I am an atheist, which to me only means that I haven't been shown requisite evidence to convince me of an omnipotent, all-knowing deity of any kind. If you would, please bring forth this evidence and deliver me from a fiery afterlife. I have an exceptionally open mind, and will do my absolute best to thoughtfully consider reasonable claims. Thank you in advance.
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Atheism doesn't imply rejection, only uncertainty. The mind (and Universe) also contain energy. I reject the senses in The Universe is Absurd. It's OK to question something, even if you are certainly unsure about it. Great answer/link Buildreps, Thx!
I think uncertainty is the footing of agnosticism, where atheism is the positive belief there is no deity. In a sense, that makes all us heirs of DesCartes agnostic to some degree, but it seems to be more a matter of one's dominant view.
Atheism literally means without belief: a-theos. The passive belief that there is no God is gnostic atheism, and it's a very small minority. most atheists are agnostic atheists who do not make a positive claim, but withhold belief.
JM: yes, we apparently cannot make this point enough.
Luke, I should just copy the definitions and variations of atheism because I have to repeat this all the time, and people still don't seem to understand it even after it's explained. There is gnostic/agnostic theism AND atheism.
That's way easier, yes. Here's a useful graphic: http://www.stanleycolors.com/2013/07/atheism-vs-th...
The difference between atheists and believers is simple. Atheists do not preach to believers to start NOT believing, we just ask for evidence, but all we get is quotes from bibles preaching to us that we are fools for asking for evidence..hmmm
NOPE! All I ask of unbeliever is to provide "the book?" If not, must be real for who else would KNOW these things thousands of years ago, but the Creator (GOD)?
Oh, by the way, where is your "evidence" that He does not exist?
Norine, the evidence of non-existence is the FACT no one can see or hear this character from a fairy tale book. Except people like you, in my part of the world when people talk or claim to see things that are invisible we call them crazy.
Your part of the world must be TOTALLY DEMONIC!
So you admit HP will do nothing nothing to you, I figured
That out, if they are who they say they are , it would be different. But you are not who you say you are.
So it does not matter what I say, because you continue in your comments as HP.
k&t: You are "mentally deranged!"
Who are you talking to and what are you talking about?
Did WORD not say "Decently & in Order" (I Cor 14:40)?
STOP! You're making a "complete ignoramus" of yourself!
I love this answer Besarien. Thank you for respecting my belief system, and I will continue to respect yours. I agree that we should embrace differing viewpoints in the combat against monotony. I like your point on our perception of reality, I agree.
FBN the point is our eyes can not see micro
Organisms that give message in our DNA
Which was discovered, were people crazy before who new this but could not produce
Satisfied proof of ridicule.
Now there is no doubt. If you exist,So does GOD.
I say YES! If not, why can't unbelievers provide a book w/more accurate fulfilled prophecies than the Bible; otherwise, just using "proof" as an excuse! THEY KNOW!
"Choose" (Joshua 24:15)!
FB, you just say anything, and you really believe what you say. I have nothing more to say to you because you are disrespectful on any basis hear. Can not communicate with people who are foul mouth.
I KNOW! For JESUS said "HYPOCRITES" (Matt 23); FOOLS (Gal 3) & u certainly can not communicate with HIM!
Every word I have used is a word from the dictionary, which in turn is a word permitted UNDER THE BIBLE INSTRUCTIONS......see how you believers pick and choose what parts of the bible to listen too? Anyhow, you up for that challenge mate?
Seems rather presumptuous for a human to decide who is worthy of communicating with god.
And people wonder why I use the word arrogant alot...
don't even know how god managed to spell his name in times when alphabets didn't exist lol, let alone write a fucking book
Besarien: In all honesty it's been hard for me to find an answer so identical in every detail to mine. I salute your mind after all normative/critical opinions about God that I have encountered on Q.& A..I believe, but in my own version of God.
I have wrote my own forum about God creating satan, and how religion is a business....have a look....
GUYS: NO ONE VALUES IGNORANCE!
MY, MY, MY, & I, I, I is ALL I hear from U “self righteous” demons!
MY GOD told me to “..shake the dust off my feet.” Converse w/each other to reaffirm ur “ignorant” beliefs!
Go to sleep for ur "opinions" are!
Only ignorant and closed minded people shut down those of differing viewpoints simply because their views are different.
Lately that's all you've been doing Norine, and calling others satanic to boot.
LinK: I serve THE CREATOR, u serve "self!"
Now who's "ignorant?"
U can't serve two masters. Either GOD or Satan. No in between! Therefore, unbeliever = Satanic!
Link the example applies because a theft also took place between The Father, and Adam, that caused a short life span for him and us, we are just living off the power of the human body, which drains of power quickly, and also causes malfunction.
At minimum the human life span increases every decade.
How would an increasing life span, which in your context should mean a preservation if not increase in power, cause malfunctions?
Norine I also told you do not reply to me again , so either you are mentally deranged, or you have some very bad mental problems, because you can not control your words and conduct on this site. Again do not post to me.or you will regret it.
k&t: Nor u me! (Matt 10:14)! U've ALREADY BEEN DEFEATED - SATAN!
I can control my words, I use words that are printed in my dictionary...God is a swear word in my eyes but keeps getting used, just like fuck is in ur eyes. P.X I posted to Norinne not you anyway so what you going on about?
Links malfunctions that we are not suppose to have them,
People were meant to live longer then trees or animals, and now if you can make it to 80 that special, but generations of time have drained our genes down to more humans dieing sooner.
FB: I commend u man, in that you r "open & honest" in ur belief. "God is a swear word in my eyes but keeps getting used, just like fuck is in ur eyes, " & don't give a (blank) who/what cares about it. Unfortunately, geared wrong! If same ene
Norine leave FB alone you have caused him anguish , you are not helping repeatedly saying things to him. He is a nice guy but you are the one bring out contention, please stop.
You are Harassing people in the name of religion Jesus does not condone
Kiss, the average (natural) life span now is about 80 years, but the oldest people have reached is between 100-120 years old. People were lucky to make it past their 30s just a few hundred years ago
So what are you talking about people dying sooner?
Link sooner like the example of the alternator and battery.
Read supercentenarian ages.,
Really the body regenerates replacing cells of bones and flesh, muscle, we should never grow old, but we do because something is missing , like a alternator
Link, people die sooner because they don't care for themselves. We are not meant to live forever in our bodies now, but our soul lives forever, and Jesus will restore our bodies. Something to think about. Norine: you are spot on.
Read the comments on this one, it is a perfect example of why preaching/grouping ur believes is causing you to agree to blowing people up
FB: NOPE!! Perfect example of how "wolves" come in "sheep" clothing & w/o Holy Spirit's discernment, 1 will be taken in by syrupy LIES!
Okey doke, So we're just going to keep ignoring the human lifespan continues to increase as time passes..
LinK: U'd better IF u want to please GOD!
Rm 8:8 "So, then, they that r in the flesh cannot please GOD."
This is a "Spiritual" (mature) journey!
Link it is true many people say bad or worse, but is it proper to assume people welcome the foulness, would it be proper if some one assumed you like to smell mess in their pants , so they just sit and stand in your presence .the mouth is the same.
If 1 can't stand the "mess in the pants," move around!
JESUS always went to "mess in the pants" when teaching, saving!
HE has ALWAYS made "the least the greatest," not as U!
If 1 can't see ur "syrupy LIES," they MUST be BLIND!
So you are Link, I am not replying to you , why are you still posting a d replying to me , I am not saying anything to you.
But so since you want to say something to me , you who disgrace the name of Jesus is the example using the BC word here.
Norrine. We have a choice you say. We also have a CHOICE right NOW weather to turn the place we live into hell or heaven, this world could be lovely but the ACTIONS of the greedy faiths is turning where WE live right NOW into hell....why?
FB: It's not only the "greedy faiths," there r "greedy" politicians, pharmaceutical companies, ALL society displays "greed" bcuz Bible will be fulfilled! I Tim 6:10 says "..the LOVE of money is the root of ALL evil.." What I LOVE re: Bible=2 Pet 1:3
Then your FAITH is disgusting for allowing greedy politicans to use your faith to seek greed....You need to go find things out about who is behind the politicians/making them bark orders to puppets like us, you might learn how see through faith is
FB: NO! It was prophesied in Bible & will b fulfilled! I AGREE! Society (man) is EVIL! We MUST go BEYOND their immature ("carnal") way of thinking & into the Mature ("Spiritual") realm of life! They will come! 1 day they'll drive "telepathi
Norine if you feel like you are doing Jesus work by saying the things you say , then it is Jehovah and Jesus will back you if I am wrong, nothing more to say to you. I AM FINISHED.
k&t: "Jesus & Jehovah?" Did u not STUDY (I Cor 12=ONE SPIRIT)? WORD given (WHO IS GOD) has ALREADY "backed me up!"
U were "defeated" (FINISHED) from the beginning!
Norrine and K&T do you not realise u r both bickering because u r BOTH right? ur both RIGHT because they r ur views and beliefs.so this could escalate to a fight between you both (war) and it will be because u r both right..that is what faith doe
Kiss, I really have no idea what you're talking about. Mainly because of the manic need you and Norine have to post on 20 different threads rather than wait for a response and keep everything together.
What the hell is BC?
FB: Remember "Choose" (Josh 24:15)? No n btwn or half truths! If both rt, based on WORD, someone's wrong! Holy Spirit "leads & guides" who tells ALL truth! Based on her comments (ignorant), how rt?
LinK:I asked of "twisted" postings & beliefs
I am going to apologize for hurting your feelings , but not telling the truth, for the peace of this forum. NE XT If YOU Continue YOUR Attacks I expose the source.
k&t: Who are u talking to? U comment "out of sequence," don't address to whom you're speaking, yet want "PEACE?" I Corinthians 14:40 says EVERYTHING "should be done DECENTLY & IN ORDER!"
Then, why do u cont 2 display MORE "UnChrist-likenes
Norine the game is over, I apologize for offending you.
But not telling the truth.
So there is nothing left to say . Peace Norine to you , I mean it from my heart.
k&t: You see! Your problem is you think the WORD of GOD is a "game!" As you know by now, NO ONE or NOTHING can STOP HIS WORD!
What TRUTH? Hiding behind "syrupy sweet LIES," isn't TRUTH! ONLY HIS WORD is TRUTH!
I forgive, but talk to JESUS!
Like, by outlining its exact contents? That's a tough one.
Carbon Dioxide: 0.0397%
We know air is where we see it, because we actually see it.
WOW! If you would channel that unbelief into belief, you could "..do GREATER THINGS THAN JESUS" (Jn 14:12)!
Norine your example says enough, I listen to Jesus voice, not people who pretend and call people names. I was reading before your name existed on HP stop making statements to me because you have already shown the real you and you are not like Jesus
Again, this is what believers do, they try to make people believe in a book that has no evidence of being true...if god/jesus is about bullying people to believe in them through their messengers then you lot really do need to stop and think...bullies
No there is no bullies here , you do not have to believe in anything said , hear, you control your computer button and volume.
We listen to your views and disagree so should you be called a bully as well to your views?
UI r a bully & was shown under Q "Why are Christians Afraid to Follow Jesus?" ur "personal vendetta" against me!II Cor 4:3 applies to U! U care more about U & ur status on HP, than TRUTH=Satan!U certainly know how to "draw them to ur jesus!"
Look at the replies.you deem people that do not believe as twisted believers etc..not to mention you have to advertise on billboards and TV as well as posting leaflets through HOUSE doors to try and recruit new believers = don't businesses advertise?
That's JW's problem! If they thnk that's how to "teach all nations" OH WELL but they leave my house "running" fm "The Gospel of Christ" so Gal 1:6-9 applies to them as well!
FB, I never called anyone twisted accept the person who uses foul and disgusting language , being very disrespectful of this community of ladies and the elderly.
People need to set good examples if the want to be respected and heard.
wow.....so you don't consider preaching parts of your special book as foul and disrespectful language to non-believers? The thread is about supplying evidence, it is not about copy and pasting (chinese whispers) bullcrap from a book....
"People need to set good examples if the want to be respected and heard." The WORD of GOD IS a "Good Example" NOW that's TRUTH! See how "twisted" u r?
PROOF: Provide that book for Assyrian Tablets only PROVIDES HARD EVIDENCE of TRUTH!
I can NOT respect a grown adult that believes in a book that has probably been through the same PRINTING and EDITING process as a spiderman book goes through....TELL ME WHO PUBLISHES THE BIBLE BOOK, THEN TELL ME WHO PUBLISHES LETS SAY THE QU'RAN?
The Assyrians and their deity, Ishtar, came up with prophecies before the Israelites adopted them. Like the Romans took from the Greeks and on and on. Stories evolve. Even the Grimm Bros. changed fairy tales from their rather gloomy origins.
FB:I don't want UR (man's) respect! I BELIEVE GOD!
Taop:If GOD is CREATOR (I BELIEVE) how did those tablets come into existence w/o HIM?
Satan has fooled "unbelievers" as well creating timeline before GOD! Poor fools! Hell is ur HOME(ETERNALLY)!
Fair enough YOU believe it, but that does not give you the right to PREACH it to non believers that you just called FOOLS...more bullying. Faith is a feeling, you can NOT teach feelings..so stop trying to push your way on others..like the ARMY does?
They came into existence because men inscribed them on clay. Prophecy stories are as old as mankind, just as creation tales are. Ishtar was the god of the Assyrians, not Yahweh. The stories were adopted & adapted to fit the Israelite deity.
FB: Matt 28:19 “TEACH!” Gal 3:1 “FOOLS!” I give WORD, u have FREE WILL (Josh 24:15)!
Taop: THE CREATOR gave “men” prophecies & if u want to blv THE CREATOR was "adopted & adapted" by men u align with I Jn 4:3=”AntiChrist!”
Good nite "FOOLS!"
FBN you with your disgusting language have been the worse example of you so disbelief, you are the prime example why people should not be what you are, every word is foul and disgusting and you think that is value no it is garbage.
Nothing to learn
Again your not listening....PREACHERS DON'T LISTEN WHEN THEY SPREAD THEIR FOUL AND DISGUSTING DECEASED BIBLE VERSES and are asked not to after being asked nicely, SO THEY RESORT ME TO SAYING FUCK OFF through their ignorance of continuing to preach
FB the only thing to do is just ignore her post, you see her name ignore it , the way she ignore us.
I HOPE THE VERY BEST FOR YOU. PEACE!
k&t: I wish u would take your own advice ("ignore her posts"), but that "personal vendetta" (Satan) won't allow, huh?
FB: I Tim 3:15 says "THE WORD is to be used for "CORRECTION" & when u say "DECEASED BIBLE VERSES" it's a LIE!
As a note, Football's language has nothing to do with disbelief.
