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Wonderful list of truth for consideration.
Thanks for sharing it.
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
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And Jesus said unto him, Why ca
You did such a wonderful and accurate list of this subject , could you also do one about hell fire ? I most sure it would bring honor to the high !
I always had a problem with Jesus praying to himself for guidance, strength etc etc.
Are you Mormon?
Phoenix: Jesus was in flesh (subjected to sin, but didn't) therefore - "not good" as is anyone "in the world" although not "of the world!"
P&N: "With God, ALL things are possible!" (Matt 19:26; Mark 10:27)
Don't LIMIT the SPIRIT!
You post Bible references completely out of context, and then shout, "Don't LIMIT the SPIRIT!" I suggest studying the surrounding context of your cherry-picked verses before posting them.
P&N: I suggest u go back & do as Jesus told His disciples to do in Acts 1:4 "WAIT for "THE PROMISE" vs reading "literally!"
Re: Jn 17:3 P&N the only true man, AND husband of blank! GET THE PICTURE? U have diff GLORIES! Same man!
Jesus was a mortal man. A rich man paid for the tomb he was put into. Then, Jesus disappeared. Sounds like political espionage to me WHY did the rich guy pay for his tomb? Must have gotten a kickback from the Romans
Frumple Your statement was why would a rich man pay for his tomb?
Is that the reason you do not believe ?
Well my question to you who is valuble enough to buy the lives of generations to keep living? Certainly not one regular human who needs help
Frump: Nope! He''ll get a "kickback" from GOD (Heb 6:10) when he "stands before the judgment seat of Christ" (II Cor 5:10)!
How're your "works" looking?
Norine are you of King James acult ?
You seem to think he is the only one that can write a bible translation?
My question to you is what bible did King James of England read from in 1600's do you know?
Nope! I'm from Holy Spirit's "revelation" ocult IF that's what you think of "guidance" fm Holy Spirit!
Jn 14:26 says HE "will lead & guide us into ALL truth" & I BELIEVE even if NWT translation!
I rely on HS vs languages/research/man!
The Holy Spirit does not reside with an unrepentant heart, repent turn away from sin and you shall be forgiven, then God will come and reside with you. Until then your claiming Holy Spirit guidance is false.
I don't need to repent fm WORD given & if u think so; you represent Satan!
You are an IGNORANT FOOL of HIS WORD! You live under OLD COVENANT and are as an Atheist in the sight of GOD!
Norine, But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth. Repent. Put off the old self through humility and come into the new. Through the Son of God, the Father is waiting. Stop fighting it.
There is no word that says you are allowed to speak with a foul vulgar disrespectful mouth, a statement that was so bad that even Hub Pages deleted the entire thread. You cannot know or understand the word if you chose to remain in darkness, repent
You nor HP cannot "look @ my heart" to determine IF done "in the Spirit of the Lord" can you? So this conversation is about "pride/ego" for you have no ability to judge for u all are NOT GOD!
Heb 3:19 is still there!
Heb 3:19 So we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief.
Your unbelief is why the Holy Spirit is not with you and you continue to bask in your darkness. If you don't believe you have to repent then you will not enter. repent.
If you still have to "WORK" (Eph 2:8-9) & believe there is still "Sin" (Jer 31:34;Heb 8:12; 10:17) you're the UNBELIEVER (aka Atheist)!
"There is NO CONDEMNATION to those IN CHRIST JESUS" (Rm 8:1)!
I'm "IN!" Your actions (unbelief) displays NOT
Eph 4:26-27 Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, and give no opportunity to the devil.
Keep reading, and your darkness is explained by whom you have given opportunity to. Read Eph 4 31-31 comply and repent.
You CONTINUE to live under OLD COVENANT & don't BELIEVE; therefore "will not enter" (Heb 3:19)! There's NO "REPENTANCE" under NEW COVENANT! CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL! I will ask the Q: "Is there repentance under New Covenant?" so we can expound!
You continue to deny the elephant in the room your active unrepentant sin, it is not allowed in the kingdom of God, before the cross or after, it matters not. Repent.
Did you see the "jailer" REPENT under New Covenant in Acts 16:30-31! You FOOL! We live under New Covenant & all we have to do is "BELIEVE!" Come on! "GROW" (II Cor 3:18) as Peter did!
You don't have to repent? That is about the only thing that will keep you out of the KOG.
You DENY SCRIPTURE? Hebrews 3:19 DID NOT say 'they could not enter because of "SIN" It says "because of "UNBELIEF!" You sound like an Atheist & act like one continuously following LYING on GOD!
Norine, Hebrews 3:19 is about the Israelites not entering the promised land, not the Kingdom of God.
The times of ignorance God overlooked but now he commands ALL people everywhere to repent - Acts 17:30
Stop using deceitful foul words, repent
Heb 3: Take heed, lest there be in any of YOU an EVIL HEART of UNBELIEF, in departing fm the living GOD." Israelites? 4:1 "Let us therefore fear, lest a promise being left us entering into his rest, any of u should seem to COME SHORT of it."
That unrepentant mouth of yours still getting you in trouble. Any witness from your mouth is covered and distorted because of your unrepentant heart.
NO ONE can come at me "thinking" I don't have an "understanding" of WORD which GOD has "revealed" unto me & for that FOOL to say GOD'S WORD was only for the Israelites, is IGNORANT & you HYPOCRITES are as Scribes & Pharisees who were FOOL
Norine, Yes we can. You have exposed yourself and are being rebuked for your belligerent behaviours. Your throat has become an open grave. Stop the venomous behaviours towards others. Repent. Call out for the grace of Yahweh through His Son.
Boy, go sat you IGNORANT OLD COVENANT THINKING DOWN somewhere! ANY FOOL who is still "looking for the KoG," is IGNORANT! The HOLY SPIRIT is the KoG if you allow HIM in your life by BELIEVING! Where are you guys? Just reading Cinderella?
I see that unrepentant mouth still. To quote an active sinner I know (Norine) SHOW SCPTR THAT KOG is HS. I have to find some batteries for my flash light the darkness from this conversation is really dark. So do you tell your children it is OK to Sin
Do u see anyone saying "The KoG is at hand" AFTER Day of Pentecost? Paul preached the kingdom of GOD (telling them about the Holy Spirit) but didn't say "It''s coming" as they did BEFORE the Day of Pentecost!
