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True Rachel you bring out some good points that there are other qualified things to do with believe, they work hand and hand as a team. Like getting hired at a Job belief is not enough we have to act on it by performing the job that's required.
RA:"..believe but don't care about Christ.." No truer words spoken! He came, DIED, sent us Holy Spirit(HS) to put laws in hearts Jer 31:33, Heb 8:10, but no does AFTER Acts 2:2! Why?
Norine God the Father lives in heaven
scripture 1Co 11:3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
So we must admit we are not in each other
K&T: "Rightly divide the Word!" Did It not say Christ was "lower than angels" bcuz angles never lived in world? Christ was God's manifestation of Himself in "the flesh" subj to sin! Of course SAME SPIRIT not in world over Christ who was n world!
Norine so was Adam and Eve in the world this is our home created for us. JESUS is a first created Angel known as Michael , he came to earth to purchase us . He did with his born flesh as the last sacrifice. Jesus died .returned in spirit as Michael
K&T: What does Adam & Eve have to do w/it?
Give me scriptures that Michael came as Jesus & returned as Michael!
Why are you asking me a question when you have not answered mine
Because you know there is no scripture.
But I will still answer your question.
K&T: What question have I not answered? I have script for EVERYTHING u ask yet u did not give me script that Jesus was Michael & returned as Michael! Why? Are there scriptures?
When will you listen and stop miss applying scriptures to say what you want. So far as the Jack ass maybe you should follow your own advise.
K&T: You're funny! God spoke thru "jackass" (Num 22:28) as He did thru the apostles (Jer & Heb), mostly thru Paul n NT! With GOD ALL thgs are possible!
Did He not come, DIE, sent HS, told Paul what to tell us nec for SALVATION? Isn't this S
That's what I mean you pick scriptures to say what you want
The Jackass , had nothing to do with the subject out of Numbers but
You applied it, since you did you must be speaking for yourself
I never brought the name up.
K&T: I do speak for myself & will repeat "If God spoke thru a jackass, I would listen!" You wouldn't? That's the problem. Don't dismiss bcuz a jackass, search to see if "TRUTH!" If He did it in Num 22:28, He can do it today for "He is the sa
You Norine are not listening to scripture even though you use that example , you should not use it , it makes you look bad.
K&T:Not "believing" scripture is what makes one "look bad!" Again, was He not prophesied to come n OT, came n NT, sent HS to help under NC, said "write on hearts" wrote on Paul's telling us what to do for SALVATION, yet no one blvs?Who "looks bad
The winged leopard representing the Grecian Empire
Daniel 2:32, 39; 7:6
331 B.C.E. Alexander the Great conquers Persia
The ten-horned fearsome beast representing the Roman and Anglo-American World Powers
Daniel 2:33, 40; 7:7
K&T: Jeremiah 23:23-40 (v24) "...DO NOT I FILL THE HEAVEN & EARTH? saith the LORD." OMNIPRESENT! EVERYWHERE SIMULTANEOUSLY!
DON'T "LIMIT" GOD FOR HE IS "OMNIPRESENT" in "WHATEVER" FORM HE DESIRES!
That's MY JESUS! Not to "appease" but "
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When one understand the teachings of the gospels John 14:26 tells us we already know but only the born again will have the comforter to bring them back to our memories.
So Josh make good on your promise , be what you promise to her and God. That is your test in life , things that seem you can not do you can with victory!
Eli: "Born again" & "rightly dividing His Word!" Jesus told us AFTER HE DIED He would send us (the disciples too) a Comforter that would "guide" us, but u deny the HS "guided" Paul & others in Script AFTER Jesus ascended! That's the problem!
You are not spirit born to be able to hear the comforter. Has your femininity integrated with your masculinity (Gen 2:24)? No? Then you aren't Spirit born. One must follow the order without missing any steps. With a testimony one knows the order.
To EA Ge 2:24 That is why a man will leave his father and his mother and he will stick to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
Husband and wife share the same name are called still separate in body. The bible relates the Father and Son the same
K&T: You're looking "carnally" again! Father and Son are "ONE SPIRIT, SAME SPIRIT" not "bodies!" ONE SPIRIT with MANY "Glories!" OMNIPRESENT! More than Father & Son!
EA that proves they are not equal if you make something lower then Angels , how could they be the same.if you have sons you can say one is lower in age then the others. This proves Jesus was an Angel before made a human.
Eli/K&T: Can't u see that because angels have "never" been manifested in "flesh" is what made Jesus lower than angels? It's the "flesh" that was "subjected" to sin that made Him lower than angels. He (God) "lowered Himself" by manifested Himself
Norine the scriptures does not say manifest
Himself, it says he made him lower then Angels . You are the one changing the statement. He could have said I lowered myself . No he lowered his Son. Face it accept it they are two different beings
K&T, Eve didn't come out of Adam, he dreamt it, Adam let his femininity lay dormant and Eve her masculinity making them both woman, to become whole man again those 2 attributes must become reintegrated within each requiring the new birth to do it
K&T: I Tim 3:16: "GOD" manifested "Himself" in the "flesh" & "RECV'D UP INTO GLORY!" Does Script lie? No need of denying Script or u can't be SAVED! Forget "teachings" & STUDY! Spirit is not beings u can touch! The "world" made that up! 3
Norine satan is a god of the lie,we can not give our worship to the true God based on Lies or miss applied words take you away from God’s spirit and favor.
Like you keep saying cross , that is untrue , Jesus died on one piece of wood called a stake.
K&T: Satan HAS blinded ALL (II Cor 4:3-7)! He's laughing! They cont in their beliefs rather than STUDY! Too much trouble? Looking "carnally?" Very immature Christians!
MESSAGE: He DIED for our sins! On what object doesn't matter! Remember MSG
K&T: If it's in God's Word, not a lie! HS will "reveal" lies man has chg'd! The point is, the "overall" msg has not chg'd & NEVER will! No misunderstanding if HS "guides!" The world is @ 2 Thess 2:11
Norine I posted this scripture earlier, Jude 9But when Miʹcha·el the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah rebuke you"
K&T: How does Jude 9 tells us that Michael was Jesus? Show me exactly where it states that? Explain!
Norine notice Ac 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
King James Joh 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me,
K&T: GM! Acts 17:24: Precisely! God (JESUS) did not nor does not "dwell" in a temple (house v.29-34). OMNIPRESENT SPIRIT! Apparently u don't blv He is! How do u explain His being in ALL of us?
I Tim 3:16 Who was manifested in the flesh? OMNIPRE
To CP. Like our own genealogy we can trace back family history with good records
True we may not have been alive to know many of our relatives , but documents saved , copies of births and deaths prove existence.
We also have records in the bible.
Eli: Find ONE PLACE in Scripture where disciples baptized according to Matthew 28:19??? As MAN has chgd definition of words in dictionary, so have they chgd wording in bible! Research "original" Matt 28:19!
INW, if you say in the name of the F, S & HS that still means a name common to all three, they all three has I AM THAT I AM in their names so it doesn't really matter which way you say it, it means the same thing. Don't you understand English?
Eli: NC supersedes Matt 28:19! Move into NOW-NC! Jesus said "NAME" F isnt a NAME, S isnt a NAME HS isnt a NAME! Dont u understand the English lang? ALL r JESUS the NAME n COMMON! After NC "all" baptzd n Jesus' NAME! It makes a diff under NC!
The Bible says "holy ghost" which Jesus was upon resurrecting, Mat 12:39-40 & Rev 5:12 makes Elijah become a "whole man doing what ghosts do" interpreting the "parable" of what's said in Mat 28.
Eli: We agree! Jesus is NAME of HS! F & S's NAME as well!
Salvation: Words spoken thru apostles after estab of 1st CHURCH! The dispensation in which we NOW live-NC! Otherwise, Gal 1:6-9!
We are NOT agreeing, Jesus is a pseudonym, NOT a name. Read my Hub https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Why-Its-W...
Eli: If Jesus' Name is "pseudonym" (pen name), what's His Name in English? JESUS! We're not Greek or Hebrew! Phil 2:9-11 says "...at the NAME of JESUS..." Did it LIE? NO! JESUS is the NAME of GOD!
NW, the Rod from Jesse's stem is Yoshua, the Branch from his roots is Eliyehu, and why it's a pseudonym, the Isa 7:14, 11:1-12 & NT speak as if the 2 are the same person but they are for different ages, the Rod for church, Eliyehu for the end tim
Eli: Does it matter what ur gr,gr,gr,grandpa did? U r here NOW!
"I AM" has PWR to do "ALL" thgs but "U" were commanded to "OBSERVE" the disciples, sent HS to help, yet evade Scripture?
Future doesnt matter either (Rev) if NOT READY (Havnt OBSER)!
I will not respond, I have already.
Eli: U can evade the issue if u like, but I tell u again: We NOW live under NC of Grace & Truth so why worry about Rev? Until u blv that-there's no salvation! We r to "OBSERVE" apostles & do as they wrote fm HS (Jesus)! Otherwise, Rev doesnt
Have you read https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Why-Its-W... to see the word "of" has to come from the person and you are saying Paul's words is the gospel of christ? You don't understand English, what's your 1st language?
Eli: Paul's words were NOT his own! Why can't u blv Jer 31:33; & Heb 8:10; 10:16? What did Jesus say n those Script? Did He lie?
NW, Because Jer 31:33's "After those days" takes place after the Laodecian [meager] church era, which is now, and I'm the first of Israel [endures] reading from their heart rather than the book.
Eli: If "U" r reading "fm the heart," rather the Scriptures & ur "readings" do not align w/the Word of God-not "THE HOLY SPIRIT!" His Word "WILL NOT CHG" nor contradict Itself!
Jesus gave instructions thru Paul & apostles (Acts 2:42) if not
You are telling me about following Jer 31:33 and not doing it yourself, what a hypocrite you be.
Eli: How so?
I'm telling what the comforter tells me from my heart and you are constantly telling me what Paul told you out of the book. How is what you are reading out of the book coming from your heart?
Eli: If a comforter is talking to your heart & what it's saying is "AGAINST" what is written in the book (Script), what comforter is that? Script is WRITTEN & no demon in hell can chg that disguised as "comforter" or not! I give Script u give
The book say thing against itself, you can't hear your own heart so you will never get the answer to that question until you do. I can tell you until I'm blue but not hearing the spirit of what I say you will never comprehend it.
Eli: Not if rightly divided~! Why a bible? Why II Timothy 2:15? Why listen to a comforter "against" His Word? The 2 r synonymous! Yes, He talks to our hearts & minds but not "against" Himself!
If "spirit" talks "against" Word, Satan!
To carnal minds the bible does oppose itself, in our hearts is the explanation for it, is why listen to your heart and not books unless it confirms what the heart say. Without the comforter in reborn man most interpretation are in error.
Eli:So what does that say about u for u r the 1 who said "..the book say thing against itself.."
Do u believe in the New Covenant & that we NOW live under Grace & Truth?
Why are you stuck on New Covenant and nothing else matters? There are 66 books and you are stuck on 2 words. Read and understand the book's message before you attempt teach what it means and stop asking the same question.
Eli: Why? Because of Gal 1:6-9 - "ACCURSED!" If we don't do as He commanded us why bother w/anything? Just forget it ALL - NO SALVATION!
I ask again & again for it is my desire that NONE is lost, me as well!
Paul don't have HS power to curse, I'll be cursed by him, not by HS. NONE WILL EVER BE LOST, never was and never shall be, that's why Rev 20:5 say they live again to repopulate earth for Rev 21 to go through Earth's cycle until their redemption day.
Eli: U'd better "renew ur mind!" HS talked thru Paul & was Paul! Don't blv Jer & Heb, Acts 9:15? Don't blv His Word? Where does that leave u? ACCURSED!
Keep "not blving" & u will find out if "NONE WILL EVER BE LOST!" If "none lost" why b
I'm reborn to a mind higher than the unreborn (Isa 55:8-9), why should I renew a carnally lower consciousness? If this higher consciousness leaves me accursed, PLEAS leave me cursed, I have paid a curse of the flesh to obtain this wisdom, satan.
Eli: No matter how "u've cursed the flesh," if not according to Script still "ACCURSED" I give Script! We NOW live under NC-Grace & Truth & Paul should be followed per HS! I Cor 11:1!
I Cor 1:17! Who is Christ if not the HS?
Rev 21:14 Bui
I AM SATISFIED BEING ACCURSED. You will never change the choice HS has destined me to so I care less what you have to say about it. Chose a new topic and leave me ACCUSED.
Php 4:3 Yes, I request you also, as a true fellow worker, to keep assisting these women who have striven side by side with me for the good news, along with Clement as well as the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life
Eli: Yes, u r rt-"ACCURSED!"
I have "...planted the seed, only GOD can give the increase."
If u r not "willing" to "look" at Scripture & GROW (complacent), there's NO ROOM for JESUS! II Cor 3:18
I've done what HE asked!
Norine I requested no reply to me , and I still mean it. You can believe in your omnipresent that the bible nowhere uses the word. No I do not believe in your message nor the way you use scriptures to attack another. As you just did. With accursed.
k&t: Why do u cont to get in on conv w/Eli (Women Preachers)? U could've ignored if IT gets on ur nerves as most "unbelievers" do! R u drawn to TRUTH? Why? HS who is OMNIPRESENT!
As I told Eli, I have planted the seed, ONLY GOD can give the inc
Norine you do not own HP. and if I want to reply to EA, I will until he says different.
You have no Authority to tell me who to talk to .And anyway I did not comment to EA.Get your story right , before you yell a judgment.
Eli: Ur right! But as a disciple, speak TRUTH!
I know others follow what I say fm Script as well but none interact as u! Why? HS guiding?
"His Hand is still stretched out!" He's calling! Don't fight (humble yourself to Word) - STUDY!
NW, read my post on https://phoenixv.hubpages.com/question/256742/how-... it should answer your question above.
Eli: If the holy spirit that you're listening to goes "against" His Word, what hs is that? Acts 17:11 & II Tim 2:15
So true and to the point tlmc. That is a key to the whole subject obedience of instructions , like a famous recipe , if we go off the list doing it our way , we will not get the same exact return of the dish. But we could end up with a failed dish.
timc: Amen! "Obedience is NOT works" but following the Holy Spirit who "put laws in our hearts, & write in our mind." Peter said "Repent, & be baptzd n Jesus' Name" not F>S>HS! It does make a difference for we live AFTER THE CROSS!
Also Tlmc, you certainly are correct about obedience, because at King James Version
Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered.
K&T: He was "obedient" to Himself! If you could "see" the allegory of the Father &Son, not father & son,u would understand! We should "obey" the Holy Spirit which "leads & guides us into ALL truth!" Who do u want to lead u? The Holy
Also Norine you are stuck on this one thing that confuses you , the king James uses Lord and God and applies mostly to Jesus. Yet he does acknowledge God 's rightful name. You can do some research on bible's and the King James Version please do.
K&T: I have! Jesus came to "fulfill" law & "nowhere" is the name "Jehovah" found in "ANY" translations of the New Testament not even Hebrew! You worship under the "law" which was fulfilled under (NC)! Come on now! Grow! Nxt sacrifices?
Because King James deleted it , but he did leave it in four places, Ps 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH,Isaiah 26:4 Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH, Isaiah 12 :2 ,Exodus 6:3,
K&T: Jehovah is "I AM" which means "ALL!" We now live under the NC in which JESUS (Jehovah) is now gathering the Church! Let's get ready!
Mt 20:23He said to them: “YOU will indeed drink my cup, but this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.”
Explain why the son can not do what Father can
K&T: Do u know that Christ was "in the world" subjected to evil! Has His Spirit that remained in heaven done so? That's why THE SPIRIT that has never been "in the world" is Greater! If Jesus is not God, where is God? (Matt 28:18) Asleep?
NW, you infer that CHRIST was tainted by evil because HE was born into the flesh. that does not agree with scripture, that says CHRIST was the final sacrificial lamb, without spot or blemish. perfect. to say otherwise makes HIS sacrifice to no effect
I think you bring out some very good points and answers , but I did catch one thing ,Holy spirit as entity,No, In the scripture you gave
Notice the holy spirit is not in a seat, holy spirit is power by which he get things done and he can share it.
T: Do you know what “subjected to” means – “exposed to!” I did not say He “did” it! I’m not that “skitzo!” lol! Christ did die in vain though; if you don’t believe what scripture says we should do “After The Cross!”
Ro 10:2 For I bear them witness they have a zeal for God; but not according to accurate knowledge;1Jo 2:22 Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one that denies the Father and the Son.
K&T: Bcuz u've been "taught" your way & complacent doesn't make it right!Gal 1:12 I never called u Satan!Why do u cont?U r not willing to chg "fm glory to glory" as He did! Complacency has "no place" in Christ! II Cor 3:18;4:3-6. JESUS is GOD
Look- whatever I am to you, this is where I am. I'm in this body which has the same lusts and desires as you. I haven't followed all the commandments either. Josh.email@example.com is my email
I do like hearing from people. I'm most pleasant 1 on 1
Josh he paid up by experiencing death for many that means that many will not have to experience death in these last days.
And if you do die you can return here to live again,many loved ones will return but when the earth is cleaned up with new homes
Wm: Is this now a "dating" site? We're talking JESUS & u "lust!" Totally opposite! No thanks! Go to WORK as stated earlier! You're not interested in SALVATION from "eternal damnation" only salvation from "lust!"
This is true but I just want to clarify something. Baptismal is not the one that can save, but Jesus. It is written in John 14:6 Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Only Jesus can save.
Mon: I Pet 3:21! He only saves those "who does His will" not something we "learned fm religion!"
I agree Tlmc , you brought up a good point , Heb 10:28 Anyone who has disregarded the Law of Moses dies without compassion on the testimony of two or three. Notice this is written in New Testament
People should not disguard the old testement
K&T: Why do u disagree w/script? OT has been "fulfilled!" Jesus came!
Didn't Script say the OT "LAW" was our "SCHOOLMASTER?" Did it not say "WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SM? Did u even rd Gal 3:24-25 or have ye no "faith?"