Plenty of believers say worse things, even without swearing. I think any gay child denounced from their family and thrown out their home can attest to that
Link you should know by now I always gives examples so the one I am talking to can understand what I am saying, anyone can say something but do you understand it.
Since FB, is a fan of it , that was my point, of not coping a bad move., be yourself.
k&t: " be yourself?" What kind of "Christians" r u? READ Lk 14:26 AGAIN it MIGHT sink in this time!
Either u're "ignorant" of HIS WORD, r u r trying to lose souls (Satan)! Which one?
Simple only you can say and do things in your own house,
No guest may be permitted, so you attack me as a guest, but you really are the owner who says and does as he or she wishes. You curse words, the F, word the BS word was used
k&t: You should be "ashamed" (Jn 8:44; I Cor 14:40)! I never used F or BS words!
Why continue to LIE & show "ignorance?"
The more you talk, the more you "ruin your reputation!"
FBN when I say local is accepted , meaning these laws stand because God has not interfered with them, but what acceptable is public service we all pay for , Police, fire, Sanitary, we benefit from these no matter rather you believe in God or not.
The police are just as corrupt as religion, the police is just formed to make money...ie arrest people for not abiding by acceptable rules that the police are told to impose on the public then fine the public for breaking such stupid rules,
FBN, you are Describing the imperfections of humans who use their power in the wrong way, but not all is rotten fruit, just like not all men are bad , neither women, or children, so we can not label everybody bad. Not right.
GOD continues to ask who but ME would have spoken through man to reveal prophecies yrs prior to fulfillment w/such accuracy? Answer that! If not, there's your PROOF that GOD is ALIVE & REAL!
lol.......so GOD is relying on chinese whispers......you jokers lol....word or mouth is good for a week, any longer it becomes boring and deaf to ears
"Chinese whispers?" Ignorant!
Straight fm GOD if 1 can "hear" HIS voice! Don't need middle man middle wall of partition "torn down" (Eph 2:14)!
Grow up yall! "Spiritual" is HIGHER LEVEL than "carnal!"
1 day u'll drive ur car via telepathy!
FBN , I use that to help you understand , but
Again you write here on a page , I do not see you as fictional, you communicate through written page,So does God almighty,if you are real he is real also that is what I am on.
Please do not post to me.
Yes I am real because I am living. God is not living, he is just merely a fictional character that people claim AFTER BEING TAUGHT they feel his spirit, you can't teach spirits, so why is it on the educational rota at schools? = too brainwash kids
Jack I truly believe as you have stated how rare life is to , think about it we who are living now beat the odds of being born, we could simply not have existed at all, but we are here.
Next just think that many a egg and sperm, will not create life
k&t: Satan u're creating a "Paper Trail" for HP!
Be careful u don't cut off your nose to spite your face (interrupting conversation)!
Norine I told you to quit posting to.me but you insist, first you claim you love Jesus, how can you love Jesus calling g people fools , demons, satan , ignort, the records shows you only love the sound of the words you are not an example of a Christ
Exactly K&T that is what people like her do, they PREACH - how can you educate a spirit into someone/a feeling? All I ask is stop the preaching and let people find the spirit naturally if it exists, rather than preach a spirit into them= BRAINWAS
example everyone can not be a teacher, everyone does not have the skills to be a teacher, but they force their ways
In a dogmatic way. I want to say I am sorry for your bad experience here.This is what atheists have a problem with
FB: Don't talk "about me" & expect me not to give WORD! I BELIEVE! Matt 28:19-20 told us to "TEACH," & "OBSERVE" the disciples. Only doing what's commanded of me. U KNOW u r a spirit housed in a body in is inevitable to be reconciled to ur C
Norrine ru still preaching? Ok I am not sinking 2 ur level and upsetting others by having 2 use foul language AGAIN. If you can't answer a simple question like "how can you educate a spirit into a human" without preaching, then my convo wiv u is over
Norine he is grown enough to make his own decisions as you did some time ago.
Why are you destroying his possibilities by not leaving him alone, Jesus did not preach people into a relationship with him, he asked if they declined he moved on.
k&t: I Peter 3:15 "..be ready ALWAYS 2 give an answer to EVERY MAN.." He asked
If u weren't so "ignorant" of HIS WORD, u'd KNOW!
Study instead of degrading WORD!
FB: I Cor 3:6 "I PLANT the seed..., but only GOD can give the increas
Lolita, on the subject of the souls of humans they do die.
Not still living, notice.Ec 9:10Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going.
Either u r SATAN in his highest form r u don't know how to hold a conversation. U do do as Ecl 9 says "do w/all ur might" & GOD knows where u're going (HELL) for "quenching the Holy Spirit" (HIS WORD; I Thess 5:19)!
Norine I had time to think, I am the one looking at this whole thing wrong, you have always been a mystery , you have always just had to much of your way to say and insult , I tell you what , I know what is going on now, so this is what I am going
k&t:IF "u've had time to thk," then u KNOW what I 've said comes fm WORD & IF u dispute="blasphemy!"
NOW, r u willing to suffer consequences fm GOD which is MUCH MORE in comparison to ANYTHING HP could do to me fm your "threats?"
Won nothing Norine you are the only one playing to win a game or something, peace to you, no more arguments or replies from take care.
k&t: SO, u admit it was "a game" for u! Who mentioned "won?" I have always said u (Satan) were defeated fm the beginning as stated n WORD! There's no need to fight Holy Spirit, for Satan will NEVER "win!"
I love U!
FB, we either have the right way or wrong way to do anything in life, you know the truth, but you are blaming God for the freedom people use , true you can make good choices we are supported to do so.
But many are choosing wrong.
Yes, exactly, the people in charge of each country make the rules not god, they say what is good or bad, if we all follow them like sheep and go to wars (bad), then we are all evil, for not downing tools and saying no to the rule makers...
FBN, there are two domains , you speaking
Mostly of earthly, and we do abide by the earthy laws here. But the heavenly domain existed way before our time, So by order we are to obey God as ruler then man, but respect local domain is accepted.
Local domain is what laws man make an impose on the rest of society, these rules are made to control people via money, so how can you say as a believer that earthly rules are acceptable? god is fictional he gets preached about via chinese whispers
FBN , We are living on planet earth which is our living Domain, not fiction, we also can see luminaries that are in the heavenly atmosphere, that too is not fiction, the sun , moon , stars , benifit us, not fiction, the Creator is not fiction.
Acts 5:29 "...We ought to obey GOD rather than men."
K & T: A Creator may not be fiction, but the story given said Creator can only be fiction. We are thousands of years beyond the primitive stories meant for a primitive desert people. This does not mean there is no God or Force behind creation.
Experiences of personal divine revelation aren't commonplace and I wonder if some folk are more spiritually receptive than others. Some pray all their lives and never get answers. Could you elaborate on how you're so sure it was God who spoke to you?
I am GOD so they're all lying because I have never spoke to them lol..On another note I am looking for a business partner, Stella will you be my Mary, I will write a book and people can celebrate us and make us rich, audition start at 9pm
Stella I agree that many may pray in a mechanical way ,
Hebrew 11:6 , for whoever approaches God must believe that he is and that he becomes the rewarder of those earnestly seeking him.
That is the difference, also do you address him with respect
Who give God his name, was it God givin himself that name b4 letters of the ALPHABET even existed or was it man that made the alphabet up in order to write a book about GOD and name him GOD..p.s if you research alphabet group you will c google own it
Stella: Who r u addressing? All of these "birds that flock together" interrupted as is Satan's job!
I imagine Stella is addressing recappers comment.
Seeing as how the comment was 7 days ago, it has nothing to do with the satanic bird flockers you keep mentioning Norine. Is there a reason you keep invoking Satan?
His spirit is real but has ALREADY BEEN DEFEATED!
As the Scribes & Pharisees (spirit of Satan) continued following JESUS (as u, K&T, & other unbelievers do me), he is expected to show up!
What's SAD, u ALL don't know u're his advocate,
Who created Satan then Norrine? If God created life then he is to blame for creating the bad cop Satan. Or was Satan around before God?
Branding people as the advocate for choosing not to believe is laughable, we don't cause hate pushers of faith do
Yes Norine my question was intended for recapper's delight and thanks for your comment football nut...I'm flattered..
You have been flattered by the devil this means according to Norine's book, thought the devil was horrible lol.
FB: Is 45:7! There’s no in between! Either GOD or Satan! U’ve “Chosen!” Who speaks evil of THE CREATOR, but u=Satan!
What “book” do I have? LIAR! The WORD of GOD is GOD’S Voice!
Stella: “Flattered” by evil? Satan’s advocate? WOW!
Your doing it again, because you believe in God you believe in Satan too..YOU and God are branding REAL LIFE HUMAN BEINGS as something...we don't brand ourselves as anything, it is you lot categorising people/causing hatred and conflict by doing this
Yes, I do! Eph 6:12 “We wrestle not against flesh & blood, but against principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world, against “spiritual wickedness” in high places.” Spirits (demons), & if “immature” (carnal) unable 2 “fi
It is only people like you that believe in DEMONS, SATAN, GOD, AND OTHER BIBLE PEOPLE your arguing with yourselves by trying to spread your stupid word/creating the demons, sounds like your fighting your own demons by thinking non-believers have them
Kiss and tales is an unbeliever and an advocate of Satan?
What a joke, as much as I don't agree with either of you, that's certainly not the truth and a lie on your part Norine.
Though I'm sure I've seen you 2 disagree alot, so that explains it.
FB: U either believe THE CREATOR or self (Rm 8:8; aka Satan)-No in between (Rm 1:21-32)!
LinK: YES, there’s no half-truth although sugar coated to fool those w/o Holy Spirit discernment (Prov 14:12)! Satan agrees w/Satan (Ps 119:63)!
TRUTH! JW Cult
There is a half-way - I am living proof so are many other non-believers, I do not preached God or believe in him nor do I go around causing people pain in my actions (other than religious pushers), so LIFE expert what am I? I am in between FACT
FB: U can't serve two masters! That why Joshua 24:15 asked us to "Choose!" Either GOD or Satan! No in between! Since u refuse GOD, no other alternative but Satan!
Your doing it again....you believe what Joshua as "ASKED", I don't, tell Josh if I have to choose I will choose HELL sounds warm there lol. Forget what Josh says and the other I WANT YOU TO ANSWER MY QUESTION...I don't believe in either so what a I?
Yes, I blv WORD (Josh) who says “Choose!” If HELL is OK w/u, so be it! But, now that u know, Lk 24:7 applies, “Beaten with many Stripes!”
Don’t blv in either, but know, u’ve been told, & still refuse, Lk 24:7 applies & not of God, no other=S
You are so incredibly incurious, Norine. In the mosaic of life you pick one stitch and claim it as the answer to everything. Many things exist & you're not even curious about what rests beyond your own fence. What are you afraid actually of?
Norrine, here is a choice for you.
Stop thinking no one has heard of God and that it is your duty to inform them of him
Start thinking people know about God and choose not to believe so U don't need 2 bully them with ur bullshit verses
Taop:BA Psychology + Hrs toward MA (man’s)! NOTHING “exceeds” this Spiritual journey! Afraid of GOD-I’ve seen HIS POWER (Acts 1:8) & HIS BENEFITS!
FB:Matt 28:19 told BELIEVERS 2 “TEACH” whether 1 accepts or not!
Bully? U have “Choice”=”Free Will!
He told believers to teach..well tell him some non-believers do not give two f***s about his demands and that he should tell believers to shut up once they have been told to by non-believers instead of keeping on and on with the PREACHING OF BULLCRAP
FB: U have a "choice!" Don't listen! Move on like MOST!
But "Now u KNOW!" I've done my job!
Oh thank you Norrine, I had never heard of God until I met you....as said before people know about the God rumour they don't need preachers, you seem to think people are not capable of being educated about the book without you throwing verses at them
FB: I opened my Bible randomly and it fell on Ephesians 5:6-17!
HE continues to "lead & guide me!"
Thank you JESUS!
I have read the fairy tale before and deemed it as just that a FAIRY TALE.....see what I mean you literally think believers have never heard of God and decided it is bullshit....God is a murderer he creates life then kills it.....horrible man
And where is that BA + MA hrs from? The School of No Opposition? And you compose like an imbecile. Without curiosity, coherency & inquiry, education is just a ruse on paper. There is a difference between technician & healer, no? What a
Taopi, whose BA and MA do you mean?
FB:“Fairy tale” to u! If ANYTHING “impedes” HIS WILL (u included), HE moves it! The world’s BA!
Taop:I have “Free Will” also! Better listen to the MESSAGE v messenger (composition)! Diff between “carnal” (immaturity)v“Spiritual" (Maturity)!
Norinee wrote this in response to my comment: "Taop:BA Psychology + Hrs toward MA" I presume she is talking about herself? Perhaps I was mistaken, which would make more sense, since Norine doesn't compose well. Nothing wrong, just is what it is .
Taop: U can attack the messenger, but U will NEVER change TRUTH or NEVER DEFEAT THE CREATOR (aka GOD)!
Satan - U've ALREADY BEEN DEFEATED (Like that composer; lol)!
Where's that book?
If u can't provide, there's PROOF that GOD exists!
Norine, you're nuts, plain and simple and while this has been entertaining, I've already stayed beyond my initial resolve.
FB: Good luck to you! I left a reply to your inquiry about the BA a couple of comments above this one.
I Cor 2:14 "But the "natural man" receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are "FOOLISHNESS" unto him, neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
Message important, not messenger!
Still pushing that word out with verses..if you have not noticed in my view you are preaching fiction so there is no point continuing with your copy and paste messages.
FB: That's right! U've been given over to a "reprobate mind" (Rm 1:21-32)!
"His hand is still stretched out" (Isaiah)
Yes I have a "reprobate mind" if that is what you as a BELIEVER want to MAKEUP and categorise sensible people with, at least it is a considerate non pushing/bullying mind. Can we have a different fairy tale tonight this God one is proper boring?
FB: In ur journey in life, cont "searching" for SOMETHING/ANYTHING to fill that "empty spot" (spirit)! After you've tried EVERYTHING, remember, GOD is waiting and "His hand is still stretched out" WAITING to fill that "empty spot!"
Please advise of what this empty spot in my life is that you are presuming I have. I am happy with nothing, people that are happy with nothing do not need FANTASY STORIES to fill empty gaps now think who is filling empty spots usin fiction me or you?
If not empty, "I am happy with nothing," why this statement?Again, cont "searching,"but NOTHING will fill that "empty spot,"but GOD for we came fm HIM & will return to HIM! Believing fills our "empty spot" w/BENEFITS in this world bfore "reconcil
Stop brainwashing yourself...and answer the question instead of keep avoiding questions you can't answer. If I believe in nothing then there is nothing to search for....why are you filling an EMPTY SPOT of yours with a fictional book warmth?
