly.
zelk-- no what they are looking for is they have bought onto the falsehood that we should use god;s hebrew name even though we speak english
Charlie, Jesus's name is said differently in many languages, just like yours and mine are too. God's name is important to use (Rom 10:13, Isa 42:8) just not in vain (Exodus 20:7).
Well, names are usually immune to language barriers anyway, because, well, they're names. If you met a Japanese person named Hanako Yamaguchi, you wouldn't call them "Flower-baby Mountain-mouth" because that would be idiotic.
Agreed Zelkiiro, keep it pertinent to the original name. Jesus in Hebrew is pronounced closer to Yeshua, in Aramaic- Eashoa', in Spanish -Jesús, rather than sounding like Jeesus in English. Whether christian in Spain or the USA it's the same person.
Which all ties back to my answer. The reason you don't see "YHWH" or the equivalent floating around everywhere is because the True Name is seen as incredibly sacred, and so believers only use it when they feel the need is dire enough.
Ro10:13-15 "who calls on the name ...will be saved... how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?... "
Insight: "Calling" on His Name in Scripture under the New Cov where we live is JESUS in USA! Now, "Calling" on His Name is not verbally (Jn 4:24)! It's seeking Him with a "pure heart" Matt 5:6. He knows if you're"thirsty"for He looks at the heart!
Norine, thank you for the scriptures. I invite you to read Exodus 3:15 God says that he will never change his name. In 1 Cor 15:24-28 We see that Jesus sits on God's throne as king but when all are subjected he too will be subjected to God.
Insight: "I AM" is Jesus n Exd & today! Do u live under the OC or NC? I AM operates n as many GLORIES SIMULTANEOUSLY as He likes NOW & THEN! Even n I Cor! Look at Scripture n the Spirit! THINK:NC Dispensation is where we live! JESUS rules! M
Mar 16:19 he sits at the right hand of God(the Father)
Rev3:21 he sad down with his father on his throne
God 4425 times lord 7914 times eternal 50 times (NKJV search)
Rich: Do you really think there are "TWO" sitting in heaven, the Father & the Son? Then, u must believe there are "two" gods? The "Only" way one can read Scripture is in Spirit & Truth! Jn 4:24 Eph 4:4-6
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. 1 God 1 Son also known as the Lamb, the Word, but God always called Him His son that He is well please with.
Rich: GLORIES! "I AM" = anywhere, anytime, all places simultaneously! "Religion" has taught "Trinity" and/ "deity" which is NOWHERE in Scripture Rev 22:18-19!
I don't believe the trinity. I do believe there is a God who is the Father of Jesus Christ, His Son. You are the one adding to and taking away from what is written. I've quoted scripture not mystic conjecture.
Rich: Have I not quoted Scripture? Did not add nor take away! "Religion" has NOT taught to "look" at Scripture "In the Spirit" but HS taught me! I've NEVER denied Jesus' SPIRIT created Himself and referred to that "GLORY" as The Father! "MYSTERY!
How about writing an article on your oneness doctrine that you are spamming everyone with. Then we can see how it holds up to scrutiny as you seem so sure that it is the "truth."
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and "WE" will come to him and make Our home with him.
P&N: I'm not the only one that HS has revealed this to! Never professed Oneness doctrine but JESUS! Ck out "Jesus is God" on HP! Rich: Right! In the beginning He also said "let US" all were there in Spirit incl Melchizedek and ALL other GLORIES
John 14:23 is far from "the beginning". "US" is not defined in the beginning, We don't know who was there when God the Father begin to speak everything into being as we know it. We shall see Him as He is when He returns, until then there are unknowns
Rich: You used "plural pronoun," from Scripture referring to God's GLORIES and so did I no matter where IT IS! He is "I AM" so ALL of His Glories were there! He is SPIRIT therefore read Scripture in Spirit and you will "see" that He is "I AM!"
We are under NEW Covenant & Scripture says in Phil 2:9-11 "...at the name of JESUS..." Why not Jehovah?
Norine Phil 2:9 Paul tells what God did after Jesus died and was resurrected. If Jesus was equal to God before he died and God later exalted him to a higher position, would that not put Jesus above God? Yet, how could anyone become superior to God?
