If what many Christians these days claim is true, that it is impossible to come to have faith in the biblical god without the intervention and interpretation of the Holy Spirit, why was the great commission necessary? Why leave conversion and evangelism in the hands of humans at all? Why would a written Bible be necessary either, to be interpreted differently at will by those who claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit, but who still disagree with each other?
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Look in the Mirrir and you will see him. He is WITHIN you, not outside of you. He was never outside of you. Thait is what the religions want you to believe. Luke 17:20-22 and it will tell you what Jesus said about where he and the Kingdom is.
Slight area of contention - you believe that something is true because the Bible says it. You do not know it, nor can you demonstrate that it is actually true, and not just a claim.
I don't always understand but I read that the Holy Spirit was "moving upon the surface of the waters" in creation, He was coming down upon Jesus in the form of a dove. He came upon Samson and then He left him, I wouldn't say He never was outside man.
Robert, where does Jesus ever say that? JM, I didn't have to read the Bible to belive that. Many other Mystics have said similar from way before the Bible's letters and stories were written. It is what you are, not what is outside.
Lady, I was responding to Roberts answer, not your comment. Sorry for the confusion.
JM understood. I wasn't sure.
I agree with Robert. The kingdom of God is not within us...but we have the means to get there.
Julie, I stepped out in faith, asked Christ in, and now I know it is true in my heart of hearts. I guess you have your reasons for doubting the Bible. I did too before I received Christ.
What the heck is a "heart of hearts"?
Faith and knowledge are two separate and distinct things. If you know something, you can demonstrate it. Faith does not lead to knowledge, it's different. If I have faith in aliens, that doesn't ever make then real.
When Jesus rose from the waters he was baptized in he was anointed with holy spirit which descended upon him like a dove God's voice was then heard from the heavens proclaim, "'This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”" (Mt 3:13-17)
I must agree with Deb! Eph 4:4-6 says "...and IN you all." After Day of Pentecost "IN!"
JOE: I Pet 1:17 "Father judgeth" Whose going to "judge" the world? Matt 25:31-46; Acts 17:31; You gave me a Scripture in I Pet & I read on and HS told me to tell u this! Jesus is a SPIRIT! Matt 28:18 "ALL POWER..." Where is God then, Asleep?
Then there are those of us that believe that we are gods according to what Jesus states in that very same Bible that the kingdom and the laws were put WITHIN us. We are not part of God, he/she is part of us.
So humanity created itself?
what a silly statement. There ARE NOT different kinds of Christians. there are Christians and those pretending to be Christians churchians. Scripture is clear there are to be NO DIVISIONS
I agree Charlie! Christians may disagree with each other, but what they all have in common is that they serve God and His son, Jesus!
"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, and one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and IN you all. " (Eph 4:4-6) and His Name is JESUS!
You added "and His name is Jesus" Keep reading
Eph 4:13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
"His Son not God" I added that.
Yes true! "The knowledge" which is Jesus' manifestation in the flesh! Read on! Jn 1;Heb 1; Col 1; Col 2:9; Jesus created this world and no one "still" believes it! However, we all have been given a certain "measure of faith!" Rm 12:3. Study!
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and "WE" will come to him and make Our home with him.
I have Jesus and His father homing with me.
Rich: It's funny u believe that Jesus can be in each of us if we believe yet u can't believe that He can be Father, Son & Holy Spirit if He wishes? Both Father & Son for He is THE SPIRIT = "I AM!" Stop looking at the letter & "look" IN T
It is not funny to believe in another Jesus, scripture warns us about this in black and white, I don't have to spiritualize the warnings from scripture. You know them but continue to ignore, that is your choice. We do all get to make choices.
Dear Rich: II Cor 4:3; John 1:10; Gal 1:6-12; John 4:24! This is a spiritual journey! Don't u know The Spirit spoke to us in human understanding (Father & Son) so we could relate? Jesus is a SPIRIT who IS/WAS in ALL places simultaneously!