We're under NC not "LAW
Jude 9 But when Miʹcha·el the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah rebuke you.Here again in the book before Revelation
K&T: Is this ur answer that Jesus was Michael? If so why would Michael say "The Lord rebuke thee" when He was the Lord? Explain!
Because Norine King James translation drops Jehovah’s name , in hebrew and Greek it appears over 7000 times.
He replace the name with Lord. That is just why you think Jesus is Jehovah.
K&T: God (Jehovah) is still ONE SPIRIT who manifested Himself in flesh & born JESUS who DIED for us & no one cares or they would live according to AFTER THE CROSS! What diff would it make if He said "Jehovah rebuke thee" if He was Jehovah
Norine even King James starts to use the word tree, not two pieces of wood
1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
K&T: Why r u so "hung up" on words? "WHAT" He DIED isn't significant! He DIED for our sins is the msg! Why argue what method when He did! The MAIN point "He DIED for our sins!" Trivia!
K&T: Did "WHAT" He DIED on for our sins change the MESSAGE? Irrelevant! Don't forget the msg! He came, DIED, Sent HS to guide us under NC, & "MAN" will "NEVER" chg that! Stop nit picking & "Study" what to do under NC for SALVATION! Study:
Norine the importance of telling the truth and applying it .Lu 16:10 The person faithful in what is least is faithful also in much, and the person unrighteous in what is least is unrighteous also in much.
The truth no matter how small matters
K&T: That's between them & Jesus! Have u no "faith?" "THE HOLY SPIRIT TEACHES ME "ALL" TRUTH!" Don't u blv that? Doesn't He teach u?
Becomes ALL became ALL under NC - JESUS! GLORIES chg/Name chgs! Phil 2:9-11
True EA by means of our history and beginnings , in the bible it tells our past and future and how to arrive there.
K&T: God SEES "ALL" things!
If that personal relationship is with the comforter then we know, if one isn't born-again to have the comforter to bring it to their remembrance (John 24:26) one can not know.
Rest assured in your Faith This Faith is not in Rselves but Christ Our Lord Jesus This R Faith is Our Comforter the Holy Spirit I will send another in my place refers to the Last Age 4 us Flesh is never again NEVER after The true Christ returns 777
See my post to the question "Why Did Elijah And Moses Appear To Jesus"
Josh this topic is about Christians bring saved or not, not open for pick up lines and people, and even though you admit your inner most difficulties of sin that may not be the case for others, so we should not assume others are like yourself , real
We did get off topic didn't we. I didn't mean to 'pick people up.' Sorry. I only meant to share why I haven't been as present as I should have been... If I am who people keep telling me I am. If I'm not, I should go back to being a hermit.
Also Josh as a long time bible student I can assure you without a doubt , there is no hell fire people burn in , that is very inhuman to do so, death is the punishment of sin. Death can end your existence forever. But Jesus paid up with his life .
K&T: Can u give scriptures for your belief that "there is no hell?" Will you write a Hub?
And yes Norine I missed your request I would be most honored and happy to write a hub on the this topic Hell and hell fire will take me some days to put the hub together.
K&T: Thanks K&T! I want to learn and I believe that God puts people in lives of others to bring us where "He" wants us! Looking forward to that Hub! Notify me @ firstname.lastname@example.org. Thanks.
So Norine the head of man is Jesus , and men do not share the body of Jesus as one, and the head of the woman is man , we do not share the same body in a man . Everyone has their own body, now God is head of
Jesus and he has his own body as well.
K&T: Jesus & who has same "BODY?" STOP "looking" CARNALLY! JESUS & GOD are "ONE" SPIRIT (OMNIPRESENT)! SPIRIT has NO "body!" GOD manifested Himself in "flesh" so "man" could relate!
Show me Norine where it says in the bible they are omnipresent
Give exact scripture with that word and definition please.
K&T: Your Jehovah means "BECOMES ALL!" Is that not Omnipresent? Col 1:17 says "He is before all & by Him all things consist." Isn't that Omnipresent? U limit God when He's n ALL who blv? U don't blv He' "I AM" or "ALL?" O ye of little "faith!
Norine that is g not giving me a scripture with the word that says your statement , you see what you believe and your opinions you conclude
Truth , not so , that is why there are so many religions because of not sticking to scriptures as written.
K&T: The bible doesn't say that GOD is AWESOME either yet is another adjective to describe His GLORIES!
Yes, "the word" Omnipresent is not in Scripture but another way to explain to "man" His mysterious POWER!
Where not script? Col 1:15-19Omni
Norine thank you for admitting that that is not in the bible
When you have scriptures from a translation that has omitted important words the meaning adds up wrong. What is worse you believe them and now you have a untruth. This is the case of KJ.
K&T: Is GOD not AWESOME but not n Script? Adj used for "man's understanding" but TRUE! Do u not no that God is ALL, in ALL, created ALL, becomes ALL? Sounds like u looking for "excuse" to deny His POWER (GLORIES)!
Name chg doesn't chg His POWER!
To Chris Peru. Example there is a foundation that we build our faith on , the bible is a book of history that can be validated by regular human history past and present. Can you cross reference time and events , like Governments and powerful leaders.
K&T, the Bible is a book of metaphors, allegories, parables & symbol/types [MAPS] using historical events to reveal the understanding of the cycle governing earth and man on it (Gen:1:14 & Ecc1:9).
EA can we dig up record of you to prove you exist? Yes, can we say through your records that you live in the 21 century ,yes!
True the bible has parables , and story examples , but can we also say the Jews exist? Not a metaphor .
The HOLY BIBLE'S purpose is to reveal to man all things past and future concerning earth by using historical events to represent certain spiritual things. Like Romans 1:20 say, the things made makes visible the unseen things eliminating excuses.
Rm 8:5-14 says (in part) "...For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life & peace..."
We should ask HS for revelation of "Spiritual" things (allegories, metaphors, illustrations, etc.)! We no carnal!
NW, When spiritually born we need not ask HS for we spend our time 24/7 meditating (Psalm 1) & HS reveals it to us through that mediation.
Eli: When "new" revelation is given you from someone , you do not "Search the Scriptures to see if so" (Acts 17:11)?
"Searching the Scriptures" praying & asking HS for "additional revelation" is the role of a "MATURING" believer! II Cor 3:18.
To Chris they have something of evidence that they establish their faith on.So even though people use scriptures they are already convinced they just practice their faith by sharing scriptures with others.
NW, I've read almost every passage provided but they do not negate what HS has taught me. HS reveals meditation is praying (Psalm 1) and opening one to receive its comprehension. I live in constant meditation remaining open 24/7 to receive from HS
Eli: I agree! But "mediate on His Word" (Joshua 1:8) "...that thou mayest "observe" (the apostles) to do according to ALL that is written therein..."
My meditation shows me to observe what is written about the christ to do the same. If I observed the apostles I would be a Laodicean who knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: (Rev. 3:17) like many others
Eli: Do we not NOW live under Grace? Have u considered the dispensation in which we NOW live? Did not Christ come, die, sent HS, talked thru apostles via HS telling us what to do for salvation? If not, "Accursed!" Gal 1:6-9. "Study!"
NW, Yes, grace as Isa 7:15-16 defines it. Yes,We are in the Laodicean dispensation. Yes, Jesus died and the HS came to talk to each individual via their heart and inward part. I rather be accursed for obeying the HS than Paul and/or the apostles.
When JESUS said in Acts 9:15 "..he is a chosen vessel unto me, to "bear my name" before Gentiles.." which is evidenced by Script, yet u dont blv JESUS spoke thru him? He said He would & did & u deny? U dont blv Script/JESUS?
He was chosen to bear his name but he carried a pseudonym for his and my names. The first christ's name is Joshua in English & Yoshua in Hebrew so people do not know YHWH, his and mine has I AM THAT I AN in common, per Mat 28:19, salvation's name
Eli:"..he carried a pseudonym for his and MY NAMES. ".. YHWH, HIS & MINE has I AM THAT I AN in common.." Why compare "carnal" thgs to "Spiritual?"
Jesus spoke thru Paul as evidenced by Script & u deny?
NO ONE "ever" baptzd as Matt 28:19 i
Elijah, we are only saved if we endure till the end, and not before and none of us can know if we will be able to endure
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
When anyone goes through the metamorphosis by living separated from the world Joh 38, without attachments Mat 19:29, purified understanding Dan 12:10 & obtain the powers Yoshua demonstrated Joh 14:12 they know they'll know they're saved.
According to Scripture, there's not enough "enduring until the end" (N WRONG GOSPEL) nor "separating one's self fm the world" that will save! Only the gospel of Christ! Gal 1:6-9! After Day of Pentecost gospel or NO SALVATION!
NW, why do the want to be wise ignore the gospel of (came from) christ for the gospel of (came from) Paul?
What u fail to realize or BELIEVE is the WORD! Jer 31:33;Heb 8:10;10:16 said HE (HS/JESUS) would put HIS laws n Paul's (& disciples) hearts & minds which makes Paul's (& disciples) teachings/writings directly fm GOD! II Tim 3:16!
You don't understand, Paul's words are not written in your heart and inward parts, they are written in an outward thing which nullifies your statement.
You don't blv GOD spoke in Jer 31:33;Heb 8:10;10:16? Did He LIE? What part of Scriptures do you not understand? If HE said IT-IT'S DONE! AND HE DID via Comforter Sent (Acts 2:2)! U don't want to understand but it's TRUE! Progression v complacency!
Jer 31:34, Wy are you teaching how to know HS? Is it because it is not written in you so you don't know what NOT TO DO?
"I" am NOT teaching Knowing the Holy Spirit for "Only HE" can reveal Himself unto 1! I'm planting seed (& proving from Scripture) what 1 MUST do to rec SALVATION due to their misinterpretation of Bible!
KNOWING Him & Knowing OF Him r entirel
Then why have you posted Jer 31:33 at least 10 times then tell me to follow HS by following Paul? Are you a hypocrite of just ignorant of what is written means?
Eli: That's what I'm trying to get u to realize! "You are ignorant of what it really means!" SPIRITUAL!
HS (JESUS) talked THRU Paul! When Paul talked, It came fm JESUS (HS)! SPIRITUAL so says Jer 31:33; Heb 8:10;10:16!
Rem Jn 4:24? It's TRUE!
I never known Jesus to get upset and call people fools. But you show what tree you come from and it is rotten. Do not post to me again.
Since you can not have a decent comment with out insults .not christian.
Because you don't KNOW JESUS! READ Matt 23! HE even called Peter "SATAN" (Matt 16:23)! These LYING "RELIGIONS" have u guys TWISTED!
Jworg Is a great library even if you are of another belief because it has basic bible reading , you can even listen to the bible Audio.
Look into it to see if you can use it. It is free, it also has bible translations of more then one to compare
Thank you Kiss
You are welcome , I so appreciate your gift and knowledge of Hebrew and Greek and I know you will find Jworg library will be a wonderful tool in research materials , many subjects have already been translated from Hebrew and Greek language.
Mara: Yes, we must "continue w/God all the way," but continue in "rightly divided Word" (After the Cross/stake, etc.) or will be lost! Acts 2:42. Gal 1:6-9!
To CP , Babylon
Daniel 2:32, 36-38; 7:4
607 B.C.E. King Nebuchadnezzar destroys Jerusalem
The bear representing the Medo-Persian Empire
Daniel 2:32, 39; 7:5
539 B.C.E. Conquers Babylon
537 B.C.E. Cyrus decrees return of Jews to Jerusalem
You started reading the Bible and decided that it was right for you? Really? I mean - not to knock your decision or anything - but in doing comparative religion and salvation, you could have gone in a less judgmental path - like Buddhism.
To Chris what is judgemental and how do you say I started to read the bible and became , not so. What about people that are blind, and can not read ? They believe. The point is the message of God is for everyone
and the truth must be told,
Let's all remember that the king Jesus brought the kingdom of God back to us and it's only thru him that we can get in it and by submitting under his teachings and believing in him, we get born again in this country thereby we get saved.
BS: Yes, "by submitting under his teachings and believing in him," but it is MANDATORY that His Word be "rightly divided!" We NOW live under NC of Grace & Truth, "Observing" what the apostles did as commanded (Matt 28:20); Otherwise, no SALVATI
Just using your space MS , we can not overlook.
Re 3:5The one who conquers will thus be dressed in white garments, and I will by no means blot out his name from the book of life, but I will acknowledge ,
A name can be removed from the book of life
K&T: ONLY "...the ones who conquer..." meaning "believing" on His "rightly divided" Word which is under the NC acknowledging His OMNIPRESENT Power! Otherwise - Gal 1:6-9!
sounds more like do not commit suicide but suffer to live until the end instead. Have the will to live and you are saved, by yourself.
Pole: Sounds like a "miserable life" if response sounds like "do not commit suicide but suffer to live until the end.." to you? You contemplating suicide?
No! Try Jesus! Matt 11:30. Benefits: Peace, joy, love, enjoying life!
Ur not Scriptual!
Poleflux I don't know how you get suicide out of that. It means to live for God until the end. The end of our personal life here on earth. Endure means to keep overcoming sin/Satan because it is a battle for some
Suicide is giving up not enduring
@Eli:U have more time than most to "Study!"Jer 31:33; Heb8:10;10:16 told us put laws in hearts & minds Jn14:26 promised HS which came in Acts 2:2 & began doing that! After 1st CHURCH estab in Acts they ONLY baptzd in Jesus' NAME! Not Paul but
NW, I don't need to study, HS tells me from my heart what to do. That's why I wonder why you are telling me HS speaks to born again people through their hearts. I've been listening to HS since my 1973 conception. Talk about something you experienced.
Eli: How do u no the HS is not talking THRU me to you? II Tim 2:15 tells u to "STUDY!" I didn't say it Jer 31:33; Heb 8:10;10:16 told u it's HS!
The "Gospel of Christ" is "PROGRESSIVE not COMPLACENT! We are "GROWING N 2 HIS LIKENESS" II Cor 3:18
When one is born again with testimony of conception, gestation, trivial birth and levels of growth they know because the Comforter makes us know. Those claiming new birth without a testimony can not know even when the savior comes.
Eli: You're MISSING the WHOLE POINT of SALVATION! The "New Covenant" which He "Promised" to "help us" get back to Him! Promised: Jer 31:31-33; Heb 8:10 & 10:16! How "write" Jn 14:26;16:13. When did "Promise" come Acts 2:2 when orig"CHURCH"was es
What I do know is that if I'm quiet enough, I become aware of a being inside my chest that screams I AM
And I do know that when I had a picture of my aura taken, I had a halo.
Beyond that, as far as I can tell, I'm a regular human with odd habits
Josh we all are, special , the very special gifts the heavenly Father shares with us like the earth , the heaven's, even fellow humans
so we are never alone , makes us want to know him in a personal way , we have nothing good that he did not give.
Everyone is special to me. While there's much I can do, I'm more impressed by what others come up with when they believe in themselves. I don't want to see anybody suffer. Ever. But I suffer when people want me all to themselves.
How interesting that people want you all to them self and you suffer from that , you should not be suffering , maybe something is not normal here. Love is about happiness
Let's say I'm not great at being a husband to a jealous wife. I have a history of letting lust get the better of me. I am, after all, still a human. Something I've been working on.
Josh you must remember when you make a promise you must keep it that is a man and a word is his vow,you not only vowed to her , but to God. This is serious, if some one promised you five thousand dollars you would expect it with out a second thought
Actually, I forgive others of their debts. That is a big part of why I have no money. Also, if breaking a marriage vow means you are not saved, I am not saved. I suppose I'll burn in a lake of fire now. Oh well. Why am I still trying? I must be crazy
Wonderful you are a forgiver and you can be forgiven as well , but you do not have to repeat the wrong , you learn from it and pursue the right way to live. You will have a peace of mind knowing you are doing the right thing.
You'd think so wouldn't you? Yet I am far from being at peace. I'm barely able to function anymore. As a person. That's why I've been trying so hard to get out of this body.
If this is the case you need to seriously pray to Jehovah for a release. They can not and will not stand before his presence. Ro 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” This is the cure and this is the way.
I did. still here. Now go look at this 'new covenant' I just read. If I am who I was told I am, I am required to allow a particular race to do whatever it wants at the expense of all others. And Norine, I'm NOT looking for a date. Get over yourself
Who told you who you are ?
Oh, you'll see. Adios!
Josh I am waiting for your answer who told you that you are as question, I do not doubt it but if you bring it up then finish your statement.
Will you tell me how I am missing the point when I am already back with our father? The Comforter is guiding my life within my heart where I look to get instructions so what more do I need?
Eli: Well the Comforter has "guided" u to me to inform you of how He came into being! Jn 14:26;16:13. He (HS/Comforter) was sent as part of the pkg deal of the NC (Jer & Heb)! And to tell u ALL should live under NC "AFTER" Acts for SALVATION!
You have that reversed, You are brought to me for you to know once you can hear the comforter you will follow Isa 7:14:-22 & Jon 3:8 to enter Eden / millennium. I am more advanced than you in hearing the comforter, you're playing catch up.
Eli: "Least any "man" should "BOAST?" Eph 2:8-9 Look @ ur comforter! Do you know the POWER of the HS? Catch up? Did Paul have to catch up after being placed on straight street? Acts 9:11 Who is ur comforter? Ur NEVER too OLD to learn! Acts 17:11
Yes NW, I know HS's power, that's why I'm alive today, snake bite nor poison killed me so how do you think I'm alive. I'm doing things as HP directs. I know when I will be an adult with "all power in heaven and earth" (John 14:12) so I'm caught up.
Eli: What do u mean you're "doing things as HP directs?"
If u no Pwr of HS, then u no neither Paul nor I "got this fm man!" It's in His Word but no one cares about Christ DYING, if they did they'd follow instructions for SALVATION "AFTER THE CROS!
Your arguments, NW, even using the scriptures you use, are doss, it is not refined wisdom.
Eli: Did Jesus not come, DIE for our sins, sent HS to help us under NC of grace and truth (where we live TODAY) yet u say "not refined WISDOM?" Not it isn't but THE WORD OF GOD! "Wisdom" v. WORD - I choose WORD!