So Paul was running and telling us to run the race to the finish of something that has already happened? Got ya. There are many things that will happen up to and including the New heaven and new earth which are progressing to and for the KOG.
U calling JESUS A LIAR "AGAIN?"Aren't u tired of Blaspheming? HE SAID "The Kingdom of GOD" is WITHIN YOU" (Lk 17:21)! Do u not KNOW WORD? It's there for ALL but don't TRY to come at me "trying" to DISCREDIT HOLY SPIRIT w/in me! U got PROBLEM! Repent
Jesus said a lot of things but you seem to only pick the ones that suit your needs. Didn't He say Repent also? Didn't he say if you love me you WILL obey my commandments? But that is Old Covenant right? What of Paul your buddy, why is he running?
"REPENT" means to TURN to GOD (Acts 20:21) "repentance TOWARD God!"
Paul "running?" II Tim 4:7 "I have fought a good fight, I have finished MY course, I have kept the Faith."
Where is he running?
1Co 9:24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you MAY obtain it.
The KOG is mentioned 69 times in the NT Once it say it is in you, there is more to the KOG than just in you.
One's "proportion of FAITH" is where one ends up in the "race;" not ANYTHING to do with your "physical body" (Rm8:8)!
JESUS SAID Lk 17:21;25 "The KoG is w/in u but 1st HE must suffer" to send which is "the HS"(Jn14:26)!
ONE SPIRIT (Jer 23:24)!
Please explain what you mean by "What a shame that self-professing Christians only know what their religious doctrines teach."
Great scripture Rich this shows , the Father is separate , because his work is separate from the son. The Father draws, the son accepts who's drawn, and if that one dies , Jesus resurrects that one back to his life.
Thanks for sharing.
Kiss and Tales,
Yes. The Father, the Son, and the Spirit have differing responsibilities within the Triune Godhead, but they are co-equal in their essence. God is three persons but one eternal Being.
not Co equal when one dies. , the heavenly Father is eternal. That does not make them equal.
Even Jesus said so at Php 2:6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God
When the Word became a man, He voluntarily waived the independent use of His divine attributes. He did not surrender them; He remained God the Son. He just took on the limitations of humanity so that He could die and pay the penalty of sin.
Notice. Ps 91:11, 12 For he will give his angels a command concerning you, To guard you in all your ways.12 They will carry you on their hands, So that you may not strike your foot against a stone.
“If you are a son of God, hurl yourself down;
Satan did not doubt Christ's deity. When the text says, "If," it can better be translated as "Since" according to Greek grammar. The text also does not say "a" son of God, but "the" Son of God. Jesus is the one-of-a-kind Son of God.
but he did not say if you are God the Father
He knew who he was. From your comments you believe in Angels, here satan is one , yet he knows a lot about Jesus past.
Mt 4:6 and said to him: “If you are a son of God,
Why would he say that? He knew Jesus to be the Son, not the Father.
Of course Lucifer knew about the Son; the Son was the One who ordered him cast out of heaven after his rebellion.
Look at Job 1:6 notice these sons , are they also triun?
The term "sons of God" probably refers to other angels; the angelic adversary, Satan, appears among them. The Trinity is not a fully developed doctrine in the OT, because the Word had not yet taken on human form. Here Satan addresses Him as the LORD.
Who is the first Angel created ? of millions
Daniel 7:10 A stream of fire was flowing and going out from before him.A thousand thousands kept ministering to him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The Court took its seat,
Only God knows the name of the first angel He created. Lucifer was among the first, and probably Michael and Gabriel since they are archangels. I suppose you believe it was Jesus as "the first-born of all creation." But you misinterpret that passage.
Notice the verse. Ps 91:11-12 OT For he will give his own angels a command concerning you, To guard you in all your ways.
The same verse quoted by satan to Jesus.
For Jesus is his first born, known also by MICHAEL the Archangel.
I do not believe you are ready to receive the truth about Jesus, so you won't be hearing from me again on this issue. I trust that you will come to know who Jesus truly is before it is too late.
To glnch. Jesus in My King , he gave up a fleshly body , do that I could keep living,
I truly know who Jesus is,
But I also know the Heavenly Father as Jehovah who sent Jesus, who was Michael before that.
The name Jesus means Jehovah saves.
Actually, "Jesus" is a centuries-long corruption of the original Hebrew name "Yehoshuah," which means "God is salvation." And the name Yehoshuah would later be written in English as "Joshua."
Jesus' name isn't "Jesus" at all. It's "Joshua."
Because of the many doctrines we have to be sure it really is validated by God and Jesus
. Notice Eph 4: 4-6 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
One faith is not many but one.
"When the Word became a man, He voluntarily waived the independent use of His divine attributes."
You won't find this in the scriptures. What a shame professing Christians believe this stuff. This is man's religious doctrine at it's finest.
Did you not say you do not go by King James , but you go by spirit , and now you say read scriptures that you read from King James.
Sorry but this is a dead end .
Let me tell you about "dead end!" When one doesn't BELIEVE the HOLY SPIRIT can "WORK" to "REVEAL" TRUTH; that is a "dead end!"
A dead end is when someone will not repent and believes that the Holy Spirit still remains in the sinners heart. Only by repenting and turning back to God will he abode with you. There are no active sinners in the kingdom of God.
Well you won't be there; will you! You are IGNORANT to "think" the KoG is NOT HERE -NOW! HE came on the Day of Pentecost! Are you still looking? FOOL!
I'd imagine so, since you are so TWISTED (IGNORANT) in your belief!
The doctrine of the Trinity, eh? You mean that thing that 4th century Roman bureaucrats just made up so that the Bible wouldn't be nonsensical gibberish while simultaneously making it sound spooky and mysterious to control the peasantry?
Your history is as inaccurate as your theology.
Why does King James remove God's name from the bible , leaving it in only 4 times.
where his name should be announced there is LORD. ISAIAH 26:4 Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:'
and three other places.
The early church believed the True Name was too sacred to use all willy-nilly, so they replaced it with the symbolic "LORD" to imply the name without actually using it. Those 4 times must've been deemed to be of sufficient importance to use it.
The Jews, out of a superstitious reverence for the name Jehovah (or Yahweh), always, in reading, pronounced Adonai where Yahweh was written.
That was a good answer Zelk! Yet he could not delete it completely , now the new King James drops it altogether, imagine How Jehovah feels about that. I can we honor the prayer Jesus taught us if we do not know his name. And then people mix him up
The Godhead in Hebrew is Shekhinah, the power of the Holy Ghost not some
place where 3 God's dwell..look it up
FK Jesus himself was the last sacrifice , no more animals to offer up
Because he was God's own son given ,
We have been paid for through his blood that was poured out.