If you wait until you cease to be natural--it will be too late. You should try to be Christlike but also walk in the spirit! Don't put your salvation off!
Star - I once was a Christian. Many atheists were. Many now atheists were former pastors and missionaries. We have tried it, only to realize that there's no reason to accept claims without evidence, and faith is not logical justification.
That's where you made your mistake. Blessed is he who believes and has not seen for himself. You gave up, and that is very sad. Why do you demand hard tangible evidence?
But you tell me that your salvation is through CHrist! Make up your mind.
It is made through Christ. But we need the Spirit regardless.
I would think that if you have CHrist, the others would be part of the same package. Why separate them?
but the disciples had evidence. Are they not real believers, since they didn't require faith? All of your examples are to people who claim to have had direct evidence to their claims. Which is it? I didn't "give up" I couldn't accept it as true.
They ARE part of the same package. Each part completes the other. The only reason Jesus was separated was so He could occupy a human body and become like us, and the HS was sent to us later as a guide. They are all from God.
And the only way you know this is because people who never met Jesus wrote some stuff down 40-100 years after the fact 2000+ years ago? hearsay and the game of telephone are hardly reliable sources.
Yes, I prefer the term "Word of Mouth." People did pass it on through the generations.
So, exactly how many guides does god have to separate himself into in order to get his message across?
He is the Trinity. But He has countless sources to get His message across--from other disciples to the bible to anyone!
Star, do you think that when you play telephone, the end message is identical to the first one? What would happen if you extended a game for 40-80 Years, do you think? How about if you add a dozen languages?
I think it's possible to keep the core message intact.
Let's back up. How much do you know about early Christian history? Do you readout think that you have no thoughts of your own, if all thoughts come from God or the devil
Were you aware that there are literally ** thousands ** of ancient Bible manuscripts - in the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine - available today in museums the world over? In fact, no other ancient writings are as well attested to as the Bible's.
Yes I'm aware that there are lots of copies. I'm also aware that I've told you several times that I'm not interested in interacting with you. So I won't.
I know a substantial amount of early Christian history--like how people had to worship in secret because the Romans heavily persecuted them.
Do you know where the persecution stories come from and why? How about the formation of doctrine and the biblical Canon?
The Romans were threatened by the Christian faith, and were controlled by Satan. They worshipped demons. They didn't want the word of Jesus getting out.
Okay 1. That didn't answer the question and 2. That is patently absurdly false. Where on earth did you learn that history? Bible camp?
I learned it by reading books and watching television, and listening to people speak. No bible camp for me.
Well Star, this is where we disagree! There is "NO Trinity" in Scripture! Jesus is "I AM" and will manifest Himself in ANY GLORY HE WISHES TO GET HIS WILL ACCOMPLISHED! Jn 1:10; Acts 17 "will judge the world." Heb 1; Col 1; 2; Heb 1. MANYGLORIES!
it seems what what you are implying is that Satan is all knowing, just like god is in order to be able to foresee Christians enough to make their religious practices illegal, which is why the Romans targeted them. Is that it?
No. Satan knew when Jesus rose up that he was defeated, yet he strives to bring down as many souls as he can. Satan is NOT all knowing. He did not foresee anything, but he is clever enough to try to sabotage other people's salvation.
the Romans targeted Christians and other religions that broke their laws, although they assimilated many other religious beliefs. you claim they were influenced by Satan and worshiped demons, which means they had different gods than yours.
Acting anti-Christian is being under the influence of Satan. You just don't know it. And the Roman Gods were really demons--but they didn't know that.
What is anti Christian? not being a Christian? That seems like an incredibly narrow minded and arrogant way to say that you're right and everyone who is not you is wrong. How do you know any other proposed god that predates yours is demonic?
I believe that there is only one true God--and the rest are Satan. I don't mean to be arrogant; I'm not trying to say I am right and you are wrong, but I believe what I believe, and it is different from what you believe, or don't believe.
