Once saved, always saved or not? Verse or scriptural support for answers please.
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Re 2:10 . Look! The Devil will keep on throwing some of you into prison so that you may be fully put to the test, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Prove yourself faithful even to death, and I will give you the crown of life.
To TSAD If satan test you you may not know what it was or what will keep you from the what Jesus will give you.
But we know for sure it is Jesus who has the last word.
KT Yes Jesus has the last word, that's why he said "I give them eternal life and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. No one includes Satan. Buildreps can't provide scriptures in context to his point as Phoenix asks.
Norine I have never doubted God's word , I doubt the people who use it like a weapon and run people away from the truth , because of their pride and ego.
Jesus was a teacher he did not run people away but he drew thousands he could not find rest .
We also must not overlook that two beings are envolved with our salvation while some believe just one. Notice Jesus said the one doing the will of my Father, people will claim to do the lords work but he will deny them.because they deny the Father.
KT,I don't know how many times you need to be told before you realize JW's is a cult&your JW interpretations have been proven scriptural incorrect by any study of true Christianity,are you under some kind of mind control? Do a simple Google searc
Tsad here are those who do not listen. That are not his sheep but are claiming a relationship.
The other is because they listen and follow his instructions. The way he said.they follow his voice. What a difference .
Claiming and doing is.
I Agree TSAD! These "beings" spoken of sounds like 2 diff gods to me! God is an OMNIPRESENT Spirit! ALL GLORIES simultaneously if desired! No one should LIMIT God!
To CG you have written truth in scripture .of what is being said, the problem for me is that I used my allotted space already in comments. When posting scriptures I can not cover it all without running out.
there is no debate here. just the truth.
Kiss and tales, Thank you for your words. There are a whole lot more to say concerning this topic but not enough allotted characters. As you said, there are more scriptures that shows God's love and forgiveness, and his grace. The waterfall of grace.
How do you reconcile your philosophy with what's recorded at Hebrews 10:26,27, 29-31?
@ Joesph, verse 26, Knowledge is NOT salvation. you hear the truth but still reject the KNOWLEDGE and keep on sinning, since there is only one way for salvation but rejected the truth now you are left with no other way for salvation.
What is salvation then?
Salvation is excepting the truth and turning from your sins. Being "saved" Knowledge is just hearing it. Everyday I hear knowledge about something, I chose to except what I hear or I can reject it.
So your belief is that after someone has accepted the truth and repented from their sins, or in other words converted, they can continue practicing sin with impunity?
No, I didn't say that, don't be putting words in my mouth. Your the one that call on the scripture. Now you are just trying to argue, splitting hairs. I won't argue.
I asked what your BELIEF was. Nothing more, nothing less.
You know my belief, now have a nice night Joseph.
Prove yourself faithful even to death, and I will give you the crown of life.
This proves we will be tested by satan as faithful Job
Like a marriage if you only support a title and claim it can not stand, works and faithfulness prove value .
Flpalermo, agree, don't be fooled by those Pagan Christians and those who claim to know scripture. I know I'm saved simply by one scripture. Rom 10:13...Whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. I don't have to wait to the end, I know.
CarrieG: The Scripture says you "SHALL" be saved, not that you are saved right now.
Re 2:10Do not be afraid of the things you are about to suffer. Look! The Devil will keep on throwing some of you into prison so that you may be fully put to the test, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Prove yourself faithful even to death,
Taking one scripture out of context doesn't make it a doctrine. Does that scripture say "only" the one who has endured to the end will be saved. NO! You should study what the whole bible says of this and put that statement into context.
How about taking anything out of context?
And TSAD I listed more then one on the subject. If Jesus says we have to prove faithful till the end .that is truth.
Agreed Joe, so why have you done so? Not only that, you also misstated scripture as Matthew 24:13 doesn't teach "only," yet you say it does.
Tsad you showed a scripture at John10:28, but you you left out the important part.
But you do not believe, because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them everlasting life,
The question that is never answered correctly is when does Jesus give them eternal life? It is at the end of the race, then no one will snatch them out of His hand. The away from me I never knew you comes to mind. OSAS is man twisted doctrine.
One cannot "endure until the end" until they KNOW what to "endure" in which is the Gospel of Christ (Gal 1:6-9)! Follow Acts 2:42 as did the disciples under New Covenant or LOST! What end? We KNOW in this world if saved! I Jn tells us we KNOW!
We don't want to take anything out of context so read
Luke 13:23-30, it is a story to answer the question: "Lord are there few that are saved?"
New World Translation
Lu 22:31“Simon, Simon, look! Satan has demanded to have all of you to sift you as wheat.
Jas 1:12 Happy is the man that keeps on enduring trial, because on becoming approved he will receive the crown of life,
Well said Eric,Jeremiah 17:9-The heart [is] deceitful above all[things],and desperately wicked:who can know it?James1:22-25-But be ye doers of the word,& not hearers only,deceiving your own selves.Only God can know who has really accepted Jesus.
Well put brother Eric! Indeed it is only the shepherd who truly knows his sheep! We can all speculate and say what we purport to know but eventually and ultimately it is God who truly knows who is really saved and who is not.
Did you all forget I John 5:13 which says we "KNOW?" Did it LIE?
Neither does it about this scripture ,
Joh 14:17 the spirit of the truth, which the world cannot receive, because it neither sees it nor knows it. You know it, because it remains with you and is in you.
Not all people will see truth and know it .
http://www.gotquestions.org/reincarnation.html Well if the 144 is divided by the 12 Sagittarius stars and the metamorphosis of the reincarnation were to occur before and after the rapture I can come to a concept through meaningless babble too.