I think scripture prove this false but wonder what others think?
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People do use scripture for both sides but this does settle it for me.
We are under the New Covenant=Grace & Mercy! Repent! Ask forgiveness and He remembers our sins no more!
Yes; but can we just go on sinning; because we know it will be forgiven? Dangerous ground there I think.
Jackie: HS guides us & looks at our "heart!" Jesus knows the heart. Rm 6:1-2 HS convicts, we have no desire, but flesh is weak & if we do sin, HS looks at the heart! Ex: Peter forgiven! Rm 9:15. He knew Peter's heart. Read all of the Bk of
Yes I think it could be dangerous too.
Ra: Never repented, did they? II Pet 2:8. Eph 2:8-9 "gift" not "works!"Repent is all one needs to do!This is the "Good News" that no one recognizes or wants to accept "gift!" How rude! It comes fm Jesus who's done it ALL!
To repent is important simply a word to say you confess your error with the Heavenly Father ,but note that if a person repents it is not to humans but to the Heavenly Father in heaven, this is done by prayer and action not to repeat the offence,
K&T: Reconcile to your brother (forgiveness), then offer your "gift" (Repentance) to the Lord! Matt 5:23-24
Well when the individual repents GOD will forgive that person
Joe: Amen! I John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
New World Translation Heb 10:36 For you need endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the fulfillment of the promise.
Ac 14:22 There they strengthened the disciples, encouraging them to remain in the faith and saying
K&T: What gives you endurance? The Word (Holy Spirit)! What encourages? The Word (Holy Spirit)! Remove self & plant the Word (Holy Spirit) in your life for conviction! Let go & Let God! Study! II Tim 2:15. Put on the "whole" armor Eph 6
That is just what I do ! All I do is to encourage the truth of the one who created us all , I support Jehovah, and I support Jesus, we can do nothing of this work unless we have his spirit and power to help others learn the truth and save lives.
K&T:Why do speak of Jehovah & Jesus as if 2 diff people? You need to move "Beyond the Cross!" That is the dispensation in which we now live under the New Covenant (Grace & Mercy)! Eph 2:9-11"...That at the name of JESUS..." Law & Gra
Also Norine Jesus did not die on a cross ,but on one piece of wood called a stake, the cross was a pagan symbol use to worship foreign gods , even Egyptian .look it up. King James is guilty of this as well , but we must remember the Edic of Milan
K&T: Matters only that we "believe" He died for the remissions of our sins! I Jn 1:5-10(v9) "If we CONFESS our sins, he is faithful & just to forgive us our sins, & to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness!" Yes, "Once saved, always saved,
Norine I appreciate your great faith but Jesus says things much better then us all,
King James Version Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
The point is Satan and his angels will die.
K&T: I only said "It doesn't matter "What" He died on, rather we "believe" "That" He died for the remissions of our sins." Yes, Satan has already been defeated! Gal 1:6-12. "...Let him be accursed..."
To Norine a lie is a lie it does matter, New World Translation Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”
Because satan is the father of the lie. John8:44 . If worship is contaminated with lies not good
K&T: Case & Point: Do we "believe" He died for the remissions of our sins? How He died, on what object He died, does it matter? Truth of the matter: He died for rem of our sins! Right? I worship THAT He died, not on WHAT object! It's the Act
Also Norine it is very insentive to say it does not matter what he died on.
Many people lose loved ones in death ,and the very first question is how did they die. We love Jesus we want to always know the truth about everything
Not told a lie.
K&T: Not insensitive! It's the shedding of blood that matters! Not what object He died on! I "believe" he died for the remissions of our sins & that all one needs to do is "believe!" So says scripture! Man can add/ subtract all they want Re
Norine god is just god with no s,meaning one, I gave you scripture from Greek and Hebrew text translated in our language that has replace the name of Jehovah as it is in the scrolls King James deleted the name.
You have only been quoting from It .
K&T: The "Spirit" has many Roles including Father.Son,&HS! Jesus is the NAME in the disp we now live in Matt 28:18 "All power," Php 2:10 "at the name of JESUS" "I am Alpha & Omega, the begning & the ending" Rev 1:8 Jesus said! Who am
Norine there is something very important that we can not over look
In the book of Revelations the close has vital information , Revelation 14:1 both names are on these approved worshipers. We can not just ignore the Father's name it is vital as Jesus
K&T: Do you not know that Jesus operates in "Glories" simultaneously? Jn 4:24 He's in all of us who blv isn't He? Otherwise, Rev 1:8 is a lie! What NAME do u thk is going to appear in their foreheads? I thought script say "at the NAME ofJESUSPhp2
Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion,b and with him 144,000c who have his name and the name of his Fatherd written on their foreheads.