Stargrl - Satan tells you to think that. Satan is the true author of the bible. How do you know the difference between Satan, Jesus, God, the HG, or any Demi-gods. After all, you've never seen them all in the same room, right?
Believing something is true, especially when you are unable to demonstrate that it is true does not give you license to arrogantly assert that every god that is not yours is an evil demon. I doubt you'd like it to be said of yours.
Actually, it does. Haven't either one of you before stated that people are free to believe what they want to, and that they have that right? If I come off arrogant, I am sorry you feel that way.
Stargrl - you are free to believe the 1st part of your statement, "I believe that there is only one true God--and the rest are Satan." But you are arrogant to say the second part of that sentence. Believe what you will, but stop trying to tell others
God made EVERYONE and EVERYTHING and said IT WAS GOOD. Jesu said the the Kingdom of God (which is God, Satan, and EVERYTHING) is WITHIN US. Jesus said that he put all the laws in our minds and hearts. Whoever tells you different is lying.
Satan is NOT in the Kingdom of God! Read Matt 12:25-26! We need Scripture to prove our beliefs! Otherwise, foolishness! (II Tim 3:16)
@Austinstar: Go ahead and delete my comments all you want, but I will never stop telling others about my religion. I wonder why you cannot suffer an opinion or fact that is different from yours.
Stargrl - I deleted your comment because you were trying to answer a question that was asked DIRECTLY of another person. YOU cannot answer for him. It wasn't because you are such a disagreeable ninny.
Star, I'm sorry that you don't see the difference between having a belief and then asserting something about someone else's belief as though it was absolute fact when it's your belief. If someone insisted your God was demonic, you wouldn'tlikeit.
Since we BELIEVE in JESUS, we also BELIEVE "IN HIS WORDS!" Gal 1:8-9 says "...If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED!" Blessings!
How do you know that your guide is the Holy Spirit and not yourself or, even worse, a demon? If Christians can't agree on what the Bible means, or often what it even says or what the Holy Spirit says, how is it reliable and not just invented?
You have to test your spirits. Demons and evil spirits will never confess that Jesus is Lord.
And how do you test your spirits? Wouldn't it simply be confirmation bias? The devil himself quotes Scripture, according to Jesus. If it's simply your own voice, how would you distinguish what isn't?
You can ask for a sign. Or you can test whether what your "voice" is saying is lining up with Scripture. While it is true that Satan can quote scripture, his outcome will not be aligned with the Spirit.
Star, that is NOT true. Jesus and Satan and God and You are in that very same Kingdom WITHIN you. God said that he would never leave us..becuz he is WITHIN us. You don't need a book to tell you that. Not all is in that Bible so says it in the Bibl
For the sake of argument, let's assume that the voice is only your own consciousness. You cannot demonstrate at all that is external. This makes everything you "hear" tempered through confirmation bias and be subjective.
The voice could never be just my own consciousness. If not, then I have to decide whether or not to accept the thoughts put into my mind. All thoughts come from God or the devil.
Star that is a ploy from religion and you church who indoctrinates you to stay in your church for the purpose of......you figure that one out yourself...and you will eventually.
Why could it not be your own consciousness? And how do you reconcile testing the spirits with the repeat warnings to never test God?
You're talking about two different kinds of tests. No, you shouldn't test God in terms of asking Him to prove Himself to you, but you should test any voice you hear--Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light! That is what God meant.
Once again, how can you know what god meant? Are you god? Every Christian I have ever met claims to know what god "meant" - the problem is that almost none of them agree with each other. They obviously can't all be right.
You read and understand, and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance. It is true that God's word is not straight up all the time. That is why people have had so many good discussions, and to read what others think.
I don't understand why that is not suspicious for you. If god inspired the Bible, why make it completely subjective and ambiguous for those who read it? Why make it possible for there to be over 40,000 denominations all claiming to be right?
I don't know why God does what He does. Perhaps one day I will find out.
Star, put it in perspective..You don't know why You (God) do what you do.That is what we are to learn.
