"By believing in God, you have gained something; spirituality. By disbelieving in God, you have lost something; sanity." Abdus Salaam
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True then why are they always saying prove it, when it is answered and attempted they shoot it down quicker then jet missile.
As an example Many things have purpose
But say somebody says get rid of all the doctors because of some bad doctors, ?
Kiss and Tales, you have never ever provided any proof. What you have done, however, is to try to persuade atheists to accept blind faith as proof. And what does this statement about getting rid of doctors have to do with anything? Straw man!
Yep. Bad religion is why atheists are rebelling against God. But atheists do not realise that Atheism is also much like any other religion with passionate devotees like yourself.
Bad religion has nothing to do with it. I am sure that it does happen, and people have been turned off by the idea of religion, but in the majority of cases atheist just find a lack of evidence.
I am an atheist and NO, atheism is NOT a religion! Why in the world would you think that it is? Is disbelief in Unicorns a religion? Then disbelief in a god or gods is not a religion either.
Just because there is a community of people underneath something that identifiys as it makes it no more a religion than having cancer makes it a religion of cancer Religion: the belief of a god or gods.
A organized system of beliefs to worship ago
JC: Rm 1:25 "Who chgd the truth about God for a lie, & WORSHIPED and SERVED the "creature" (SELF) more than the "Creator" (GOD)..." Now tell me "self worship" (Facts/Proof=Atheist) is not a group worshiping themselves & their ability to "rea
Continued, and you got a sickness that only he can diagnose and prescribe medication for, then what,
Or get rid of all the police, and your home gets broken into, or you have a serial killer
Released from prison based on getting rid of all Jails.
DVH - you have a point! Nearly half the world practices a non-Abrahamic religion. Some believe in a god, some many gods, some none. Some allow for followers to choose regarding such beliefs. Judging by their countries, all are equally valid.
Jacq: But it does with Atheism & Homosexuality.....
What? Your religion doesn't affect me, unless it's trying to deny me rights. Unless you meant mental health - then, you'll find it doesn't in relation to the 'cause' of either. You'll need to explain yourself (without verses)....
Jacq: IMO Most atheist r such bcuz "preferred lifestyles" conflict w/WORD! Most have experienced "Trauma" which led to "preferred lifestyle."
Whilsts it's yr opinion, it's inaccurate. Atheists are atheist because they don't believe in God/s - some may have, some have never ever believed. Simple isn't it? No trauma required.
Jacq: OK so that your opinion! Statistics shows differently? What else could have driven them to such "unnatural" thinking?
Its all natural. Heterosexuality and Homosexuality are natural. Believing in superstitions is a natural human trait.Also, some humans are naturally inclined to use logic and critical thinking. Delusion is the brains natural reaction to indoctrination
getit you tell yourself these things and indoctrinate your own self and people are to believe what you say.Iwould rather take the word of an acient book that gives examples and history of many generations of humansThen to take the word of one man .
Get: How r u "smarter" than Creator? "Reason & Logic?" Who's? Yours? LOL! No MAN smarter than Creator! Yours "lacking!" Homo "natural?" "IF" no "free will" & all were homo (natural) where's reproduction? Thk about it!
Norine, u are merely regurgitating indoctrinated groupthink. U have no evidence that there is a creator, let alone how smart said creator is. Also, the creator in the bible was simply ignorant ancient humans, who had no access to the vast info today
Nor - provide yr statistics then. The dictionary def agrees with me - all that is required for atheism is a lack of a belief in God. No trauma.,all are born atheistic until someone tells them they should believe.
Get: R u not rewarded w/"good feeling" when doing right? Why? Ur spirit "connected to righteousness" - GOD! Morals "innate!" What group?
Jac: Google for "statistics!"
ALL "created in His Image"="righteousness" then acquire "stinking thinking!"
Norine - they're yr proof - you provide it. You want to say something is fact, then it's on you to provide proof - not on the person asking for proof. Or do you not actually have any?