There are 66 books of your scripture painting a grand picture by using metaphors, different stories, to revival certain truths. You focuses on one story and don't see how it fit into the whole. "For" also means "because of," not just "instead of."
Eli: ALL better "focus on" why He died (only taught "the blood for our sins") yet not "Promise" of HS under NC!
W/O that (HS) we'd have no communication with Him!
He told us to "OBSERVE" the apostles, yet ALL say "I'm not, not Jesus!" ??
I'm concerned about enough man living to replenish this earth, not the Out of Body Experience [OBE} of one boy. Keep teaching look back,understand nothing, I teach live in the now, learn the future to be Biblically saved and not religiously saved.
Eli: I am also concerned no one is lost! What "Out of Body Experience [OBE} of one boy?"
2 Cor 4:3-4!
No one will "be SAVED" if they do not do what Jesus died for under the NC! Did Christ DIE in vain? Sent HS but who cares?
Understanding the prophecies you know none are lost, 5 of the 10 virgins survives this world's ending. The 10=% of the end's population, 5% saved & 5 becomes Dead in Christ (Rev 14:13) replacements of Rev 6:9-11's to be born in the millennium.
Eli: "..none are lost?" What bible r u reading?
The Word of God is not a math problem for "YOU" to try & figure out what GOD is going to do!
Your job is to search the Scriptures for SALVATION!
If "none are lost," why Jesus?
Read with understanding of the prophecies in th eKJV or any of the others translations and you will find it.
Eli: Then why r u "wasting your time" living as you do "if none will be lost?" Get back out there & join the world!
You do not believe in SALVATION? It appears that way for if "none are lost," we don't need SALVATION!
It's not my choice, I am chosen (Jew) as the last prophet Elijah instructing how to survive civilization's end. Lost: continuing to reincarnate in this lake of fire [burning desires for material things] civilization is but all will become jews.
Eli: How can u be "prophet" & not follow Jesus' instructions thru Paul? Jesus said He'd tell Paul what to tell us via HS!
Jesus came, DIED, sent HS under NC, left instructions for us to "observe," & u don't believe yet a "prophet?" Lk 6:46
YHWH's instructions in Matthew 17:5 were "this is my beloved son heard you him" but people do not recognize it because they don't associate it with Exo 4:6-8.
Eli: Matt OMNIPRESENT!
Exd: If you don't believe Gal 1:6-9 applies! "ACCURSED!" "Associate" that with Exodus!
NW, Why don't you believe John 3;8, Matthew 12:39-40, 19:28-29 & 24:13 and a host of other teachings by Yoshua? Why is Paul, who is not the latter sign, your messiah rather than the ones sent by YHWH? Compared.
Paul told us (via Jesus/HS) what we MUST do for SALVATION My Messiah (Jesus) spoke thru Paul & if JESUS speaks, be it thru a jackass, I listen!
Didn’t Matt 28:19 say “Observe?” Acts 2:42 Rev 21:14 say “apostles names’ on foundations?" Eph 2:20
Norine simple Jesus was contained to the earth , when the Father can not be held by what he has created. That is like you take a sheet of paper and draw a house on it , can you live in the house you drew on paper literal. No , you can not fit space.
K&T U known u don't blv in God!~ You blv what u've been "taught!" Jn 1:10 is true, & in WORD! If u want to cont w/tradition, it's ur soul! I've told u! My hands are clean! But TRUTH is TRUTH! All thgs are possible w/GOD! He fills ALL.Can't co
Norine simple King James VersionJoh 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do.Arise, let us go hence.
Simple he loves the Father and the Father gives him commands, two are different
K&T: What 2? Eph 4:4-6! ONE SPIRIT! That SPIRIT is the ALMIGHTY GOD who can be ANYPLACE in ANY FORM simultaneously since you don't like the word OMNIPRESENT!
Until you accept that He is GOD (ALL PWR), u will NEVER understand!
Mara you speak truth, thanks , because at King James Version
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
K&T: God have mercy on you! Is this Christian action? Continue showing "your fruit!" As if still "in time past!"
I know! You didn't address me! Sharp?
NO! God Sees ALL Knows ALL!
Keep "digging your ditch!"
Mat 7:13- 21 simply proves all is not saved .only few have it right just like the days of Noah . Many will say Lord as they know the spiritual things of God but he will reject them. So that is not true onced saved always.All not in the book of life
Whosoever is born of God doth not sin (remember sin no more) for his seed REMAINETH in him: & he cannot sin, bcuz he is born of God (I Jn 3:9). U r I don't known who's in the Bk of Life! How mercy on whom He pls (Rm9:15). "Right" by FAITH (Rm3:2
Rev 3:5 Fool! What does this have to do w/ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED? (v2) "not perfect" (v5) won't blot out & confessing to Father (SAVED)!
We have to get to know what the "Will of the Lord" is before we can begin to walk upright! What decisions? It's His way or no way! Then u know u r in Him & saved!
To Norine the crown of life is only given if you prove faithful to death.
Or whatever test satan will cause you to answer to.
Like Judas his weakness was money satan used him and his weakness against Jesus and the Heavenly Father.
K&T: "Faithfulness" in what? If pagan doctrine, nothing! Satan is not the Word of God which I have only given! Let's not discuss Judas for he confessed & repented & someone had to be used to fulfill Script! Jn 21:22
Norine Judas volunteered to be used for that betrayal, the religious leaders already plotted to kill Jesus and Phophesy would happen based on that alone. But the bible says Lu 22:3 Then Satan entered into Judas,
Judas had a good heart from the start
K&T: Judas didn't volunteer. He was told to "go quickly" by Jesus who "allowed" Satan to enter! What does that have to do w/salvation?Jn 21:22 Study the "history" of those Scriptures Matt 28:19 & I Jn 5:7-8!
EA , those scriptures you have to remember was written during the time of the first Deciples, these would be first pics of the Heavenly Government,
They can not be fleshly and work in heaven
They would have to have spirit bodies.
Word: I John 5:13! "...that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life..." We "know!"
Daniel 2:33, 41-43
1914-1918 C.E. During World War I, Anglo-American World Power comes into being
This is valid history not just in the bible but in our history books as well, today we live in the Anglo American world powers. Truth!
K&T: If saved, you know what to do! For He "SEES ALL!"
Norine, you may have faith that you will be saved in this minute, but that's all
These people probably thought they were saved too Matt 7
22 .. Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done
I guess I John 5:13 LIED! "... that ye may KNOW that you have eternal life..." You may not KNOW but I do in this minute & always! For I do His will according to "rightly divided" Scripture! Not "religion!"
I agree, CP, actually, faith requires one to find evidence & substance in support of their beliefs, thus, they are calling "blind belief" faith instead of what the Bible, Hebrews 11:1 say its work require.
Eli & Chris: I guess I John 5:13 lied? "These thgs have I written unto u that blv on the name (JESUS) of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, & that ye may blv on the name (JESUS) of the Son of God." We do "know!"
When I hear Bible verses used to validate its own source as fact, it makes me crazy. Why? Because to me it's a work of fiction. My answer is a philosophical one. A FAITH BASED religion is just that. Faith in what you believe and in salvation.
Chris: Faith in "what He said!" Not our understanding or beliefs! (Prov 3:5). We "know" bcuz I Jn 5:13 says so! II Tim 3:16 says we should "give Scripture" "...for reproof, for correction..."
Chris it is by more then faith that people believe , faith comes after the proof that you have a sound reason to believe.Scriptures work with that proof, consider what proof is there a list I will help you with, because of space I will list your name
NW, When one believes something in their heart they go to any limit to prove it. When one say they believe and do nothing to prove it they are a liar.
Eli: Again, I give Scripture & if that is not enough "proof," then??? NC=Grace! Do as apostles did or no "Salvation" according to Scripture (Galatians 1:6-9; Acts 2:2). That is the dispensation in which we live (NC/Grace/Apostles' doctrine) or "A
The definition of faith.
Faith - complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
synonyms:trust, belief, confidence, conviction; 2.strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
Chris P, would you say that you as example say a in a company you want to work for ,
You have evidence the company exist , but
You put faith after the evidence that you can be hired and get paid. The point is people have something as evidence .
And definition of knowledge
1.facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.
2.awareness or familiarity gained by experience of a fact or situation.
CP, faith is education, objectively observing, participating as needed, reasoning with the outcomes while being able to explain the findings. Knowledge is being conscious of the existence of while faith reveals purposes & understanding of.
Actually Eli, what you described is the opposite of faith. Knowledge is fact - like I'm sitting here typing the sentence "Knowledge is fact." I've quoted the dictionary - the common key to what we use in the English language.
CP, goves controls dictionaries, misdefine words to control people. Wisdom destroys governments, they control schooling, disallows education & send a flood of ignorance to prevent man's becoming wise. 1 can't accept all dictionary definitions.
I've decided that the explanations I need to give to common language is too much for a place with limited character length. So I wrote a hub to this -
Chris:If Script says "know" n I John 5:13, then so! If one blvs (faith) then they "know"which produces "proof" or "supernatural actions!" Education "kills" faith! It was taking me where u r! MA in Theology I dropped out!Let faith cont n ur
If PEOPLE say "know" they mean knowledge. If PEOPLE say "believe" they mean faith. She did not ask what scripture says. She asked how do YOU KNOW. And you don't. You must believe.
Chris: After "supernatural experiences" we KNOW & have PROOF! The greater the "faith," the greater the experiences or proof!
This is a "spiritual" journey which is beyond "knowledge!" Grow - "spiritually!"
NW, not understanding - going from the top through and exiting the bottom - supernatural experiences leeds to wisdom/spirituality one knows nothing except they have had the experience. Written, in all your getting get understanding, not knowledge.
Eli: Man's "knowledge" DOES NOT equate to "understanding" from HS! Don't u agree?
"Spiritual understanding" is FAR ABOVE "man's knowledge!" Don't u agree?
If one has experienced (seen) wouldn't they KNOW?
NW, Wisdom IS NOT man's knowledge, man does not usually encourage obtaining wisdom as it will destroy civilization, that was why Yoshua discarnated, the world loved its order rather than understanding life as man do today.
Eli: Man assoc"knowledge" w/"wisdom!" However, we KNOW that HS gives "understanding" which is FAR ABOVE man's "knowledge," or their def of "wisdom!"
Prov 4:7 "Wisdom comes fm studying Script not books; "understanding" IT comes fm HS!
NW, understanding = going from the top through to the bottom to comprehend the entire subject matter. Wisdom
= knowing cause, effects, consequences & purpose by understanding's definition. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom (Pro 9:10
Eli: Yes, NO ONE FEARS! Otherwise, we would do as commanded in the dispensation in which we NOW live-NC-GRACE & TRUTH baptzing in the NAME of Lord Jesus! KNOWING He is "I AM!" (F>S>HS as well)
Eli: The best "comment" you've made! Not speaking "against" the Gospel of Christ! Study!
Everybody is not in union with Christ.the reason he said the word (those ) because he seperates the ones not. All people are not in the book of life. All are notJesus followers just because you or anyone including me believe it .not our Judgment.
True! Especially IF they don't live under New Covenant, The Gospel of Christ as JESUS died for (Galatians 1:6-9)!!
Also you say the word of God does not align with Government,
What is a Kingdom then, it is a Government. Look the word up.
You are telling people when you know so little, yet you do not want truth spoken because of your ego. Plain to see.
K&T U call it "ego" I call it Script Prov 281! I'm not ashamed of the gospel of Christ Rm 1:16! New heaven & earth is ALL Spiritiual & Jesus reigns! Spirit on One accord with One Mind, not like gov as we know it! Lk 17:20-21.The Spirit ru
Example your voice makes judgment about baptism, but you do not know rather I am or not , but you voice a judgment of criticism. You keep stating one not believing in New Covenant. You voice wrong.
Scriptures you use is out of context with subject
K&T: Well, corr me! Do u blv in baptzing in Jesus' Name? Do u blv in recving the gift of the HS? Do u blv Jesus (HS) talked thru the Apostles telling us whats for salvation? I'm not ashamed of the gospel & am bold as a lion when discusing out
Simple I will answer the question I believe in Jehovah is the Father of all creation and his son Jesus was beside the Father when all things were created, even he having a part . The holy spirit is GOD'S power he uses
in action. To get things done
K&T: U didn't answer any of my questions? Read again! U just told me u blv there is a Father>Son>HS but didn't say they are ONE!
Norine I have a relationship working with my heavenly Father,
I have for a long time and I do not feel that you or anyone can judge that from their views, especially not on from a computer.
I am happy and content with the truth I know.
K&T: U will be asked of this one day! Complacent? Reprobate mind? I Cor 2:14; Heb 5:12; I Cor 1:18
Using scriptures again to say what you wish, I am happy with the the real understanding , you can consider what has been said maybe you will find truth.
K&T: If u STDY, maybe u will find truth! .Jer 31:33;Heb8:10;10:16;How Jn 14:26;16:13; WhenActs 2:2;then they only baptzd in Jesus' name under New Cov! Script is all I have! TRUTH! Acts 17:11. Can u do that?
EA I am , is a statement name , it represents action,
Like if I say you are I am , I am What somebody would say.
Jehovah's name means he causes to become. True we are humans who have become the living with his power.
Alive as his creations.
K&T: If Jehovah's name means he causes to become," (does that not mean He causes ALL to become), & did He not manifest Himself in flesh under the NAME Jesus Christ in the dispensation in which we now live? Move into the NEW Dispensation under
Norine you are defending your opinion not explaining the scripture.
What Does That Scripture Say , Jesus can not do things the Father can, simple, Jesus is not the Father, until you can accept truth that is spoken no need to post to me.
K&T: Jesus was not operating (at that location but in ALL locations) in the Glory of the Father when speaking to her re:her sons. See response under tlmc! JESUS is Jehovah (becomes ALL) & is ALL! Father>Son>HS too!
Norine Jesus is not Jehovah , because if that was the case he could tell them where to sit ,he said it was not his to give.
You refuse to accept what is written, we can not talk based on that and prior subjects. Do not waste your time with me
K&T: He couldn't tell in the Glory He was n at that time (Jesus Christ)! But rem Jehovah means "becomes ALL" and that's precisely what He does! IS ALL="I AM"=Jehovah=God=Jesus! ALL ONE! Stop reading the ltr & thk in Spirit not father&son
Norine that is just it I have always given scripture even in your case, to say this is wrong is saying scriptures are wrong .
You are not scriptural but you are about your own teaching . SAD.
K&T: If u don't think GOD can do anything, u r SAD! He's OMNIPRESENT & that's what u can't comprehend for ur "teachings" blocks it! What is "anything" that blocks God? Need I ask?
only 1 true death eternal which is 2 B forgotten of by GOD There is No New Covenant Only a Pardon or [Correction]Salvation is By GOD's Grace only jhn3:16 KJ for GOD so Loved the WORLD...He Gave His Only Begotten Son that Whosoever believe upon...HIM.
Don: Bible lied then! Jer 31:33;Heb8:10;10:16 speaks of New Covenant! Ppl say they live under grace but dont no how, when, where, it became effective! Read those scriptures & you will see what Jesus said!
Also Monica the holy spirit is not a person, it is mention many times because it is God's active force and power , like when he sent his power the people in the room begin to speak in different languages without being educated in that language.
K&T: How can Spirit be a "person?" Did u notice the word Spirit?
Jn 14:26 says the Comforter was sent IN JESUS' NAME; so Holy SPIRIT has a Name & that Name is JESUS!
Jesus IS NOT person but SPIRIT (OMNIPRESENT)!
Holy Spirit has NAME (Jn
Norine you are mixing them up. King James Version
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Jesus is not the Father he was a first born Angelic son
As written yes even with a Spirit body under the name Micheal.
K&T: You continue to say "don't believe in the trinity" yet continue to use trinitarian language. Beings? Person?
God is SPIRIT! Col 1:15 How can u be "in the image of God" who is SPIRIT? Characteristics!
He "created" ALL even Himself!
Re 2:10 Do not be afraid of the things you are about to suffer. Look! The Devil will keep on throwing some of you into prison so that you may be fully put to the test, "Prove yourself faithful even to death, and I will give you the crown of life
NW, 1 can't walk in the light until Comforter taught (Isa 28:9 Joh 14:26). The light is comprehending the messages in everything in existence, not only the book called Bible (Joh 21:25).
K&T: Mk3:23-24 Can Satan cast out Satan? F>S>HS pagan god yet u don't blv in Jesus' name baptzm? Wont say-dont blv!Rm10:10/Eli:Yes, only God gives inc I Cor 3:6-7;What other bk gives salvation? II Cor 4:18!
2 Cor 18, The seen things give substance and evidence of things not seen (Heb 11:1 & Rom 1:20) so we must see with understanding as revealed by the comforter the made to comprehend the unseen.
Eli Why is everyone so Spiritually immature?Tradition?Complacent? I DID NOT WRITE SCRIPT! Yes,HS can only reveal but STUDY! PRAY w/open mind & heart! Be not deceived! Read Jer & Heb Scripts below!Gal 1:6-9
Few people know being spiritual means one has understanding of most things and growing toward comprehending the purpose behind all things, that is why most are so "Immature, Tradition and Complacent."
Eli: Wrong! Immature Re: govt religion, complacentcy, not studying TRUTH, reprobate mind, hardened heart! Satan's laughing! He's winninng & ALL think it's THE SPIRIT when its the spirit! II Thess 2:11!
Thank you he ho judges although instructed not to judge.
Tlmc 1Sa 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
As written obedience is important
K&T: We don't need the Holy Spirit then if WE can be saved thru our own "self effort!" Sounds like "the law" to me! HS is "the voice of the Lord" which "leads & guides us" least any man should boast!" Eph 2:9!
Why'd Yoshua say man must be born of the spirit (Jn 3:1-8)? Why did John say everyone born of god - which is spirit and can only be worshipped in spirit and truth - sins not (1 JN 3:9)? Scriptures reveals it's spirit or comfort's doing the saving.