Paul was inspired by the HS to write after resurrection according to Jer 31:31-33, Heb 8:10;10:16! Here are Scriptures AGAIN! Jesus was in sinful flesh & could be exalted by Himself fm flesh! Jn1:1-14; Heb 1: 1-14Col1:9-17,Eph 3:8-9.JESUS is GOD
Thank you for all the scriptures! It's always good to meet someone that reads their Bible. John 6:38 If Jesus is God, who sent him down from heaven? Would that One not be greater than Jesus? After all, the sender is superior to the one who is sent.
Insightful: Look in the Spirit! The Spirit of God sent His Spirit (HE IS "I AM") in the form of Man - Jesus Christ! He sent Himself! That One is Jesus! They are One! Jesus told them in Scripture John 5:17-24 and they wanted to "kill" Him!
If Jesus sent himself, why did he continually say "I am not good, only my father in heaven is good" Luke 18:19. Why did he continually defer to his father? Who was he crying to on the cross If he sent himself to commit suicide?
JM: I've never seen suicide in Scripture, but He allowed it! Matt 26:53-54. He deferred to His SPIRIT because He was flesh (sin) altho II Cor 5:21 & His SPIRIT wasn't! He cried out to His Spirit because His flesh suffered like ours does! Matt 27:
You're saying that jesus sent himself to earth in a suicide mission to save humanity from himself, negating god the father who Jesus himself said sent him and was greater than Jesus.
one question you said "God sent His Spirit... in the form of Man" If he was the spirit in the flesh, why would he not defer to himself?
Jesus (flesh) COULDN'T negate His own SPIRIT! How?Look at Script in Spirit! His Love for US! Matt 26:53-54. How else COULD WE UNDERSTAND unless He came n flesh be born of a woman (which needed a "father" for our comprehension)? Jn 4:24. Mystery!!!
so you're a Christian that denies the existence of god the father and the trinity, and you're convinced somehow that everyone else is wrong and deceived? I have never ever heard that doctrine before. It denies history- and Scripture itself.
I'm a disciple (servant of Christ) that knows what the Holy Spirit has told me and that is Jesus is GOD (Spirit)! Father (Spirit/Jesus) Son (Spirit/Jesus) and Holy Spirit (Spirit/Jesus)! Matt 28:19 says "...NAME"... who is JESUS! Gal 1:10-16
1. What denomination are you? 2. By what methods do you distinguish the Holy Spirit from your own thoughts? Paul taught to test every spirit - how do you test it? 3. How do you accept the holy spirit but not god the father?
1.JESUS!2.Christ-like chgs I didn't make!Believe!3.JESUS is "I AM" therefore, I accept "I AM!" Insight: So He wouldn't blow ur mind! U would never comprehend that THE SPIRIT was sitting in heaven, walking on earth & in everyone, as u dont believe
I see. You've come up with your own interpretation, ignoring 2000 years of growth and doctrine and history, pronounced yourself as the only one right and assume that everyone else who disagrees with you, believer or not, is wrong.
Mrng! I know it's hard to believe but the Holy Spirit told me this! Gal 1:12. AWESOME! Is it not WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURE? We must "worship in Spirit! Jn 4:24 Otherwise, no understanding! You can't read Scripture with "carnal" eyes but "Spiritually!"
Norine, anyone can say that the Holy Spirit told them anything, even when it disagrees with you. How do you test the spirit to know who it is? Are you automatically correct, even when another believer disagrees with you? Sounds arrogant.
D: Degree in Psych Adv hrs in Theology.Not allowed to rd anything else?Anything but Script=foolisness! JM:Believe=Chgs occur "you" didn't do! The Word is Correct! II Tim 3:16. Sounds arrogant bcuz not in agrmnt w/religion & Word won't chg! Heb 4:
You don't need to be insulting. There are thousands of ways to interpret Scripture, and people have devoted their lives to studying the original languages. You have not, but you insist that you, a layman, have it right. Prove it.
D: Did u not read my previous post? ANYTHING besides Scripture is Foolishness! I Cor 2:14 JM: The Holy Spirit interpreted this! Gal 1:12! Read Scripture given in previous posts maybe you can "see" proof if you are a believer in His Word! James 1:5
I don't think you understand. You can say the Holy Spirit told you something, and I can say that the Holy Spirit told me the opposite. It doesn't mean you're right just because you're you. You can't demonstrate it, and you could just make it up
JM: I didn't make up Scriptures & that's what I ask u to read! Not listen to anything I say! However, when reading, you must believe! You've tried everything else, "Why not try Jesus?"
I did. Stop assuming. But here's the problem. If I know a believer who says that they talked to the Holy Spirit, and it aid your interpretation was wrong, you're at an impasse, and there's no reason to believe you over anyone else.