FB: U can remain in "denial," but cont "searching!" After trying ALL, u will find, NOTHING will fill that "empty spot," but GOD for "reconciliation" is inevitable!
This empty spot if nothing but a creation yet again of a BELIEVER.u r creating these gaps in ur head. LISTEN I don't need a book/faith to fill gaps, I am happy knowing my TRUTH of nothing..there is no gap except the one you are trying to create in me
FB: I didn't "create that empty spot," just reminded! Keep searching & when u've exhausted ALL means, IF u want to find peace & fill that "empty spot," your only ultimatum is GOD!
It is inevitable, we WILL reconciliate w/THE CREATOR!
Do you not listen? There is nothing to search for...so I am not even searching for anything...all I am saying is your a bully that keeps on preaching in order to TRY AND CREATE gaps in my life so you can fill it with your bible bullshit..
FB: That "bible bullshit" is WHO created U & U will reconcile to HIM eventually whether u like it or not! Why not stop wasting x & try HIM for BENEFITS in this world & fulfillment of that "empty spot?"
DEAF by the looks of things....you are the one SAYING there is an empty spot, you as a believer are CREATING empty spots not fucking God lol.either listen before you preach bullshit, your preaching is turning me further away from the that stupid book
FB: Maybe! But I beat u remember this conversation when u turn to sin trying to fill that "empty spot!" That's all I want, for HIM to convict that conscience of yours! For it is my desire (& HIS) that "no one is lost!"
The only people that are lost r those that feel the need to rely on a fictional happy sounding book in order to feel empty spots in their lives.here is a verse from another fictional book..I can do all things in Him who strengthens" do u believe lol
FB: Point is "Do u blv?" Keep "searching!" One day....
Norine let Jehovah be the Judge of ignorance.
You certainly are not in the seat to judge it.
k&t: U cont to show "ignorance!" JEHOVAH'S name is NOW JESUS for HE is, was & is to come-now JESUS under New Covenant! Oh Yeah! Showing more "ignorance! "I" don't judge but HIS WORD does (which I use)! READ Ps 37:30 & I Cor 6:3 Who is "ma
Here you here are some FACTS, treat this in the same manner you treat the bible and read every word or both the forum subject and the comments https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/forum/134...
FB: U listen to "man's opinions," (Prov 3:5; u can see what it's done to those who PROCLAIM "Christianity"), & I to the Holy Spirit (Jn 14:26)!
Where's that book?
I just sent you a link to that book.....stop preaching and shut the fuck up and listen for a change..I have told your the rich make enough from the made up book you believe in so no other books need to exist...can't believe you think books are life
FB: Makes u angry u cant find that book? lol.
Jn 3:15 Sure do BELIEVE in "THE BOOK!" Jn 3:15
Angry, finding books, made up books r the problem so no I am not, Just amused by people who can not think 4themself and listening to BRAINWASHED people that seems 2 think a MAN MADE that the rich financially gain from is treated as a spirit
HB, You are the selfish , disrespectful human I have heard on this site, no respect for, women, your elders , authority, sad the records show what you are , even if you do not believe in God what you are surly has did a number on you. Sad.
Respect is another man made thing that the power of words control. Just like the bible HAND WRITTEN WORDS BY THE RICH, the power of words control people. LIKE YOUR LEADERS WORDS, DO WHAT THEY SAY OR GET UR BELONGINGS TOOK/FINED OR PUT IN PRISON =God
So you have no respect of other humans , but you want humans to respect and hear your words , well you lost that opportunity when you let your mouth spew foul language .
You can not get respect to be listen to when you can't show it.
Not if they don't show respect to me. 4 example on numerous occasions I have asked nicely not to be preached to, then I have been called demented, twisted, etc etc (is that respect from BELIEVERS?), in the end I have to say shut up & fuck off
FB, I can say if she really loves Jesus as says she claims ,showing it not attacking anyone who think different.
Then her I write Eph 4:29 Let a rotten word not come out of your mouth, but only what is good for building up as the need may be,
Well I am sorry for being foul mouthed but asking nicely get's me nowhere. She don't realise u can not EDUCATE A SPIRIT INTO SOMEONE, if you do you have brainwashed them, if she shut up and let people be one day they might find this spirit naturally
FB I agree with you on that thought.People should be allowed to make their own spiritual decisions.She did, there was a time she did not know what she thinks
But you would think somebody beat her with a bible lol! they forgot to peel it off.
That is right K&T, and I respect her views but not her actions, if it says in the bible spread the word of God, in the manner she does, which is attempting 2 brainwash people, I have no respect 4 that. Norrine how can you educate a spirit into so
Norine he only cussed when you were vexing himyou vex me too, something is wrong with you Norine,and I think you need some mental help .please leave him alone, he is finish with you,I will no longer post to you , I hope he will do the same for peace
k&t:This is a child & sees everything as money making! My job “teach,” although he finds repulsive may have never heard before.U stop! Respect is not JESUS but TRUTH-Heb 4:12! Words I used n Bible not rotten words! Cant find naturally FB w/o
It is money making, so why don't you shut up and b the STUDENT for once instead of keep thinking ur a TEACHER. Charities exist to become rich from a spirit. Christmas is a lie to kids to sell trillions in products, need I go on?
FB you are responsible for youself, and actions I am not looking at Norine but my focus is on you.
Football example are we to repeat a bad play strategy if a poor player exis to succeed in a game.? No you do your part.
You be the best you can be.
Thank u but Preaching is everywhere and they all want EVERY1 involved in their book, by pickin God or the Devil, lets give it ago, I am in the book now by choosing the devil lol..Wat do I do now? Borrow his 3 pronged stick to toast marshmellows lol
FB:As long as u have breathe, u have a choice!
Whether u know r not n ur current choice, u r the "marshmellow!"
It's not too late! "His Hand is still stretched out!" (Isaiah)
Link you mention some one being thrown out their home.
For being gay, I think it is a sad situation to be thrown out your home, there are people thrown out because they take a spiritual stand for God .Many families have their own rules and beliefs.
ALL 1 who proclaim "Christianity" can talk about when 1 is being offered Christ is "gay & thrown out of house?" Either u're the sickest "Christian" I've ever met, or trying to dissuade 1 fm Christ=SATAN!
U MUST STAND!
And when you learn somebody will take you serious , you have did nothing hear but attack people I told you before to leave me alone, you still are messing with me. I WARNED YOU.
k&t: Let me WARN U w/WORD!
IF a "true worshiper," u wouldn't make statements as such "For being gay, I think it is a sad situation to be thrown out your home" What? No n btwn! READ Lk 14:26! Would u harbor murder, thief, liar, etc?
Really link to you I will answer, BC, was a typo error, it was BS the word she actually repeated but still fitting is (Bad Christian) that putting it in a nice way. Peace to you and since she can not back up her words of Phophecy Iwill send you list
k&t: Since u cant defeat WORD, u LIE on msgr? "Childish!" U had need to use BS (huh?) which proves BC!
U deny "accurate fulfilled prophecies" in WORD?
Provide me a book JW! Devil's Advocate!
You see that is the problem with the enternet , people can come on and be whoever they want behind a name, a shadowy picture, even the the people who own the site , how do you know . Watch what they say. and truth will be revealed.
k&t: As u have done? I guarantee 1 can't chg WORD!
Yes, "watch" 1 (as they've seen u) make a complete "ignoramus" of 1's self & they will "learn TRUTH!"
GOD is TIRED of "Christians" as u!
Amen! "Get Wet!" Elevate your minds from the "carnal realm" into the "Spiritual realm!"
Try HIM to experience the wonderful POWER of GOD which lies within ALL!
That was very good.
Dwight, I thank you, Bro. Much Love.
Norine, I thank you. Loving thoughts.
And to u Man!
Wow, a gospel according to manatita44! As it was said before by Himself walking in person of Christ, a man only need do take care of his own heart and will " see " proof of God everywhere; "The pure in heart are blessed for they will-be-viewing God."
I agree w/Man that 1 must "get wet!" U?
Yes, the "pure in heart," can U (as GOD) see?
FB for you I do not believe no one should force anything in word or actions against another's will, it is a big turn off.
But I ask you in a kind way please talk without the foul language, I think you can and have got your point across
I hear you.
k&t: As long as he "asks questions," (I Pet 3:15), I'm responding, according to WORD, unlike u!
Now, who do u serve?
Lolita , noticePs 146:4His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish,
Joh 3:13Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man.
All good people before his presence
k&t: U r very "childish" also when it comes to "Spiritual" thgs! "All good people before his presence" is a LIE! "WORKS" ("good ppl") cannot pls GOD! Even some "Atheist" r "good ppl!" Keep commenting, u MIGHT learn something!
How do you think I Found Out THE truth, THE SAME ONE WILL Deal with you.if HP wants to ban me I already have served my purpose. Thanks for all the wonderful people and comments of good people here. I hope you all remember the many good things I share
U don’t want me to answer how u found out UR truth (OK-Satan; Jn 8:44)! “Deal w/me?”See?Satan! Who “threatened” to go to HP? Every man is entitled to his opinion & u’r no exception! We disagree on belief but GOD wants “NO ONE LOST!” W/Syrupy LIES
Thanks for your input Sulabha, I love hearing stories like this. I do believe some of the credit should be given to your father (not Father), but overall I think that your relationship with this "natural justice" is overwhelmingly positive. Kudos/Thx
WOW! Luke, if that's what u needed (one's testimony), I don't have enough room but I can say this Scripture is TRUE! I Chron 16:22 "Touch not my anointed ones, do my prophets no harm!"
I've been called "a witch" based on that Scripture alone!
This is the fallacy of shifting the burden of proof. We do not believe everything until it's proven wrong, that's absurd. You would have to believe in every god ever proposed. The positive claim (that God exists) has the burden of proof.
JM they ALWAYS twist it around. They cannot just think for themselves. It is NOT in their bodies.
Julie McFarland, actually, it cuts both ways. When arguing that God does NOT exist, non-believers have the burden of proof. And on the other hand, when believers argue that God does exist, they have the burden of proof.
I don't argue that gods don't exist or make a positive claim. I don't believe in any gods, which is different than asserting that no gods exist.
Thank you JM. Yes, feenix, asserting that one does not believe in any god does not carry with it any burden. We are not trying to prove there is no god, only saying there is no reason to believe in such a thing. Understand now?
Luke, you wrote, "I am an atheist, which to me only means that I haven't been shown requisite evidence to convince me of an omnipotent, all-knowing deity of any kind." You contradicted yourself, right?
Wrong. Atheism typically simply means the lack of a belief in a god. Gnostic atheism is the assertion that there is no God, which is how you seem to be attempting to define atheism as a whole, but that's simply not the case.
McFarland, I am not attempting to come up with my own definition of atheism, because I have known the actual definition ever since the 1950s. And your "snarkiness" is not cute.
I'm not attempting to be snarky, I'm attempting to explain what atheism is and isn't to someone who would apparently rather strawman it to negate their own burden of proof, but thanks. I'll let you know when I'm trying to be snarky or cute though.
Well, McFarland, I guess you won't be adding me to your Christmas card list ... whoops, I forgot ...
Hey, if the best a theist can do in a discussion is make up and infer things about my manner of speaking that they dislike, their position has already lost. I prefer honest and intelligent conversation.
McFarland, lighten up. Be cool. Please do the same as I have done -- and that is accept the fact that you and I march to different drummers.
Hey, I'm not the one who accused you off snark incorrectly, said it wasn't cute and then tried to tell you what to do. I'm perfectly calm. Just saying that resorting to personal comments negates your ability to defend your position reasonably.
McFarland, I sincerely apologize for accusing you of being snarky. That was uncalled for. And besides, I was born and raised in Hollywood and have been living in New York City for the past 36 years. So, everything is okay with me.
Feenix: I couldn't, for the life of me, find where I contradicted myself. Perhaps you could begin to substantiate your claim? JM is right, I think you're confusing general atheism with gnostic atheism. It is a common mistake. Don't feel bad.
Luke, my saying you contradicted yourself was incorrect. You did not do that. However, I will say one thing -- and that is, I have NO doubt that God exists, even though I cannot prove it. That is what we backwards primitives call Blind Faith.
Thank you for correcting yourself.
Blind faith often sends you walking into walls and off of cliffs, or drinking the poison cool aide.
artblack, what you wrote are NOT examples of Blind Faith. They are examples of stupidity.
Atheists often think that faith is the basis of religion. It is only a byproduct of spiritual experience, which is the basis.
Yes, no one can see him. nor as anyone ever seen him. I consider that as evidence.
LK: "We are not trying to prove there is no god, only saying there is no reason to believe in such a thing." Well provide that book?
FB: I Tim 3:16!
Angele A good doctor would not be effective in his skill , just reading one book, one source of infomation, even college students have many books to dig in to be the best they be in the future.The library I gave you can help, view, compare, script.
What other book does not LIE?
Some people are so "worldly," "carnal," "unspiritual," & evil!
No "in between!" Either man (Satan) or GOD (Spirit)!
My main issue with this approach is the following phrase: "[t]o any reasoning this will sound totally preposterous and it is." This is why I specifically said, "reasonable claims." Reasonable is the key word, and reason the key idea I cannot reject.
Fine, reasonable is the key word which has philosophical connotation not reaching to the spiritual territory where God can be reach only on his terms: the one have to believe that He exists in order to have know him otherwise endless arguments re
Everything else can be evaluated with reason, I honestly do not know why faith is the sole ideal that is immune to the same due diligence. I respect your right to faith, but it is not a justifiable reason for me to adhere to the same belief system.
The same here, " i do not know why faith is the sole ideal..." what I do know is that God made it so, - easier for us humans to reach into His spiritual domain by believing/ receiving and keep hearing what he has to say, so we can live abundantly.
www.google.com > search > text("circular logic")
Thanks for link. Do you want to punish me not to be able change the rules? In this "game" of existence true living God, Creator of the universe we the people follow a "mutual trust" Trust=faith: we trust His word-he entrust us with His work via H S
Ok... but, I asked for a reason. Are you saying there is none? That would have been a much simpler answer to my question, "no."
LK: U r the creation, not the Creator who seeks one to realize HE is GOD & not we ourselves which mean "humbling oneself" (II Chron 7:14), recognizing HIM as GOD, giving up (ego), relying/depending TOTALLY on Him! This is recognition that HE IS
Norine , you do not listen to no one only to criticize, belittle,
And stone people because they do not think like you.
Sad , Where Is Jesus in your character I have not seen it yet.
What ever religion you are they have failed the outcome.
Correct again K&T, now do you see why I have to END up being fouled mouthed and using words like shut up and f..off..people like her constantly preaching turn people away from God, the thing she don't shut up preaching about. That is how blind on
You speak truth here FB, example just because you read how to do brain surgery from a surgery book , does that qualify that person to practice brain surgery on who he wishes, No! People tend to think they know enough to harass
People and judge them.