Eli How can u say NC is "man-made" which Christ died for & IS WRITTEN? If in Script,& u blv not, then the spirit w/in u is not of God! Just bcuz u r recently exposed to new rev does not make it untrue! Study! Why do u thk God place ppl n our
To Phenix I just wanted to add a subject of thought about Moses
Even in the ten commandments Moses was a young man in Pharaoh's
House, yet it was not until he had left Egypt and herded sheep and aged when God approach him, the point is he knows time
Yoshya's death was for everyone willing to follow his example to have everlasting life as he demonstrated. The covenant man teaches is not allowing anyone to ascend like he did therefore what man are teaching as the NC is man made.
Eli: Did u read Jer 31:33; Heb 8:10;10:16? I didn't make up the term "NC," Jesus said it! Why do u insist God's Word man-made? Blasphemy! Just bcuz u r complacent is no justification to rule out HIS WORD as "man-made!" Blasphemy! Did u read?
Did you read Ecc 1:9, "there's nothing new under the sun" meaning the reason it appears as a New Covenant is because people don't know the covenant always come from within so it appears new when they discover it.
Eli: If NC is w/in have u been baptzd according to how IT told u to be after it went into effect? I've known NC in Scripture all my life & told us to be baptzd in Jesus' name. Have u done this?
That has nothing to do with being saved but, at age 4 I asked my mother to allow me to be baptized. I knew not the holy spirit until my new conceptions 1973, 25 years later. One goes under, gets wet but nothing changes, with the "Rebirth" it does.
Eli: So u don't blv in water baptism at all although it's throughout Scripture and even Jesus was baptzd? I don't follow? U don't "live" Scripture? Is Scripture not an example of what we should do?
Reread my last post, it tells you.
The scripture I ask her to explain is similar to sit at my right hand, because if he is sitting at his right hand the Father is on his left .
If he was all one he would only need one seat.
My scripture was Mt 20:23 , shows Jesus under the Father.
Eli: Too many! U tell me! K&T: "Symbolic!" Don't u know this is a "Spiritual" journey?Jn 4:23-24. Stop jumping fm "Spiritual" to "carnal!" ALWAYS "look" w/Spiritual eyes when reading/studying Scripture!
The post just above the one I responded to. If you can read you would know what I believe.
Eli: Re:Baptzm I asked if u've been baptzd in Jesus' Name & u said "That has nothing to do with being saved.." which contradicts I Pet 3:21! I can read! Can u & again I ask "How were u baptzd?" Acts 19:3-5
Were you baptized in Jesus' name, if so which one, Yoshua or Elijah?
Eli: According to Acts 2:38; 19:5; according to how they did when "The First Church" was established; under New Covenant; according to Scripture! What about u?
You didn't tell me which name of Jesus, Yoshua or Elijah?
Eli: U can call Him anything u want, but I JESUS! There is only ONE JESUS! Breaking down His Glories by diff names doesn't chg His Name! He has died, risen & "NOW" Phil 2:9-11.U still didn't answer my question: In what name were u baptzd?
NW, if only you would read with understanding the Bible you not be regurgitating what some man has conditioned you to believe. Read the book objectively, participate in what it say do, reason with the outcomes and become wise to its meaning.
Eli: I have! Bible OT Prophesied coming, He came, DIED, left Holy Spirit for us & told us what to do to be saved under New Covenant. No "MAN" gave me those scriptures. NC revealed during study! Ppl say under NC but don't no how, when, where, effe
Stop regurgitating what man is telling you then read and comprehend the prophecies of both old and new testaments for yourself. I heard what you are saying, if you are younger than 60, before you were born.
Eli: Stop saying "MAN" told me this when Jer 31:31-33;Heb8:10;10:16 speaks of NC! What MAN? Scriptures fm WORD OF GOD! OT Jesus CONCEALED, NT Jesus REVEALED! What does age have to do w/it?
Ok then, your selective reading of what is written and not understanding what you read because of your lack of the Comforter which prevents you from following the tradition of the origination called church.
Eli: Do u live under NC-Grace? How did it become eff? "Select" those script & u will come to Jer & Heb, Jn 14:26;16:13; Acts 2:2! Read those as JESUS wrote His laws on Paul's heart & told u what to do to be SAVED! THE "CHURCH" is in Acts!
The NEW BIRTH is the NEW COVENANT, one cannot read their heart without being born again leading them to follow the grace and example in Isa 7:14-22. The reborn are the virgin, by rebirth they are the child (Rev 12:5). See my Hub Revelation 12
Eli: Under NC ("After those days," immed after JESUS ascended), THE "CHURCH" was estab & JESUS cont'd talking thru Paul & disciples telling us what to do for SALVATION! Not only "born again" but EVERYTHING! Read "AFTER THOSE DAYS.." in Acts
SO Yoshua lied when he said the holy spirit/comforter would bring all things [written on our hearts] to our remembrance? Why would he need Paul & disciples? THOSE DAYS are after the organized church's time, the time terminating the world, NOW.
Eli: Don't u know Paul was "a vessel" used by JESUS to tell us ALL things "AFTER THOSE DAYS" as with John & the rest of apostles? JESUS cont'd the majority of his gospel thru PAUL! He uses "man" in script too to tell TRUTH which MUST be fm bible
Do you know YHWH called Nebuchadnezzar his servant in Jeremiah 27:6? Doesn't that mean he was obedient to YHWH? Does Israel believe him to be a servant of YHWH? So what Paul was "a vessel" used by JESUS, I'm used by his father but do you hear me?
Eli: We are really at an impasse! I & MY Father r ONE! Haven't u heard? He is His Father! God was "manifested in the flesh!" Who do u thk Jesus is God's little boy? Matt 28:18? ALL PWR? Where was God? Asleep?
I'm 1 with father, NW. Don't you realize all spirit born are 1 with YHVH (1 Jn 3:9), have followed Isa 7:14-22 in preparing to reenter the Eden (Gen 3:24) millennium (Rev 20:4) to replenish earth for Rev 21's world? That's the Bible's message.
Eli: U didn't answer my question! Matt 28:18 "ALL POWER!" Then where was God?
Since this is a "Spiritual" walk, u agree that there is ONE Spirit & that ONE Spirit was on earth while in heaven also?
You see, Jesus is God!
Why talk about Rev
I see no ? concerning Mat 28:18 but when I become a spiritual adult I will have all power in heaven and earth per Jo 14:12. The quickness with the disciples and Paul was so organized church could reach the Laodicean signaling the world's end is here.
Eli: U should for JESUS said "ALL PWR" was given Him in Matt 28:18! My question is: If "ALL PWR" was given to JESUS, where was GOD? PAUL stood n Jesus' Stead & told us what's to be done for SALVATION! Gal 1:6-9. Follow "gospel" as Paul (JESUS) ta
Paul didn't stand in Jesus' stead, he established churches for Rev 2 & 3's prophecy. 4:1 say after the church era come the end. All saved adult must have "all power in heaven and earth" to live in Armageddon, none adults, foolish virgins, cannot
Eli: WORD "Inspired by God" and not God? Paul wrote majority of Word in NT (God)! Yes He estab Churches but wrote to us (the Church) as well! Yet we don't live following His Words under NC? Don't you see a problem with "believers" beliefs?
The problem with believers beliefs, they don't have faith to find substance and evidence (Heb 11:1) for changing beliefs into knowledge and reasoning knowledge into wisdom. HS showed me evidence and substance that change what I say and do to wisdom.
Eli: I wonder about that holy spirit you speak of?
If you ask "me" to justify why "GOD" did something, where did you get that holy spirit from?
Think about that!
This is Burger King, have it your way and reap discarnating, have it HS's way and reap everlasting life. Have it your way or HS's way, the choice is already made that this isn't your time to be biblically saved.
Eli: Did Jesus not say to OBSERVE apostles? Matt 28:19
After 1st Church est, did the Christ followers (disciples) not do as apostles did? Acts 2:42
If any want to be SAVED, they MUST do as apostles did! NC is why Jesus came to lv HS to help us!
No, he said observe all things and, in 7:1, without judging any of your observations. I know I'll survive this world's end so I know I'm saved, that's why I'm learning to live like those man in Genesis 1:26-29. .
Ephesians 2:8 "For it is by grace you have been saved, "through faith"--and this is "not from yourselves", it is the gift of God".
means no matter how many good things you do if Jesus Christ is not living in you those things are meaningless.
That means if you are not Jew to survive the world and learn, via the holy spirit, to follow Isaiah 7:14-22 the holy spirit nor comforted will not be living in us. Grace is to do good and evil to find their purposes as Isa 7:15-16 indicates, MK
ANYONE that doesn’t OBSERVE what Jesus told the apostles to tell us, is ACCURSED & not SAVED, so says Scripture! Gal 1:6-9
MK: No. It means that if you aren't "observing" apostles, no “grace” for it is only "a gift" to those that do! Gal 1:6-9
Monica ,you can read Heb 10:12( sat down at right hand of God.)
Rev 14:1 says
Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion,and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads
Only two names written
Correct, K&T, I don't see it saying Paul no place except where he wrote Gal 1:6-9. Paul appears to be more important than Yoshua to NW. I prefer to believe the sender and not the sent is why I go to YHWH instead of Yoshua.
K&T: "Right Hand" = metaphor = righteousness! God is SPIRIT! Rev 14:1 ONE SPIRIT! His Name & the Name of His Father "SAME" = JESUS! GOD who is ONE SPIRIT is His Father, entered Mary & Fathered Himself! ONE SPIRIT! Eph 4:4-6!
Why is "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" written? "And of" means there is a name common to all 3, YHWH is father, Yosh=YHWH in Yoshua & Yehu=YHWH in Eliyehu (Elijah). That's the name common to all 3, I go to fathe
Eli: Not "originally" in Scripture! Research it! STUDY! Satan is "laughing!"
"And of" means there is a name common to all 3!" TRUE - JESUS! Jn 1:10
Norine your scripture does not support your words , nore does this word exist in scripture but you use it like it does, false application , and false meaning, if this was true the Angel would say God will be born in marry . No such thing.
K&T: When did Script become mine? Script doesn't speak "literally!" If so, u wouldn't need HS who shows "hidden mystery!" 2 Cor 4:3-4. It's our job to "STUDY" praying for revelation & not "dismiss" when told!
Lying dominant in some but OMNI
Jesus use the example of Noahs day to ours as people eating , drinking, marrying, till they took no notice and died in the flood so it will be during Jesus presence. So 8 souls survived a deludge on the Ark.Again only a few are believing the truth.
Who JW'S? NOT!
Any cult worshiping angels (Col 2:18; Rev 22:8-9) is against Scripture! Any cult that doesn't believe Jesus is God is against Scripture(I Cor 12+MORE)!
"UNBELIEVER" is as an atheist to GOD!
"DEPART,I never knew u" (Matt 7:21-23)!
DT: Amen! Pray for them!
You believe in New Covenant & the Gospel of Christ? Acts 2:42? Gal 1:6-9!
Norine, absolutely. I appreciate your comments here. We should be ready in and out of season to defend the hope that lies within us. You are doing a great job.
It is not me Diane! I have been "anointed" to teach the gospel. When someone responds, Jesus "brings Scripture to my remembrance" telling me what to tell ALL.
I love "Walking in the Spirit!"
Also Norine who is the ministry about ? Jesus , I Know THE Difference
In who and what I represent. It is not about me , it is about the Heavenly Father Jehovah , and his son Jesus.
There is no shame in that.
And that is what matters.
KK&T: U know the diff? What's in His Word re: your beliefs? I Pet 3:15 "..be ready ALWAYS to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you, with meekness & fear" Did you hear that? Meekness & fear! So why
The point Norine you use the bible to your advantage of words .
To say what you want.
K&T: I "prove" my belief with Script II Tm 3:16 says to & u should too! That's what Script is for to come to "truth" in His Word for salvation! Isn't that what it's all about? The end? To be saved? I know He put me in ur life for a reason alt
Truth is the treasure of the bible , it clarifies, it free many from traditional thinking, it gives the real hope by which we will benifit truthfully. Translations has distorted truth .helping people see
The difference helps to live with out burden.
The HS puts people in ur life too to "free u frm traditional thinking!" Consider the Ethopian! I known I'm in ur life for a reason. All I EVER asked u to do is STUDY w/an open mind!Translations CANNOT fool the HS! I no! Study Matt 28:19&I Jn 5:7-
Norine I believe what this scripture says
New World Translation
Mt 28:19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,
that is truth.
K&T: I have asked u x&x again to STUDY the "history" of Matt 28:19 & I Jn 5:7-8! Deception is the Antichrist's job (Jn 10:10). If F>S>HS 3 headed pagan god, why blv n something that has been "added" to Script by man Can't u "see? H
Norine what ever Jesus gives us by his direction in scriptures is good enough for me. I have the truth , I do not have to read any of your links
And study your picked scriptures to say what you want, you seem mixed up, I am not.
I wish you the best
K&T: Jesus "gave u directions" thru the Apostles under the NC in Acts! U don't understand the NC? The HS is Jesus who spoke thru Apostles but u ignore bcuz it's not in "red!" Study HISTORY of Matt 28:19 & I Jn 5:7-8? Or do u know & refuse
Every Human Being has the Opportunity to be Saved but Not Every Human will Accept the Grace of GOD Every SIN is Paid for and Every One Born into Human Flesh by the Way of Natural conception is Eligible To receive the Gift of Grace from the true Jesus
Don: R we not under the New Covenant? Was it not fulfilled when The Holy Spirit came in Acts 2:2? Did HS not begin speaking thru the Apostles telling us what to do for salvation?If not doing this, not the gospel of Christ! Gal 1:6-9;II Thess 1:7-12
Norine exodus 3:15:says that is is name forever. Read other translations, because King James has flaws.
K&T: Rem:He has lots of "adjectives," but ONE "name!" Rem: "To get HIS WILL accomplished?" Study: www.bible.ca/jw-YHWH.htm! Do u agree? I know He has lots of "names" but we MUST consider we NOW live under NC for salvation.
Norine you talk but do not hear truth, find a bible other then King James , like v the standard bible , read up on Hebrew words , and stop
Being stuck on one thing , true there is a new covenant , but you are leaving out other important truths .
K&T I no the 4 Heb char known as Tetragrammaton appeared almost 7K times in Heb but the ltr "J" doesn't exist in Grk, Heb or Latin! What say ye? Why do u use mistranslation of bible? Jn 1:1 "the word was A god?" How many r there? Trinity?
Norine Notice Christian Greek Scriptures. At Revelation 19:1, 3, 4, 6, the divine name is embedded in the word “Hallelujah.” This comes from a Hebrew expression that literally means “Praise Jah.
K&T: Come fm OT! We don't live there anymore! Jehovah, God, YHWH, whatever u want to call Him in your lang, is "I AM" which is "ALL!" "I will become what I CHOOSE to become!"Ex 3:14 Get the point? Script fulfilled.He's gathering the Church-JESUS
Norine you talk but do not pay attention my last scripture to you,
Explain this scripture , why did Jesus say it was not his to give but the
Father.read next verse.
K&T: Stop skipping around! I did! It's a job just keeping up with your posts! I love it though for you are truly seeking "Truth" in His Word as Scripture says we should do! Love!
Very clear Norine you deny Father and Son , you say these words
You fit what is written, That is why you do not admit to what is written
Because you think you are above it.
So we will not argue, and go back and forth because you want to be heard .
K&T: U lie! I NEVER denied "JESUS" is BOTH Father & Son in diff "GLORIES" "Simultaneously" (OMNIPRESENT)! U deny TRUTH which will be told! U can't wrap ur head around a GOD so GREAT, He can be OMNIPRESENT vs father & son! Get "Spiritual!"
Jesus Is GOD's Avatar HE was 4 the angels N 4 Us If 1 does not understand this concept of Father/ Son/ Holy Ghost (Spirit) is caused by the fracture of TIME 4 Us Not Father. 1 will Never get it GOD isn't Bound by TIME or Ages GOD =1 we =3 ages P/P/F
Hi EA just was noticing your comment about Jesus fulfilled Phophesy , true Jesus fulfilled , he is the Lamb that was killed .that is why he is called a lamb , because he was the last sacrifice all humans would ever need.The price so high of his value
Don: Jesus was God manifested in the flesh. Not by "fracture of time" ppl don't understand! GOD is Omnipresent & used "Father & Son" term so "WE" could relate to SPIRIT in heaven & SPIRIT on earth simultaneously AND we still dont get it!
Tlmc to conclude The old testement is the basics of many moral issues
The understanding of right and wrong , a tutor to inform us we are sinful
And we need to change , and that we need a cure because we sin as a disease genetically. Jesus helped.
K&T: I guess u have no "FAITH?" Gal 3:24-25 says "after faith comes, u don't need schoolmaster." Why continue lowering urself spiritually? Who needs SM when u have been sent HS? Grow "spiritually!" Sounds immature!
So even though you do not have a paycheck yet you work out your faith you will recieve wages. And you do get paid in the end.
Jesus, has already done his part in paying for us with value , I do not doubt anything we live it.
Bon: "...until he decided to send His only begotten Son, born King himself, Jesus Christ." I Tim 3:16 "..GOD was MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH..." Proof of OMNIPRESENT!
K&T: I KNOW U KNOW the NC, baptism, but do u KNOW JESUS IS GOD? I Tim 3:16?
Amen! II Timothy 2:15 - Study - "...right dividing the word of truth!"
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What "Sinner's Prayer" in Bible? ONE "Mediator" JESUS CHRIST&HE doesn't need "man's" help!
They're just "NOSEY!"
GOD is "HEART" GOD & one doesn't have to SAY "anything" but I BELIEVE "Jesus is Lord" (GOD)
You represent RELIGION in it's fine
The sinner's prayer explains what is included. It doesn't have to be spoken. It is a heart conversation with God. Some people doubt their salvation sometimes. That's a good sign that you are saved. It's the conviction of the Holy Spirit.
Rm 10:9 "If u confess w/ur mouth JESUS is LORD & BELIEVE in thy heart that GOD hath raised him fm the dead, thou shalt be saved." Creation of "Sinner's Prayer!" But they FORGOT v14! For they believe what they've "interpreted" as the Gospel of Ch
Eli: "Endureth until then end" in what though? Only in the gospel of Christ, under the New Cov not "governmental religion's" teachings nor "spin offs!" If not Jesus' doctrine, one is really "enduring until THE END!"