JM: You're at an impasse! II Cor 4:3-6
Norine, now you're saying that your God has blinded me from being able to believe in it, which would make my non belief it's fault, yet it will still punish me. It's abhorrent. I don't believe the Holy Spirit you claim is anything more than you
Holy Spirit is for ALL not mine! Belief or unbelief is a choice. I Cor 3:6; John 6:44
Yeah, I don't believe you, and I don't believe your claims. Why don't you ask the Holy Spirit what you could say that would convince me. If it works, you may be credible. If not, I think you're making it up.
Ladies: Your Choice/Your Lost! But Scripture will not change for you me or anyone! He is the same yesterday, today & forever! Amen!
I think you mean either "you're lost" or "your loss" But I can't tell. Secondly, you have changed Scripture because your interpretation is not the same interpretation as anyone else's, and it's subjective. Logic would help here. Or not.
Norine, I was wondering the same thing as Julie McFarland. If someone else says that the spirit told him/her that Jesus was the son of God and not actually God. Then what?
I wouldn't disagree that Jesus is the Son of God in "literal" terms because Jesus' Spirit (THE SPIRIT) created Jesus (Himself)! Don't forget He is "I AM!" Look at Scripture IN THE SPIRIT! For Jesus is a Spirit!Jn 4:24! HS tells me what to tell u!
Jesus himself differentiates between himself and the father and then tells the disciples that a comforter will come to then once he's gone. It is impossible to be both a father and that fathers son. That is not logically sound.
JM: It is not impossible with JESUS! Eph 4:5. Stop looking at Scripture in a "literal" sense & "look" at It for what It is! SPIRITUAL! "FATHER" is 'THE SPIRIT" of Jesus that never came in flesh (sin)! Yet all GLORIES are SPIRITUAL simultaneousl
I'll say it again. The entire new testament separates the figure of god the father from Jesus the son. Everything. God the father sent Jesus. Jesus said so. What you are arguing is absurd, as is the fact an atheist had to teach you that.
JM: I agree it is absurd if "looking" in a "literal" sense! "Religion" has not taught saints to "Walk in the Spirit!" But Scripture "requires" it! (Jn 4:24) Matt 19:26, Mark 10:27
saying something repeatedly does not make it true, Norine. Is there a particular reason that you're adamantly avoiding answering a few questions that have been posed to you? Or do you not have an answer?
JM: What question have I not answered? All I have is Scripture anything else is foolishness! Is this the OTHER THREAD you were speaking of? Read all of Galatians but Gal 3 applies to you more than anything!
Very Good question researching bible history, shows that God's name was revealed even before Israel became his special people , The personal name of God Almighty(Jehovah) was revealed to separate himself from the many foreign gods people created .
Thank you for your comment. I still wonder what other names you mean? and what are you thankful for?
Here is a link http://www.gotquestions.org/names-of-God.html However God is very generic since we use the term 'God' and the name 'God' synonymously. At times we may discover other names for God. Some like Zeus are not thought of as a specific 'God'.
Kiss and tales,
thank you for your comment. If you could move that to an answer than I can upvote it please :)
Did you look for it in your Bible? I have found it in some Bibles at Psalm 83:18. But only a few Bible have tried to restore the name to the original places.
Thank you for letting me know what you believe. However, I was referring to God's name, יהוה , rendered Jehovah or Yahweh in English. (Exodus 3:15) (Psalm83:18) The Father, who Jesus said was greater than he. (John 14:28)
The Father (Jesus' Spirit, that was not in "FLESH" therefore, greater than He) is Jesus! Wear your name "Insightful" well and look @ Scriptures in the SPIRIT! (John 4:24) The Word of God is a mystery! He who has "ears" let him hear! I pray ur "eyes"
1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, It is his wisdom that is a mystery, not his word. We are to worship in spirit not read his word in spirit.
Rich: Romans 8:5-10
ok thank you for sharing your opinion, I have never heard that before.
I'm glad your Bible has his name in it. Many Bible just replace it with a title such as Lord, God, etc. Sometimes they add a title to his name such as Jehovah-Shalom(Peace) or the meaning (causes to become) but leave out his actual name. (Isa 42:8)
Insightful: What are you looking for? We are now under the NEW COVENANT & the dispensation in which we NOW live in, His Name IS JESUS! Philippians 2:9-11 says 'God has highly exalted JESUS' NAME above EVERY name!' So what are you looking for?