Jehovah's Witnesses don't allow blood transfusions. Lately, I've been reading a lot of articles about Jehovah's Witness women who die shortly after childbirth because they don't accept life-saving transfusions because their cult does not approve of them. Is it moral to force a child to grow up without a mother, and deny a mother the chance to watch her child grow up, just because it's your interpretation of the Bible? The thought of my son being forced to grow up without my love because of a primitive religious belief seems very immoral to me.
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But murdering an in-utero human being doesn't bother you in the slightest. How very sanctimonious of you ...
I don't recall claiming to be better than anyone else. We all make choices that someone else probably sees as being immoral. I'm sharing my opinion, as was asked of me.
Yet that is the impression both you and Jenny elicit, that you're moral and JWs aren't ...
That's your perception. All I said was that I think it's an immoral choice and it makes me livid.
I clearly hold beliefs that piss other people off, but I don't take your disagreement as you saying "I'm a better person than you." Should I?
"All I said was that I think it's an immoral choice"
This is a sanctimonious allegation.
I've made choices myself that I would say were immoral. I'm not trying to say I'm a better person than anyone else. I'm commenting on *this choice*, not the people who make it.
You're evil, man. Your hub said nothing. "Bloodless medicine"? Not the standard the world over, it's murderous lunacy based on one verse in the book of Genesis -- a story written thousands of years ago. You're sick.
Which is actually meaningful since you're so Pro-Life, right?
Ugh, this seems like a such a waste. I truly do hope that you get that eternity you believe to be true, it breaks my heart to think of people denying life-saving procedures for nothing and just throwing it all away. Makes me feel ill, honestly.
Are you also Pro-Life?
I'm pro-life after a certain gestation, though I see a difference between human beings physically and undeniably alive and a fetus that can't be categorized as easily.
I don't quite follow. Are you suggesting the murder of, say, a three week child in-utero doesn't make you ill?
Mmm, wonder which one weighs heavier on the moral scale.
Painless termination of a fetus.
Forcing a slow and painful death on your grown child due to refusal of using modern medicine.
Can't figure it out.
So you're ok with murder so long as it's painless? Now, see, THAT'S evil ...
Now THAT my dear Joseph is what you would call a straw man :)
How in the world is that a Strawman? Did forget you insinuated that the murder of a fetus is painless and that you're ok with that?
A zygote does not equal a living, breathing human being with a life outside of its mother's womb.
If a zygote is not a human being, what is it?
A fertilized egg cell which at *some point* becomes a human being. If you're going to call a zygote a human why not go back even further and call the billions of eggs and sperm humans?
I was humoring that both were considered murder and drawed a comparison to which is worse, although Im smart enough to know abortion is never straightforward to judge properly.
Oddly enough Joseph, seems you favor the worse one. Why u hate kidz :(
I respect that everyone has their own ideas about when life begins. That's fine. But if you're going to argue that killing, say, a 9 year old is the same as aborting a 3wo fetus... man, I just don't even know where to go with that.
So when precisely does an in-utero human being become a human being?
I, along with everyone else in the world, do not have a definitive answer to that.
@Aime or whoever would like to reply. Is an embryo in a woman's womb human in nature?
Sure. But so are a woman's eggs. Are we going to argue that every time a woman has a period she's killing humans?
@ Aime, a woman's period is a natural process. Abortion is not natural. A man who is in an accident ends up in a coma. Depending completely upon others to care for his, is he still a human being?
Why even make that distinction, then, if it isn't meaningful? Withal, your worldview strikes me as hypocritical ...
A three week old fetus would show no resemblance to a human being if you took it out of its mother's womb. You would not be able to sustain it by any external means.
Aime, just because a fetus does not look like a human does not mean you should kill it, and that it does not count. It is the beginning of a human. Life has started.
That's your opinion and I 100% respect it and believe you have every right to hold it. I myself would never have an abortion. I just think it's muddier than that - and I most definitely don't think you can compare a zygote with a grown child or adult
@ Aime. I disagree but thank you for keeping it civil. Once the egg is fertilized, it has the essence of a human being. Same with the man in a coma. Neither can survive without outside help.
Absolutely loved that topic jump by Joseph to try and make Jenny/Aime out to be the bad guy for possibly not being pro life while ignoring he would let a grown child die due to his beliefs.
Am I the only one who noticed the hypocrisy...?
Had you read my Hub in response to this question you'd see how there is NO hypocrisy on my part.
Mmm, I did read it Joseph.
Did I misunderstand the part where you wouldnt rely on a blood transfusion to save your child? I hope I did, because that sounds significantly more evil compared to "murdering" a embryo/fetus.
Think of it like this, why would anyone jeopardize their child's eternal life in exchange for this temporary one we're all fated to?
And see, my question would be... Why would anyone jeopardize the tangible, concrete life their child is living for an eternal life they can't guarantee is real?
Your deflections never fail to impress. Bravo Joseph.
God doesn't lie: http://bit.ly/15XCebD
I'm sure he doesn't... if he exists.
Thankfully, He most certainly does: http://bit.ly/1Ao84je
Well it's nice that you can be so certain, I guess.
What an odd thing to remark :)
With all of the irrefutable evidence for his necessary existence, why wouldn't I be?
You and I have very different definitions for "irrefutable" it seems.
Anyway, not sure I'd want to believe in a God who thought it was appropriate to make me deny my child a life saving procedure and then watch them die. That seems cruel.
But don't we all have to die?
Starting to sound a little death culty now.
Hardly. We love life which is why we cling to our Creator so strongly for only He can grant us life everlasting. Don't you want to live forever?
If you love life wouldn't it make sense to do everything you could to keep yourself/your loved ones alive?
Shooting laser beams from my fingertips might be a little cooler though. X-ray vision and telepathy would be even better.
We do yet why do so at the cost of sacrificing ETERNAL life? Don't you want to live forever?
Then I invite you to accept your Creator's loving gift of life everlasting: http://bit.ly/15XCebD
Sure, that would be great. But I don't see any guarantee here and I don't care to gamble my own (and especially not my child's) life on it.
If you consider the evidence with an open heart and an open mind you'll join the millions the world over who have every reason to believe it is guaranteed: http://bit.ly/15XCebD
Isn't it possible that I've already done that but just come to a different conclusion than you? :)
Do you mean you've already studied the Bible from Genesis to Revelation?
I have, yes, I identified as a Christian for several years.
You forget that Christ taught, "Those who are healthy do not need a physician, but those who are ill do." (Luke 5:31) How, then, is taking our children to see a doctor when they're sick a display of "weak faith"?
The "physician" Jesus spoke of was Himself. The Word of God says, "By His stripes we are healed." It is all by faith. Weak faith, gets weak results. Strong faith, gets strong results.
1 Peter 2:24,25 explains how Isaiah 53:5 applies to Christ and his sedulous followers and it most certainly does not signify that we should not see a doctor when we're sick.
James 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.