NW, Yoshua's doctrine in parables was about civilization's end, if we're not 1 of the 10 virgins we are not saved this civilization's end. Mass salvation only happen after a civilization ends is the Bible's message.
Eli So,We need to "make sure" we operate "after the cross" the only way to salvation! Jer31:33;Heb8:10;10:16; HowJn14:26;16:13When Acts 2:2. Then Jesus (HS) talked thru Apostles telling us what to do for salvation! Acts 4:12!
Everyone will be saved [Raptured] someday so the question is who will be saved during this particular world end. Only those hearing the comforter in their inward parts survives any civilization's end. The rest means nothing concerning salvation.
Eli: Following the gospel of Christ means nothing? Acts 2:42; Gal1:6-9. How will we be saved? Acts 4:12
Mt 26:24 True, the Son of man is going away, just as it is written about him, but woe to that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.”
Jesus Judge Judas right there.
K&T: Why do skip around? Judas CANNOT save us! Jn 21:22 . Did u STUDY the HISTORY of those Scriptures? Matt 28:19 & I Jhn 5:7-8? Stop evading the issue - Salvation!
Norine we will depart here in peace. I never hear you agree to nothing posted from scriptures .you are one way and can not interact , you want to tell people what to believe and do. Jesus was not that way.
He wanted us to think as he asked questions
Norine what ever Jesus tell me and to do is not by your command
That I do . So We are finished. I am finished posting to you
Take care.you post to me again I will not respond. Peace to you.
K&T: Eph 1:18-19
You may follow other man if you so desire, I will obey the comforter no matter the cost. It has provided me Joy and peace surpassing all understanding to do so therefore I will continue to be comforter led and not man's gospel.
Eli: How can u call the NC "man made?" Does anyone care Christ died? Didn't He Promise NC? Jer 31:33;Heb8:10;10:16Didnt He send Comforter to do this?Jn14:26:16:13 Sent n Acts 2:2."Man" didnt write this! Study for rev fm Comforter! Or Gal 1:6-9-Lost
The comforter is within us, if we are not following the comforter within we are following man. That's how I call the new covenant man made, it doesn't come from the comforter within where gods law is written.
Eli: Are u calling THE WORD OF GOD (Jer & Heb's) "Promise" of a New Covenant man-made? Blasphemy! U better let it "sink in" because IT IS WRITTEN! II Thess 1:6-9!
No, the new covenant is written I'm everyone's heart where the comforter operates. The new covenant is being led from within rather than from without. I've been experiencing that since August 6, 1967, my new birthdate.
Eli: What did Jer & Heb say? "Written in mind & put in heart" as Jesus did w/Apostles telling them to tell us what to do for salvation. They cont'd Jesus' mission (the gospel of Christ) via the Holy Spirit which IS Jesus' Doctrine! Read:Gal
NW, is your mind or heart external?
Eli: U better ck ur "Comforter" for if it doesn't align w/the Word of God it's Satan! The NC IS the Word of God! Do not be complacent! Study! Grow in your spiritual journey! 2 Pet 3:18
If satan can give me the peace and joy I have, I prefer to be aligned with satan than to be living a dissatisfied life.
Eli: Do u know "the wiles of the devil?" Peace & joy are not limited (Jn 10:10)! Following what IS WRITTEN should be your concern & not YOUR emotional state (mind)! Otherwise; you have been deceived!
If you are a "newly born" nomad (Jn 3:8) you understands what I said, if not you don't. God is the devil to the world and the devil is god to the world with his money, wars, deception, misinformation (Rev 12:15) and stuff world man depends on.
EA , Lets NOT Mix The Heavenly Father
With the acts of Satan , for now he is the ruler of this system
But Jesus had assures us Joh 14:30 I shall not speak much with YOU anymore, for the ruler of the world is coming. And he has no hold on me,
K&T, satan only means opposer and since high opposes low (Isa 55:8-9) god opposes the world and vice versa, thus, god is satan to the world and the world is satan to god. Why are the godly are "called out of the world"? So we stop opposing god
EA we would not want to use a word God uses for satan the fallen Angel , to use for God Almighty.
Example just because some body kills animals for food , would I call them a killer
Because it can be misunderstood you are a hunter for food
Jehovah, as called in English means "I AM THAT I AM" meaning god doesn't mind being the opposition to the world since the world is god's opposition. Why'd he say his thoughts and ways are above man's. Because I AM THAT I AM and don't care.
Eli:Don't get your "peace, joy & comforter" confused with Satan's "peace, joy & comforter" when it comes fm not blving The Word (NC)! A "strong delusion" can be sent from Satan (unblvr) which would have u blv it is the Christ!The Word doesn'
Norine notice God’s name at Mark 12:29, 30 in the Hawaiian-language translation of 18 16 There are many translations that use his name in greek, because times and clergy has drop the use , but will have to account for it.
K&T: Give me your def on Jehovah? What does that name mean? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Jehovah mean God?
NW, Jehovah is the name god is to be known by forever and every name has a meaning. It's meaning is I AM THAT I AM.
Thanks EA you have posted truth. I appreciate you for that.
Eli:That's what God told Moses He was "I AM THAT I AM" & K&T def is "Becomes ALL" which basically means the same thing to me>"ALL" or whatever or Whoever He wishes to be to get HIS WILL accomplished! With OT being fulfilled, His Name also:
NW, That is also the meaning of YHWH.
Eli: Yes! Then why disagree over name? Jehovah, God, YHWH, all of those is What He is but not Who He is! If God is "I AM" & "Becomes ALL," how is it that He is not Jesus but only a Son? Is He not the SAME SPIRIT? Where is God based on Matt 28:18
NW. GOD says do not strive over words, yet you seem to relish doing just that. you twist what is said, and do not make vry good sense in anything you say. thnk about tht, please, and obey GOD, quit arguing. you're not making a good example for CHRIST
tlmc: Scripture tells me to "prove" my belief! II Tim 3:16. II Tim 2:14 "strive not about words to NO PROFIT, but to the subverting of the hearers." Word is of no profit? U call it arguing I call it II Tim 3:16! Not sup to "make sense" to unblvr!
NW, I AM THAT I AM means one can't judge me by any of man's "judgmental adjectives" because to use either adjective of a pair means you do not see the whole picture. Objective observing, participating and reasoning is the only way to see the whole.
NW, how are you supposed to subvert the hearer to GODs Word when you sound like a ranting, schizophrenic? you sound like my schizo sister when she is on drugs and off her meds. u psh ppl away, not brng thm to GOD...is that what you want?
Tim, NW is talking about proving what he believes but if he did he would find substance and evidence to support his beliefs (Heb 11:1) and the only way to do that is to be objective by living John 3:8 which he isn't willing to do. He's speculates.
tlmc: They called Jesus a drunk; they called the disciples "full of new wine," How am I any diff when teaching goes against what the world's been taught? Drunk, strange, weird? I'd imagine! Guess what? ALL sound the same to me!
NW, you are not CHRIST, nor an apostle. you are not even biblical. you are delusional. there are better ways to witness than ranting in a confused manner. think about that.
How is NW different? Yoshua performed what few people can, you DO NOT. The decibels spoke in the birth languages of everyone in Jerusalem, you DO NOT. Don't you see a difference? Think others CAN'T? The 2nd christ fulfills Rev 5:12 to be recognized.
Tlmc&Eli: Until u come to the realization that "I AM" is ALL, F>S>HS included whose name is JESUS, & u should only baptz in Jesus' name you will not understand! Until then,cont as u are!
What is Jesus' name to baptize in? What does his name mean that we should baptize in it? You have all the world's teachings but saying "baptize in the name of Jesus" does no make sense when we do no know its meaning.
Eli: Jesus is God! What do u mean u do not know His Name's meaning? U say u r filled w the Holy Spirit? I'm not following you! What "world teachings?" Gal 1:12. U don't liive "after" NC in the new dispensation? Acts 2:42?
Are you saying Jesus and Jehovah are the same word or have the same meaning? I asked you what is Jesus' name. It's Yoshua meaning "almighty god saves" and is the reason for Mat 1:21.
NW, there is GOD, the Father. HIS Holy Spirit, and CHRIST HIS Son. they are three entities, yet joined in one by a common purpose...the Will of GOD the Father. if thy were just one entity, then why did GOD the Fathr place CHRIST the Son at HIS right?
Tlmc do not get frustrated with Norine she has this habit that she never admits what is truth in the scriptures. I am still waiting for her to explain why the son can not do what the Father can, she has ignored that completely
Tlmc: “Symbolic!” (Ex: Ps 16:8) Look “Spiritually!” K&T: The world looks “literally!” Different “Roles” SAME “Spirit!” (Is 43:11;45:5-6).
Isn't He in you and I and others who believe?
In a family say Father and a son play their roles as well but they are not attached in the same body,they may even share the same name but they are separate Since there are many son's of Angels God does not have a problem creating. Jesus is separate
K&T:Will u pls stop looking at Jesus as father & son?We're talking about the ALMIGHTY GOD!No we are not a spirit;but have the Spirit, if IN Christ Jesus! We are not OMNIPRESENT as He! Analogy wrong! Can't compare! THE SPIRIT IS "ONE"! Diff "R
NW, why does CHRIST teach us to pray "to the Father" and not to HIM? we are to pray in HIS name...not to HIM. read John 5:19 and John 8:28. HE clearly distinguishes between HIMSELF and GOD the Father.
T: Don't u know God is a Spirit who manifested Himself in the flesh? Jesus was there fm beginning! Who else got into Mary? JESUS! Who remained in heaven? JESUS! Who is Alpha & Omega? JESUS! Who is that ONE Spirit? JESUS! Eph 1:17-21."the Father o
NW, i give up. i am done trying to reason with you. you have blinders on and no one can make you see reason. i pray someday GOD will open your eyes. good bye.
NW, Yoshua isn't Rev 1:14-15s Alpha & Omega but the Branch from Jesse's Root. Jesus is a pseudonym for 2 messiah, Yoshua the Rod and Elijah the Branch (Exo 4 6-8, Isa 7:14-22, Isa 11:1-12 & Mat 17:5) that & Mat 12:40 & Rev 5:5 &
Tlmc: Don't give up! Prove your "hope" for tomrw! I Thess5:21 Eli: If Jesus said He is "Alpha & Omega," who r u to revert THE SPIRIT to a "physical" being? Prob: The world "looks literally!"
Yes the Pseudonym Jesus is used as the speaker but Jesus represents 2 different messiahs, NW.
Eli: What 2 diff messiahs? Is there more than ONE God? What bible r u reading? What is His name today since Jesus is a pseudonym name?
Go back to my post just before the last one and read the verses in it and you will see, if you are spirit led and not religion led.
Eli: What spirit leads u to defy Script? Fictitious name defies Matt 1:20-21; Lk1:31? Yes, He' "ALL" but His Name is JESUS! This is SCRIPTURE - This is TRUTH!
The same spirit which directed Israel to defy "you shall not kill" then turn around and have them to kill girls, boys, children and animals out of Canaan land.
Eli: HE is GOD! If it was HIS WILL who r u to argue? Is 43:10-13!
Then, why do you ask me "What spirit leads u to defy Script" when we are led by the same one?
Eli: Same One but diff Levels. I live "AFTER" Day of Pentecost, as instructed, as I've been trying to tell "ALL" we should do IF Christians & want to be saved. The "Promise" has been fulfilled & we are NOW under New Covenant (Grace&Truth)
The finial covenant is to become one of Isaiah 7:22 by following the example of the virgin;s child in 7:14.
Eli: I don't know what spirit u r being led by? The bible said New Covenant (LAST ONE) Jesus made before ascending into heaven in Acts! Now, why dont u live by this? It's the LAST One! Its the One in which an example of THE CHURCH was estab!
@ Norine and Elijah,
Have you considered the possibility that the bible has been intentionally altered by people with... Less than perfect... Intent? I see you trying to reach eachother but caught up in semantics.
William is my middle name btw
Wm: No matter how many x's "intentionally altered" by man, facts: He came, He died, He left New Covenant w/Holy Spirit to "lead & guide us!" My question: Why don't ALL follow NC which He died for?
I've died before too. Does that make a difference?
Wm: Now I know we're speaking two diff languages! Who are u? Are u GOD? FACTS: He came, He DIED, He left NC to follow! QUESTION: Why don't we?
Check out psalm 82:6
We are not all following the same anything because of the way the truth has been handled for a very long time. There's no saving souls from eternal damnation. Only saving from people treating this kingdom as hell. My opinion.
Wm: No "eternal damnation?" Mk 16:16; Jm 1:21-25! Back to QUESTION: Why aren't WE living as directed under the New Covenant? The example of THE CHURCH is written in Acts! Not my opinion, but His Word!
Norine, I'll put it this way... As much as I'd rather not. I am not God. I am the alpha and omega. If you would like to help me bring our Father's house to order, continue spreading the word. I can teach you more effective methods if you like.
JTP, The Bible was altered but not knowing the meaning of the symbols it didn't change the message for students of it. NW, The NC is Isa 7:14-22, those to be left upon this earth will have followed the virgin's son's way of life, we don't know him.
Wm: Not MY Alpha & Omega. Explain. Eli: What r u talking about is in Is? I'm talking New Covenant: The ONE HE DIED for! Why are u not up to that point (The New Dispensation) in Scripture where He left us?
As you wish.
NW, you are a NT person who don't understand the OT prophecies so how can we communicate? You are regretting what man teach without validating experiences, I'm talking experience verified Comforter teachings, u don't understand spiritual doctrine.
Wm: U didnt explain! Eli: You cant "live" under both "law" (OT) and "grace & truth" (NT) simultaneously (Galatians)! The prophets "told" of HIS coming but HE came, DIED, & sent us Holy Spirit! NC teaching is when HS came us(Acts 2:2)! Why go
I am living by neither of those laws and I sand nothing about law, YOU DO NOT COMPREHEND OT PROPHECIES which keeps you from understanding the Bible's message. OT prophecy are repeated in the NT so you are living a law and not spirit revealed grace.
To answer your question, Norine, the New Teatament prophecies were fulfilled by the Holy Roman Catholic church which ruled for a thousand years. THAT guy is ITCHING to retire. I know him personally. He's my master.
Eli: NEW COVENANT is NOT LAW! (Read Galatians) OT PROPHESIES were fulfilled when Jesus came, DIED, & left Holy Spirit under NC of grace & truth! You CAN NOT live under spirit revealed grace if not under NC! @Wm: Sounds like "he" is your maste
Exactly. How little you understand about where you are.
NT, why is Revelation 5:5 & 12 not fulfilled, they are also OT prophecy? YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND OT PROPHECY, you accepts what someone told you concerning them. Spirit led self study is the only way prophetic TRUTH are revealed to anyone.
I was wondering how long it would take you to correct me Elijah :-) I'll say this about 'new age' stuff. It came from ouija boards. Does that help?
I did not know that about new age doctrine, JTP, but is just as much a misinterpretation of prophecy as all organized groups calling themselves church - called out from - make of the prophecies.
From the intelligence I've gathered, if you play with Ouija boards long enough, you'll be talking to fallen angels. Perhaps lucifer himself. They'll say anything to keep people in malkuth for another cycle. That's what I hear anyway
I've been around the boards but never played with it so I know nothing about them.
I did once. Once. I was with someone who was a MYSTERY to me at the time. The same person I told you became violently ill when I touched them. The board immediately went to a fallen angel. I'm sure you understand what I just told you, Sir.
I understand Bro. Sir is about a class system which I do not respect. The board I observed I believe went into a wood burner later, what I would have done with the one you used.
That is where they belong. I've also been told to break them and pour salt on them. And excuse the Sir- when in Rome, as they say. Respect was the intent, regardless, Bro
Eli: Why concern urself w/Rev & Jesus opening Scroll when we dont know how to get there? Again, LIVE NOW in the dispensation that Jesus told us to live in according to how its to be done under NC! That's what He DIED for!Wm: The SAME applies to u
NW, what nation is 5% of world population but consuming 40% of world products (Rev 18:15)? The USA meaning I'm living in the now being a wise (Dan 12:10) virgin getting extra oil to survive world termination by following Isa 7:14-22, a Jon 3:8 task.
Eli: U are living in "physical" era! I'm trying to tell u what Scripture says about the "spiritual" NOW we r living in trying to get to Heb 6:1-3 for SALVATION! He DIED, left instructions, & we still don't follow! Why? Every man for himself?
You are correct, NW, you are not following his instructions like me, you are not born again, not a new creation, not led by the comforter and so many more thing written you become when you follow Yoshua the anointed's instructions.
What I've been shown is a world where the best liars win. I suck at lying. I only care about comforting and liberating others yet am taken advantage so much it HURTS me. This is why I am so guarded and elusive. I specialize in peace and healing.
JTP, Peace is forged by the sword of wisdom, it cut away lies and misinformation bringing "truth seekers" to peace. One having that sword uses it at all times, usually the results are meant for onlookers, not the opposition.
Eli: Who cares about me? What did HIS INSTRUCTIONS say? He DIED, left instructions, you ignore! Who's not following instr if not living under what He DIED for-NC? What HS do u have if not following that? @Wm: If u care, study HIS WORD & do NC!
I HAVE. More of his words than you know about. I have performed miracles. I have healed. I have raised the dead. I am raised from the dead. And I care about you so much I want YOU to know the truth. But you're so certain of the lie I can't help you
Wm: Who cares about u? Not about YOU or I! Gifts r w/o repentance! BIBLE SAYS we are NOW under NC for SALVATION! Jer 31:33;Heb8:10;10:16! Why call it a lie? Blasphemy!
John 3:3-8 I've completed, Mat 28:19-20 I've begun, Mat 19:29-30 done, Mat 6:24-34 stopped, Mat 7:1 stopped and many other of his teachings have I done so which ones am I missing? Those taught by Paul as he diverted from Yoshua's teachings?
Eli: Did JESUS not say HE WOULD "put His laws in their minds, & write them in their hearts" in Jer & Heb? Why r u calling Paul/Paul when Jesus said HE would tell Paul & others what to do & say? Is Jesus not telling u what to say or do
Who cares about me indeed...