There is no other life as valuble then a first born prince.
Kiss and Tales,
Where is your Scriptural proof that Jesus is Michael?
To gly D. Re 12:7 -8 And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled
Col 1:15 " He is the image of the invisible God, the first born of all creation." What does this mean K&T?
But there is a heart condition that he sees that will allow you to be drawn. Until reach
You will only see your way and not his.
That is why Judas committed the unforgivable, he was drawn by the Father and acted against his spirit to betray his Son.
Elohim doesn't mean more than one God, so read my answer
masculine plural ending does not mean "gods". Elohim is used with singular verb forms and adjectives and pronouns in the singular.
Hebrew grammar. If a noun is plural (masculine) but the verb is singular then it is treated as single BUT the plural needs to be taken into account! Meaning you have to allow that there may be more than one even when you treat it as one.
F K thank you for providing that scripture, as an example there is order,if that was all then why would God provide a Messiah , the Jews Were To Be On A Look Out .
that one would better the law not destroy it.
Yet would blanket generations of lives.
K and T if we go through old testament Moses said in Deuteronomy that He would fulfill the old testament, Jesus dying on the cross for our sins means we get a free pass to do whatever we want. if we just accept. This contradicts the old testament.
AK , like a contract there is the small print that tells you what is covered and what is not.
Heb 10:26 For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left,
K and T lets have a proper discussion on this topic, with facts and figures. i think it would be better to have it in a seperate hub
To gly. F . Lu 4:41Demons also would come out of many, crying out and saying: “You are the Son of God.” But, rebuking them, he would not permit them to speak, because they knew him to be the Christ.
The Demons knew who he was, and validated .
Lk4:34"the Holy One of God" Is 9:6"THE MIGHTY GOD;THE EVERLASTING FATHER" JESUS CHRIST (A "GLORY") the "manifestation of GOD in the flesh" (II Tim 3:16)! The ONE SPIRIT who came into sinful world while SAME SPIRIT "filled HEAVEN & earth"(Jer23:24
Thank you explained beautifully.
How do you define "Son of God"? Is it the divine name for the Second Person of the Trinity, or the name of a created being?
Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I AM." Jesus never referred to Himself as God (the Father), because clearly He was the Son.
Saying, "I am" does not make a person God. The blind man also said "I am." In the preceding verse (Jn 8:56), Abraham "saw" Jesus' day. Similarly, this was the foreknowledge of Jesus who "existed" in figurative sense in the mind of the Father.
If GOD called JESUS "GOD" who are you guys (Heb 1:8-14)?
Planks you gave your Def , not Dictionary ,
So you fit your own description. Not a nice thing to lie on people I am sure Jesus would not agree with you.
Actually, you are the one replacing the word "cult" that I used from my comment with your own, "occult." You are playing your own twisted semantics game and then calling me a liar. Do you see the irony?
Oh! So u guys are just going to IGNORE GOD calling JESUS "GOD" in Heb 1:8-14? What else do u IGNORE to remain in TWISTED RELIGION?
You can't delete IT? Now what?
Planks you are a liar if you call JW cults. The definition says sinister and promoting satan . we do not come to people doors saying worship satan.
You make this claim using cult.
Cult is one leader.
Our leader is Jehovah and Jesus.
Not so. Your leader is The Watchtower and Tract Society. According to you Jesus is not our mediator defying 1 Timothy 2:5. Check this link out for your own clarification: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detai...
The Hebrews verse is a quotation from Psalm 45:6,7. The Jews read this verse for centuries knowing the flexibility of the word “’ĕ-lō-hîm.” Many men through the OT were also called "God." Jesus was given his divine authority from Yahweh.
NWT says I Tim 2:5 "For there is ONE GOD, and ONE mediator between GOD & men, a man, Christ Jesus." KJV says "the man" ONLY diff! Why LIE? You all are an "evil" little "cult!"
GOD HELP RELIGIONS estab by "men!"
Planks Watchtower society is not plural as in an ocult,
A (society ) is a group of people involved in persistent social interaction, or a large social grouping sharing the same geographical or social .
No ocult word applies
"Social?" Where is this in Scripture?
ALL SPIRITUAL so what does social/society/man/organization have to do with "worshiping GOD?"
Those words GOD does not "apply" who is SPIRIT & communicates w/us in SPIRIT; therefore, where's GOD?
I think you misunderstood my point. Elohim speaks of plurality within the Godhead. Jesus is fully God because he's of the same essence! That's what the council of Nicea teaches. Homoosios I believe the Greek is.
Thank you Monkeyshine75, You certainly have made me proud , and made my day.
This is the very reason why people who do not know anything other then the King James bible and not accept that the original language of Hebrew and Greek is different
I've just been and checked what you said and you're right about the singular verbs. The commentator did however say that it allows for plurality within the Godhead so the argument still stands. Coeternal and coexisting with the Father.
Lawrence I understood, but disagree, Jesus was/is not God,
Thanks Kiss and Tales
FK through out the history and generations who has taken care of that need , or provided a cure, no one at this late date, no one but JESUS
Has been the means paid for our future.
Well, where ever you got your info is incorrect, Lawrence That person is trying to use that verse to support his belief in a trinity
You have to look at the Hebrew meaning, which you haven't
Norine when you tell me what bible King James of 1600's read from before his translation.
Then you can speak to me on the subject .
But right now you are confused.
LET ME TELL YOU "ONE MORE TIME:" I RELY TOTALLY ON THE HOLY SPIRIT TO "REVEAL" ALL TRUTH even if I used the NWT version!
GOD! Do you not know the HOLY SPIRIT? Has HE never spoken to you? What "guides" you? Man's knowledge or yours or both?
Explain I Tim 3:16 and John 1:14 please?
About 1 Timothy 3:16. God was manifest in the flesh because everything that God is dwells in Jesus. Jesus is fully God and fully man.
About John 1:14. The Word of God (the expression of God's will through which He created everything) became human.