I am not God. I am human being He created. We are not gods. That is what Satanists believe--that we are gods and should worship ourselves. That is not Christian thought.
Lol that's a byline from the satanic panic of the 80s. Who told you that? It's absurd and hilarious that you're pretending to discuss what satsnists believe.
Believe it or not, I have actually read the Satanic Bible. That is exactly what Anton Le Vey (whatever his name) preached in it. Man should worship himself.
Yeah. ... I don't believe you. If you took it for the over the top mockery of religion it was but thought it was literally what they thought they believed, I don't believe you read it.
Amen Star! We are not God! However, as stated in II Cor 3:18 are being "...changed into the same image from glory to glory..." Putting off sin(s) & into His likeness! Jesus operates n the same manner Changes from Glory to Glory to accompl HIS W
Love of Our Lord Jesus Christ is the greatest gift of God the Father and His Holy Spirit, and should be the primary message of the Christian church, taking precedence over all differences, whether they be theological, denominatio
Sof you agree that Jehovah's witnesses are true Christians, star?
Yes, I believe they are saved.
Interesting. What denomination are you?
Raised Roman Catholic; now Nondenominational.
Do you attend church or learn on your own?
I attend church and am part of a bible study.
What "Bible" are you reading? The Scriptures say "That at the NAME of JESUS every knee should bow..." (Phil 2:10) What Bible says Jehovah? You in OT where we don't currently live? Under New Covenant! Remember Eph 4:4-6!
"Every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord *** to the glory of God the Father. ***" - Phil 2:11 (Emphasis mine.) Everything Christ did was for the glory of his Father and God, Jehovah. (cf. Lk 4:8; Jn 20:17)
Dear Joe: His NAME is JESUS who is God! (Jn 1:10) He chgs fm Glory to Glory (Eph 3:11; II Cor 3:18); i.e. fm THE SPIRIT (God/JESUS) to Jesus Christ (JESUS) to Holy Spirit (JESUS) as we do! He chgs into many more Glories to accompl His Will! SPIRIT!
It seems you are confused. I pray " that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him." - Ephesians 1:17
Who is Lord Jesus Christ's God? (cf. John 20:17)
HIS SPIRIT that had never been IN FLESH! Although sinless, the flesh was sinful! In ALL PLACES "SIMULTANEOUSLY!" THINK IN THE SPIRIT! HE FILLS HEAVEN & EARTH - ALWAYS!
The flesh of Jesus did not sin. He could have but didn't, one of the reasons the Father was well pleased.(I think) His example is ours to follow, because there is hope there, If He can we can. Our flesh does not have to sin. He didn't.
Rich: AMEN! Rm 8:3-17 "...in the LIKENESS of sinful flesh..." "condemned sin in the flesh..." v.8 "So, then, they that are in the flesh cannot please God!" That's what I've been trying to tell ALL - "Walk in the Spirit!" This is a spiritual journ
You implied that the flesh of Christ was sinful. Not true. Do you think your flesh is sinful right now. If you don't understand where you stand in the flesh you certainly will not understand anything spiritual.
What part of "AMEN" don't u understand? Didn't I say that Christ was SINLESS! Gave u Scripture Rm 8! Why argue? Foolishness! Me? Yes! Rm 3:23. That's why we have to CONTINUE to watch, fight & pray IN THE SPIRIT!
My comments are in regards to your statement
"HIS SPIRIT that had never been IN FLESH! Although sinless, the flesh was sinful! "
His flesh was not sinful.
ALL flesh CAN sin! Jesus DID NOT! That's why I said AMEN to you! Now if u want to continue to call that a LIE so be it! I originally said ALTHOUGH SINLESS! Jesus was in heaven while walking on earth in flesh & in ALL other places simultaneously
My apologies, I should have been more specific. Who is the God of Christ Jesus as referenced in Romans 15:6; 2 Corinthians 1:3; Ephesians 1:3 & 1 Peter 1:3? (cf. John 20:17) What is his God's name?