Preaching/brainwashing is everywhere we go mate. Go 2 the shop centre 2 buy shoes, u see people wiv mics shouting about God, you see TV adverts/billboards sayin God loves u..they teach kids it in school...none of this is naturally learning the spirit
k&t:TRUE! I listen to WORD Matt10:34 HIS character! “Failed?” WORD? U thk?How do u thk they become brain surgeons?Books Ignorant! Gal 3:1! Judge? Ps37:30
FB: Why stay so long? Trying to fill that empty spot? I “see” U! She's devil’s advocateJn10:
Going by your actions Norrine. I am satan according 2 u, and I am nice, ur on God's side and ur extremely deaf and ignorant in your preaching and nasty in ur name calling. I THINK YOU CHOSE THE WRONG SIDE, THE NICE PEOPLE SEEM TO B WITH THE DEVIL lol
Fb, you said some true things, we should not force anything on anyone , the bible one example, but you have made it clear how you feel about the book that's fine,
But do not do what Norine did to you.
Forcing your opinion by repeat.
I am not forcing anything, I am just doing what Norrine is forcing me to do, that is making a choice between satan (who does not exist in my view) and God (who does not exist in my view). I have to choose between two things THAT NORINE believes in
There is some wisdom in that too, but silence can be cruel if not needed, there is a time for everything under the sun. Speaking To Make peace, Telling trutn, Helping others, Up building Others Is What THE mouth.can do.
FB: So u don't believe n GOD r Satan? R u atheist? If so, please furnish ANY BOOK written BEFORE Bible w/as many "Accurate Fulfilled Prophecies," & we may have something to talk about! Who could have KNOWN THESE, but GOD?
The most widely accepted figure for the age of the Universe is around 13.8 Billion Years, not 11. Buddhists are non-theistic, i.e., they do not believe in god. There almost certainly are more advanced civilizations that started before us. Big Bang.
As someone who follows Buddhist practices, I understand that the religion is non-theistic. I was using research on Buddhist meditation to point out that science is beginning to track spiritual experiences.
"...so evidence via the senses is not possible." Then provide a book w/as many accurate prophecies as the Bible? What "man" could have known these prophecies w/o revelation from GOD? Using "your senses," (or logic) does it not PROVE there is a GOD?
Norine you seem to believe you are special person of Jesus,Mt 11:29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am mild-tempered and lowly in heart, and you will find refreshment for yourselves
When you display his qualities of love I will listen
K&T: Read WORD! I have told u x & x again to STUDY the "chronological events" of the NT if so, u will see TRUTH! LOVE? Heb 4:12; Matt 23 to unblvrs! Matt 10:34! Stop looking @ msgr v MESSAGE!
Link she was getting choked up because she was rushing the liquid in her throat and lungs at the same time
Not properly drinking and eating can cause you to choke .
FB:GOD uses "man" to talk to "man" as HE came in the flesh & TRIED to relate to "man,"but "man" got HIM confused when HE used the phrase "Father & Son" & read the ltr & interpreted HIM as saying "father & son" why so many disagree
If God has created messengers like you that are so ignorant to other man, then you have just lost your LOVELY GOD a potential new RECRUIT in his bible selling trade...and christmas product selling trade, read superman tonight it helps me sleep :).
If he is a child which I doubt then you should not be talking and trying to force your religious beliefs on a child not yours
There are laws a about such things , if it were mine we would be facing a court.
That is the right attitude K&T, I am not a kid but in general kids should never be allowed to be exposed to such books, but unfortunately the law makers deem it okay to drum it into kids at school...allowing them to know no different.
k&t: See how "ignorant" u r girl. The MAJORITY of what u say is against WORD! Prov 22:6 says"Train up a child.." & u go to court?
FB: ALL u see is "carnal" ($ making) v "spirit!" U r "a child!"
But why can't it all come from nowhere? Many say it can. I'm asking for a reason, and our inability to comprehend it doesn't suffice. I agree that science is beautiful, and maybe that's enough? I never had a religion, how do I pick the right one? Thx
The work of God is beautiful. Science is the study of the work of God, but it still hasn't crossed over to the soul and philosophical side of things, coz it cannot prove anything. Once you start searching honestly, the right one will become obvious.
@Irfan: this is a distinct possibility. The existence of what we would call a "soul" does little to convince me of an omnipotent creator though. Why does the presence of a soul mandate a creator? I am doing my best to search honestly but fruitlessly
When your Lord said to the angels, “I am going to create man from clay. (71)So, once I make him perfectly and breath My spirit into him, you must fall down in prostration before him.” (72)
The soul contains Gods spirit. He is within.
I recommend the book, The God Theory, by Bernard Haisch. He outlines an interesting, non-dogmatic, non-religious view for the existence of a higher power.
LK: Remember in your "search," what other book has as many "ACCURATE FULFILLED PROPHECIES" as the Bible? If you can't find, remember GOD SAID " Thou shalt have no other gods before me!" (Exd 20:3; Deut 5:7)!
Very good answer , thanks for sharing it
I was thinking about organization, we organize , if you were to drop a tray of forks , spoons and knifes, what is the odds they would fall in order, none. The earth has order, and time. The seasons are timed
nasty things happen everyday to....so congratulate God for the nasty things to instead of passing the buck on to another fictional character called satan.
To add my daughter was just mentioning
How the the lungs work, when we eat, there is actually a flap that closes over the lung valve in time as you swallow food or drink.
That is not made by humans But a higher intelligence We are wonderfully made
Your daughter is very smart. Many scientists, when studying the human body, realize the "intelligence" behind the design of the various organs and how they work together seemlessly. Look up NP complete problems and you will realize that life is rare.
Kiss, if that flap was made by a higher intelligence, wouldn't that mean it should never fail and people should never choke to death while eating?
Link the flap can fail if you misuse the process, that is exactly how me and my Daughter got on this subject Link, she was saying she was just pour her drink down her throat, sometime
Just to do it, but she was noticing she was getting choked up.
Except there are times when I am eating, just as normally as all the other times, and I begin 2 choke a bit.
A feature intelligently designed to keep you from dying as you eat shouldnt randomly fail like that. Separate holes would have made sense.
Link we were suppose to live forever, but what happen was I gave example earlier like a car that is in good operation, some one steals parts, say alternator, can the car still run yes!
It can run on the battery so long but draining rapidly of power.
Except nothing was stolen. Adam and Eve were given knowledge from the tree and were then cursed by God were they not?
Good night guys! Matt 15:14!
Norine every time you open your mouth you degrade youself , and public shame , it is you who have come on hp, calling people names , fools, ignort, satan, devils demons, nobody but you, and cussed under the name of religion.
k&t: I give WORD! Fool (Gal 3:1); Ignorant (IThess 4:13); satan (Eph 6:13-17) devils (Matt25:41) demons (Mk3:11; same as devil). I USE WORD! U LIE I CUSSED! You'll try ANYTHING=DEMON! See how far a cult member will go? DEMONIZED=Don't care@WORD
Or are both of you the New Jerry springer versions of building HP to bullying, mouth trashing, attacking hub writers because you want to. If this is what you are about , I did not come here for that. you two are disgrace with your language .
K & T don't turn it around to be me, look through the comments where being preached to was asked nicely not to be done, where did that get me? Nowhere because of IGNORANT BELIEVERS thinking spreading bullshit is normal. See they cause thrash 2b s
FB: Either 1 blvs or not, no n between-"Teach;"Matt 28:19! If they dont "suffer for Christ," Rm8:17 just thk JESUS is syrupy sweet as was taught (Matt10:34) they r not a true blvr as exemplified by K&T! Gen 50:20 "God meant if or good!" No Proble
Ok fair enough tell God to punish you for forcing me to make a choice and handing myself over to satan if that makes u happy,now what you going to do call me names like demented, say I have demons etc because I want to choose satan thanks to you.lol
GOD give me rt words to say! Yes, I MUST obey! Either 1 for GOD or Satan. No 1 wants to choose Satan for we all know we are creations who will eventually be reconciled to our Creator!My job to “teach,” your job to “choose!” Consequences!
Ok, you have taught and failed in this case then. My job is to choose, I choose satan because I want to avoid people like you. Now r u going to accept that and shut up, or continue trying to brainwash me....lol
In general there is nothing wrong with the ideas in the bible. The problem is who have tampered and replace words
That make it bias to another thought then Gods.
Also people should not use it as a weapon to brow beat people. To feed ego.
FB: STOP asking "questions" so I want have to "answer" (I Pet 3:15)! I do WORD! Must be "interested?"
k&t: U go so against WORD, u're sickening ("Ignorant)! "Replaced" like JW cult? Need HS!
If u would take ur advice ("ignore my posts"), but "P
Norine I already sent Link his infomation. So your statemen
Does not apply.
k&t: See how "indecent & out of order" u r (I Cor 14:40)? U cont to TRY & prove UR correctness but display "ignorance" of WORD! Why would one (n their rt mind) listen to you? Provide me a book k&t! IF u had 1, u KNOW u would just 2 p
Val:"I would say that quantum physicists and mathematicians are the only ones on the planet with some chance to come closer to a so-so concept of That Something" (Prov 3:5)!
"..ultimately mean nothing?"1 can BLV so much until ACTION is manifested!
Norine, you should gracefully remove yourself from this and alike threads because, as always, you are not making any sense to anybody. You are even confusing yourself with parrot-like quoting from the Bible. Can't you see it's not effective?
Is everyone a parrot to you lol
Those that preach books like norrine, those that go against them like me....
The only parrott here is you it seems repeating that parrott word
F.N. - All tight, have it your way, so I am a parrot pointing at other parrots. Happier now?
FB: I love U FB!
You are as I, TIRED of LYING PEOPLE whose ulterior motive is usually $!
I "especially" hate those who do so using the name of the LORD in vain to accomplish!
GOD is TIRED & they WILL NOT win!
Your a parrot, that makes people like me a parrot by sitting on your ass going yes sir yes sir...you treat me how you want instead of doing something about it.....then hypocritically probably moans about things
F.N. - I give up. You win, you and Norine are better human beings than I could ever dream of becoming. You are saviors, I am just a happy sinner. Good bye, and good luck with saving this poor world.
VaL: The Holy Spirit has told me to "Plant the seed (WORD), but HE gives the increase" (I Cor 3:6)!
Just doing my job!
But shouldn't some credit be given to the altruistically supportive individuals that comprise that group? We are so hesitant to think we are capable of helping ourselves and others. I think the human species is more powerful than we give it credit.
Luke M. Simmons, and from where do you suppose that the human species derives their power? Are they powerful just because they are, or just because that is the way that things came to be -- from out of nowhere?
Where does Jesus say it all comes from...WITHIN. What is FAITH...not religion...trust in ONESELF. Nobody can give anyone that.
AMEN just celebrated 19 Years
DEB: Not in "ONESELF," but GOD! When GOD breathed HIS Spirit into Adam (man), we became "in the image of GOD!" That spirit has infinite capabilities, depending on 1's "Level of FAITH" in HIS WORD!
This is a Spiritual journey (Jn 4:24), not "SELF!"
FBN, or does that make your coach and team players evil because you decided not to play football by the coaches order or playbook, is football fiction,no,
Neither is the word of God, neither is he evil because people do not want to listen to him.
k&t: YOU'RE SICK (The Devil's Advocate)! U MUST stand before the judgment seat of Christ & GOD will remember U so be VERY careful w/ur "sneaky, manipulative, lying" ways!
Haven't u been PROVEN under Q "Why r Christians Afraid to Follow Jesu
But I do know why you are acting as though nothing can happen. I do not control what HP can do . But I can control what I can do.
So K&T what you are saying is that FREEDOM of speech that you probably shout your great country has can in fact only be used by those that say they RIGHT THINGS? - Well in that case tell preachers to FUCK OFF preaching MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH BEING
FB: It appears! WORD is only RIGHT THING! GOD "exists" for who else could've known these prophecies yrs n adv but GOD? Admit it! Cont "searching" & if lucky, n 10 yrs, u MIGHT recall some of these comments fm Bible!
Jesus allows me to help people learn the truth , you are working against it trying to attack me for your personal ego.
What can a person learn from your wrath, hatred, name calling, nothing but to avoid you. You let people see the real you everyday.
“Jesus allows you” to “choose” & u have chosen! With friends like u, HE doesn’t need “enemies!” Half truths r LIES! WORD given! Ignorant, fool, & others used r fm WORD! STUDY! U don’t help anyone but Satan! U've ---- ("Chosen")!
Is your unbelief of other gods therefore proof of their existence as well?
I only believe in God, the creator of all things including you. God made man, but man made gods. Belief and unbelief of gods is not an issue to the one who knows God, because it does not bring glory to him.
So the answer is no, you're just using the fallacy of special pleading that only somehow makes your argument valid for YOUR God. That's not a logical argument.
Your logic and mind cannot contain God. How can you see the proof if you blind himself for him. If you need concrete proof to satisfy your unbelief. Look at yourself, that's a best proof of God's existence.
If human logic and the human mind cannot comprehend the good who supposedly created it, that's on god not on me. How am I proof of your gods existence other than your assertion (without evidence) that I am?
technically ponce said "you" cannot comprehend God, not humans. From that I take it meant those who choose not to believe
Why is it,when someone can't comprehend himself as he is , the same would begin stigmatize others for their belief in existence of the God Creator." If there were no the God, there would be no atheists."
We still can live as 'good neighbors' side by
When religion speaks the truth of where and who God is then we all can live in peace. Right now they teach lies and they prejudge people and put punishments on those who do not believe as they do, which are lies.
Debra, isn't that kind of what you are doing?
Not at all Biz.
Lies, lies, lies, galore!
Yes I agree that asserting that a person themselves is evidence for a super invisible being without any actual evidence and using fallacious logic could be considered a lie, but an unintentional one. So much for the insistence of respect, though.
JM some people are just too stupid to give up. Good things that I KNOW how to ignore them now and I got their number as in an IP address that I can report to the police if and when it is needed.
Debra Allen: Um, yeah... about that respect thing...
Romans 1:25 "Who exchanged the TRUTH of GOD for a LIE, and worshiped & served the creature (self) more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen."
DinoMommy: I think it's time u "grew up" & move from the "carnal" realm to a MUCH HIGHER realm - "Spiritual!"
The Supernatural experience FAR EXCEEDS the "carnal" & shows much more maturity!
Again Jesus said no man had been to heaven, but he who came from heaven. Joh 3:13Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man.
Now you say Jesus lie. Stop it!
k&t:If your belief is as "twisted" as ur ability to comment in order on Q’s being asked, I see why u r confused! Why in the world would u jump under comments having to do w/"Supernatural experiences" & comment on "man having been n heaven?" S
That would make you an agnostic atheist. Welcome.
Interesting answer , but we will never have all the answers in our life time as now, but we can answer and invite into the future to learn many things not available now. Jesus paid for our ticket to enter.
