How can we condemn churches because they are of man and yet cite the Bible for this, which is also of man. (both can be divinely inspired) Condemnation of all churches because they are man lead seems totally inconsistent with history. I choose to read and accept what Paul says. Does that make me contrary to what Jesus taught? I do not thinks so. I choose to listen to sermons and consider them, does that make me less a Christian?
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A very interesting answer. One worth reading at least twice and contemplating.
Are you saying that people should not gather together to worship? Or are you saying it is OK as long as they do not have a building? (not about leadership)
no problem in meeting together (the church) as long as no hireling pastor which means they are following the pattern of the defunct temple system. they must follow 1Cor 14:26-- also seeTitus 1:5 & no building $ is for care of people not th
Your position is well laid out. I pastored for years and took not one farling except for Christmas gifts. But I am not as opposed to that as you are. But it is ripe for abuse and should be avoided. Taking care of those that minister seems OK.
eric- if you would like a detailed explanation read my hub
the true new testament tabernacle/ it gives all the scriptural backup
Why follow Paul? Not all pastors have taken that route Charlie. What is wrong with the teachings that Jesus gave us all?
Son asked: "what did Jesus eat?" Food like all men. "Where did He get it?" Donations. "where does our pastor get his food?" Donations. "What was Jesus's job?". Pastor/minister/rabbi. So is it Christ like to live off donations?
Eric, Christ was in no way poor or needy or lived off of donations. He worked for his food and he also had a large human family that loved him very much though the Bible does not speak much of that.
How do you know that?
Eric look into the history and the other family members accounts. His uncle was a ship builder and traveled all over the world. Jesus went with him a few times and took his mother as well. Hie did not make little boats. He bought metals for Rome
So they were donations from family. That is a distinction with no difference.
eric- she knows because the voices in her head told her. Her beliefs certainly came from another spirit as the Holy Spirit never says such things
Charlie is that all you know how to do is throw insults at people? You know where that will get you eventually. Eric, Jesus was a carpenter, he did not make tinker toys or did he?
In "3" years of full ministry I know of no reference to him working as opposed to pastoring, ministering and teaching. Lady this point is not arguable.
Eric I Agree! The Disciples of Christ were asked by the Holy Spirit (JESUS) to sell their land and "donate" to CHURCH & u see what happened! (Acts 5:1-11). It's sad that MAN has shown greed n recving donations n the NAME of JESUS forming neg opin
If a "church" preaches that it is their way or the highway, I can get that. If they preach "our way or condemnation" I hit the highway. But I do not condemn all churches as some are upright and follow my thinking. That is just honesty.
Hey I have some people on here that think they are all right and shove scripture down my throat. I can read but I do not quote the same to them and they get mad at me. That is not Christ-like at all. I don't care what church they are in.
ED: I rejoice that you follow Paul's teachings consider Jer 31:33; Heb 8:10; 10:16 which says Paul's teachings were from God! Paul's teachings continued Jesus' teachings considering those Scriptures! After 1st CHURCH estab Acts 2:42!