Who formed Himself and entered Mary's womb?THE SPIRIT whose name is Jesus! Col 1:16-17Scripture was written so "man" could relate. Jesus is a Spirit who fathered Himself! We're talking about THE SPIRIT not a MAN! The Spirit is everywhere simultaneou
So you're saying that the name of Jesus' God is ... Jesus?
JOE: I'm saying JESUS IS GOD! We're talking THE SPIRIT here! Matt 28:18 says "ALL POWER!.." If ALL POWER was given Jesus, where is God? Asleep? Col 1:16-17;20. Answer question under Brad's name please. RICH: II Cor 5:21
Jesus is not God. "In your Law it is written that the testimony of TWO PEOPLE is true. I am the one who bears witness about myself, AND the Father who sent me bears witness about me.” - John 8:17-18 The Father AND His Son, Jesus Christ
P&N:Said "two"but He didn't need anyone but Himself, "The Father" HIS SPIRIT that sent Him (Sent Himself) beareth witness of me."Read on V19 ".if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also." Why? He's FATHER! SPIRIT CAN DO THAT! MAN CAN
"Do not call anyone YOUR father on earth, for one is YOUR Father, the heavenly One." - Matthew 23:9
"There is actually to us one God the Father." - 1 Corinthians 8:6
So, according to you, Jesus is also the Father, correct?
Joe: Not according to me but according to SCRIPTURE! Who else but "I AM" can do this? Don't Limit Jesus! He fills BOTH heaven & earth! Col 2:2-3 "..mystery of GOD, & of the Father, & of Christ" Do u think these r 3? NO! GLORIES! JESUS IS
So you think that Jesus is also the Father, yes?
JOE: Don't you? If you have studied Scripture (in the spirit) you would KNOW! For He will lead and guide you into ALL truth! My God! I'm 65 yrs old I don't have time to "play religion!" Jesus is tired!
This is what the Bible actually teaches:
"You, O Jehovah, are our Father." - Isa 63:16
"There is actually to us one God the Father." - 1 Cor 8:6
"Know that Jehovah is God." - Ps 100:3
Only The Father, Jehovah, is ontically God Almighty, no one else.
JOE: Acts 17:11; John 20:28; I Cor 2:7;10;12-16;12:3; Jn 1:1-14; Heb 1:1-14; Col 1:9-17; 26; Eph 3:8-9; Col 2:2-3;9 so many more. We're talking THE SPIRIT who operates in GLORIES simultaneously! This is a mystery! Col 2:8! JESUS IS "I AM!" AMEN!
And just how do those passages refute the ones I shared which clearly show that only Jehovah is God Almighty and our heavenly Father?
JOE:If u wish to cont to live under the days of creation vs the New Covenant, they don't! Jesus has moved us into a "new" dispensation & ALL POWER is n His Hands which is n us by the Power of the Holy Spirit! Matt 28:18; Jn14:26;Heb 8:10:10:16;Ac
You are being nonsensical. Jesus said "I am NOT ALONE." John 8:16; 16:32. These scripture verses makes the "Jesus ONLY " doctrine a heresy by the mouth of the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus testifies that He and the Father are "two" persons.
P&N: "Two Persons?" Two Gods? Man-Made Lie! Trinity? Holy Spirit is "I AM" whose name is JESUS! He is NOT alone for He is "ALL!" Think "in the Spirit!" I Cor 2:14!
No two Gods, or Trinity, but one YHWH AND His Son. By your logic the blind man in John 9:9 is God too using the words "I am," (ego eimi) These are the same words Jesus Christ used.Greek speakers used this expression much like we would say "It is me."
P&N: Witness Script n OT were concealed NT revealed! Jesus sent disciples out 2 by 2 as witnesses! Mk 6:7;Lk 10:1. II Cor 13:1 says "This is the 3rd time..." & not rel to char! "Blind man" isn't the Holy Spirit which we are discussing! John
Your can't even see by your own evidence that you have refuted yourself AND your "Jesus only" doctrine." 1+1=2. Two by two" means two people in pairs. 1+1=2. "Two witnesses" is two persons. 1+1=2. One God the Father AND one Lord Jesus Christ. 1+1=2.