Marc: Re:ITim 3:16. If GOD is ONE SPIRIT (Eph 4:4-6), who (SPIRIT) "fills the heaven & earth" (Jer 23:24), why could not that SAME SPIRIT (I Cor 12) be "manifested" for men to "see" in the GLORY of JESUS CHRIST?ONE "Omnipresent" SPIRIT;not 3 pers
Hebrew and Greek is written with different meanings
Like people who believe in hell fire, there is no such place in the original Hebrew and Greek. Hades, sheol is the words used in hebrew God' s name has been removed YHWH, bad translations
John, Jesus was a man, and God says he is not
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent:
Kiss and Tales,
I have studied Greek & Hebrew also, but why do you bring the languages up in relation to my original comment?
Mara A., the reference is in regards to mankind being in a fallen state & God created all. Also, Jesus was both God
I apologize for the inconvenience of using the space under your name ,
I am guilty of posting where I can find an open comment space , since we are limited to 250 word count .it hard to wait and then you forget what you wanted to say.
Kiss and Tales, ah... I see. Understood.
Mara A., I was stating that Jesus is both God & man. God was indicating that He is the Creator, is Holy, does not lie, and that mankind is in a fallen state.
FK no other human could be valuble enough to buy us out the situation to be born and just die with no hope of return.
Jesus was in a man's Form but he became Adam replacements because Adam sold us into death eternal as for his self and Eve.
K&T: What r u saying? "and just die with no hope of return." Are u speak of JESUS?
Here are the words of Jesus: "I am going to the Father, for the Father is GREATER than I." - John 14:28
No fair using scripture PlanksandNails.
"Greater than HIM bcuz HE was subjected to world (sin/flesh) whereas THAT SAME SPIRIT never was! THINK "SMOKE" who "fills heaven & earth" & a portion of SAME SMOKE became "FLESH" to relate to "carnal minded" men!
I'm not interested in your oneness modalist cult explanations and whatever you are smoking. I'll stick to to the hundreds of explicitly clear texts in Scripture without someone blowing smoke all over them.
I KNOW you're "not interested" in what GOD SAID "only" what "you" believe! Therein lies DEATH! II Cor 3:18 says WE "chg fm GLORY to GLORY" even as by the SPIRIT of the Lord." Where does that leave you?
Do you want to die in your sins Norine? Repent you turn away from sin, ask for forgiveness that is your part, faith isn't thinking the Holy Spirit is going to do all the work. That is called rationalization and clinging to "I was born that way".
What? You're a FOOL! Stop reading "Cinderella" GO BACK & WAIT for HELP from the HOLY SPIRIT or you will continue "looking for the KoG!"
If we will "Do greater thgs than JESUS" how do you figure a man w/o HOLY SPIRIT can do this or don't u believ
I know where the KOG is norine, but that has nothing to do with your unrepentant sin. If you believe the HS is the KOG and it is in you, you must also believe that in darkness there is no light. There is no HS in an unrepentant heart.
Rm 5:20-21 "Where sin abounded, GRACE did much more abound. That as sin HATH reigned unto death, even so might GRACE reign through righteousness unto ETERNAL LIFE by Jesus Christ our Lord" or Jer 31:34;Heb8:12;10:17 LIED "I'll remember sin NO MORE!"
"Christ, Buddha, Prophet and Sadguru" ARE NOT on SAME LEVEL! You believe ANYTHING can be GOD!
Your belief is not Scriptural! There r NOT 1K ways to THE CREATOR & HE'S TOLD u that but u don't care! Keep worshiping "things" & see what happ
Mt 23:9 Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One.
Mt 23:10 Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ.
Jesus has always been our King !
Yes, JESUS is King of Kings and LORD of Lords! Notice CAPS & non-CAPS)? Is 9:6 "...THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER..."
GOD called JESUS GOD, so who are we (Hebrews 1:8-14)?
What say thee?
Norine you can not judge people on the Internet ! That is not possible , so to give counsel and judgment based on what you perceive is error.
We can not read hearts nore do we know of anyone's past to judge.
You are out of context.
You are a FOOL if you think WORD is *my* perception & don't believe Jn1:1! WORD judges; not *I* (I Pet4:17)! You err!
I don't judge past (sins) but their "belief" presently w/WORD!
Norine who's word King James translation.
or spirit ? You can call me what ever you wish ? But you keep proving you are not of God's spirit Everytime.
If JESUS doesn't want "selling in HIS Temple" & showed us how to act; then do it whether "politically corr" or not!
Call ME what u want but example has been given!
Like a wedding with proper envite we may not be able to attend a most heart warming wedding and feast. There is a person in charge if they do not know of your or about you as a guest you will not get In.
Jesus was given Authority of that list.
Kiss and Tales I disagree because if you review the gospels you find a great amount of statements which say otherwise.Jesus himself said is Mathew 19 vs 16 that keep the commandment if salvation was from his death, he wouldnt say to keep them.
The law was a preview that would help us to understand that we are sinners and needed a cure. And that the cure would come known as the Messiah. The point is no human born of Adam could buy us out of death eternal. But a provision of God.
Constantine and his appointed minions certainly mingled all that they could to make an all inclusive state religion that would please all. It worked. In America today no persecution. A perfect out, how could I be like Him after all He is God.
if i argue that this was the purpose what about the generation before Jesus? this arguement does not provide explanation to allot of things. I wish we can discuss this on full debate form ratther than this way.
Comments made in an actual Hub can be much longer than the question and answer forums.
make a hub and we can discuss
FK. We can ask ourselves what man can not sin and be a perfect gift
For God to save human life, if this gift is required who would be perfect No regular man because we were born imperfect, but If God provides a perfect person to be born from him
The apostles did not consider Jesus to be divine? The early Church fathers did not think Jesus was God the Son? Jesus is the "only begotten Son"; He is one-of-a-kind. Romans 8 refers to Christians. The NT is full of references to His deity, John 8:58
Who do you say I am Peter? You are the Son of God. You are correct, but you only know that because my Father has shown you. Those that don't know this today have not been shown by the Father. Man's teaching has a strong delusion in place, so be it.
It's easy to "cherry-pick" as Jesus used the Greek words ego eimi (I am) as a supposed intentional direct reference to the divine name of God, but Peter(Luke 22:33)and the blind man(John 9:9)also used the same words"I am" to identify themselves too.
Kiss and Tales,
Jesus did not use the Greek words "ego eimi"; the Apostle John translated what Jesus spoke in Aramaic into Greek. Six other places John wrote "ego eimi," speaks of Jesus' deity. Your argument re: the other men is just plain silly.
Red herring, Jesus "used" then.