Joh 17:3 This means everlasting life,
Shelley: Then provide a book w/more accurate fulfilled prophecies than the Bible? What man could have know of these prophecies unless revealed to him by GOD and were prophesied years ago? Who but GOD?
Norine can you hear Jesus saying provide a book, No ! Besides all people who do believe in Jesus and what he has done for us, do not have the same abilities to read a book , it is unloving to assume everyone reasons and can read as you from a book.
K&T: If u were not so "ignorant" of HIS WORD, you would know that HE SAID in Jer 31:33; Heb 8:10:10:16 that HE would "..put his laws in our hearts & minds" under NC! Therefore, YES, I HEARD HIM SAY ASK unbelievers to provide a bk with more a
Link the human life span has been on it own battery power
disconnected from the Fathers eternal power to keep living as he does,but a lifeline was given as a backup.it was paid for, we now have the possibility to live longer then Adam who lived 930
k&t: ONLY if 1 learns to "Walk in the Spirit" & not mind the thgs of the flesh" (Galatians 5:16)!
Do u r is that "personal vendetta" (PV) eating u alive?
That is an excellent point. If you are so dissatisfied with this world that you have to fabricate a second one, why would you not reallocate some of that energy to bettering your current reality? Acknowledging climate change would be a good start.
But do you disagree that this world IS crap? A true believer in the life-giving power of Jesus does not, however, leave it at that. We are to be instruments of love and grace during our time here. Believing the world is crap doesn't equal passivity.
WOW! Beginning to exp BENEFITS available to u via BELIEF in HIS WORD, is the ONLY way u will shown "your opinion" of "the GOD Fantasy" is UNTRUE!
"Study" (II Tim 2:15)!
YES! It available to ALL - "TAKE IT" (Joshua 24:15) - "CHOOSE!"
Also FBN, example of wars , come from humans starting fights, like children they disagree and fight, God Almighty has nothing to do with the creation of thier arguments . It is an injustice to blame the one source or person, blame man , they create
""...like children..?" Tell that to Apostles Peter & Paul who had disagreements! Fool! Read Scripture instead of trying to undermine me vs what's WRITTEN!
Link I know your stand or opinion of the subject we have talked before, I can say you have always been respectful and under control with your comments, thank you for speaking the truth of what has been said You are appreciated.
More PROOF: "Birds of a feather flock together" (Ps 119:63)!
Not of GOD, then who? Satan! Covered in syrupy sweet LIES!
What are you on?
Norine was you on something when you said similar words?
Leave your hatred, and people alone. she has said nothing to you personally but now you are trying to attack her.
k&t:Satan-She sounds prejudice!
I give WORD! Do u see WORD or do u do as u've always done "Listen to "man!"
Where do u "Worship in Spirit & in Truth" (WORD)? I see NOTHING but hot air & "twisted doctrine" (JW)!
Are you Jealous of her work, you can not say nothing positive of her success as a thousand views , but now you want to attack her with words you youself have said.
You know you really are the baddest experience I ever seen here, Shame.
k&t: See how "ignorant" u r? "Dreamed He said that there are really three Gods?" That's Trinity that defies even ur "twisted" belief!
What r both of u on?
IF BOTH OF U defy WORD, BOTH r "Ignorant!"
I Cor 12=READ!
k&t: U'd agree w/Satan himself as long as u thk u degrade me who gives WORD so u degrade GOD (Blasphemy)! Therefore, I know there is "no Christ dwelling in U!"
Read the book of Hebrews(not written by Paul) in the New Testament KJV. The intro( not in every bible) Many Jewish believers in Christ want to reverse their course to avoid persecution... Hebrews tells them etc.... (Read the book of James also)
My view is we should as a human race stop reading books altogether and if spirits NATURALLY are real they will touch people, such people should keep their love life private instead of screaming in people's faces about it because it causes trouble
Angele as a reader of the bible period you will find the differences in translations, did you Know KJV removed YHWH God's personal name. In Tetragrammaton.
Its like taking your book, rewriting parts, and taking your name out Angele trade with woman
Angele Parris speaks at her level of understanding/knowing. What's wrong with it? So does everyone in this lengthy controversial discussion. One thing for sure vast majority of comments shows how people would appear to be smarter keeping mouth shut.
Which people Michael should keep their mouths shut do you mean? Do you mean those that keep preaching about God, or those with views against God?
So Angele to compare bibles that stick to the form of Hebrew and Greek meanings and still translate in our Language today
You can go to the site where you will see more then one bible
You can look at them the same time , compare.
FN I am not calling names or pointing finger. Everyone has to use discernment of own ability to speak intelligibly, as to encourage intellectual or spiritual improvement. " Who cares ?" HP is for fun and entertainment making friends not enemies.
k&t: Did Scripture not say "Lean not to ur OWN UNDERSTANDING" (Prov 3:5)? Then why don't u allow Holy Spirit do HIS JOB (Jn 14:26;16:13)? Otherwise, Satan!
MM: If HP has a "religion & philosophy" section, under "Religion," don't u thk WORD s
Am I misunderstanding the term "omniscient?"
...god doesn't know what its like to have multiple orgasms.............
Joe: This is a Spiritual journey & thgs not addressed in WORD (Rm 15:18), leave alone!
Luke: U have it RIGHT! HE KNOWS ALL! Joe should have used WORD (Heb 4:15-16) rather than that obnoxious illustration!
How do you know god doesn't look like Moses? I believe this to be an artist's rendering... not an actual picture... after all.
"I, John (The Revelator) saw..." (Rev 1:14-15) "His head & his hair were white like wool, as white as snow; & his eyes were like a flame of fire; & his ft like fine bronze as if they burned in a furnace; & his voice like the sound of
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bdn that is so wonderful how you looked into this subject !
I am currently working on a hub now about the book of Revelations ,and what John in visioned and why , what does that mean for us today. WOW! I am impressed that we are on this subject.
The world is absolutely not dominated by logic. If it were, we would idealize Neil deGrasse Tyson, not Kim Kardassinmyface. We cannot deduce absence of god, but similarly cannot deduce its presence. FYI: Deduce: to arrive at by logical conclusion.
How will we begin to prove or disprove something that we dont understand? I feel we should answer what is god before we could talk about its existence .
PROVEN: No other bk w/as many accurate prophecies, so GOD is REAL! Therefore, we MUST go BEYOND "carnal" into "Spiritual" realm (Jn 4:24)!
"What is GOD?"(Jn 4:24) "GOD is a SPIRIT!" Elevate your minds! Move into the Spiritual (Supernatural) realm!
Taopi: Can u provide a book that has as many fulfilled prophecies as the Bible? What MAN would have know this, thousands of yrs prior to?
The Rothschild Book....unpublished one
Do you have a book saying that the bible book is thousands of years old other than the bible itself?
Norine, the Gilgamesh Epic from ancient Sumeria pre-dates the book of Genesis by over a thousand years. The Dead Sea scrolls were written by the Essenes, a Jewish sect not even mentioned in the NT. Many things exist beyond your scope of things.
Tap: I wish u knew "not mentioned" will be "revealed" by the Holy Spirit,
IF Christ dwells n u, "leading & guiding" (u) into ALL truth" (Jn 14:26; 16:13)!
THANK YOU JESUS!
Now, provide that book?
I believe FootballNut already did. Good evening, Norine.
Where is that book with more "ACCURATE FULFILLED PROPHECIES" than Bible?
Or did u guys not understand my question?
Yes, we understood, but you don't accept the answer.
Religion is just a massive industry, they teach it in school or college, anything taught in school is an INDUSTRY.
True "I didn't get answer!" I want book w/more accurate prophecies written before BIBLE? Did u provide?
I will answer you this way, Norine: No, I cannot provide you with a book of texts filled with more consistent oxymora than the Old and New Testaments. I'll leave those variables to you.
Father Christmas is real, billions is spent to celebrate jesus's supposed birthday,plus churches make money, sounds like an industry to me.
It's always been an industry, from indulgences to war mongering to political power plays to televangelism to car bumper stickers to what would Jesus do. By its very nature, organized religion is an institution and a very prosperous industry, indeed.
Taop: U can call it "sharp foolishness," but GOD told me to ask u! Since u blv HIS WORD is "foolishness," I Cor 2:14 applies!
Since u can't provide book, only GOD could have known these prophecies beforehand=THERE IS A GOD!
I provided you with the Assyrian prophecy reference on another thread. And God didn't ask you to ask me anything. I called nothing "sharp foolishness." You lied. Go & repent. Sell your mad bonnets elsewhere. I'm through with this nonsense.
Taop: "The word is said to come from the Greek elements, oxy- = “sharp, pointed” and moros, moron = “dull, foolish”; in other words, “pointedly foolish” (wordexploration.com).
U do blv there's a GOD but ppl "twisted?" I concur!
HS got it!
Norinne you go on and on about this book, give us proof it was God's words and not some authors words that has made billions out of religion.
FB: My point exactly! It was "an author" (MAN, which GOD uses to speak through, even today) to reveal future prophecies! What MAN could've have known these thgs with HELP fm HOLY SPIRIT (aka GOD)?
Again, GOD told me 2 ask unblvrs this!
If someone writes a book and people live in accordance to that book then such things are obviously going to happen, lets do a test and stop living in accordance to that book/live our own lives, what you will find then is that book would be inaccurate
FB: GOD has ALWAYS used MAN as HIS hands & feet! Moses, Abraham, (OT) Paul (a chosen vessel;Acts 9:15;NT), etc.
HE chooses those w/"a pure heart" to relay HIS WORD by "putting his laws n their hearts & minds" (Heb 8:10;10:16) to deliver HIS
Did he ever consider people do not want to listen to people preaching about him because they want to make their own paths in life instead of living how he says it should be lived (wars). I believe God is real and he is horrible...I'm a believer see
FB: It is a TRUE Worshipers (Jn 4:24) belief that we are to do as commanded "Teach ALL nations," (Matt 28:19) & it's up to the individual to "Choose" (Josh 24:15) whom they will serve." STUDY! You're entitled to ur "formed opinion!" "Horrible?
FBN. You are correct in some of your replies, but we are living our lives with out his interference, people are doing as they wish, without a thunderbolt from heaven ? what we see now in the world is the results of human choices gone terribly wrong
Humans are to blame for choices that go wrong, why the hell are they not to blame for things that go good then? It seems that God bloke only wants to appear as if he is the reason for good choices humans make..and not the bad ones, the blokes a joke
Ah ha! The denial forces the mad hatter to look up the Greek! I knew it would. Here's another: Oxymora, Latin: 'a figure of speech that juxtaposes elements that appear to be contradictory.' The sharp foolishness of absurd contradictions. Oui!
FN: U deserve "advice" fm Kiss & Tales. Maybe u will believe "twisted" truth!
How do you know it is not you that deserves the truth? Just because you believe in it, it does not mean it is the truth. God created hatred and kindness if he is true but believers only credit him the kind things, WHY?
FN: Since I KNOW there is a GOD, I BELIEVE HIS WORD – IT IS WRITTEN! Give another book w/accurate prophecies? What believers “credit him the kind thgs?” Those “twisted?” Read Matt 10:34! Sounds like “kindness?”
That is all you say "give another book that is accurate", none of the books are accurate, the bible mentions wars/leads us to them, if people follow the bible that means they follow evil/wars....it's fiction so the rich get richer
FB: I agree MOST have taken HIS WORD for "economical gain/game;" but BENEFITS fm BELIEF in HIS WORD r more plentiful than & far exceeds!When WORD says "HE will lead & guide us into ALL truth," that's precisely what HE will do & has done i
Lolita if no man good person had been to heaven as Jesus stated, then it is clear , the soul is the person sleeping in death. Good people who lived before Jesus , Abel, Enoch, Moses, Abraham, Sarah, Job, Noah, , he said no one had been there .
k&t: AGAIN, U LIE ON WORD! "Good people who lived BEFORE Jesus , Abel, Enoch, Moses, Abraham.." Did WORD not say (Jn 8:58) BEFORE Abraham was, I AM?" Rev 22:13 (n red) "I am Alpha & Omega, the beginning & the end.." See that "twisted"JW
Norine Jesus earthly name did not exist until his birth, So just because you can not understand my comment does not mean it is wrong, quit looking for my errors and clean up your own.
k&t: If JESUS SAID "Before Abraham was, I AM" & "I AM Alpha & Omega, the beginning & the end..." WHO R U?
U & that "twisted" JW belief is of Satan!
THAT SAME "ONE SPIRIT" has & will ALWAYS EXIST I Cor 12)!
Norine you quoted without scripture , your words have no value as many before. If I am wrong Jehovah is the Judge and Jesus will back him up.
My Intent is to help people learn the truth , yours is to find error and distroy, Jesus allows.
We are living in heaven now, we have all the materials we need right here on earth, if we lose money the materials will still exist so will skillful people...however greedy faiths won't drop money so they are creating heaven we live in to be hell....
k&t: O! Forgot who I was talking to (Ms JW “ignorant” of WORD)! Jn 8:58 & Rev 22:13! STUDY & u’ll KNOW! “Jehovah & Jesus” (1 less than trinity)? Did u not read I Cor 12 or is WORD against ur belief?
FB: Why just “greedy faiths?”GREED
Because they are seeking control off every piece of land in order to build businesses from their country on to expand their empires...along with taking national banks of such countries and controlling people through money.....
F: TRUE! U "miss the point" AGAIN! U thk "carnally" when this is a "Spiritual" journey! Why concern urself w/the "least thg" that matters in the Kingdom of GOD ($)? What I'm trying to get u to see Holy Spirit will warn u BEFORE! Jn 14:26=TRUE!
You mean they brainwashed themselves into thinking a SPIRIT can be felt via studying? My understanding is a spirit is a feeling, not a school class...just saying.
FB: Yes, a "spirit" is a feeling (sometimes demonic), but THE SPIRIT is ALIVE & can ONLY BE ACQUIRED thru WORD! Why I give! MAYBE (n 10 yrs) you'll remember some of these comments (WORD)!
I like your many thoughtful questions, rakim. To expand on what you're saying here, the mere existence of intelligent beings is all the evidence needed to prove there must be an intelligent designer of some sort. Maybe there's 6.8 billion of them ;-)
Josh: "Maybe there's 6.8 billion of them ;-)" Isaiah 43:10-11 "..understand that I AM he; before me there was no GOD formed, neither shall there be after me." I, even I, AM the LORD, & beside me there is no savior."
Rev1:8 (n red)"..I AM Alpha &a
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Materialistic, intellectual individuals w/dynamic ego & pride TRULY explains "UNBELIEVERS" which is VERY "immature!" (Prov 3:5;IJn2:16)!
"BELIEVERS" r "Spiritual" who have "humbled themselves" to the CREATOR for "reconciliation!"