P&N:U sound like a Pharisee!Mk 6:7="two by two"Lk="pairs!" Either way two were sent out as witnesses!U wish u could find error as they did w/Jesus, but no can do! Jesus is ALL! Father, Son & Holy Spirit therefore don't need witness! Can C if
You're doing nothing more than repeating the same heresy of the Quicunque Vult. Before its concoction, about five hundred years AFTER Christ was sent to Israel by his God and Father, Jehovah, nobody believed such amphigory.
Joe: Don't no what the Quicumque Vult is (man-made=foolishness) don't care to find out! I give Scripture!Num 23:19.I Cor 12:3"..no man can say that Jesus is Lord but by the HS!" Doubting Thomas="My Lord & My God" when he saw Jesus!Jn 20:28 Why no
You would do well, then, to educate yourself for you are, albeit unwittingly apparently, propagating the same mendacity of those APOSTATES.
JOE: I have the HOLY SPIRIT to teach and guide me into ALL truth, & you would do well to seek it for you are, albeit unwittingly apparently, propagating the same mendacity of those SCRIBES AND PHARISEES! Matt 23:13; Luke 11:53. No time to "play"
Prove it. Prove that you're actually being guided by the holy spirit and not some demonic spirit.
Joe: U prove it thru Scriptures I've given u by looking at them "In the Spirit" w/an "open mind" seeking Jesus is God! Don't look at Script "carnally" as father & son but THE SPIRIT Who can perform ALL actions! I KNOW, It's for u TO FIND OUT! Stu
Neither one of you can prove you're being guided by an invisible, magical spirit. saying you are doesn't mean anything at all.
The key word is, "invisible", also imaginary.
Prove your claim. Prove our Creator is imaginary.
No, YOU prove that there is a god first.
"Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." Since you can't present evidence for your outlandish claim consider it dismissed :)
"Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." Since you can't present evidence for your outlandish claim consider it dismissed :) That quote goes double for you!
If exceptional intellect is required to merely duplicate the breathtaking daedal designs and systems present in nature (Biomimetics) then much more the original being replicated. Creation thus represents unshakable proof of our Creator's existence.
If that were true, it would only provide evidence of A creator. You'd still have to prove that your creator is the one responsible.
And who's "exceptional intellect" is required to create your creator? Unshakable? Hardly. It's only your opinion, you still have no proof.
And now you understand why billions of rational people the world over are Theists instead of Atheists.
That would be relevant if and only if our Creator began to exist. Since he's always existed though ... http://bit.ly/SSsy8x
The entire universe has always existed. (matter cannot be created or destroyed). So, the entire universe is your god then.
Well, if the universe always existed, then God always existed. And BTW, where is your tangible evidence that the universe always existed? Because Carl Sagan said it?
No, because the universe physically exists now. It existed in the past and will exist in the future and physics tells us that matter cannot be created or destroyed. Take a physics class and figure it out. It's not even hard to do that math.
Who invented the math? Who invented the physics? Who also existed in the past, exists now, and will exist in the future? God.
If by god, you mean man, then you are right. Mankind invented the physics and math.
God invented math and physics--mankind just figured it out and discovered it was there all along!
If you say so.
Wrong. The universe is +/- 13.70 billion years old. That means that there was a time when the universe did not exist. Everything that begins to exist always has a cause. In this case, God.
Wrong, what was here befor that time? Another universe? Or the same one? This same universe has been here all along. It didn't come from anywhere and it hasn't gone anywhere. It never will. Where would it go? What u see is what. U get. Infinetely
Star, you can say god invented math and physics the same way I can say that magic did. But it doesnt mean anything just to say it.
Joseph and Stargrl - Please read http://hub.me/a7Q2N and try to follow along. We tried to use small words to explain life, the universe and everything. The comments are even better than the hub!