To use John 8:9 as"proof"of claiming deity is imposing your own eisegesis. "Ego emei" was "used" by several other people in Scripture.
You said,"ego emei" speaks of deity;therefore, the blind man is also in John 9:9.
To gly. A.
Mt 4:6 and said to him: “If you are a son of God, hurl yourself down; for it is written, ‘He will give his angels a charge concerning you, and they will carry you on their hands, that you may at no time strike your foot against a stone.’”
I weary trying to clarify your meaning. What does "Jesus used then" mean? What does Jn. 8:9 have to do with our discussion? All of Jesus' I am statements make reference to some aspect of His deity: 4:24, 26; 8:24, 28, 58; 13:19.
Joh 4:24God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.”
Must is no room for maybe , or any type but truthful.
I meant John 8:58, not John 8:9 as referenced to your previous comment above where Jesus "used" the words "ego emei" (I am). Sorry for the confusion.
Planks and Nails,
I am not reading my own meaning into the text. The Pharisees picked up stones to stone Him because they believed He was blaspheming by claiming to be Yahweh of the OT.
Also gly you mixed me up with another's comment , never said anything of the words ego eimi, never used these words.
Jesus told them the reason why they wanted to stone him (Jn 10:32). Why use false testimony from the Jewish crowd whom Jesus called liars, hypocrites and murderers to support a false claim that Jesus is God? Jesus is clearly the Son of God (Jn 19:7.)
John 10:36 do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'? Christ's words, He could have said "I am God the Son" but He didn't . They didn't like Him being the Son.
Thanks Rich ! Boy was that a deep scripture and I appreciate how you shared that thought, you are good with the sword of truth.
We don't worry about what HE "could have said," but what HE SAID! Heb 1:8-14 IF GOD called JESUS GOD, who are we?
V10 said JESUS "laid the foundation of the earth..."
What r u FOOLS talking about "trying to FIGURE IT OUT" w/o HS?
Norine, Be not quick in your spirit to become angry, for anger lodges in the bosom.
P&N: Don't let the sun go down on your anger as you confuse my frustration w/anger! You guys are so IGNORANT and imperfect in Scripture "proclaiming" Christianity yes it infuriates me! I HATE you unbelievers "w/a perfect HATE!"
Norine, Repent. Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouth, but only such as is good for building up. When words are many, transgression is not lacking. Restraining your foul words towards others would be prudent. Be not rash with your words.
You want to hear foul language that is in WORD?
You are an IGNORANT JACKASS who still lives under the OLD COVENANT & too much "pride" to admit you believe WRONG so you "try" to discredit the WORD! GOD "sees!"Be not deceived GOD is not "mocked,"
Norine, Why the crooked speech? You should put devious talk far from you. Is it not what comes out of the mouth that defiles a person? Do you not know that one who conceals hatred has lying lips, and whoever utters slander is a fool? Repent.
Psa 45:7 You love righteousness, uprightness, and right standing with God and hate wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness above Your fellows. (King David speaking of the one God of Israel)
You call GOD'S WORDS "slander?" U & Rich r IGNORANT Old Covenant thinkers & "will not enter because of UNBELIEF" (Heb 3:19)! Again, I say ALL thgs "in the Spirit of the Lord" &u can take it or perceive it anyway u like! U can't WORK ur wa
There is no covenant with God old or new that allows unrepentant sin in the kingdom of God. One is not righteous by grace, but first becomes righteous then accepts the grace/forgiveness . Practice righteousness and one is righteous.
Norine, Listen to advice and accept instruction, that you may gain wisdom in the future. Good sense makes one slow to anger, and it is his glory to overlook an offense. Whoever restrains his words has knowledge. Repent and be of cool spirit.
I must say; y'all r on 1 accord w/IGNORANCE (Satan)! When OC thinking is removed; MAYBE you'll understand! Go back & "WAIT" for HIS HELP vs your "interpretation" of WORD! 1 can't WORK their way in or out of the Kingdom as u can see=NOTHING!
James 3:11 Does a spring pour forth from the same opening both fresh and salt water?
I'll give the answer to James question, no it cannot, repentance allows for the salt to be removed and make one fresh clear clean water.
Norine, If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle their tongue deceived is their heart; this person's religion is worthless. A faithful witness does not lie but a false witness breathes out lies. Repent of your hatred anger and frustration
You OLD COVENANT THINKERS are as Atheist (UNBELIEVERS) in the sight of GOD operating on behalf of Satan (Jn 8:44)! If you had ANY Holy Spirit u would not continue in these actions! But Pride/Ego is working isn't it-NOT HOLY SPIRIT! IGNORANT FOOLS
There is no New Covenant scripture that says you are allowed to have a disrespectful foul vulgar mouth that not even the gentiles will not tolerate. In darkness there is no light, come out, repent, turn away from darkness.
There is Scripture that says WE ARE FREE "IF" done "in the Spirit of the Lord" (II Cor 3:17)! Why won't you stop calling GOD a LIAR? Can't you READ? Are you so OLD COVENANT? Then you are an UNBELIEVER & are as an Atheist in the sight of GOD!
No Norine in God's eyes I'm warning my neighbor so their sin will not be on my head. Only the darkest rebellious spirits would refuse to repent and turn away from darkness. His forgiveness is there, repent turn back to him and He will forgive.
Not "on your "head," Rich! Scripture says "at thine "hand" (Ezek 3:18)!
Go to question!
To continue in your unrepentant sin is to crucify Him over and over, how sad that anyone would want to do that to a man that laid down his life for all that would repent and follow after him.
You WORK OUT your "repentance;" I'll allow Holy Spirit change me to NEVER DO AGAIN. How'd those New Yr's Resolutions work for u? Could u keep them? How do u expect to "repent" (NEVER DO AGAIN) w/o Holy Spirit's Help & u couldn't keep New Yr's
If God wanted to change you instead of you doing the work He would have yanked out your brain and gave you the one he wanted. That would make you a slave. You changing on your own with help makes you a servant, which do you think God wants ? Repent
That's what we want! Don't u? We want our "minds to be renewed" into HIS! So yes; "yank mine out & make mine as HIS" is my prayer! "Let THIS MIND be in u which was also in Christ Jesus!" AMEN!
"I am a slave to ALL ppl to bring them to Christ!"
You are a slave but it is not for Christ, in light there is no darkness, repent. Renewing your mind like repentance requires you to do something. Study, repent all actions on your part. Help is there for everything but you have to make effort.