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May I ask you why don't you believe Jesus was the Messiah ? By now it would be to late for a Messiah to appear now , it would not line up with time line of arrival from the old testement.
Fantastic answer. It is much easier to discredit a specific omnipotent being than your theory of interconnection. I think even some leading physicists would agree to the possibility of some kind of energetic oneness in some unknown realm/dimension.
a great answer jane.
“I have lived on the lip of insanity,
wanting to know reasons, knocking on a door.
I've been knocking from the inside.”
You want God; dive deep into your heart.
You mean John Lennon the Satanist? He believed in Satan. Ipso facto, he believed in God... just chose poorly. Extremely, with eternal consequences, poorly.
Thing is, Satanists lie.
Lennon was hardly a satanist, he did dive into hinduism, whether or not he was full hindu in his life I dont know.
I'm wondering if there's a whole separate internet people are getting their information from. Am I not working with a complete set of information? What is it... http://god.[domain].god? How do I not know about this?
Does perfection exist? (Other than in the circle and in words like "round")
Quantum mechanics means that there's always some random fluctuation occurring somewhere, so in the physical realm it seems like no, there's no such thing as perfection. Even the most carefully constructed thing has some imperfect deviation.
"..in the physical realm it seems like (It is) no, there's no such thing as perfection," but in the Spiritual realm Matt 5:48 JESUS SAID "Be perfect!" How? Believing, having FAITH in His Word & Walking in the Spirit (24/7) as in Gal 5:16-17!
FBN, you are fictional to me at this point do not write me, you do not believe in what who writes the bible , why should I believe what you write here. I know of you less.
God told me to write to you, he has chose me to pass on the message that his book is not going to plan so I need to get people to stop following that path else disaster will arise..LOLS see how pathetic that sounds, that is what believers sound like
FB: Everyone has an "opinion!" U are also entitled to yours!
Yes your right. And unfortunately I have to share mine because of the way you preach to people and treat people as if they never heard of the God thing, and treat them as if they're not capable of choosing if it is fiction or not.
FB: If you have chosen & not of GOD, continue "searching" to fill that "empty spot" but, again, NOTHING will fill but GOD! I know! I did the same thing!
MM , I like that example, I certainly learn something about FBN, just talking not judging ,I know what he dislikes so I do not want to offend him, rather he believes In God or not
Me as a believer can not say who will be in the end, we all are gifts
K&T what I do not get though is I HAVE NO EMPTY SPOT but Norrine is tryin 2 make me believe I have 1 2 fill it with her believes, there is nothing to fill, I am content with life without a faith, she is creating this EMPTY SPOT so the book rings
k&t: "just talking not judging ,I know what he dislikes so I do not want to offend him, rather he believes In God or not. ALL AGAINST WORD! Ps 37:30=JUDGE! Did JESUS not "offend" when unblvrs (Matt 21:12-13)! Why u diff if blvr?
I have not, nor at the time of this writing has anyone in this forum, claimed proof of no god. All I asked for was proof of one. It is somewhat possible that something we could potentially name "god" created the Big Bang... we might never know.
Go watch the doc about the Hadron Collider. One very atheistic scientist says something to the effect "if we discover x, then someone very caring is guiding every detail of the universe." An inconclusive but fascinating and eye-opening documentary.
LK: I wish someone/anyone would provide me with that book! Who else could have prophesied this through man but GOD thousands of years prior to fulfillment?
@artblack1: very good answer, and not just because it matches my sentiment exactly. Thank you very much for you input.
Oh my! there isn't such thing as a "christian God" or that a group of religionists have authority to prove existence of the Creator of the universe -God of all creation .In His absolute greatness he has set rules ( how) to "find'' and to know Him.
artblk: Then provide a book w/as many accurate prophecies that have been fulfilled other than the Bible? What man could have done this w/o revelation fm GOD? Use ur "reasoning & logic!" What man could have prophesied these thgs yrs before w/o GOD
Who can dispute this! Rev 1:8 "...THE ALMIGHTY!"
Amen! Matt 16:4 "...A wicked & adulterous generation seeketh AFTER A SIGN; & there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet, Jonah.."
Remember Jonah? Did his own thing & what happened? Swallowed up!
Cur: Yes, "There is a supreme power (GOD) which is leading us and asking us to awaken and realize our full potential."
IT IS WRITTEN!
"COME!" (Rev 22:17)!
But we aren't just looking at single "pixels," we are looking at statistically robust data sets. This is where your analogy fails. I think small sample sizes are more often offered at positive proof than negative.
Gee Snowman, I have never heard that analogy about pixels before, and I like it. It makes perfect sense.!
Luke: You're "looking" fm a "carnal" point of view & this is not a "carnal" journey! U MUST go BEYOND the physical realm & into the Spiritual realm to begin to understand (Jn 4:24)! "Statistically robust data sets"="carnal!"
I can relate to the spirituality within one's self. Tap into it because it is an energy source.
Have you ever touched an antenna and the TV reception was clear? That spiritual power possesses electrical and cosmic power.
People are kept in the dark so they would not realize the power that is within them. They are God and they have that pwoer to create with thoughts, but they won't hear of it and I am lying.. Dumbing Down for alterior motives that aren't good.
With all due respect, people are not God, or whatever your "they" stands for...
With all due respect that is what the church wants you to beleive because if you knew what you can really do, you would not need to go to church anymore. I stand by the words Of Jesus on this one and all can argue with me till the cows come home.
@JRF: The TV antenna thing actually works with tin foil too. It just makes the signal stronger because the increased surface area picks up more EM radiation.
@everyone: this is supposed to be a call for answers, not a forum to argue about nuances.
My apology Luke M. Simmons for ' honest mistake ' responding in a form of argument, but my nature has just jump up against a false statement.
Michael, prove it false. Prove what Kuke states is false. PROOF is on you.
"" Luke M.Simmons @ everyone: this is supposed to be a call for answer, not a forum yo argue about nuances.""
Lady Guinevere is right. Everyone is an expression of the 'monad', the divine spark. You can become God.
I will note though, as I have said before, that the burden of proof is on those claiming something. @Michael: no worries: it is a natural inclination. I have failed to hold myself back in a few instances as well.
@Michael, I asked a question of you for your proof, not an argument. You make it an argument, just like all the others around here. Where is YOUR proof and that is also what Luke asked and you cannot answer.
@LG: Three thumbs up.
Debra Allen thanks for judging me saying " You make it an argument..." Not at all, it isn't my nature to argue , the least with a lady. Do you know what you asking me to PROVE " What Kuke states is false"-- can you explain what are you talking abou
@ Luke M. Simons, thanks for your kind words and classy lesson of communication - rightly. I could not understand who Luke asked proof after I already came to the end of "reasonable explanation while there is none...
Michael, aren't you just funny...NOT. That is all you keep doing you that judge right off the bat and start the arguements...then you come back and twist it to what you want to think and it is not even close to what happened. You did start it first
"the burden of proof is on those claiming something". I suggest to read the book first. All the prove is there and it's mathematical, but not the false experimental materialistic one. I can provide you the whole series (21 books), only if you want.
@BR: yes, I would like that. Thank you.
Debra Allen, you said Kuke instead Luke and for all your dealings now you want to blame me. OK go ahead blame me as much as you want for anything you want nothing will affect me at all.
Michael, that was a typo. I do not blame you at all. What is your problem? All you do is twist, twist and you can not answer the questioned ask. U skirt all around it and make lots os smoke. PROVE my Answer is false!
@Luke, I will send you a link to your e-mail. It will have to pass the HP verification. Read the books in the order 1 to 21, so don't mess this up :) Have fun!
Just for the record, pointing out a typo does not validate an argument any more than the thpo itself invalidates another argument, which is not at all.
Agreed. Nor does pointing out a minor factual error invalidate an entire argument.
DEBRA IS RIGHT!
If we BELIEVE & have a LEVEL OF FAITH that EXCEEDS, Jn 14:12 says (n red) "...He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; & GREATER WORKS THAN THESE SHALL HE DO..."
Explain that if Debra isn't RIGHT!
orrr... the dinner could have naturally come into being through normal biological processes, i.e. apples growing, etc. Are you saying the dinner "looks" prepared? That is the teleological argument. You could have just said that.
Well, wouldn't I be at your house? I'd be able to see the chef and speak with him. That's pretty solid evidence.
Amen Dino Mommy! GOT HIM with "carnal" (it seems only thing he understands) example!
FBN, if you deny the coaches authority you are not a team player, but a rebel against your team and coach, you have taken action against both, are they fiction, because you have said I do not see the need to play football according to the book.
K&T Couldn't have said it better for u r a "rebel against" the WORD of GOD" & r not "playing" anything but the "devil's advocate" or u r the most "twisted" in ur belief of JW doctrine I've ever seen!
The bible is basically a book of instructions, if you follow them instructions like christian countries do look where it leads us..GREED and WAR.what is twisted about the blatant truth?.I don't believe in Satan either, sounds like good cop bad cop
FB: Can u not hear? This is NOT RELIGION nor "Christianity" as defined by the world! I agree, the world is SICK in their belief! This is about the "Good News" of "The Gospel of Christ" which is something MOST "Christians" have NEVER heard of!
Have a day off. What you mean is they have CHANGED the book AGAIN and called it something else because they want people to start following a different path that will make them even richer?....all religious books are instructions that make someon rich
Stop LYING on me! Do I get $? No day off! Good News MUST be spread to ALL nations (even UK)! No gain here! Beat u NEVER heard of that one? NEITHER has the world! Have a good nite & read Phil 4:6-9!
Good nite BRO! Remember PEACE!
KISS AND TALES WHAT YOU ON ABOUT, I said no I would not go against him, meaning I would listen because the coach is LIVING BEING - God is not....your attempt to compare a LIVE person with a fictional character (god) is a poor one
FB: Keep listening to that "twisted" woman! Not spiritual at all! Therefore, half truth=Satan too!
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FN: Because if 1 BELIEVES His Word, He KNOWS that the Holy Spirit gives us the "gift of discernment" which HELPS identify "Satan dressed up" for HS "lead & guides us into ALL TRUTH" (Jn 14:26; 16:13)!
No one or thing can't "trick" Holy Spirit!
That is my point Norine. People believe in all the good stuff, but how do you know Satan is not behind the trickery and leading you down a false path? You can not say it HELPS identify, as you do not know if the identity you believe is God is Satan
FN: If we've "WAITED" (Acts 1:4) for HIS guidance, we "KNOW!"
Why did I hear Someone screaming my name (2AM) thinking IT was my husband (2x's) asking me to write on HP, "A life w/o courage & conviction, is a life w/o NOTHING!"
Where r u?
A life with conviction could end up with an eternity without nothing.
I believe in myself that is a life full of conviction. How can a edited book that rich people sell be something to guide my life by?
FN: Well, if that's all U consider the Bible to be, "Provide another book, written before Bible, with as many accurate & fulfilled prophecies;" then we will have something to discuss?
If a rich group write a book and people believe in it and live their lives in accordance to it. Them rich people will make the things in that book happen, not god. They make you believe your free in my view, but are you?
FBN, the book example is interesting, but would you say that the books Doctors use in being skillful surgeons or just General practice is worthless,
I do not believe so ,the bible is a much more valuble book that will save countless of lives.
FB: Freer than U!
Provide that book?
Your not freer than me. We are all in the same boat we are not free. Everything we do is Governed, if we don't do as our told we get fined, put imprison or have our stuff took off of us!! Is that what christian countries like ours call being free?
FbN I find your statement offensive, because not seeing something does not mean you are crazy. I never seen a Callicebus caquetensis , but does it exist yes, there was a time this was not discovered , so someone who saw it first said he did.
FB: I am FREE! I may be "in the world, but I am not part of the world" (I Jn 2:15;2Cor 3:17)! Ex: Driving fm Houston, GOD told me to "Get home fast;" speed limit 75mph;drove 80-90mph;passed 2 Troopers; didn't move! Who but GOD? BENEFITS! Try HIM!
FBN, example , let's use sports to understand, You have a team coach, say in foot ball you have strategy and use a play book, the coach gives you the rules to play the game, are you to deny the coaches authority and play book to do it your way ?
"Ignorant!" Do it "your own way," & see what happens (Gal 1:6-9)!
lol...why is anyone that goes against a book classed as IGNORANT....it is you lot that believe that keep throwing GOD crap in our faces and IGNORING the stop preaching demands = ignorant. Kiss, no I wouldn't because a football coach is a living being
It's not the book, but the POWER 1 exp fm believing & having FAITH in THE BOOK! That's blvrs PROOF! Now produce book w/more accurate prophecies?
No answer the question please darling. I WANT to listen to you, please can you tell me who publishes the bible, and also tell me who publishes the Qu'ran? You will probably find they are connected companies....good cop bad cop...is the bigger picture
FB, the bible is comprised of the scrolls of Hebrew and Greek scripts,
Later catalog into the bible but translations have been by many , King James of the 1600's have written is version of Hebrew and Greek.
So example we write here , who publish
yes scripts, are you serious?....TV programs use scripts, they change the script all the time..anyway the question was please find out who publishes each religious book and who is mega rich through playing fictional characters off against each other
I have given "EVIDENCE" that THE CREATOR exists via the Bible being the only book w/the most "ACCURATE FULFILLED PROPHECIES" & the ONLY way they were known was via THE CREATOR (GOD)! Now if 1 wants to blv HE is not the CREATOR, OH WELL!
A prophecy is a prediction. A prediction is a guess. A guess can be vague or specific
To consider the legitimacy of the bible, ALL prophecies made would have to be 100% accurate beyond any shadows of doubt and not be limited to an unverifiable past
LinK: Answer the question, don't analyze! "MORE ACCURATE PROPHECIES"
Provide or YOUR "opinion" is of NO value!
Why can't YOUR "intelligence" produce?
For starters, I don't even know the prophecies of the bible, let alone prophecies of other religious books.
What I said still stands true though, and if you cannot show all are 100% accurate, your opinion is of no value either.
Now what prophecies?
U "Google" everything else, Google that!
What u say is of no value!
Provide the book after "Googling!"
FB and Norine you both have been here a short time , you really should check the policies of HP. You both have violated some rules, mainly your language, courtesy, consideration of others. I do not know why you think you are exempt then others .
K&T: U "see" FB is beginning to look n the spirit which makes u (Satan) so mad, u're about to have a nervous breakdown! Go ahead-If I die, I die but have WORD to back me up! Read Gen 50:20! "GOD meant it for good!"
I TRUST GOD & help others
I am not looking into spirits, what I am saying is if you shut up the spirit might come to me in 10 years or whatever, but your screaming in my face NOW in order to TEACH me, you can not teach SPIRITS, YOU CAN ONLY BRAINWASH PEOPLE WITH THEM
FB:"in 10 years or whatever?" If lucky! What I like about u, u have "open mind" but n UR TIME? Really? Pray u make it! Could be recving BENEFITS "NOW!"