I will say this: it wasn't supposed to rain yesterday, but a severe storm popped up out of nowhere and followed me around. Then I got a message from God. It wasn't good.
Sorry, Norine. I am only the messenger.
Nw, In Acts 4:1 the decibels are told to wait on the father's comforter, verse 8 it's called Holy Spirit [ghost is written], John 14:16 he promised the father's comforter and in 26 also, that's what's written in our hearts and inward parts.
Wm: I care if ALL r not Lost but it doesn't matter what YOU OR I say in comparison to what the WORD OF GOD says is the point! For SALVATION, one MUST live according to New Covenant spoken of in Jer 31:33; Heb 8:10;10:16!
IT IS WRITTEN!
What is written is meaningless compared to what is spoken by God. He has spoken. Have you not ears to hear? More from Jeremiah: has the house which bears my name become a den of thieves? I have been watching declares the Lord.
Wm: If your belief contradicts the WORD OF GOD, it's a LIE! Jesus DIED and left NC to get back to HIM but ALL don't have "ears!" Do u live under NC? Research how it became effective & u will find TRUTH! Not religion!
If living under the New Covenant allows what I have seen to take place, I will wipe and flush with what is written. If you'll excuse me, I have toilets to fix. I work for a living. Not for money... I just like to be of service. But not to everybody.
Eli: Like "most" you've never heard of NC teachings or at least don't "live" by it so I'm sure you've never "seen" it! What "they" teach IS only worth flushing! Study how, when, where New Covenant became eff & let me know!
Have a great day!
If you point me in the direction, I will review what you speak of and get back to you. I've been shown many things, but that which promotes honesty and integrity appeals to me. What leads to involuntary servitude does not.
Wm: Again(What)NC "Promised" in Jer 31:31-33, Heb 8:10:10:16. How "write?" Jn 14:26; 16:13! When "Promise" fulfilled? Acts 2:2 Day of Pentecost & began "writing" on apostles' hearts telling us what's necessary for SALVATION! If u find anything di
I'll level with you. I don't know why people are taking my opinions so seriously. It's been creeping me out for years. People keep telling me I'm 'the one' and I don't even know what that means or what to do about it. I like it here, but I struggle.
Wm: I knew you weren't serious when you were talking "randomly!" I knew "he" was your master! This is "serious!" Eternal!
If you say so. Thanks for pointing out that new covenant of yours. It's all crystal clear to me now.
I've heard of it, NW, but disagree since I am spirit guided. The way you talk you may have heard of being spirit guided but don't live it, so we're at an impasse. My hand is on the plow and I will not look back, is your hand on it?
Eli: If it wasn't for the NC u would not have that "spirit" u say u have for it was part of the pkg deal of the NC! How can u have it when u don't agree that He sent it even after reading it in the Word of God? @Wm:I guess u didnt read those Script?
I disagree with those claiming to live it, NW, not the contents. The claimers don't have testimony of the spiritual birth (Ron 1:20), required to hear the Comforter.
Eli: Stop "judging "& "STUDY" the Word of God which "testifies of Itself!" U say u live under Grace & have HS sent via NC, then do as it says! I Pet 3:21. Paul was in Jesus' stead & told us what to do to be SAVED!
MW, Psa 1 say I'm to meditate day and night on god's law, I can't do that unless I have nothing to care for (Mat 9:28-29) and that has made me so that what I teach will prosper, as time will soon tell.
NW; you keep saying CHRIST "died" (putting emphasis on DIED) not once have you gone on to say HE rose. HIS death was only part of the story, not THE story. also, it is not possible to understand the NT without first learning and understanding the OT.
To tlmc. Very true about the old testement as example a person that is in the profession of nursing went through training, I am most sure that nursing has basics no matter when you succeed to pass requirements
But what ever year there were upgrades
Eli: HS puts His laws in our hearts not OT law!What the Word teach?T: He SUFFERED for us & no one cares! OT Jesus Concealed/NT Jesus revealed!K&T: Gal 3:24-25! U have no "faith?"
NW; enough is enough already, it does not matter what anyone says, you twist what is said and argue it to death. you are accomplishing NOTHING, except to make people hate "Christians" all the more for being so argumentative. is that what you want?
T: When 1 is complacent, its unChristlike! I give Scripture for EVERYTHING said! Not for ALL to "see!" II Cor 4:3-6. You call it "arguing," I call it II Tim 3:16. Doesn't matter about "people" for they can't SAVE!
NW, I've given different scriptures in support of what I've continued to say and you ignore them. Tim is correct, you make most people hate Christians but people like you to me is like pumping iron to become stronger and maybe inspire observers.
Eli: U cant give me a scripture that defies scripture which tells us we are NOT under NC of grace & truth. The Word doesn't contradict Itself or Lie!
Yes, ppl do hate "true" Christians as did Saul! The Word "cuts" when one is complacent! Heb 4:
The scriptures defies themselves. Genesis 1:1-2:3 is denied by 2:4-3:24. "Thou shall not kill" is defied by instructing Israel to kill all boys, girls, children and animals out of Canaan. Justify that if you will.
Eli: Since you can't justify your beliefs, you ask "me" to justify why GOD does "HIS WILL?"
Now I no you "missed the message" in Scripture!
Is 43:13 says He is GOD (not u & ur twisted beliefs), He "will work, & who will hinder it?
Being metaphors I can justify all of the seeming contradictions, HS has shown me how. Self centered material minded man always believe spiritual understanding is twisted, you just gave more proof of your lack of the New Birth.
Eli: If ur hs DID NOT tell u that we "NOW" live under NC of grace & truth, it gives proof that u do not have the HS for it goes "against" what He came & DIED for (shed blood for rem of sins/sent HS to help us), sent you HS but who cares?
You have nothing new to say so leave it alone, repetition is boring and I will not reply to anything else that says NOTHING NEW.
Eli: The WORD is repetitive! The Gospels?
If u don't respond to HIS WORD & do as He came, DIED, left instructions for us thru Paul (Acts 9:15) & sent HS under NC to help us "Let him be accursed" Gal 1:6-9!
Also nature where has the bible said you would die or have died for many sins. JESUS already has paid the bill you can not pay for all humans
KT, Matthew 12:39 reads "'An' evil and adulterous generation" which means a time other than his. Revelation 5:12 is not about Yoshua as it takes place after the Laodicean church's age per Revelation 4:1.
K&T: "...you can not pay for all humans." Did u mean HE did not ...?" (Unblvrs) If one does not blv in what He died for, they were not paid for! Eli: Why speak of Rev when most don't no how to get there?
NW, Why believe a part of something and not the whole? Where's Yosha's seed? Isa 43:5 "I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west & 53:10 "when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed"?
Eli:I thought we were talking "Salvation" here? I give Scriptures regarding "Salvation" & u chg subject! Why?
Prophesies regarding things "to come" & "have come" are in Scripture!
We are the "seed" of "Yoshua called Jesus the Christ!"
NW, I've not changed the subject, divide things and be conquered by ignorance, integrate things and become the wise conquerer, salvation requires one to become wise (Dan 12:10).
Eli:II Tim 2:15 "..rightly DIVIDE the Word.." There r "diff dispensations" in Script! Why do u not believe n what Jesus came & DIED for? Did Christ DIE in VAIN? How could u rec HS if He didnt send in Acts (2:2)? If you blv this, why not the rest?
MW No one can correctly divide truth unless they are directed by HS. Jesus died because the world rather darkness over the light of understanding which he said himself (Jon 3:19), so it wasn't in vain.
Eli:He also said Jn 3:20!Why did Jesus make a NC if not important?Why send HS under NC if not imp?Why give "grace" if not imp?Everything He "Promised" & did for OUR dispensation,u refuse to accept?U dont blv Acts 9:15-16? Disciples did Acts 2:42!
Grace gives one the right to do both evil and good (Isa 7:15-16) to find their purposes, that is what I am doing so how am I not living the new covenant? I'm showing you what the grace Yoshua lived & I'm living and I don't accept it?
Eli: If DENY that JESUS was speaking thru Paul & we should NOT do as the disciples did (Acts 2:42), then Gal 1:6-9. U said u would follow Jesus but not Paul when JESUS was speaking thru Paul so IT WAS Jesus & not the disciples speaking in NT!
Paul said 1 Cor 7:6 "I speak this by permission, and not of commandment" suggesting everything he said did not come from christ who said "I do what I see my father do." See the difference?
Eli: Did Paul not say "THIS" (pertaining to marriage which has also been misinterpreted) in I Cor 7:6? Yes, but he let us know didn't he? Did he not say in II Cor 7:2 "..I have defrauded no man..." He let us no when "commanded" or not! Jesus spok
If he did it once that he told us about then he did it more than once. Having told us he did something once by permission does not limit his doing it more than once so he still would not be "defrauding" anyone, saying it once eliminates it.
Eli: U thk he LIED? The WORD is a LIE? Rev 21:14 speaks of 12 foundations w/apostles' names! R we not to build on that foundation? If lie, why build? Did Matt 28 tell us to "OBSERVE" apostles? If lie, why "OBSERVE?"
Rev 21 is a spiritual civilization where man don't recognize their bodies like we don't recognize our spirits in this 1 (v4) so those apostles will be from that civilization, they will not those who were in this one.
Eli: R u saying the apostles didnt recog the HS (Jesus) as we dont? What? That makes Jer & Hebs a LIE! He wrote laws in their hearts! Didnt recog?
Can your eyes see your spirit? No! This is a material civilization. Rev 21:4 say those people will not see their bodies, that will be a spiritual one is why post millennium the unsaved reincarnates per Rev 20:5.
Eli: "SEE?" NO ONE "sees" Spirit but "feels, hears & communicates" w/the HS as did the apostles which told them what to tell us necessary for Salvation! If one is filled w/HS, they'd KNOW this! Material civilization only to those not "filled!"
The Rev 21 man will not feel pain, no births, deaths (v4) and no sun (v 23), 1 Cor 15:45 the second messiah (Adam) is "made a quickening spirit" so those man born in Rev 20:5 will be spiritual man and not flesh man for the new world.
Eli: Revelation is "inevitable!" IF we want to get there (no pain,etc.), we must do as "commanded" & "OBSERVE" the disciples! Otherwise, we'll not get there!
Dont stay "complacent!" II Cor 3:18-We chg (understanding) fm "glory to glory!" Is HS
Any end time surviver [saved per Isa 7:22 & Mat 17:13] must become a wise virgin and get extra soil [survival skills without depending on things man has made] since Eden symbolizes the 7 millenniums between Rev 21, no others survives Rev 16:14.
Eli: If one doesn't live according to the "Gospel of Christ," they won't have to worry about anything "joyful" promised in Revelation! Gal 1:6-9! "ACCURSED!"
NW, You know the words Yoshua spoke but don't comprehend their meanings and don't realize I've been writing the doctrine ha'meshiach proclaimed. You do not have "ears to hear what the spirit have to say" not being spiritually born.
Eli: What "spirit" goes "against" the Word of God? Did Jesus not come, DIED, sent HS to help us & asked us to "OBSERVE" the apostles? Do we not NOW live under NC-Grace & Truth? U Cont to speak of thgs to come & past, not NOW! Explain wh
I told you like Yoshua told Peter (Mat 16:23), you are satan to the gospel taught by Yoshua ha'meshiach, yet you want to know what goes against the gospel of christ? Yours! His death and resurrection didn't come from, to be "gospel of," Yoshua.
Eli: Only HS can reveal! I did not call Paul's teachings "the gospel of Christ," Gal 1:6-9 did which came fm HS (Jesus)! Is this not n Script? Script LIED? U call what I repeated fm Script "Satan?" God's Word? II Tim 3:16
NW, I have YHWH's "law in [my] inward parts, and in [my] heart" and it has told me to inform you you are not reading your heart nor inward parts but man's tractional doctrines and teachings.
Eli: If "I" were speaking against Script, I'd agree! But ALL Script given fm Bible! We NOW live under NC w/Jer & Heb eff via HS who wrote on apostles' hearts & minds giving US instr for SALVATION! Deny & Gal 1:6-9!
What man? Who teaches
Chris: We must "know" what the Word says to have "faith" in It! II Tim 2:15
AND studying the Word is not to 'be" saved but to learn to live a life that is pleasing to God and grow closer to Him. Assurance is strengthened by study and prayer.
Eph 2:8-9 We are "saved by GRACE thru FAITH" (as Caribqueen says) not of WORKS least any man should boast!"
Pole: Finding out is "inevitable!" Why take a chance?
You assume if we don't believe as you do Norine, or if we say the bible says we have to endure till the end, that we won't be saved, not true
ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
"Enduring until the end" in the wrong doctrine will NOT save just as enduring until the end as a sinner will not save! "Rightly dividing His Word" with/guidance fm Holy Spirit THEN "enduring until end" saves! Gal 1:6-9!
Lu 13:23 Now a man said to him: “Lord, are those being saved few?” He said to them:
Lu 13:24“Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able.
It takes more.
OO: There is not enough "acting" in the world to "save" you! Eph 2:8.One must know the Will of God (His Word) & have "faith" in IT! ALL of IT! Satan "believes!" James 2:19. "Faith" MUST be in "rightly divided" Word!
SK: In that case we can wait for dying bed & ask for forgiveness & go to heaven! Right? Why do we need bible? Why did it tell us to study it to seek the will of God & to increase knowledge?
SK: Asking for forgiveness is not the only thing that matters for you to be saved. The most important thing is accepting Jesus as your personal Savior and Lord of your life. Acknowledge that without Him you can do nothing because He is the source of
NW: We really need the Holy Bible not just to increase our knowledge.
Always remember that we need the Holy Bible because this is one of the ways to communicate with God.
Through prayers we asks things from God, and thru the Holy Bible He answers the
MK: God's Words are "for instruction in righteousness" & others mentioned in II Tim 3:16! Did it mention "answering prayers?"
Well another way we can look at this as an example say you purchase something a car.
You paid in full. Do you take possession of what you paid for or did you pay for nothing? The point is you paid and it is yours .Jesus paid for us with his value.
but you don't KNOW that jesus even existed. hence why faith is important. I believe that jesus existed but we can't trust the bible because of sinners and their corruption. But there is no proof which is why I have faith. Faith is trust the unproven.
To Jacob faith is simply exercising in your belief that you will receive in this case we are talking spiritual things.
Like a Job some one tells you you are hired
You go through the motions of working even though you do not have a paycheck yet,
JC: I John 5:13 "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the NAME (JESUS) of the Son of God."
Yes, "Spiritual experiences" are "actual"
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Rm 8:1 "There is therefore NO CONDEMNATION to them which are IN CHRIST JESUS, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
Explain this Scripture!
You are so correct to add it is written at Rev 3:5 it clearly says ones name can be blotted out of the book of life.
So simply the meaning is saying once saved always is a misunderstanding of human thinking.
The Heavenly Father knows.
K&T: OUT OF CONTEXT: "Judgment Day"- Everyone's in the book of life but after Judgment, "blotted out" if not "IN CHRIST JESUS" (Rm 8:1) Rm 8:35-39 "NOTHING CAN SEPARATE US FROM THE LOVE OF GOD "IF" IN CHRIST JESUS! Stop "trying to be rt" &REA
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Have u read the Book of Hebrews yet?
You think you've "found it?"
OJ: "Faith" in what? Believing there is Jesus or "rightly dividing His Word" to know "HIS WILL?" Baptizing in what "Name?"
Yes, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Second, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins in the name of Jesus Christ.
OJ: Excellent: Baptizing!
But in order to have "faith" one must no what the "gospel of Christ" is (Gal 1:6-9). Do u live according to Acts 2:42 "AFTER THE CROSS" as did the disciples of the "First Church?"
Do u no Jesus is God?
NW, which prophet came with what the leaders of their time preached? Yoshua didn't preach what the Pharisees taught so why would Elijah preach what the Laodiceans preach today?
Eli: Who teaches this? No one! All call me "crazy!" Who cares! It's in the Word of God for SALVATION! I desire "no one is lost!"
Why can't ppl follow Script? OT Prop Jesus coming, He came n NT, DIED, sent HS under NC & worked thru Paul for SALVA
I'm living as HS directs me, you continue following them as directed, one of us will make it since none are lost but keep incarnating in this lake of fire with an unquenchable desire for money to buy world goods until Jew for everlasting life.
Eli: What hs defies Script? Do u no script? Did It not prophesy Jesus' coming n OT?Did He not come n NT?Did He not DIE?Did He not send HS to help us?Did He not "write on Paul's heart" telling him what to tell us for SALVATION? Is It a Lie? Gal 1:6-9
NW, Exo 4:6-8 prophesied both his and my coming as Mat 17:5 & 11 make it known, or don't you believe the NT? Yoshua in Mat 12:39-40 and told John in Rev 5:5 & 12 I will be OBE longer than his about 39 hours, Can't you comprehend the scriptur
Nature , the problem with your claim is that
your value can not be the same in royalty as
Jesus, Jesus was Michael the first made of angels and man , so he has seniority over everyone else. Here you are born but as all others are born that's .
A voice (Mat 17:5) said "This  is my beloved Son, ... hear ye him" paraphrasing "hear ye him" makes it mean "you should have heard Moses, now hear Yoshua but you must hear Elijah when he comes" per Exodus 4:6-8, the voice equated me with Yoshua.
Eli: "This is my beloved Son..." OMNIPRESENT! Speaking fm heaven, while standing in water, AND the dove SIMULTANEOUSLY~! Oh, the PWR of GOD & "MOST" don't "see!"
Also just a thought what about in the sports world , where players are hired, they may not all play in the game , but what they do is suit up,they take action that they belong to the team and are hired, if they stayed home and did nothing then what?
MK: "Through faith!" What does that mean to u? Faith that there is a Jesus or "faith" in what He said AFTER "rightly dividing the Word?" Even Satan believes there is Jesus! We must "KNOW" His will! That's my quest on HubPages: Do u know "His Will?"