I will no longer "waste my pearls on SWINE!" Have a good night!
Well versed "Trinitarian!" But you forget there is ONE SPIRIT (Eph 4:4-6) who "manifests HIMSELF into "MANY" - "GLORIES" & JESUS CHRIST - THE GREATEST (Heb 1)!
Why would GOD call JESUS "GOD" (v8-14)?
K&T: Why do u think this is in Scripture? Heb 12:11 "Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the PEACEABLE FRUIT of RIGHTEOUSNESS unto them which are exercised thereby!" See WORD wo
"Nowadays" you need to READ Scripture (Heb 1:8-14)!
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"Two separate souls?" They are ONE SPIRIT (Eph 4:4-6)! Who told u this?
Norine you mentioned children you know them and what they do .
But you do not know people behind a computer screen. Some people just say things to push your buttons .and you just judge them by a reaction to your belief.
No its not accurate.
Well, if they're IGNORANT enough to say it "They suffer the consequences" if it DEFIES GOD'S WORD! I don't have respect of persons lies or not!
This DEFIES Scripture: Phil 2:6 says JESUS didn't have a problem being "equal to GOD!" GOD has no one else to "witness" in truth to BUT SELF (Jn 8:13-19)! SAME SPIRIT! The "Son" didn't know in the GLORY of "Son" but now back to the ONE SPIRIT&KN
Norine you read your scripture wrong interpretation.
Jesus at no time claim to be equal to God the Father.
Again you need to find a better translated bible.
You are misleading based on a bad translation
Everthing you read of KJ is not accurate
Why don't you "google" all other translations! NO ONE says different but your NWT! "Seizure?" Who has the problem?
When it comes to irate, contentious individuals on this thread, I am going to follow the advice at Proverbs 26:4 which says: "Do not answer the stupid one according to his/her foolishness, so that you do not put yourself on his/her level."
I gave Phil 2:6; Jn8:13-19 & u say "according to HIS/HER foolishness?"
Don't get "snapped,crackled & popped" by not being able to discern "man" vs GOD for "THE WORD "IS" GOD" (Jn 1:1) & not one's "foolishness!"
To Rob Mellow , true Jesus was a Phophet. But much more then you have missed.Jesus was perfect, he would not have hurt his to,he being Gods first born son as his first Angel Micheal.
Came to keep me and you living, past our own power he paid a price
As the representative of the apostles, Peter declared Jesus to be the "Son of the living God." After the resurrection, Thomas worshiped Jesus, saying, "My Lord and my God." The Jews sought to stone Him to death because He claimed to be Yahweh.
To gly C . Returning back to heaven he still carries the name Michael.
Da 12:1“During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing,
Jude 9But when Miʹcha·el the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing,
Your references do not equate Michael and Jesus. Michael is merely an archangel, an exalted spiritual being who protects Israel. Jesus is the King of kings and Lord of lords. You have proven nothing by quoting these verses.
True gly he is not in parts, but they are not rolled up in one body either, the scriptures says man and woman will become one flesh, are they really rolled up as one body. No , but they become one in the meaning of togetherness and agreeing,
RM: You talk to urself don't u? READ Heb 1:8-14!
Yes They "agree" but are ONE SPIRIT not "flesh!"
JW'S deny GOD & will have to stand before the judgment seat of CHRIST!
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Over two hundred times, Jesus is explicitly referred to as the “Son,” not the Father. What is painfully clear, is that the Oneness modalist interpretation of select biblical passages are highly resistant to plain reading. There is no allegory.
Is 9:6 "...HE shall be called THE MIGHTY GOD..."(What?) "...THE EVERLASTING FATHER..." (What?)
Boyz I know u WISH u were right but you "AIN'T!"
Look IN THE SPIRIT or you won't "SEE!"
Leave that Trinitarian dung ALONE!
He who has ears let him HEAR
Also she Ms pispis, did not come back to reply , why are you ignoring the truth it's not in Hebrew or Greek which does not make her statement true.
Maybe RELIGION taught her not to "argue" (PROVE) which errs! K&T JESUS can be Michael, Gabriel, all the prophets, ANYONE/ANYTHING
HE desires; simultaneously!
NOW THAT'S GOD - WHOSE NAME IS "JESUS!"
Oneness modalsists use their ambiguous texts for their cult's predilections rather than what has been made crystal clear. 179 times Jesus is presented as referring to “the Father,” “my Father” or “your Father” in the Gospels as distinct from himself.
So u "Ekkelesians" can relate that the SAME SPIRIT who wasn't "manifested in the flesh" was subjected to "world/sin" and A PORTION of the SPIRIT wasn't!
Not daddy & lil boy as we!
SPIRIT - ALL SPIRIT (Jn4:23-24)!
Planks what is an occult ? Could you define it because .everyone that does not agree with you is occult. Please give definition from Dictionary.
K&T A religious cult are a group of people with misplaced or excessive admiration for ambiguous Scripture verses to make their claims while ignoring the explicit ones.
Planks according to your definition you just proved you are one.
The word “occult” is generally associated with secret knowledge and practices dealing with the supernatural or “psychic” phenomena, ...
What you did not notice is that I used the word "cult" in my comment, not occult. FYI, they are two different words.
ANYTHING that doesn't agree w/his "interpretation" of WORD is a "cult!" PROBLEM: "Interpretation" vs "revelation!" HE didn't "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) just grabbed book & tried to "figure it out!"
So Norine you quote and believe in King James of England .Then you do not agree that King James was moved by spirit to write his own translation.
You certainly follow his every word.
You talk like MISFIT!
LET ME TELL YOU "ONE MORE TIME;" I BELIEVE in the HOLY SPIRIT who SAID "HE WOULD REVEAL "ALL TRUTH" (Jn 14:26)! What part of that don't u "understand?" I rely TOTALLY on HIM to REVEAL "ALL" TRUTH even if I used NWT translation
Norine you say the spirit guides you , but you quote from King James and admit you do not follow king James but you quote his translated scriptures . The Holy spirit does not work the way you think .
Oh yeah! HE "lets you know" ("reveals") KJ or NW LIED! I didn't know about baptizing in JESUS' Name but Scripture did not show where disciples "obeyed that commandment" so Scripture did not TESTIFY of ITSELF; therefore LIE "revealed!" HE "WORKS"
Norine the scripture speaks for itself , he is the image of his Father,many times people say your son is the image of you.