I read that hub before. It doesn't change a thing for me.
And yet you have the nerve to call yourself a 'free-thinker'! You make me laugh.
I am a free thinker. But I disagree with your theory and have dismissed it. I have decided not to buy into it.
Deciding not to buy into something doesn't make that something in any way untrue. It sounds to me like you have decided to just believe in one of the many gods proposed & you're not the least bit interested in whether or not its true.
Yet another example of mind control by a 2,000 year old book that totally depends on dogma, repetition and blind faith.
The comment that involved name calling and personal attacks has been deleted.
If it's in Scripture, It's the Holy Spirit! (II Tim 3:16) Ur right we can only "see" to the ext the HS allows us! Rm 12:3 Limited "measures of faith!" However, some man has told you! It's up to u to STUDY! (II 2:15)
Hard to fit all you want to say in 250 characters. :)
Concerning I Cor 2:7 ..."the wisdom of God in a mystery..." What do you think the "wisdom of God" is if not the Word of God? Col 1:26 I Cor 2:10 II Cor 4:3
Not alone! Tell Paul that (He & HS) on the way to Damascus! Sir: I have given Scripture saying we should teach, preach and plant "seed" (Word of God) in unbelievers. Yes, HS gives inc! Pls give Scriptures for ur belief! II Tim 3:16
Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. We can preach til we are blue in the face, the Father has to draw them first.
True Sir! But we must teach (Matt 28:19), preach (II Tim 4:2) and plant seed (I Cor 3:6) which says (and I agree) "... but God gave the increase!"
Norine, you and I are saying the same thing, just doing it in different ways.
Thank you Sir! Sorry I misunderstood. Have a terrible head cold! Blessings!
Sir Dent, You made my comment clearer. Thank you. It was worded perfectly.
You're welcome Robert. I am still getting used to the name changes here. I didn't realize it was you at first.
TO "ALL!" : I CORINTHIANS 12:1-31 BUT VERSE 3 IN PARTICULAR WHICH SAYS "...NO MAN CAN SAY THAT JESUS IS THE LORD, BUT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT!" JESUS IS GOD!
Any more shouting or preaching that does not address the question will be deleted. This is not your open forum to preach your version of the Gospel. It's my question.
This isn't a synagogue or a church. It is a question I started. Secondly equating being asked to stick to the topic of the question to killing you is ridiculous. You can ask your own questions and write your own hubs for preaching. Not mine.
I thought YOUR question was for everyone’s response. I did & on point. Some found my belief “inappropriate” due to “tradition” & questioned. I was not screaming, but wanted ALL to see repeated responses! Matt 18:20; I Cor 2:14
When you type in all caps on the Internet, it indicates screaming. In addition, you know that people have seen your responses as they've addressed them. They do not, however, have to agree with them.
JM:And the majority don't which causes further "discussions!" II Tim 3:16. Religion, tradition, and unbelief is really the culprit! Prov 3:5! I enjoy proving the "Truth" in His Word! All I ask is that 1 Study II Tim 2:16 with open mind Acts 17:11
Disagreement with you is not the topic of this question. If you want to have further discussions (and what the purpose is of all your quotation marks is beyond me) then you're free to have them on your own hubs and questions. Not mine.
JM: I can't resp to questions re:HS? My last post w/Joe speaks to HS! Topic HS? Why ask quest re:HS if u don't want HS discussed? Blk me fm all of YOUR quest if you don't want "Truth" given fm Scripture!Quotes ="repetitive responses." Jn15:8;16:2-3
1. Saying something is true does not make it true. 2. Just because you think there is no God the father or Holy Spirit and that all three of them are just Jesus doesnt make your responses on topic. This is behavior I'd expect out of a 12 yr old.