We r a spirit, housed in a body, that can b taught & hopefully remember these Words "n 10 yrs
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Amen "HUMBLES HIMSELF!"
LG: GOD told me to ask "unbelievers" to provide a book with as many "accurate fulfilled prophecies" written "before" Bible,& to date, no one has provided!
Hallelujah! Thank JESUS for "revelation!"
Give GOD"ALL"the Glo
Thank you I So appreciate.your comment,
1Ch 28:9“ . If you search for him, he will let himself be found by you.
Letting yourself be found means if he wants you to find him based on your heart condition that he reads.
If they learn to "humble themselves" (II Chron 7:14) & "Lean not to their OWN understanding" (Prov 3:5)! I Jn 2:16 says "For all that's n the world, the lust of the flesh, & the lust of the eyes, & the PRIDE OF LIFE, isn't of the Father,
So god created atheists to not believe in him (or any god's for that matter), which quite literally serves no purpose at all.
Not making cancer, or sickness in general, probably would have been more productive.
Link....that is exactly right, he create all these things for the purpose of causing conflicts lol.... you should read my STOP GIVING TO CHARITY POST and the others...
GUYS: Ps 119:63 "Birds of a feather r flocking together" tonight! Man, GOD gives ALL "free will" (Josh 24:15)! U serve a purpose to confuse those who would believe (Jn 10:10)! WEAK=listen
FB: Rm 8:28 "..them that love GOD.."
"Choose" (Josh 24:15)!
Norine, if you or any other's faith is called into question from not being able to address basic logic, then the faith wasn't all that strong to begin with.
Since it seems to be a semi insult, The flocking together verse also applies to you Norine.
All Norrine does is quotes parts of a script, absolutely pointless....and ignorant. Norrine lets do that experiment I said earlier about no one buy anything religious or celebrate anything religious JUST for 1 year, that will tell the TRUTH -
Who cares what they do? U still "miss the point!" U look "carnally" when this is a "Spiritual" journey! U know, 1 day u're going to drive ur car telepathically! Why not "grow up" & renew ur mind into "Spiritual" realm for expertise!
bdn I will surly be posting my hub on Revelations in some days , I will tell you this much , the beasts in Johns dream are Governmental powers.
you are close.
You clearly understand that spiritual experience is the basis of religion and not "blind faith."
Would those that profess there is no God be willing to sit in silence with an open mind and see what happens, I wonder. Some will come out of it a little rested and none else, for the others, who can predict?
Buddhists sit in silence for literally hours in what one might refer to as a divine presence, but they give it no name, no story, no attributes. In this, they are more like Deists when it comes to the existence of God.
Scott: ALL RELIGIONS have "spiritual experiences," but by FAITH... (Heb 11)!
Marie: "Open mind," studying, asking Holy Spirit for "revelation of HIS WORD!
Taop: "In silence" serving another god (Exd 20:3-5)!
Self-worth =/ Reason. If we were not meant to "know and understand everything that goes on around us," why have we been granted the sophisticated tools necessary to do so? Could not an omnipotent god prevent us from tasting this luscious fruit?
Lk: "Self worth"=KNOWING u were created n HIS IMAGE!
"..goes on around us," irrelevant & created to distract by Satan (Jn 10:10)!
We have a choice (Free will), but remember Joshua 24:15="Choose!"
FBN, there was a rumor of this species ,Palaeoloxodon cypriotes, he did not exist until discovered, those who never saw one
would say your very words. But it was discovered and existed all the time. God is the same. Just quiet for now.
I see evolution as the epitome of intelligent design! I see the the human mind as the ultimate gift of intelligent design! Why do the religious attempt to suppress this amazing instrument encased inside our skull? It's a devilish thing to do.
Palaeoloxodon cypriotes, they were living beings so existence can be proofed, if God was a living being then go find the evidence of his existence like the cypriotes, if he has never been a living being then there is your proof = FICTIONAL CHARACTER
FByou should have looked up the word. It is a male and female.
The point some people do not want proof, they like the sound of the statement. But it up to you to accept what is available If not
You are rejecting the hand of Who sustains life
Palaeoloxodon cypriotes are a species of elephant that no longer exist, but due to them being living beings at some point their existence can be proofed (even though man named them,not God). So do the same with God, instead of just keep preaching
FB , man did not create these animals, nore did man create this planet or the heavenly realm .credit goes to the Almighty Father.
If he created all these things like you say, then you must agree he creates all the nasty things to such as wars, murders etc STOP PICKING AND CHOOSING WHAT HE CREATED, if he created live, and live created wars etc, then it is his fault = horrible
FB: OT "murder" by GOD as u call it, was nec if impeded HIS WILL which was the coming of JESUS CHRIST! Who can withstand the hand of GOD (THE CREATOR) when HIS WILL, WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED!
If u were creator of robot=SAME!
Anyway it is bedtime here in the UK, please keep reading parts of this book to me, I remember when I was younger my parents used to read fairy tales to me to help me nod off!! At least the bible is good for helping me sleep I suppose...THANK YOU DOG
Meditate on this for "perfect peace!" Philippians 4:6-9! Have a good nite DOG!
Speaking of "peace", if we all banned religion and religious fairy tale books from life do you know the result would actually be "PEACE", for example this thread would be peaceful if made up stories were not there to debate :). = god is not peaceful
FB, I missed a, statement , No God created but he did not create badness,example, you raise a child to the good, but when that child gets grown on his own, he just decides to do as he pleases, say he robs a bank, did you create that in your child ?
K&T Why don't u stop sharing "ignorant" lies about GOD? "HE didn't create "badness!" Is 45:7 "I form the light, & create darkness, I make peace, & create EVIL; I, the LORD, do all these thgs!"
You'd better stop listening to this "ignora
FB , you have created this great negative story for yourself about the bible ,cuneiforms, Moabite stones, tiny scrolls uncovered saying the house of David, the bible still says the same words of thought , but in different languages.
That is enough.
Do you not see the problem here is the banks....if my child robbed a bank I would pat him or her on the back and say well done and praise ....you two should research the Rothschild family, thy're the real God, playing with us all....THAT IS THE TRUTH
Who cares? GROW UP!
Move from "carnal" to Spiritual" which shows "maturity!"
Its trendy :)
I actually agree with you whole heartedly. Atheism just means not-theistic. This means the same thing as agnostic, or not-Gnostic. Gnostic and theistic are essentially the same thing in my opinion. I realize there are colloquial differences tho.
"IMO, there is no evidence for the existence of God." Then why can't anyone provide a book w/as many ACCURATE PROPHECIES as the Bible? What man could have known this yrs in advance if not given revelation fm GOD? Explain!
Then take your own advice , what you don't believe does not give you the right to say what you say. You can say what you want , she can say what she wants even though I do disagree.
You are hypocritical. One sided.
One sided, I have heard the rumour about this God Bloke, and choose not to believe, believers will not accept that and feel the need to preach and call those who don't believe twisted etc.read the original post the guy wants evidence not preaching to
FBN , you call this a rumor, certain rumors have been known to be true. You say Rumor
But there is proof it is not , so it is a matter of what you believe is proof, everyone's proof is not the same. Or may never be . Proof can be rejected.And real
Then why in GOD'S NAME can't ANYONE provide that book?
She would disagree w/WORD & agree w/u for "Birds of a feather, flock together" (Ps 119:63)!
Because no one has made a story up about another tale before the made up one that you preach about. God, big companies must love that book, it earns them billions every year to celebrate a character called Jesus's birthday who stars in that story
FB, I think the book is wonderful, it has treasures of the past and present,it is a book that many humans do not understand
how it effects them personal, true anyone can make a buisness out of anything even humans, the book is valuble without money
Okay, lets put that theory to the test. Lets do an experiment lets get everyone not going to their versions on churches, or buying religious products/celebrating faith for 1 year, and you will see the value it has, P.S something else will be made up
The Assyrian prophecy tablets, a Mesopotamian model perfected in Assyria 2800 and 2500 BCE and adopted by the ancient Israelites 538–332 BCE. Nothing new under the sun, Norine.
FB: Provide that book?
Taop: "The Assyrian prophecy tablets," I BLV GOD IS THE CREATOR of ALL & bcuz Bible was not "compiled" until AFTER they discovered tablets, doesn't mean anything! If HE created ALL,tablets written by HIM & Satan has f
See this is why I have to be rude and disrespectful, because all you say is provide a book....for fuck sake forget books..NO BOOK in your view was MADE UP before the one you believe in so there is no book..but stop thinking your book is true,
BOY don't make me loose my JESUS on u!
If THE CREATOR is THE CREATOR (which I BELIEVE) there is/was NOTHING before GOD! So, go to bed before I say something I will regret or is that ur intent - Satan!
Have you EVER READ any other book or did you just read the one you believe in and went with the flow because that is what your surroundings believe in? If you have read every other religious book, please tell me why you chose this one to believe in?
Well that was interesting. Don't think I've ever seen Norine flip out like that. Snapshots for the memories...
invoking Satan when you're upset doesn't really do much for your position norine, just makes it lose more and more credibility
FB:R u “trying” to insult MY intelligence? I’m sorry dear but n order for u 2 insult me,I must 1st value YOUR “opinion!” Nice try though! Need I boast? Did u lv rm?
Link:I KNOW who u r! SATAN (NO CREDITABILITY @ ALL)! MY psn=0! Only GOD'S MATTERS!
You may not value anyone's opinion, but you certainly do value your own. That's clear enough. Anyone not agreeing with Norine, aka God's ambassador, is no less than the devil's own. Does it never get tiring? Don't you ever want to just breathe?
There may be no way for you to know. That may be because you choose not to know. That may be because you have not seen Him. Honestly. I bear witness to Him. I have seen Him. He has spoken to Me. Go in peace, brother, and know that He loves you.
Taop: “MY own?” NOPE! GOD’S! Either GOD or SATAN=”Choose” (Josh 24:15)!
NOPE! NEVER tiring! I breathe, do u r "taking up space?"
Created for "praise," do u? I do!
I listen to the Voice of GOD Mk 1:10-11 & "HE is well pleased!"
(Not me talking!
Good-night, Norine. :)
Taop: "Choose" (Josh 24:15) "creation!"
Have a good night!
Seen him, do you know how crazy you sound? To be honest I for one do not give one rats ass if you have seen him or not, that is your bond that I believe to be false,keep your thoughts and believes private, and tell your gang to stop preachin hate/God
FB: What's going on n ur life? Why is ur conscience (GOD) bothering u like this? R u listening?
Is it bcuz RELIGION (society) r hyprocrites & have "perverted The Gospel of Christ?"
If so, I AGREE! MOST=$!
See what is happening is GOD is branding the public that choose not to follow his instruction as a fictional character called the devil..he is creating the brands that YOU BELIEVERS bracket people too....how judgemental and horrible is that?
THE CREATOR can “brand” ANYTHING HE WILLS-HE is GOD, not the “creation” (u)! “Judgmental?” No in between! Either Good or evil, GOD or Satan – “Choose” (Josh 24:15)!
What traumatic exp have u incurred? Lost of a love? What?
Why GOD bash?
So what your saying is YOU have the right to brand people who don't believe in existence of GOD as outcasts..haha always the way, because someone don't believe in god or satan you automatically presume they have had life traumas....what a joke
Norine I can tell you that you dont know jackshit about me outside of what you see here on HP, which hasnt been alot, so keep your childish outbursts to yourself
Its a shame I can disagree with you and not think you of Satan yet you cant do the same
FB: No! I don’t have the right, but GOD does! Something makes u thk so “ignorant” that u rule or are “greater than THE CREATOR!” Now that’s a joke!
LinK: “Childish?” Carnal v Spiritual is “Childish?”
U can't thk on spiritual level!
There is no creator so how can you PRESUME I think I am greater than him, you seem to think everyone thinks like you, they don't, you think he exists I don't. At the end of the day your preaching to people because you believe in the tale,
How did thgs come into existence if no Creator? Back to Q, what book has more accurately fulfilled prophecies than Bible that only THE CREATOR could have known many yrs ago? No "man" could've known yrs ago? Explain!
The only person showing that they need to grow up is you Norine. So far anyone that has disagreed with you you have called followers of Satan, even someone who in essence believes the same as you.
LinK: I BELIEVE GOD (WORD)! If HE says"U can't serve two masters," "Choose" & there's no in between, either GOD or Satan, who am I?
Heb 4:12 says "For the word of God is living, powerful, & sharper than a 2 edged sword..."
Yes Norrine, THAT IS WHAT YOU BELIEVE....others may not.....so therefor do not feel the need to have to make a choice between TWO fictional characters.you have no right nor does God to make anyone choose...he is bribing people which is a crime lol
FB: HE is GOD, not U! U r the creation, HE is THE CREATOR! "Bribe?" HE said "Choose!"
I don't follow God. I don't follow Satan.
To maintain that I follow the latter simply because I don't follow the former shows your unwillingness to accept your God does not have the power to sway someone who is neutral but somehow Satan does.
HE gives “Choice” (Free Will)! U’ve chosen Satan–Now that’s “Weak!” But who’s (what’s) going to fill that “empty spot” u're trying to fill with sin? NOTHING will fill it but YOUR CREATOR who u will eventually reconcile with, if u want "peace!"
My supposed creator should be intelligent enough to know he needs to prove his existence in order for me to make an informed decision.
Saying that "I don't know, therefore I cant believe" automatically means I follow Satan is just stupidly ignorant.
"he needs to prove his existence" What other book has as many ACCURATE FULFILLED PROPHECIES as the Bible & what "man" could have known these thgs yrs prior to fulfillment? ONLY GOD! U refuse to accept!
If GOD says IT, IT IS SO - not "ignorant!"
I believe I asked you earlier what those prophecies were, and in this context, they would have to be very specific. Simple guesses do not prove gods existence.
And a book no one can agree on is the last credible source I would turn to.
LinK: As I told u before (lack of sp) U Google everything else, Google!
"Book no one can agree on?"
Satan's job is to keep blvrs confused (w/RELIGION) & unblvrs wondering "Why bother?" (Eph 6:12)
Not enough space with all the manic posting you do on diff threads? One by one is fine.
And how exactly do you know that you aren't the confused one, and that Kiss is the correct one? You seemed awfully quick to denounce her and say she's in a cult.
Link: ANY RELIGION that is a "Spin Off" from THE WORD OF GOD, & "a man" created new interpretation that goes against what was "originally" stated (Rev 22:18-19), what would u call, if u were a blvr?
About those prophecies...
It's almost guaranteed, with all the edits and rewrites, that whatever version you believe in Norine is also a spin off of what was originally written.
“Spin off” or not Holy Spirit DOES “lead & guide into ALL truth,” so, irrelevant!