Meaning you have ways like your dad or Mom.
Jesus was raised by Jehovah of course he would think and mimic his father's ways
The"image" is the SAME SPIRIT that was in THE man JESUS CHRIST not "physical appearance!" "No man has seen GOD at anytime" for HE IS SPIRIT! The Body(JC) was not GOD but the SPIRIT within was (Jn4:23-24)! U MUST "see" in SPIRIT! "Raised"(Rev1:8)?
GOD operates in "GLORIES!"
GOD is ONE SPIRIT that manifests HIMSELF into ANYTHING, ANYTIME, ANYPLACE; simultaneously IF HE DESIRES! Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient (The Big O's)!
DON'T LIMIT GOD to 3 & not "persons" but SPIRIT!
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"Persons?" Can we "cut" & they bleed?
Yes Christ shed much blood for those that will repent. God on the other hand is Spirit, not sure about blood from Him and the Holy Spirit is an "it" so no blood there.
See how IGNORANT you are to WORD (aka "Nigga in Christ")? GOD "manifested HIMSELF in flesh" (ITim3:16) came & DIED for us then reconciled to SAME SPIRIT in heaven! Acts 20:28 "...to feed the Church of GOD, which HE hath purchased w/HIS "OWN BLOOD
Your comments is interesting enough that it says the same of some others , but Hebrew and Greek of the original language does not support What you are saying, Hebrew in plural and singular are different from our English language. Makes a difference.
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K&T What r u going to do w/Scriptures she quoted? Throw out of the Bible?
I still don't see how MOST "think" they've been baptized in a NAME when Father, Son, Holy Spirit r "GLORIES" & not a NAME!
So MANY L
Norine she is quoting her understanding with out proof from a newer translation .
Not based on Hebrew and Greek.
Not one word has she reference from Hebrew or Greek meanings and that is the foundation of scriptures not in our Language.
When "man" studies "languages," they are as "Researchers" (MISFIT) "trying" to do the JOB of the HOLY SPIRIT! Did HE not say "HE" would "lead & guide us into ALL truth?" Why then UNLESS u don't BELIEVE?
What r u going 2 do w/Exd3:14-15;Jn8:58?
The Word did not have a beginning. He was with God in the beginning. Adding the article before "god" is also grammatically inaccurate.
Think in the beginning starts with he was with god, like your self in the beginning with your parents, they were here first, you came later. Typical error on King James part as a translator using a capital G, wrong.
The people who translated the Scriptures in what became the King James were brilliant scholars and linguists as well as true Christians. Your answer betrays your ignorance of both the Biblical languages as well as theology.
What you are saying is King James was perfect who can not make mistakes, I ask you do you ? Just because some one writes or translates a language does not mean. They can not error. Man is Always revising book . Look at acts 2:34
Where did I write in my remarks that I believe the KIng James to be without mistakes? All human translations of the Scriptures will contain errors. All I'm saying is that I trust their scholarship over that of the JWs, especially regarding John 1:1.
I never brought up the subject of Jw we are reading scriptures they should stand alone in truth. Just like I never said anything about your religion.
So let deal with truth not based on name calling of religion.
I identified you as a JW, because of your interpretation of John 1:1. By making that error, you reduce Christ to a created being. You use one proof-text and disregard the rest of the NT that clearly proves Jesus is God. I am dealing with the truth.
What you call error is opinion Jw should are not the only people that understand King James Error, since you are looking for error tell me why he took Jehovah name out of his Translation. Of Hebrew and Greek tetragrammaton shows over 7000 times?
Also you assume that Jehovah’s witnesses are no class of people. They are Scientists, Doctors, Lawyers, scholars, Teacher , what ever you name they are or have been, .8 million and growing all over the world,
I have not denigrated JWs as people; I'm sure many of them try to be moral, and many are accomplished. I do, however, dispute their theology because it is a rehash of an early Church heresy: Arianism. Christ is not a created being; He is God the Son.
Religion has did a lot of injustice as well. Stealing God's name from his work is called
Is like some stealing your hub and putting anothers name on the work.
All will stand before the Judgment seat.
The same was in the beginnynge with God.All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made.In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men. Tyndale Bible
RB the point is Jesus took on a fleshly body
When all the time he was God's first born Angel, Michael. His Value was so high that he paid for Generations of lives to live under his New Government soon to operate in full.
No man has that value but him
K&T: How does your HOLY SPIRIT "work" for you since Mine doesn't "work" the way yours do? lol
Jesus did not become God; He was God the Son who became a man. He is perfect God and perfect man. This has always been the orthodox doctrine of the Church, because this is what the Scriptures teach.
With that thought of being drawn , simply shows us we are picked to understand accurate knowledge, we do not pick ourselves. invited from the Heavenly Father.That is why some people will never understand scripture only their interpretation not God
Word: Get it right! It does matter! That why Scripture says Matt 7:22 & Gal 1:6-9! Baptism should be under New Cov! Jesus sent the Holy Spirit thru Apostles to tell you HOW to be baptized in Acts 2!NOTE: NAME! Jer31:33;Heb8:10;Jn14:26 came Acts 2
glnch I give it to you that you tell the truth of where your beliefs come. You said Orthodox doctrine. Really you give a trust that we are warned about .
Mt 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Kiss and Tales,
I am not giving you man-made doctrine as did the Pharisees; they contradicted the OT with their laws. I am giving you what the Scripture plainly teaches: the fundamentals of the faith that true Christians have believed for centuries.
There are christian who defected to the mixture of pagan believes
More evident from the edicts of Milan.
Many pagan festivals already celebrated became a mixture into christian homes
there must be no poison of pagan worship.conneted to the True God
Word55 you have completely missed the meaning of "If you see me you see the father" It doesn't mean what you have interpreted it to. but, there's not enough room here to explain it
don't cult leaders say they are god?
K&T Matt 15:9 applies to JW'S "rewriting Bible to accommodate their beliefs"(false doctrines)! HOLY SPIRIT will "reveal" TRUTH & u guys r in trouble! Jn8:58 "Before Abraham, "I AM!" Y'all r in trouble! Made 2 MANY mistakes "rewriting!"
Norine all your quotes and beliefs arrive from King James of 1600's , you can not grasp that he took God's name out the bible over 6000 thousand times , that is why you think Jesus is God.