NW: Before I answer your question, may I ask you something? Do you believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit? Do you believe that there is really a "Jesus Christ" who was born by a Virgin Mary in the city of Bethlehem who was an
MK: Do u hear urself? (1)God the Father;(2)God the Son;(3) God the Holy Spirit? Contradicts Scripture Eph 4:4-6! Col 2:9 says "In Him (JESUS) lies the FULNESS of the GODHEAD BODILY! Yes, I blv God manifested Himself in flesh! I Tim 3:16
Lu 8:31 And they kept pleading with him not to order them to go away into the abyss Lu 4:41Demons also came out of many, crying out and saying:“You are the Son of God.” Re 20:2, He seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan,
K&T: ALL unrighteousness will not enter the kingdom of God! That's why u should STUDY to enter!
All I have said is we now live under NC in which Jehovah's name chgd to His CURRENT Glory while gathering the Church; that's Jesus & He is God!
NW:God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. This is the Holy Trinity.
You yourself is also a trinity because you have a flesh, you have a spirt, and you have a soul. All in all, your spirit, your soul and your flesh is one - that is you.
Is 43:10 says there is "ONE GOD; none before; none after!" So God the Father (1), God the Son (2), and God the Holy Spirit(3) makes man-made "trinity" defy the Word! John 1:10! God is what He is but Jesus is who He is!
NW: Based on your comment, it shows that you don't believe that Holy Spirit is God. Think about it, there are only 2 spirits here on earth, 1) Holy Spirit and the 2nd is the evil spirit. If you don't believe in the Holy one, which one do you believe?
MK: Do u not no Jesus is God?
Who told u I didn't believe that HS was God? Because Jesus is God, HS is God also, whose NAME IS JESUS!
Didn't Jesus say in John 14:26 that "the Comforter would be sent IN HIS NAME?
HS is Jesus & Jesus is God!
NW: So you believe that Holy Spirit "is" God. Why did you asked me then if I do hear myself in your previous comment when I aksed you if you believe in the Holy Trinity?
MK: God is MORE than 3 (trinity)! He is "I AM!" ALL! Not only Father>Son>HS but other "GLORIES" as well that changes His Name to accomplish "HIS WILL!" You stated "God the Father which is 1, God the Son which is 2, & God the HS which is 3 G
Norine notice 1 Kings 8:27 “But will God really dwell on the earth? Look! The heavens, yes, the heaven of the heavens, cannot contain you;how much less, then, this house that I have built!
but It contained Jesus , because he is not God.
K&T:THE SPIRIT(God name:Jesus)is Alpha & Omega "fills everything" what are u saying was "contained?"Jesus walked on earth, flew by as a dove (HS) as HE spoke from heaven ALL JESUS! Is HS not Jesus?Jn 14:26.Did Jesus not say He created world?J
Norine That is what scripture says he is contain ,King James Version
1Ki 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?
But it contained Jesus
K&T: U don't blv in the PWR OF GOD! How can u use "contain" in the same sentence? I Kgs was talking a bldg NOR the universe CAN'T contain while u say He was contained!Defies Script! Explain Jn 1:10;
If we truly believe in one God, (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), let us pray that the guidance of the Holy Spirit be upon us to evaluate and distinguish what is right. In Jesus name amen!
MK: AMEN! Did u read those Scriptures I gave K&T above your response?
More: I Tim 3:16; John 8:24;14:9-11;20:28, Acts 20:28(G), Rev 1:5-6;5:8-9(J), Heb 1:8-9; Rev 1:8; 22:13;16, I Pet 2:24.
Norine have you stopped reading scriptures , I gave you the scriptures that say he God can not be contained, but Jesus was on earth till death
And until went to heaven.
K&T: JESUS (aka GOD) was NOT "contained" on earth but EVERYWHERE as well as on earth! MY GOD! We're talking GOD who has ALL POWER (Matt 28:18)!
"Religion" puts "limits" on God! Don't be deceived! JESUS IS GOD WITH "ALL POWER!"
I think you are correct like a map that tells you how to reach your destination , even though you might be miles away, and even though it might be road detours you did not expect ,you follow instructions by taking actions in faith you will get there
MH: Disciples of Christ do not have to "perceive" salvation for it is WRITTEN in I John 5:13 that we will "...KNOW..."
No "appeasing" here! Playing Church is Over! God is TIRED!
Norine you do not even know if she goes to church , quit judging people with the bible
And quit trying to be God by saying what he is tired of , because when he really is tired no one will be able to speak. So stop your self righteous messages.
K&T: U quit saying there is "NO HELL" when Scripture defies that! Give Scripture that states "NO HELL?" The SAME God in OT who PUNISHED disobedience will PUNISH us for disobedience! He's the SAME yesterday, today & forever! Yes, Grace but..
Dan: I Cor 12:7-11 (8) "..one is give the Spirit, another word of wisdom, another knowledge.." Not ALL given ALL 9! Only the "gospel of Christ" SAVES! Gal 1:6-9
Norine this is a key verse That Jesus is Micheal ,
1 Th 4:16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, (with an archangel’s voice )and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.
K&T: Do u really believe that because "His voice" will sound like the archangel that Lord is Michael? Remember Jesus is THE ONE SPIRIT that "becomes ALL!" Diff GLORY/Diff Name! Whatever "His Will!"
JESUS is ALL simultaneously! BECOMES ALL rembr?
God is he who saves, and always has saved those who turned to him
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
But his purchase and coverage of us require heartfelt gratitude ,we express our appreciation by following and listening to his instructions
Joh 15:13 No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his life in behalf of his friends.
Mara: If Jesus is the "Redeemer" & God is the "Redeemer," are They not ONE?
Acts 20:28 - (God purchased us with His own blood)
Revelation 1:5-6; Revelation 5:8-9 - (Jesus' blood purchased us)
The Greatest ALLEGORY in Scripture!
DG: You're right! Sis Cleo but not JESUS!
To Monica Norine believe all are God , Jesus and Holy spirit , she believes he carries different names , and all is Jesus now at one time
A form of trinity but a different outlook,
The problem with that is Jesus would not pray to himself,
K&T: Didn't Script say ONE SPIRIT?
Not "a form of trinity" for the "trinity" limits to only three when He is ALL or "I AM!" I don't "LIMIT" God! The world does!
Don't you have an "inner voice?" Don't you talk to it? So did Jesus!
Norine you yourself use from the beginning, God has no beginning he is eternal, King James Version
Jer 10:10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: , everlasting is eternal no beginning, Jesus has a beginning
K&T: From the beginning of "CREATION!"
Jesus had NO beginning for He is God or did He LIE in Rev 1:8 & Jn 17:5????
Who "taught" you these LIES?
Satan is laughing!
God's spirit exist, but so does satan, the scriptures says people poses his spirit as well. So the word spirit can be use in a good way or a bad way. And many people are confusing which one they have.
K&T: I agree! Make "Very Sure" (from Scripture) that you are right, have studied for yourself, and can "prove" your beliefs! I can! Can you?
Don't blame the messenger, blame the Message! Are you ready for that?
The battle against satan is a battle against our schooling by parents, religions and secular schooling. All of those teaching sources encourage us to continue to eat The Knowledge Of Good And Evil which is the cause of our being unsaved.
Excellent point there Elijah. It would help if people like Mr. Cromwell didn't confuse exactly what satan is.
Eli & Wm: Are u guys Satanic? Ouija boards, fallen angels, etc? Stick to Scripture or else Jn 3:20 applies! FACTS: Jesus' coming was prophesied in OT, He came in NT, DIED, left HS to guide US & yet many still IGNORANT saying "I have HS" but
As a child "Santa Pal" sent one to us one Christmas but I didn't want to play with it, ultimately it got burned in our wood burner. Fallen angels are a misinterpretation of things in life but I understand people's using it.
Eli: Ex: When we have kids they're born, taught, grow. Same w/God! He is SPIRIT so He KNEW He was coming prophesied it, came, grew in flesh, telling us how & what to do to be saved so we can grow & return to Him but we "IGNORE!" Stages w/GOD
I've only just met Eli here, so I know little about him thus far. He seems to see what I have seen. A world where satanism HAS been the norm. So much so that no one even sees how deceived they really are. My aim is to let my light shine.
My new birth conception was in 1973, birth 1976, I am 38+ years still adolescent (Jon 3:8), spiritual adults fulfills John 14:12, may I have some of your testimony, NW?
Eli: Baptized at age of 11 in the name of F>S>HS! Parents died. Searched for truth fm HS! Revelation of baptism in Jesus' Name 5 yrs ago! Hand to plow every since! Revelation is being given by HS to more in these last days! No more religion bu
What & when was your conception, NW, what did you do during gestation, what was your trivial & what did you come out when you became spirit born? The only way to hear what's in your heart is via rebirth period.
Eli: EVERYONE has a testimony! Alcoholism was mine! "I Believe" came fm nowhere! Filled! Studied Script more. Revelation re: baptism, NC, Father & Son are ONE, etc. Told to tell! Doing so! "Last Days" revelations! Only for those who have "ears!"
EA the point is Jesus had to be in a fleshly body here on earth.
1 Co 15:50 But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
Heb 2:7You made him a little lower than angels;
Again I ask, what is your testimony? Was alcohol your conception, gestation, trivial or birth? How did HS communicate with you during those formative times? Testimony explains what took place and I'm asking about 3 stages and the birth.
Eli: What does that have to do w/SALVATION? HS told me n dreams & now I tell u! End times! Study "gospel of Christ" not "beliefs!" Stop trying to find judgment (excuse) & "study" WORD OF GOD (not "me"), the ONLY THING that matters!
So Norine why did that omitting include GOD'S Name Jehovah with title Lord.
K&T: I can't tell u "why" man does except Satan is trying to gain as many souls as possible but he can't fool HS!Too many script saying Jesus is God & man didnt chg so much to loose msg! HS reveals ALL! HS knows Jehovah,God,Lord,Jesus,etc "O
K&T: SATAN! But can't "fool" HS who will "reveal" ALL thgs! MAN will NEVER chg MESSAGE! He was prophesied coming n OT, came n NT, DIED, sent HS to help us & we still won't STUDY to allow HS "guide" us fm "carnality" into "Spirituality!"
No New Birth, No salvation, Isaiah 7:14-22, Mat 24:13 & 25:1-13 & Rev 16:15-16 [only spiritual adults can live in Armageddon] are all saying no salvation without new birth. If you can't give new birth testimony you lie and know not HS.
Eli: Scripture doesn't LIE!
TRUTH: He came, DIED, sent us HS under NC & "believers" don't live accordingly in these "end times!"
Can't you see a problem with "believers" being SAVED?
You are the liar, Rom 1:20 say "the invisible 'new birth' follows natural birth's pattern" [paraphrased] and natural birth has a conception, gestation, trivial, birth and growth after birth into adulthood. Your testimony will show my error.
Eli: Not my Rm 1:20! Mine tells ALL that WITH the HOLY SPIRIT u "can clearly see that JESUS is GOD, even His ETERNAL POWER & GODHEAD (F>S>HS) without excuse!"
Read the world n ALL of Rm 1
JESUS is GOD!
I wonder about these people's holy
I hope you were paraphrasing it is all I can say.
Eli: Yes! He knows the "heart!" Not enough room here!
Eli, all I'm saying is we MUST do as the apostles did for they are the "foundation" Jesus left us to build upon! Rev 21:14
Otherwise, NO ONE will be SAVED! Gal 1:6-9
AND JESUS IS GOD!Jn 1:10
Yoshua is the way [for all to follow if they desire], the truth and [everlasting] life (John 14:6) not the apostles not disciples.
Eli:I have given Script where Jesus told disciples to "teach" us & for us to "observe" what they told us! I have given Script that tells us if we don't "ACCURSED!" U can blv not Jesus when HE spoke thru apostles via HS, but "ACCURSED!"Gal 1:6-9
Since Yoshua came from father and the disciples were sent by the son, I put my trust in the one who came from the father and not those who came from the son. You may choose to follow the son sent, you do believe you have that choice, don't you?
Can we find Rome, and any history of Ceasars ? yes we can, even money can be traced of what it would have looked like.
In 2 B.C.E. Birth of Jesus
33 C.E. Death of Jesus
During the Roman Empire.
Eli: That's where u r wrong! They r the SAME SPIRIT! (Eph 4:4-6) The Son (HS) begat Himself (Matt 1:18) !
See Scriptures given Mara!
THE GREATEST ALLEGORY IN SCRIPTURE!
There is no right nor wrong, I present the wisdom salvation requires while you are presenting a doctrine which keeps one from obtaining it called "Satan of Salvation".
Eli: U call what Jesus said "Satan of Salvation?" Blasphemy! U can't "chg" Script for "your" beliefs? Jesus came, DIED, sent HS, spoke thru apostles giving instructions to be saved & u call it "Satan of Salvation?" Is this a LIE? Be careful! Gal
You are denying what Jesus called salvation, survive civilization's end (Mat 24:13), therefore what you are saying is "satan of salvation" and not what I am saying. I forgot, you do not realize satan only means opposer.
Eli: WHO is "opposing what He said" (& did) & therefore Satan? If u deny that He DIED, sent us HS, talked thru Paul telling us what to do for Salvation, who "opposes?" If 1 "endures until the end" n a LIE, there's no "SALVATION!"
You are "satan" to the Bible's form of salvation as prophesied in OT (Isa 7:`22 and other places) and reiterated by Yoshua in Mat 17:13.
Eli: How can u call what He DIED for (NC) Satan? Is it not in Script? NC is ONLY way we can get back to Him! In Script Acts 2:42. Why don't we follow? Otherwise Gal 1:6-9!
Against ur belief isn't Satan, but "lack of knowledge!"
I AM CALLING YOUR BELIEFS SATAN to what the Bible says.
Eli: "MY BELIEFS" r:Jesus came, DIED, sent HS & we r NOW under NC "OBSERVING" apostles as commanded (Acts 2:42) after estab of 1st CHURCH! Is this not true? Is this not Script? Tell me where I'm wrong!
We are in post-Laodecian era, NC ended with 1948's budding fig tree, now it's Mat 19:28- 20:1-16, time of virgins (25:1-13) & time for peace (isa 2:2-4) for sealing of the survivors (Rev 7).
Eli: We NOW live under NC & will until His return! Give Script otherwise! What "1948's budding fig tree?" In Script? Where does it say NC ended with "1948's budding fig tree?"
NW, Gen 49:1 & 8-12, Isa 11:10-12, parable of the fig tree signals 80 years max before world's end (Ps 90:10) & everything after Revelation 4:1 give you a few revelations that the NC ended with Israel's becoming a nation in 1948.
Eli: Most are concerned w/"THE END" but don't know "SALVATION" for "THE END!" It's gonna happen! Why not be ready by living under NC as commanded which prepares for "THE END?" My concern is to "BE READY!"
The only Biblical salvation is Isa 7;22 & Mat 24:13, everyone else will eventually become man whose names are written in the lamb's book of life (Rev 21:27). The survivors of this civilization (Rev 20:4) & the raptured from ch 21 in Gen 1:7-
Eli: Revelation is "inevitable!" GET READY! Do as commanded & "OBSERVE" apostles! Live in the NOW dispensation of the Scriptures! Not then or future but NOW!
NW,How can I possible know what is happening if I have not been observing? How can Eliyehu be the restoring prophet (Mat 17:11) without observing and comparing scripture to events? How can he know how to restore things without understand the past?
Eli: Not true for you believe that Paul's teachings were not the teachings of Jesus but "his' teachings! Not so! Jesus spoke thru Paul & we r to "OBSERVE" him & other apostles "AFTER" Day of Pentecost! (Jer & Heb)
Jesus' Words "writte
If NW were born of spirit you would have spiritual ears and know some of Paul's writings contradicts Yoshua's. Paul said a woman -- incomplete man (Gen 2:24) requiring a spiritual birth to become man -- should not teach, obey that teaching of his.
Eli: R u speaking of "unsaved women in the Church?" (I Tim 2:12) Women "IN SILENCE" not SILENT? (v9) R these women "in Christ?"
Did Paul not say Gal 3:28?
Did u read Acts 2:17? ALL FLESH?
Stop male chauvinism! Jesus did thru Paul! (Gal 3:28)
How much more unruly can one become to deny Yoshua's teaching for Paul's which sometime contradicts Yoshua's.
Eli: It's NOT PAUL! Acts 9:15-He was Jesus' "Vessel!" "Unruly" to unblvrs of His Word!
Women disciples throughout Script! Eph4:7;11-13; Rm 2:11;16:1-3;7; Acts 10:34-35;Joel 2:28; I Sam 16:7.
GROW II Cor 3:18!
Why don't you have Jer 31:33 so you can know this things. Oh, I must remember, you are not spiritually born (John 3:8) so you are able to read it, you can only read from an external book.
Eli: Do u have the capability of God n I Sam 16:7? Why attack me? Attack the Word for that's what I've given & HE "sees ALL!"
What did you call Scriptures? "An external book?" II Tim 3:16
I envy u n that u r secluded & can "STUDY," do so
Yes, I hear the spirit of your words not the outward man taught meaning of them.
Eli: Gal 1:12 "For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."
Have you ever heard "man" teach this? NO!
I Tim 4:16-18! "At my 1st defense, no "man" stood with me,but all "men" forsook me; I pray.
That is almost what I have been saying in every response to you except rather than saying Jesus the christ taught me I say the comforter which is also what is written Yoshua ha'meshiach taught would be our teacher (Jon 14:26).
Eli: Yes, Hebrew: Jesus! But I have given His Word which "proves" we NOW live under NC-Grace & Truth,"OBSERVE" apostles' teachings (Acts 2:42) whom Jesus spoke thru to give us instr for SALVATION & u deny?
HS is "progression" not "regression!
There was no Hebrew word for Jesus during the writing of the manuscripts, maybe now but nor then. We are living in post-Laodecian age, a maximum of 13 years before the end of the world. Grace is over now is the judgment as it is called.
Eli: Give Scriptures re: "We are living in post-Laodecian age, a maximum of 13 years before the end of the world. Grace is over now is the judgment as it is called."
