My conclusion is that NOTHING is really factual or true. NOTHING can be completely proven.......But what say you?
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Actually, that's a pretty good answer! But experiencing a scientifically reliable eclipse event is not quite the same as experiencing a subjective experience.
Sorry it took me so long to reply guys.....yes we are learning as time goes on through scientific experiences and so forth...But because we are a learning race we can't 100% really say what is real from what is not yet.
The only experience is when the Light of God is burning ceaselessly and constantly in your Heart. There will be no mental analysis then, and you willl understand Its play.
Okay.........Well it's nice to know that you believe in Christ too :)
I have followed you for a while, Dwight. You're a good man, and I tell friends that you're a good man. Thank you for the best answer. God bless your sincere heart.
Awwww thanks :)
Hello dashingscorpio.....I like how you began; using the concept of individuals first agreeing on an idea before it can be considered as true. But then again what's true for one group is false for the other. And yet facts continue to change with time
Yes facts and things can change over time. At one point the mineral salt was used in some cultures to purchase things. Today salt is practically worthless. A 19 year old is told her virginity is valuable by society but not so at age 50. Why?
I'm glad we agree dashingscorpio, because my next point will be on the entire foundation of science that many people depends so heavily on. I can;t understand why someone would choose to believe in something fragile that will be archaic in 50 years.
Excellent answer and very well presented too!
Hi. If it is logical to use what is currently wrong to prove what you don't know then logics is wrong, and if logics is what atheist uses to disprove god then they are wrong. God can't be compared to the earth flat because people still believe in him
I believe what M. T. Dremer is pointing out is (learning) something (new) changes things. I suppose people can prove the existence of God or not when they die. Just as being able to see the earth from space proved it was round.
And you're right dashingscorpio...You see if were just learning then we don't know the truth yet and hence can't talk about relying on evidence and facts if we don't know them...yet people try to say that god lacks proof when everything else does!
Atheists do not try to "disprove" god. We simply do not believe that evidence exists for a god or gods. If you have proof, please present it!
A dis-proven theory isn't 'wrong', it's 'incomplete'. Again, it's like a staircase of knowledge, not a reset button. We move forward knowing more. And the further we move forward, the less the god theory fits in.
Hi guys sorry it took me so long to respond. M.T an incomplete puzzle isn't right...And lela can you then tell me why many atheists do not believe in god (I think your answer will have something to do with proof)
An incomplete puzzle is actually a good way to describe it. Guess the picture based on a few pieces and anything outlandish fits. Find a bunch more and you start to get a more focused picture. God was a guess based on a few pieces that no longer fits
Again what you're saying is highly opinionated and lacks any proof whatsoever...We're trying to have a sarcastic, word bending free conversation but you continue to make false analogies based upon what you think. how can you say that god was a guess?
I speak with analogies because, as a writer, it's my way of conveying complex concepts in a small space. I say god was a guess because he fits into the laws of our imagination (art, writing, etc.) but not into the laws of reality (science, math,etc.)
Respectfully, you do know that analogies are the weakest form of argument right? And also you compare god to science but didn't you know that much of science is made of guesstimates...(failed theories) but yet god continues to be much lauded y?
Just because something is popular, doesn't mean it's true. Who wouldn't find eternal peace appealing? And again, you're equating scientific progress with failure, which is misleading.
Let me explain one more time.. :) if the science we believe in now is incomplete as you say, then it is not in fact correct and would be a weak source of evidence for people to rely to compare god with. in 100 yrs atomic physics will an old tale.
I agree that comparing god to science is a mistake. Theism is a narrative mythology relying on plot and character tropes to appeal to people across generations. Science is an equation for understanding the world around us. Apples and oranges.
How can you prove that god isn't real??
You can't, just like you can't prove Zeus isn't real. But the inability to disprove something, isn't proof of it's existence.
Hi M.T. And yes, it is because of that inability to prove/disprove god grounds for why atheist should not say assuredly that GOD IS NOT REAL. Because, that's just plain illogical to disprove what you can't prove. So again "How do u prove anything?"
You prove things based on perception in a shared reality. We both agree the sky is blue, an apple is edible, and ice is cold. These are determined by repeatable experiences from other people. God cannot pass this test.
M.T. you made an excellent point.
"You prove things based on (perception in a shared reality)."
The established "base" is a place where people are in (agreement). Without this "shared reality" no one can (logically) prove anything to anyone.
Yes my friend god can past those tests because people have shared perceptions about him.And i see that you've gone completely rudimentary to try and prove things but it is more than just a blue sky. When it gets more complex people start disagreeing
The perceptions of god are not shared. That's why one person can claim god hates gay people, and another can claim he doesn't. Your god always agrees with what you believe because you created him.
You said one person, you meant groups of persons; hence they share perceptions...Apart from that though, I'll be as basic as you were. All Christians believe that god is loving, made everything and is pretty much spiritual :)
Modern Christians believe god is loving. Christians of the past believed he was incredibly wrathful. He has changed to suit the needs of the time, which means he is neither consistent nor constant.
Umm actually your wrong there, read the david's psalms and research how many times the word love for god appears in the old testament. Much hasn't really changed. It is since Jesus came that the concept of mercy scaled hence why there is less wrath.
The presence of any wrath is a contradiction to the loving narrative. As are sanctions on slavery, sexism and homophobia. God can change with the times but the bible can't, which is why it's so often at odds with modern morality.
Oh my M.T That's really sad. Don't you know that god can be anything he wants HE IS GOD. How can you see that as a contradiction. you can love you son but have vengeance against those who would try to hurt him. WHERE IS THE CONTRADICTION??????!!!!!
The contradiction is in the absolutes: all loving, all knowing, all good. A father can be loving and wrathful, but a father is human. The claim is that god is above humans and is perfect.
DING! DING! DING! DING! And that's where you're wrong My friend :)
After conversing with you for a while MT I realize that you perceptions of god are either self generated or just wrong. I encourage you to revisit the idea of the christian god :)
The old "science is flawed" argument for god, eh? Remember when you believed in Santa Claus? Then you grew up and could no longer find evidence for SC? It's the same for god, we just can't find the evidence for a god. Who, What, When, Where is it?
Hi lele, that is such a poor anomaly...over a Billion people still believe in god as adults but how much still believes in Santa clause. In fact in Jamaica there are some people who don't even know what Santa clause is :)