You only say Jesus on everything , but they work together,and the Father is greater as written.
K&T: That makes Phil 2:9-11 a lie! "At the Name of Jesus!" Rev 1:8 also! Don't no what translation you're reading fm but mine says "...having his Father's name written in their foreheads." JESUS!
And that's what's called Grace & Mercy! Matt 18:22. He does it greater! However, Rm 6:1-6
Mt 5:45that YOU may prove yourselves sons of YOUR Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous.
This is mercy when thank you is missing
K&T: Do u thk not saved after sin? Whoa! This ques will show those under grace vs law! If He asked us to forgive 70x7, His grace much more abounds if we repent! Rm 5:20
I think Jesus value surpasses any human gift. Yet all things has, limits, remember Adam and Eve was perfect, they had no error in their bodies, so they willfully betrayed the Heavenly Father, they lost their opportunity to live forever. We can too
K&T: We really don't know if Adam & Eve "lost their souls!" Remember, He went into the grave & preached to the "prisoners?" He how mercy on whom He pleases, even Judas! If we "Repent" we are forgiven under Grace & Mercy!
Norine it is wonderful to recieve grace and mercy, a gift is more appreciated when we acknowledge the one who gives it. in Jesus case he was a gift to us from Jehovah John 4:34My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.
K&T:I acknowledge Jesus sent Himself into the world to die for the remissions of our sins!It is finished & now ALL Jesus!Phil 2:10Jesus Fathered Himself!Spoke in layman's terms Father/Son(father/son)so we could understand & most still don
Joe: Thank you, but it isn't me.Matt 10:20 "For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaketh in you." Gal 1:6-12;15-16 "...I conferred not with flesh & blood." Thank you Jesus!
Norine you have spoken the truth that he died for us ,but that is not all to the situation, he died for Judas too! And the Jews, but they killed him because they would not accept the truth of him being God's son. You also are saying he is not. Untrue
K&T: They killed because He was making Himself equal to God which angered them. Jn 5:18 As it angers most today! If Jesus said He is the 1st & last Rev1:17-18;2:8; Alpha & Omega Rev 1:8;22:13, Who am I to argue?
New World Translation Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
Simple the word as stated had a beginning.
And was with God.
God The Father is of eternity with no beginning.
Two different beings
K&T: What do you mean the Word was a god? (Jn 1:1) Don't add or take away! Rev 22:18-19 What do you mean two diff beings? Who taught you these lies?
Norine those scriptures was quickly copied from the bible not written.
First the original scrolls written says the same, Hebrew and Greek says so. King James Bible only goes back to 1600's , if you want to say he lying that is close to the truth.
K&T: The "original" New Testament was written in Greek. The translation of which you speak "a god" comes from Jehovah's Witnesses NWT. Are you of that faith? When one says "a god" it infers "many gods" which conflicts w/scripture! Let the HS gui
Interesting why this was accepted. As Jehovah's Witnesses started to make God's name known more publicly, some clergy became afraid that they would loose more of their parishioners if they continued to use God's name in there sermons.
K&T: "Religion" man-made doctrine will accept anything! That's why we should "study!" "Religion" cares about "losing their parishioners" but Jesus wants no one"lost!" II Peter 3:9. Truth is what we seek! Jesus is the Name in this dispensation!
Norine I truly agree with you about Jesus, but we must remember there were people that existed before his arrival. What and who did they show love and support to then ? The same with King James what did people read as the inspired word before.KJ ?
K&T: JESUS in the Glory of Creator-THE SPIRIT! Gen 1:26 "Let US...ALL "burning bush, donkey, Father,Son,HS & ALL other Glories He is called for He is "I AM!"Eph 3:9;Jn1:10;10:30; 17:5; Col 2:9;Is 43:11;Lk2:11;Tit1:3;ICor1:13;Jn1:14"Glories!"
Norine I love your zeal for Jesus many are missing this love.
But I am just trying to get you to see knowledge is good , but accurate is what counts to Jehovah and Jesus. It identify them genuinely
Wild the world holds imitation.
K&T: I do love the Lord so why would I "lie" on HiM: Prov 23:1 "Righteousness" is what counts! Jesus' Words identifies one genuinely which has been "rightly divided" according to the Holy Spirit! We must do as the Bereans did in Acts 17:11! Study
Norine nowhere have I said you lied , but I said King James is at fault for his poor Translation, you mention not to take away
Really that is what he has done taken the Heavenly Father name away.
That really confuses people not to know truth.
K&T:You see, that's where the Holy Spirit comes in Who will "lead & guide you into ALL truth!"No matter how many translations, the HS will let you know the "truth!"The HS didnt allow ALL chgs & there are too many that says Jesus is His Na
1Jo 4:15Whoever makes the confession that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, God remains in union with such one and he in union with God.