JM: Great! I know then that the Holy Spirit IS speaking through me! Thank you JESUS! (Gal 1:10-16). Matt 18:1-14 says you MUST "become as little children..."! I have "...become a fool..."(I Cor 3:18)! Jesus is the Holy Spirit! Jn 14:26;16:13
norine, listing Bible verses do nothing to carry a conversation or discuss the topic of the question. Please move further discussions that are off topic and do not relate to the question to your own hubs or questions, or I will delete them.
JM: How can one discuss HS w/o using Scripture? Gal 4:16?
pick a verse and discuss it. Christians do not agree on what many, if not all, verses mean. You don't need 10 verse references in one 250 character post with no actual discussion. Everyone else seems to manage.
Scripture says "Where there are two or three witnesses, the Word is established!" Deut 19:15; Matt 18:16 & II Cor 13:1. Knowing this, I provide establishment of the Word! You need my email address? We need to talk!
Read the surrounding context of the verses you posted. The verses about "two or three witnesses" is about confronting/ charging a brother in sin/ crime, not establishing your pompous false religion that butchers Scripture as the "Word."
If how you converse here is similar to how you converse in email, we do not need to talk, nor am I interested in your interpretation of a book I've read dozens of times myself.
JM: If Scripture is not what you want to hear, then we don't have anything to converse about! I Cor 2:14; Rm 1:28, I pray not! I do pray that He "...give u the spirit of wisdom & revelation in the knowledge of him..." Ephesians 1:17-18!
Julie, you must be the most tolerant hubber in the world. I would have deleted all of the garbage that Norine is putting here.
You're the one that said we needed to talk, Norine. I disagreed. I have no problem with discussing the Bible, but I want an actual discussion, not someone only posting verses at me like a child and Insisting that everyone is wrong except them.
JM: Scripture is all I have! I love one trait about you, you have an "open mind," willing to listen & try to understand Jesus' doctrine! Austin: You can delete comments but not the truth in the Word of God!
If you're incapable of having a conversation and not just post Bible references, why are you on a discussion site? That's not a conversation. Why not just write on your own hubs If you're not interested in having an actual conversation?
JM: I believe in Scripture that says God cannot lie! I am man, you are man, but the Word of God IS! When correcting my children, in all things, I confer with Scripture & can't go wrong! I assumed that Religion area discussed Script but found dif
That has nothing to do with what I said. This is why I don't think you understand the concept of a conversation. You just want to say whatever pops into your head and hijack every thread on other people's questions because you like it.
It's easy to spam dogma with cherry-picked Bible verses. Why don't you give yourself some credibility here on HP and write an article instead of being a troll, but then again they hate accountability and thorough examination of their words.
JM: What part didn't u understand? God's Words r true! Yours & mine less credible! Who cares what our opinions are for we have no heaven or hell to put anyone in! That's my belief! Num 23:19. HS hijacked! P&N: II Tim 4:2-5. Disputes occur
I don't think you understand that saying something is true doesn't make it true. You have to demonstrate it. And your interpretations conflict with everyone else's inspirations. There's no reason to believe you over anyone else.
JM: It's not about what I say but Scripture! Jn 5:39! Study! I've given Script that's all I can do! Jn 6:44. Problem=religion=others' inspirations! Matt 7:13-14. I pray that your eyes are enlightened!
julie- norine is a pentacostal and is taugh to just bomb their way in and take over. She does not understand scripture and has no desire for truth you are wasting your time with her (so did I until she finally showed her real selt)
Charlie: U & I agree on baptism n the name of the Lord Jesus which is n the minority so why do u speak like this concerning Jesus is "I AM?" Because HS hasn't revealed to u as yet? I've given scriptures yet u r as the majority when it comes to TR
"The Spirit of truth would “…guide us into all truth…"
You're of course correct, the plain reading of the scripture trumps any supposed human wisdom.
"They worship w/their "gut"(Phil3:9)!
Since this comment, it has been revealed (2Cor3:18)there is "ONE BAPTISM"(Eph4:5) & that's "w/FIRE"(JnMatt3:11;Lk3:16;Acts1:5)!
Man can't "deny WORD" or doesn't LOVE GOD!