You understand anything in Rev? 1:1, things will shortly come, 3:14-18 ends today's mega-church era & 4:1 the rest happens after it. We are out of the Rod of Jesse's era (Isa 11:1) & in the Root era (Isa 11:10-12 & Rev 5:5 & 12) era,
Eli: Revelation is just that: "Rev of thgs to come!" We are to CONCENTRATE on how to get there to enjoy! We NOW live in the dispensation of Grace & Truth under NC! Won't get there unless we "OBSERVE" the apostles as commanded!
Isn't the mega-Laodecian church already here? What do you mean yet to come, aren't you observing the things happening & comparing then which what is written? Why else are you commanded watch if not for comparing to the scriptures to understand?
Eli: U miss the point! ALL Scripture WILL BE FULFILLED! The question is r u ready for Revelation? Have u lived according to how Jesus commanded us (NC-Grace & Truth) in our dispensation to get there?
Again, if not, Gal 1:6-9!
Wish I had x as
Can I not be ready telling you where in Rev we are? I'm giving the entire Bible's message, you, only the just ended dispensation, which of us has HS? Holy=complete Spirit=understanding meaning the complete understanding of man on earth. U got that?
Eli: Did u not hear what I said? THE SCRIPTURES WILL BE FULFILLED & some portions HAVE BEEN FULFILLED! Irrelevant! Where are we commanded to live NOW, repeat NOW? If one has NEVER lived or blv in NC-Grace & Truth blving in error! NO SALVATIO
I am living IN THE NOW, I comprehend where we are, you are living in the past when we are in post-Laodecian-last-days dispensation. You CAN'T KNOW IT because you don't have HS, you lives grace and DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, EVEN.
Eli: Yes, we r living in "last days" but MUST live as "commanded" (Acts 2:42) until then! Gal 1:6-9!
WOW! U r now GOD & can "look at one's heart" to determine who has HS? I NEVER said u didn't but "CORRECT" belief "against Word!"
That is the problem with understanding the word of God , or understanding that people want you to listen to their voice.
they do not hear God's but their own. And because their knowledge is limited in translation of Hebrew and Greek the truth lacks
K&T: Bcuz "truth" is given u fm the Word of God & doesn't align w/"governemntal religion" or a "spin off" does not mean it's "their voice!" U have knowledge of Heb & Grk yet dont understand the New Cov? What good is it? Proof: HS does bet
You make sense to yourself , but since you been posting you prove nothing with scriptures , everything that is spoken should be backed up, Hebrew and Greek is the original language of scriptures, you only quote from a 1600 version of translation.
K&T: Case & point, do u "understand" even w/knowledge of Heb & Grk? U still don't see New Cov? It does exist yet u can't "see" even w/"ur" knowledge! U need HS not Heb & Greek! Prov 3:5
Is that all you have , most people already know about the New Covenant ,Jesus is the New Covenant. True.You can not find any words of my to dispute it.But you hang everything on that one thought
you are not balanced. All the scriptures work together
K&T: Who said F>S>HS in Trinity was fm 3 headed pagan god yet u were baptzd that way? Who's "unbalanced?" Reading about the NC & "understanding" it & doing it , are two diff things!
Did I tell you I was Baptized No! Again you assume things because of comments, rather I am or not is no concern of yours, So quit commenting on speculation to prove yourself right.your whole comment is off track.
K&T: If u live accrdng to Script it is! "Make full proof of thy ministry" II Tim 4:5. Ashamed? Mk8:38. Shouldn't be secret! God's listening! I give Script-not "my words"!
Proof of truth in scriptures is what matters not scoping people's personal vows of dedication to God to be used to critize ones choice seems to be your motive , not mine, I never asked anyone that , it is not my business.
K&T If they proclaim to be Christ-like it is! I Pet 3:15! If u proclaim to be Christ-like it is! Correct them II Tim 2:15! All I EVER have is Scrip yet u say "my voice!" Why?
First all things people ask does not require and answer, Jesus set the record for that Mt 21:27 So in answer to Jesus they said: “We do not know.” He, in turn, said to them: “Neither am I telling YOU by what authority I do these things.,
K&T: But the "Authority" has told YOU how to respond & you don't care? I Pet 3:15! He told YOU what to do! My God! Anything to be "right?" Sounds like "Govt religion?" Jesus doesn't have to tell anyone anything but he told YOU what to do in
Norine I am confident in what I believe and say, you do not have to believe me , because Jesus is who we follow. I follow him my way
Criticism of my way does not make you right. But we must each work our own relationship out.
K&T: U can be "confident" but if not WORD....It is not my way or your way but what is in the WORD, His way! I have planted the seed but only God can give the increase I Cor 3:6-7.I don't criticize, judge the WORD does! He must be trying to tell
you apply a scripture to your own feelings and thoughts, and then say but you pick
Does not mean that is the case at all,even Satan quoted scripture
Ps91:11 / Lu 4:11and,‘They will carry you on their hands, that you may at no time strike your foot
K&T: Did u answer my questions? Did I choose & pk Script about NC? Did I about baptzm or anything else? Where? Is 5:20; Lk 4:12.
Yes Norine you have pick all scriptures to say what you wish.
I answered a question , but you are so busy telling .you did not notice
K&T: Let me ask one at a time. Do u blv in baptzing in Jesus' Name?
King James Version
Re 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him(satan ), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
You see it is Jesus final decision not ours.
K&T: Rev 13:8 is right! Jesus has left us instructions! I'm just asking u to STUDY & follow! I rejoice when u call me Satan! Mk 13:13. I must be doing something right! For light hates darkness & darkness hates lght Jn 3:19-21!
Norine you rant more then you read and listen , it takes a good listener to understand , no where did I call you satan .show me , where I called you that.
K&T: If not from God's Word then Satan & ur first statement said I was using "my own voice" when I've given nothing but Scripture! Then u insinuate "ignorance!" This is the spirit fm Satan! He wants u to "thk" ignorant & my own voice!More
Ex 3:15And God said to Moses again “You are to say to the sons of Israel ‘Jehovah, your fathers’ God, Abraham’s God, Isaac’s God, Jacob’s God, has sent me to you’; this is my name forever, and this my identification for generation after generation
K&T: Is Jehovah not another name for God in another lang? Speak "English" here! Jehovah (God) is What He is not Who He is! Why do u cont to live under OC? It's a New Day (NC)! Did Christ die in vain?
Norine that is where we depart, If you read the original Hebrew or greek , Lord would be Jehovah , where King James removes the name, American Standard ": this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations." We are a generation
K&T: I've moved under NC where Jesus means "I AM" (ALL) which includes "Jehovah" & all others. Don't get hung up on a "name" for He is ALL (F>S>HS) included! Under NC Script says in Philip 2:10&Rm 14:11 "at the name of JESUS" not J
Norine that is how he is Identified , why would your name be important
And his is not,
K&T: He changes His Names & Glories to get HIS WILL accomplished! I am not God! Although I have titles as he does Glories, i.e., mom,wife,sister,etc. but not my name.His name is JESUS under NC! Phil 2:9-11.Prob:U want to have 1 ft n law &
Norine I know what titles are but that scripture says that Jehovah will be his name for generations.
You ignore that.
Jesus is God's first born creation of an Angel made
Name Jesus after his birth on earth.
Your name is Norine not lady or woman
K&T: Did u not say that Jehovah means "becomes ALL?" The meaning of His name has not changed but OT Scripture has been fulfilled! He is still "Jehovah" for He has BECOME "JESUS" under NC! Rem: From Glory to Glory to get HIS WILL accomplished!
Explain scripture Norine tell me why Jesus can not tell his deciples where to sit in his Government office, and the Father can .
K&T: After leaving earth, He operates in the Glory of ALL F>S>HS too but His Name is JESUS! Maybe u can better understand if I call His Glories "roles?" He's everywhere! All Glories!
Norine a quote from you
. Norine Williams says 10 hours ago
K&T:Will u pls stop looking at Jesus as father & son?We're talkin
You keep saying this who is lying you.
K&T: Did u notice the small "f" & "s?" Carnal not Spiritual "F"ather & "S"on! U r a LIE for I know God is ALL not only the Father & Son but whatever He pleases! Is 43:10-13! Who shall hinder it?
Norine you have said this in your own words , also you are filling in your meaning using omnipresent. There is no scripture written using that with Father And Son , so far your explaination in letters means nothing.
K&T: Rev 1:8 should be enough for you but there r many, many more! Too many for this space! What does this Scripture (Rev 1:8) mean to u? To me: ALL! God,Jehovah,I AM, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, etc. OMG not enough rm here! Too many GLORIES! "Spir
Again the Scripture you gave applies to Jehovah , he has no beginning or end and does not die, Jesus died,
The word is omnipresent is not used here , you filled the word in.
People can see that.
K&T:The "flesh" of Jesus died, but NEVER His Spirit!He got busy immed aftr He lft that body! I Pet 3:19 Why don't u argue the point that God's name is "I AM" He said it was! Why? Ur "teachings!" His Name chgs fm Glory to Glory. FULFILLMENT! JESUS
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K&T: Man CAN NOT chg "MESSAGE" of Word of God! HS will reveal! Have you no "faith?" God takes the most "unlearned" ppl & use the most! Don't u know this? It's the HS that gives "truth" & "wisdom" no matter who chgs what!
K&T: Who cares what KJ chg'd? No "man" will ever chg the MESSAGE in His Word!
His coming was prophesied n OT, He came n NT, He DIED, He sent HS to help us under NC & it's our JOB to STUDY to find HIS WILL n Script & "FOLLOW!"
Norine God did not Father himself it would have said he did, where is your scripture that he said he fathered himself? You add your own opinion and interpretation to keep from saying the truth, God is our Father also but we all have separate bodies
K&T: OMNIPRESENT> BECOMES ALL>THE ALMIGHTY SPIRIT! What? GOD whose NAME is JESUS!
"Let us" in Gen! SAME SPIRIT in Lk 1:35 HS (JESUS) "shall overshadow thee!" Conceived Himself!
Lk 1:37 "For with God NOTHING shall be imp
He said God's son . Who was an Angel called Micheal was given a fleshly body by a birth.
Angels are sons of God , if That Angel existed with this message then surly the Angel Micheal existed who would be born as Jesus.
K&T: U have not given scriptures telling Michael was Jesus! Only Jude 9 says "with a voice" which He could use "a voice" of anyone!
Who would have blv'd Jesus was GOD if He had told them in script as you don't today?Jesus had to "relate" to "man
God is he who saves, and always has saved those who turned to him
The worship of any other, including his messengers is a sin
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Mara: "Spiritual!" Is God not "Redeemer" as u stated (Is 44:6)? So is Jesus II Pet 1:1)! Did God not "purchase us w/His own blood?" So did Jesus (Rev 1:5,6; 5:8-9)! Not 2 but ONE SPIRIT! OMNIPRESENT! JESUS IS GOD the ONE SPIRIT!
There was no Hebrew word for Jesus during the writing of the manuscripts, maybe now but nor then,
Eli: Heb 9:9 says "Which was a figure for the times then present.." Yes, things chg but don't u blv He manifested Himself in the flesh (I Tim 3:16), came & DIED for us, left NC, sent HS? That's who I'm talking about!
All existing entities are the manifestation of an attribute of what's called god. Man-en-mass parents, schools and religion brainwashes us to believe ourselves superior to everything including other man, so the NC & salved is when one overcomes
Eli: The problem is u don't BELIEVE what is WRITTEN! U can't chg Scripture or move fm the dispensation n which we NOW live into another (REV)! We were commanded to OBSERVE apostles & if we don't, NO SALVATION!
We are commanded to observe everything the comforter commands us (Mat 28:20), not the apostles.
ELI: LIE! Who do u thk was "speaking thru the apostles" if not the Comforter (HS)? That's why we were told to "OBSERVE" them~! Did He (HS) not say n Jer & Heb that He would "put His laws in their hearts, & write in minds?" U don't blv Script
The comforter will speak through YOU causing YOU to become the "sower who went forth to sow" (Mat 13:3) where you share your understanding and moves on (Joh 3:8) while the comforter works in the seeds to achieve whatever the soil allows.
Eli: U being the soil ask God (HS) if what I speak (seed/His Word) is TRUE according to Scripture! That's your job as a believer (Acts 17:11) with an "open mind" not with a hard-heart (concrete soil)!
I am not a BELIEVER, I am FAITHFUL (Heb 11:1 & Jan 2:18, 20 & 26). All reborn man have evidence and substance to justify their unseen beliefs. I consults HS concerning my every act. I don't want to but HS say continue this dialog with you.
Eli: John 3:15 "...BELIEVE ON HIM..." comes before "Faith!" Understanding His Word (Believing) then "Faith!"
Consult HS regarding "seed sown" unto you! You have nothing but time why not use it? I don't know why I (flesh) cont w/u? HS said to!
When one actually believes one will seek evidence & substance to support it, thats why I AM FAITHFUL, I study to show myself approved to correct reveal truth (2 Tim 2:15), I don't believe without doubt anything until finding proof in support of i
Eli: One should never "doubt" the Word of God or "unbelief!" Again, Did He not come, DIE, told us to "OBSERVE" apostles, sent HS to help us, said He would "write His laws n our hearts & minds" (as He did Paul)? Give me another current way of life
There's your problem, you do not doubt enough to go to HS (Isa 1:18) so you can do what is necessary to get evidence and substance of faith. You will have the proof of the Yoshua's resurrection when I manifests as Eliyehu (Mat 12:39-40 & Rev 5:1
Eli: Yes, I "doubt" what "man" says! I listen, then go to Scripture (HS) praying for revelation as u should! I give SCRIPTURE, not my opinion!
In order to get to Revelation (eternal life), 1 MUST live (NOW) as commanded - "OBSERVE" apostles!
Esther: As in baking a cake, if ingredient left out, it won't happen! One MUST have "faith" in "rightly divided" Word! If one doesn't "know" it still won't happen! Make sure your "faith" is in what His Word "truly" says & not just "blv in His pwr
Norine, 'believe in His power' was an example of how you can believe, but absolutely not used as a desription or checklist. My point was mostly that your faith sometimes can seem far away, without it really being that far because of Gods Word.
Esther: What I was trying to say is "Make sure that u r having "faith" in His Word that has been "rightly divided!" The New Covenant is where we live today and "laws are put in our minds & written in our hearts!" (Jer 31:31-33; Heb 8:10 & 10
And that New Covenant is so beautiful! Thanks for reminding.
Esther: You're welcome! Acts 19:5 "...Unto what, then, were ye baptized?..."
The question isn't if we are saved or not, but if we can be assured inside that we are saved. No we're not saved by faith but by living for God, & by doing his will........... Read James 2:14-20
But do u "truly" know what "His Will" is? If not, NO SALVATION! Following "tradition" or "religion" won't save. Living in the dispensation in which we NOW live, following ex of 1st CHURCH on Day of Pent, & Acts 2:42 is only WAY TO BE SAVED!
To Esther you are right about believing , but
this belief is attached to an action in meaning , like I believe in my marriage, but without actions to support it , it means nothing. To believe in your marriage would be proof by support of the other
MS: Like what you said "Being a saved christian is something you have to continue working on daily!" It's a "GROWTH" process not "COMPLACENCY!" STUDY "AFTER THE CROSS" for Scriptures says in Gal 1:6-9 if not gospel of Christ, "ACCURSED!"
We were created by his power , we have different Bodies separated from God, So does Jesus , because he died in the flesh, while he was dead who returned his life. Not hisself. , because death has no activity at all. Only some one living can return it
K&T: Dear heart, SPIRIT not "bodies!" Christ's "body" DIED but NEVER His SPIRIT! OMNIPRESENT! His SPIRIT raised HIMSELF & went into grave! I Pet 3:19
"Religion" has taught "persons" (trinity) so long it is in all denom now! LIE!
Norine where is your word omnipresent in scripture .where is it in the bible that says he fathered himself, you have never said anything of scriptural truth. And that makes you a false prophet. Then when some one shows you scripture you change it
K&T: Jer 23:23-24;Prov 15:3;Col 1:17;Ps 139:5-10;Job34:21 too many!
Wasn't Jesus there fm beg "Let US" n Gen? Didn't that SAME SPIRIT enter Mary Lk 1:35?
I give Script not ME!
What u thk "false prophet" is only bcuz fm HS & against teac
Notice Norine the all capital letter in King James translation, this is where Jehovah name is replaced with LORD. Because they are two different beings even when King James drops his name he acknowledge them from each other by capital letters.
K&T: You defy scripture when u say "two diff "beings!" SPIRIT is NOT a "being!" It doesn't matter that KJ chg'd His name from Jehovah to LORD, for He is "ALL!" Did the msg chg? He came, DIED, sent HS, talked thru Paul telling us what to do for SA
Example when you buy something you own it's yours. You do not buy and recieve nothing. Jesus purchased all human life
That covers generations of people many to return back to living.
His payment was a cruel death, but we belong to him.
K&T: We only "belong to Him" when we blv & have faith in "rightly divided Word!" There is but ONE SPIRIT who is "ALL!" No "father & son!" But THE ONE SPIRIT that manifested HIMSELF (GOD) into flesh (JESUS) I Tim 3:16!
Father & Son to
Jesus was born during the Roman empire.
Mt 22:20 He said to them: “Whose image and inscription is this?” Mt 22:21 They said: “Caesar’s.” Then he said to them: “Pay back, therefore, Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.
Rome , Ceasars
Mara: More Scriptures: Rm 5:8; (God "demonstrated" His love) How? He (God/Christ) died for us! Jn15:13 Jesus said "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." &
This is "The Greatest Allegory" in Scriptu
Everyone is not in the book of life because only the ones that conquer are written in the book .Daniel 12:1
When you conquer you recieve the prize. Which is stated. Rev 3:5 simple .Anything else is human .
If u think "sin" blots us out of the Book of Life-READ: Heb 8:12;10:17 "I will be MERCIFUL to their "unrighteousness" & their "sins" I WILL REMEMBER "NO MORE!" NC!
Rm 9:15/Exd33:19 GOD'S BUSINESS!
ONCE SAVED - ALWAYS SAVED! BY FAITH! "HEART" GO
I REPEAT: Rm 8:1 "IN CHRIST JESUS!" CONQUERED!
READ 1 JN 3:1-9! Explain that if ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED is not true!