K&T: "union with Him..?" So, OSAS is Scripture? Phil 1:6 Now concerning Jesus is God, Jn 4:24! Stop "looking" through "carnal eyes!"Jn 10:30! Study! See my recent Question: Is Father & Son an allegory?
That is true and I think we can clearly see ones today giving their lives knowing this to be true. (Even ones so very young.) It is not an easy road for many but they know or have a good idea what is beyond this life.
JC: Jn 10-28-29 didn't lie!One must Repent, ask forgiveness! If not, we do "move ourselves from eternal life!"Holy Spirit chastens Heb 12:6! You're convicted & don't want to sin! But if u accidentally do (the flesh is weak), repent, & ur forg
Why would Paul warn them if there was no chance of losing it?
This is just it Jackie Lynnley: Two outcome we see here, the other is "No one can snatch them from my hand..."- to my understanding it is a personal decision of withdrawal by inconstant following. . .
Oh I see yes, I think of course we are safe when we know we serve the Lord; but ones can change their mind as hard as it is for us to imagine why they would.
Jackie: Yes, One can sin (not willfully/planned, He knows the "heart") but forgiveness is available upon repentance! It's called Grace & Mercy. Read Romans. Sometimes I'm tested on HP & have to ask forgiveness! To all I've offended, "forgive
I am sure we are more misunderstood than offending someone. I know I never want to argue or fight but we do have to just stand our ground on what we believe don't we?
Jackie: Yes, we must stand our ground on our belief! Prov 28:1. I just wish they understood "Beyond the Cross!"
Expressed very good!
Rich/KT: OSAS is not from "man!" Phil 1:6 says "Being confident of this very thing, that he who hath "begun a good work in you" will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ." Explain this?
Norine I took my leave with you in peace, I am not debating I was just showing you scriptures for thought. No can force truth you have to want it accept it yourself. That is all . Take care.
K&T: I feel obligated to resp to ea comment. Teaching! Read my question on HubPages: Is Father & Son An Allegory? I Cor 3:6 only "...God can give the increase." II Cor 4:3-6.
Norine there is nothing we can talk about on the subject no further post to me please.
K&T: Agreed! However, Jehovah (God) is WHAT He is not His Name, JESUS is WHO He is, His Name!
Matt 10:14; Lk 9:5!
But your comment makes me think of the scripture where they say did I not heal and cast out demons in your name and Jesus says, "Depart from me; for I never knew you."
Meaning to me they were never saved.
How many preachers, teachers, evangelists, etc. . . are now preaching false doctrine? In fact, some of them don't believe devils even exist. New Age which began in the Garden of Eden has now become the norm for many.
Everyone is accountable for themselves. Even being a Christian I never studied and formed what was truth for me until my late twenties.
Jackie, they were lost! Gifts are "without repentance!" Rm 11:29.
Word: You're 100%!
Also notice New World Translation Mt 6:6 But when you pray, go into your private room and, after shutting your door, pray to your Father who is in secret.Then your Father who looks on in secret will repay you.
Repent would be a secret of you and God
K&T: Matt 5:23-24 "...FIRST be "reconciled to thy brother" and THEN come and offer thy gift." Repent!
Norine the scripture is true indeed , but only between me the heavenly Father would know if that was the case of me, for he is the reader of hearts, I notice you quote verses that are self examine .we can not say what one does and not do.
K&T: True! I Sam 16:7! He would no if u asked brother forgiveness w/pure heart, yes! Steps! Then take your "gift" (Repent) to the altar! True, We can't "say" for we can't see the "heart~!" Forgiveness is not a secret, prayer is! Read: I Cor 6:
Joe: Thanks, but not me! I give ALL glory to Jesus! Matt 10:20 "For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaketh in you." For Gal 1:12;15-16 "...I conferred not with flesh and blood." Thank you Jesus!
Yes; we have to always ask ourselves who it is He is talking to in every instance. In the OT & in Revelation after church has been taken most likely the Jew as it was from the beginning. We have them to thank for this opportunity for us to get in
Jackie: No we have to thank Jesus for allowing us to get in! Jesus spoke thru Paul in Gal 3:28 "There is NEITHER Jew nor Greek, ...for ye are all ONE in Christ Jesus."
True Jesus the Messiah came through their Jewish genealogy but because Jehovah had made a promise to Abraham.But we must remember Jesus paid for us in full.the wages of sin is death No human life could cover generations of people to get us all In.
Star: Yes, true, if we never "Repent" and ask forgiveness! But if we do, He remembers our sins no more, if done with a "pure heart." For He searches the "heart!"