So everybody that understand any Greek and Hebrew you ignore
YOUR PROBLEM: You IGNORE the HOLY SPIRIT who "REVEALS" ALL! Hebrew/Greek/Translations/ are IRRELEVANT! You "lean to your own understanding" (Prov3:5) studying Heb/Greek as MISFIT "Researches!"
By your own words, you are saying we must not rightly divide the word of truth and ignore the hundreds of the explicit plain words revealed by the Holy Spirit in Scripture for your own "special revelations" based on your cherry-picked ambiguous texts
What Word have u "rightly divided?" You still live under OC! U baptize in Father,Son,HS (Titles), JW'S don't, u WORK for salvation vs Eph 2:8-9, u thnk "Paul" just another man, u "thk" there r 3 "persons" (no 2; don't no what happened to HS) Trinity
Please use proper words that people can understand. You are writing unintelligible gibberish assumptions.
U "THINK?" Oh yes, u do!
I Cor 2:14"But the natural man recvth not the thgs of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto them: neither can he know them, because they are SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED."
Norine, Repent. Let's expose your false doctrine for others to see who you really are. Here is a refutation of your false modalist oneness doctrine that states "Jesus is the Father" in this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zkrC7gk194
Lk 5:31-32 "...They that r whole need not a physician; but they that r sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
You look @ YouTube; I'll continue to look @ WORD!
Norine, the link is not there for you to look at, but to expose to others the false oneness modalist doctrine. Repent. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. Promoting the doctrine of demons is the wide road. Ignorance is bliss will only last so long.
Did I not say I'd never head of "Oneness" until HUB? I READ WORD!
Don't u know for every offense there is a defense for ANY subject on computer? Who cares what "man" has said re: ANY subject? Ppl r confused for that reason! ONLY Word matters!
RB you address he had a lot of followers but you did not say why,
In today's world celebrities have thousands of fans and followers, they give their talent, or contribute something to their fans
In Jesus Case he did something that no man can do.
HE sure did! READ Heb Chapter 1 & don't think v 3 mean the little boy JESUS sit on the "right hand side" of GOD in a little chair! "RT HAND" means in "RIGHTEOUSNESS!" V8 GOD called JESUS GOD! V10 JESUS created the world! V11 "but thou remainest
Norine does it make sense, Woman said to a Woman sit at my right hand. No !KJ flaws ! Ps 110:1The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool..
You see he purposely does not use YHWH.
Nore use Jesus
K&T: "woman 2 woman?" KJV says this? "RT HAND"="RIGHTEOUSNESS not TWO SEATS (Rev4:2;Eph4:4-6)! SPIRIT/ALL SPIRIT!
"Trinity" thinking (Father/Son) KILLS & just another "spin off!"
Heb 1:3 says GOD'S GREATEST BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY"=JESUS CH
FK. Even though he became flesh and blood it was for our needs to buy longer life and to give us all the things we can not have in this present world and system.
No human standing in history has ever came up with the cure for sickness death. But
God has no parts; He is not part Father, part Son, and part Holy Spirit. He is three Persons in one divine essence.
Anyone who simply reads the Bible for themselves without attending any Constantine religion will not be leavened with invented unscriptural statements.
Poleflux the first Apostles were his first witnesses .Notice Mathew, Mark, Luke , John, a list of 4 written testimonies , then the required 3 by law.
If you witness a accident and two others saw it as well, it would rule in on the bases witnesses.
K&T: Do you even BELIEVE in the HOLY SPIRIT? Is HE not "politically correct" in your RELIGION? What function is HE in your walk? HE is POWER (Acts 1:8) yet u thk u have MORE studying Heb/Greek?
Norine you have revealed another spirit that is lacking on HP Col 3:12 Accordingly, as God’s chosen ones, holy and loved, clothe yourselves with the tender affections of compassion, kindness, humility, mildness, and patience.
Cussing is not spirit.
Again "out of context!" Did you not hear "chosen ones?" These are believers w/believers or WITH ONE ACCORD! We don't go around leaving our brother in sin being "compassionate toward sin!" Get real! Do u condone wrong w/ur children? Why others?
RB what could he do that he had thousands following, he cured people, he removed demons, he returned life that stopped.
But what is even greater he paid a price for you to live longer then the normal life span because of sicknesses and death.
doctors heal people, bring them back to life, where is the proof that jesus healed people? why would you kill someone for healing others? surely he was worth keeping around for that. he died for our sins so we could live longer to commit more sins?
Poleflux A. the bible also have a proven law as well written ,
Mt 18:16 But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, in order that at the mouth of two or three witnesses every matter may be established.
Actually doctors don't heal people, the body some how heals itself. Doctors manipulate things and the body does the rests. Wonder who created a body that could do that? If you buy he died for your sins you are suppose to stop sinning, unlike most.
Why would we have to "stop sinning" when HE "remembers our sins no more" (Jer 31:34;Heb8:12;10:17&Ps103:12)? You're LOST bcuz of "UNBELIEF" (Heb 3:19) which MOST don't BELIEVE! GOD "operates in "GLORIES" & JESUS the GREATEST (Heb1:3)!
Great answer lonestar! One of the best I heard lately.
Sent you a poem, Brother Rod. Look for it. Thanks for your noble contribution here.
Poleflux Jesus never claim to be God or equal to his Father.
Most people followed him because of what he could do for them
And he fed thousands many times, A cult leader is about his self
How he can use people for his needs
Jesus was used for his.
K&T I'm not going to debate who wrote what & when; who translated orig Scripture fm Hebrew/Greek into English (mistranslations could've occurred there too) when I KNOW the HOLY SPIRIT "REVEALS" ALL TRUTH! Apparently, you don't know the HOLY
Norine the holy spirit is this !Ga 5:22 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, these are marks of his spirit.
I believe people whos conduct and speech
Reveal the Father' s spirit.
You're "out of context!" The "fruit of the Spirit" is displayed w/those WITH ONE ACCORD! Did JESUS show these "fruits" in Matt 23? Why? They were "unbelievers!" Do u think GOD has those "fruit" w/those in Prov 6:16-19? Get real! Who taught u TWISTED
You get real you have not showed these as listed. As you now deny in your ego.
No ego intended! You must "get real" w/WORD & stop thinking we all should "go along to get along" when Scripture says otherwise! I've given WORD! Is 5:20; 8:20;Lev19:17;Titus 1:13;Ps37:30;Is59;8;ICor1:10; 6:15;Mal3:18;Rm16:17-18;IITim3:5-6;IJn4
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