FACT:U still cannot produce a book that has as many “accurate fulfilled prophecies” as the Bible, so “God Figured!”
Hate to admit it, don’t U?
PROOF:THERE IS A GO
Link- There are spin offs simply because Satan will mimic what God does. God created--Satan mimic and distorted. With the sole intention of confusing people and pitting them against each other. God came first.
Preaching & Teaching is not fact. Please talk about experiences with the lord rather than using quotes from the bible.experiences are FACT, unknown authors of books are not FACT.anyone had a experience of the spirit - without it being earth or li
You don't like to read do you Norine...
Remember when I said I don't know about the prophecies of the bible, let alone any other religious book's prophecies? Then I asked you to list some prophecies.
Still waiting...one by one is fine.
You are the one that used the BS, word here and call yourself Jesus follower, people know hypocrites when they hear one,
Show once when I cussed in the name of Jesus.
Nor do I bully , and rant names at everyone , go learn how to be a Christian .
Amen Lolita! FB: WORD is FACT! Provide book! LinK: No u “don’t want to read TRUTH!” I’m “still waiting” for book! K&t: They KNOW U! “Go learn WORD” to prevent making additional "ignorant" statements!
Odd how you have to appeal to fear in order to get your point across.
Wait, so, your logic, if I'm following... is that "other races are bad, I think they are going to come rape and eat us, so god exists"? Your racist hypothetical scenario is not the proof I'm asking for. I'm disappointed by your brain's configuration
Luke, when I commented, I did not expect any different response. I knew I would receive some kind of insult, condescension, or both. It is standard atheist jejunery.
...and what does being an atheist have to do with pointing out the absurdity of your ludicrous scenario, exactly?
How is it jejune to more thoroughly evaluate a situation? I would say that is the exact opposite of the word's definition. If this confuses you, I suggest looking it up in one of innumerable digital resources.
Avila: TRUE! If they only KNEW! It makes me so SAD 2 C unbelievers who LIMIT the POWER HE has given us! WOW! If they would reverse their unbelief they'd be POWERFUL as n Jn 14:12 "GREATER THAN THEY WOULD DO THAN "JESUS!"
What a LOST!
Norine I am not worried about your words of insults, and never have , which really prove what type of person you are .
It can be tiresome of you repeating a phase that does not apply even to people who can not read. You have a problem.
K&T: Have you not PROVEN who you are under Q "Why are Christians Afraid to Follow Jesus?" The "Heirs of Christ" know who you are as seen on that Q & I will (Matt 7:6) "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, nor cast ur pearls before swin
Norinne stop preaching to people...if people do not want to believe in things that is not factual that is their choice. I do believe in God. my believe though is he is horrible...there you go...
FB: U speak against WORD asking me to "stop preaching" for Matt 28:19 says "Teach all nations" so who r u but SATAN! "Not factual" then provide book! Ur belief that GOD is horrible, is due to lack of "study" of Scripture and/or "ignorance!" Study!
To study things means your learning a trade, a trade is a business - religion is one of the wealthiest things on the planet - WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? It is not ignorance, I know about the rumour and don't believe so stop being ignorant and preaching
FB: This is NOT RELIGION but THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST (Gal 1:6-9) which consists of BELIEVING & HAVING FAITH in "rightly divided WORD" to exp BENEFITS "PROMISED" & ETERNAL LIFE!
Do I get $? NOPE, But BENEFITS!
U think WRONG!
No you don't get $, but those who sell millions of them books do! Sorry but I choose not to have faith in a WRITTEN story, and your basing your faith on a PROMISE, did GOD sign that? Show me his signature then I may consider listening to your garbage
YUP! He signed IT with HIS LIFE (Jn 15:13; II Tim 3:16)! BELIEVING & FAITH produces HARD EVIDENCE (Proof) to us!
If U don't believe HE'S the CREATOR, provide that book?
The bible is merely a compilation of ancient oral traditions from one culture to the next, eventually written on scrolls, eventually compiled into book form. Believers argue over particulars, although they all agree you need air to breathe.
Well, that analogy contradicts Scripture (which I BELIEVE)! THE CREATOR is the ONLY 1 who knew of Prophecies in Scripture & His Prophets wrote! Now, if u want to blv they were compiled "prior to" THE CREATOR (sounds ignorant), or copied, so be it
not doubting if the originator you believe exists intended wrote his or her scripts to lead to good intentions......the problem is though the script has been through so many hands it as been edited to profit each hands it crossed.....GREED = WAR
U still “miss the point” when u cont to look “carnally!” Jn 4:24 says “We must worship in “Spirit!” Jn 14:26 says “HE would send Holy Spirit 2 lead & guide us into ALL TRUTH!” I BELIEVE that & HE has done that! Why concern myself?
So FB what is your excuse for acting very ugly, the bible is not the reason you don't believe in it. So we can not say that your character of actions come from it.
What ever it is I would not want any of my family near it.
k&t: Who cares about "ur family near..?" He is "searching" & u fill him w/half truths rather than WORD! Who do u serve? Give Scripture (the ONLY TRUTH) NOT ur "opinion!"
Norine you seem to only care about you, and your choice words, Jesus cares about everybody that is why we are here. Certainly the way Jesus thinks , so now you want to be heard as his follower another hypocritical statment, you speak truth here.
k&t: Who needs dr if not sick? Who needs JESUS if perfect (u & ur family)?
I give WORD not "my opinion" (me & my family?) which is irrelevant!
When 1 is "searching," give WORD, the ONLY TRUTH!
It appears that this thread has now sadly deteriorated although initially the majority of the answers were well thought through and sensible.
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if you look it is less being asked for not more
Keep "searching!" You'll look for email address ("in ten years") after exhausting all means (if 'lucky") or better yet, MAYBE you'll remember some comments from HIS WORD
@ Stella Kaye, Very well assed. Those who " preach" / talk a lot usually do little or none... Does anyone care at all for fruitless , unproductive conversation?! Anyone who want to see/ know evidence for existing of God the Creator knows Him if not
MM: Luke 11:29-36 "...This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; & there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet..."
However, I wish "someone/anyone" would furnish that book!
NW, everybody knows that Lk.11:29-36 has nothing to do with the original question. People are smart enough to know the historical circumstances of direct generation Jesus Christ was speaking to, as well as historical domain of prophetic passages the
MM: Maybe "U" didn't comprehend Q! Is author not "seeking evidence" for the existence of GOD? Didn't Lk say "they would seek a sign but would be none except...?"Who r u? Satan?
Furnish that book or the Bible is "Evidence for the Existence of GOD!"
NW, lady you have nerve to ask someone publicly"r u Satan?', and you do not know me personally?! You are one who have many time said that the "Spirit" told you... Why don't you try better way of communication for the sake of the living God?
"..everybody knows that Lk.11:29-36 has nothing to do with the original question?" What living god? If U KNEW HIM, u wouldn't have made that statement!
So, who r u? SATAN?
Besides,the Holy Spirit discerns other "True Worshipers" who KNOW WORD!
NW, Orig.quest."DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD?" - has nothing to do with Lk 11:29-36 If u d not understand that, u are a lost case who is claiming to by much wiser then The Creator of the universe, an you need much prayers..
MM: You're "ignorant" to try & debate intelligence with WORD! Is he not "seeking a sign" (existence)?
How SATAN will do ANYTHING to prove himself rt!
But u know, YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN DEFEATED!
So NW, do you have any evidence for the existence of God? Do YOU? The gentlemen is asking YOU ! Not authorizing you to call names the other children of God, giving them your own attribute of being "ignorant".
MM: I've asked x&x again, for ANYONE to provide a book w/as many ACCURATE FULFILLED PROPHECIES as the Bible (GOD) written BEFORE Bible & to date, NO ONE has provided! Can u?
Whose else could've known yrs in advance but GOD!
NW it is not about YOU what you've asked again and again, it is about the gentleman who is asking for a reasonable evidence - and he has no faith(Heb.6:6); thus to his question the answer is "no". The grace of God has its own rules to play by...
MM: II Tim 3:16 "ALL scripture is inspired by GOD..." Therefore, who could've known ALL of these ACCURATE FULFILLED PROPHECIES but GOD yrs in advance?" PROOF: GOD prophesied Bible & HE EXISTS! There's author's PROOF but as u MOST refuse to acce
So, NW what is YOUR reasonable evidence for the existence of God?
Learn to read lady and talk to the man intelligibly; he asks for REASONABLE evidence... Reasonable. Reasonable. Reasonable.Reasonable!? He doesn't ask you for quoting the Scriptures.
Michael, old buddy, please see how it's useless to discuss with a mentally disturbed person. Feel sorry for her if you wish, but don't expect a rational response. For some reason she needs this hateful outlet, so don't bother aggravating it.
ValKaras, I'll come back to you later.
Let's make this as a test.
Someone is to be a "jump into it'' unexpectedly.
Listen "DEMONS!" Provide the book, Provide the book, Provide the book, Provide the book; otherwise, U guys are the ones "mentally disturbed" & LIARS!
ValKaras, see I told you so! By overlooking "reasonable " many comments are sincere from the "spiritual", "faith" point of view. Genuine test of characters. Take believers as 'WE walk by faith not by sight ." LET'S love angry "DEMON" she'll change
you should have put this up in a forum, not in QA. Most ppl are defensive because we have not been shown the courtesy you talk about by atheists on HubPages. No one likes their belief to be insulted repeatedly. This is an image of an atheist we carry
You know the truth is that there is no reasonable "evidence" of a god or gods because it would have been presented long before now. Even the so-called god written commandments in stone cannot be proven. All they have is "faith".
very true Lela.
@Irfan: I believe to be acting courteously when responding to these questions. This was meant to be a call for answers, not a discussion.
@Lela: I exactly agree. Their faith should be respected, but not forced upon me, or anyone else for that matter.
@luke. you have been courteous. thank you.
@Irfan: you have as well. Thank you.
@Luke I always get attacked. @Lela you are correct and they cannot or will not prove thier wods,
I will refrain from this discussion becuz all I bring to any discussion is fighting. I do not belong here or anywhere, I think differently.
I agree with Irfan, God doesn't need to prove himself, our lives and deaths are evidences that there is someone who is controlling us and controlling the universe and off course he is God
Hi Luke. Omnipotence may not be the hardest thing to believe. I think the most difficult thing to conceive of may be perfect good.
They are both inherently irrational.
" I may bring up words like reason and science. Those are my core beliefs." Which r against HIS WORD! Prov 3:5 "Lean not to YOUR OWN understanding." The "pride of life" (I Jn 2:16) is what MOST unbelievers MUST give up (ego)! If Not:U exceed GOD?
Norine, keep in mind Jesus does not think like you .
Mt 10:40“Whoever receives you receives me also, and whoever receives me receives also the One who sent me.
While you take this as a joke of laughter
You are making remarks to Jesus.
&t: RT! I think like HIM striving to be “Christ-like!” Try it!
U take as “joke” r u would “STUDY” v believing “twisted” doctrine & not TRUTH in HIS WORD! Being RT is more important than TRUTH & GOD “sees!” U MUST “STAND!” I will BOLDLY!
Studying faith defeats the object of spiritual feelings, in effect studying faiths is not a natural spiritual feeling, teaching faith is manufacturing a believe to a non believer's mindset......that is horrible
First,1 must humble1self & admit we r “creation” not CREATOR! Realize OT (murder) was done for HIS WILL (to come as Jesus Christ) to save us! STUDY-U will see! *“Natural” spiritual feeling?"=Contradicts! Walk out of *u & n2 "Spirit!" HIGHER
Accept people do not believe in the shit you do, and stop trying to bully them into believing what you do, keep your love life private...we don't care what you and god get up to....we don't want to be involved
Not bullying! Just saying "Choose!" Can't serve 2 masters & have not chosen GOD, then no other choice but Satanic!
Are you so stupid? I am not serving TWO masters, I am serving no masters..my choice is none of the fictional character.I do not believe in either God or Satan so how can I be serving TWO? Now please answer beings I am serving none of them, what am I?
FB: I've been telling u all along,U can't serve 2 masters!
U can’t “plead the fifth” w/GOD! U’ve been told-today! Now “Choose!” If u do not choose GOD, u're Satanic! HIS WORD won't chg for ur "unbelief!"
Does that answer your question?
I can do what I want, I am God's messenger he has sent me to you to tell you that his plan as gone wrong and people need to stop following else it will lead to disaster. I am the chosen one you must listen lol....see how stupid that sounds
Everyone has an "opinion" & u're entitled to urs! How r u going to fill that "empty spot?" More sin?
Josh: We are the "creature," (creations) not the "Creator" (Rm 1:25)!
FBN , are you telling grown Adults what to do, certainly you do not like people telling you by your comment of Authority , so again they have the same authority is you.
They can say what they want , as you said what you wanted.
Yes I am telling a grown adult what to do. Just because you choose to believe a story it does not give you the right to preach to people. We're adults we have all heard the god rumour and are capable of making our own minds up regarding the crap book
So Norine you sent Jesus messengers running,
Lu 10:1 After these things the Lord designated 70 others and sent them out by (twos )ahead of him into every city and place where he himself was to go.
You missed his call.
He never sent his messengers in twos......for example Jesus died solo......another contradiction, or did someone die with Jesus on that cross but has never been spoke about?....by the way in the other comment you up for that experiment Kiss and Tales
Well if u don't blv "the crap book," hell (Lake of Fire) is your home! SAD u say u don't blv it really exists; and if u're wrong, oh what "fun" u'll have in hell for "ETERNITY!"
It doesn't cost anything & O what BENEFITS!
Stop avoiding the question.....please research the companies that print religious books of all kinds, then see if such companies are connected.....then please give me the answer as to if religious book companies who are mega rich are all connected...
K&T: Going out 2x2 with "twisted LIES" is SIN!
U & urs "missed the call!" Should've "WAITED" v listening to "a man" (Cult)!
FB: Who cares but u? U miss the point (as usual) looking @ "carnal" things! This is HIGHER than "carnal," It's "Spiri
Norine when Jesus was here on earth he went door to door, if you lived in that period of time and he knocked, you said exactly what you would have said then,
Jesus knocked at your door , and you ran him away.
k&t: Yes, with TRUTH, not “twisted doctrine” as JW Cult does!
He sent Holy Spirit to “lead & guide (TRUE Worshipers; Jn 4:24) into ALL TRUTH,” which HE (Holy Spirit) says JW Cult doesn’t possess!
Norrine we have all heard the rumours of which you believe to be true, but we don't care nor have the same view as you, if you want to put us in YOUR MADE UP biblical bracket of Satan go ahead, but we are just humans.
FB: We r not “just human” but “created in the image of GOD” (Gen 1:27)! GOD! Did u hear? We r a spirit housed in a body w/POWER as GOD, if u "humble yourself" (I Chron 7:14) & BELIEVE!