Norine, u are still merely and mindlessly regurgitating indoctrinated unsubstantiated claims. I cant take this seriously, as it is paramount that u adhere to facts and not parrot the perceptions programmed in to your cortex. Where is your proof?
Nicely said. When faced with science, religion doesn't hold true. Religionists keep trying to insist that science "prove" their gods, but no matter how much you want to believe in a "heavenly father", it just isn't there to run experiments on.
I guess we'll never know until we're dead and in our graves. You'll either awake or blissfully sleep unaware. If you awake you'll be asked about your religion, depending on what you say will determine your fate.
That's entirely a guess, Abdus. You've no more proof than any other religion of what happens after death, if anything. Of course you're free to believe as you will.
Yes it's a guess whilst weighing up the liklihood and severity of being wrong. If I am wrong and you are right, then, I'll blissfully sleep unaware in my grave. If I am right and you are wrong, then what?
I'm familiar with Islam and your god, Allah. Speaking frankly, if he IS real, then he's a monster whom I wouldn't want to serve anyway. But considering there's no evidence for his existance, I don't think disbelief in him is risky at all.
My God and your God is one. Well, if you awake in your Grave and call God a monster, thats brave. Stupid, but brave.
Just WHO is my God, Abdus? I was once religious until my mind was enlightened by Knowledge and freed from religious chains by Reason. I've no need of mythological stories anymore. Some, like you, have not yet had your mind freed.
Who is your God? Your God is the same as my God, Levi; for our Lord is one. Tell me about your 'enlightened knowledge' because I too want to become open-minded like thee.
It's a personal journey, Abdus. If truth isn't the most important thing in your life, you won't find it. From what you've said, you aren't ready or looking. Just go be happy in your religion...maybe one day you'll see what I meant.
Happiness and contentment is a sign of guidance from God. Depression and sadness is a sign of misguidance from God. Only individuals know their true state.
I do not have to prove the existence of God, although I have tried via a yet to be published article. It's called faith.
If I assert that I believe in something, then attack those who do not, then, yes, I do need to produce proof, or else I have no right whatsoever to attack those who disagree. Faith is not proof of anything.Faith is synonymous with willful ignorance
The problem is your proof to others may not be what they consider as proof, or accept as proof , so they repeat the same words no matter what you say. Really some do not want proof to be proven wrong that is mostly the case.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. This means you need more than just something that constatutes proof to you, you need to provide evidence that is acceptable proof to the masses or in a testable enviornment
So let me ask you Kiss and Tales: Do you believe Allah is God, and that the Koran is His holy word? Do you accept the Koran as proof of this? And do you accept that Jesus was not the Messiah? There is "proof" of all of this in the Koran.
Give me 4hours and I will provide you with proof similar to Friedrich Nietzsche famous 'God is Dead'. But, the proof will be wasted pixels on a computer screen to those that are both arrogant and ignorant.
Abdus, That is not true. You will not provide any proof. You will do what all other believers do: Assert unsubstantiated and illogical claims, that will be easily dismantled by simple logic. Then you'll cry foul when you fail miserably. Correct?
No by all means please do, i am neither arrogant nor ignorant, and would love to be shown proof. Just know i require factual evidence to support. It is as simple to me as a page in the koran that states a future event specifially no vaguness at all.
Sorry to dissapoint you, but making "claims" stating your "beliefs" and crossrefrencing your own holy book does not constatute evidence. GOD IS SUPPOSEDLY all powerful, if we are the atoms why is he limited with proving himself
So I guess if I believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster is watching me, then that brings him into existence. FSM is an awesome God!
If your going to critique, at-least make it academic by using science and/or philosophy as opposed to being amateurish. Alternatively, why let facts get in the way of a good argument (sarcasm).
Im being honest, the "evidence" you provide is severly lacking. These are merely claims and bold assumptions at that.
Sayyes, I am sorry I missed the question you directed to me. I find your question very interesting, and I will deliver your answers soon. Thanks for the questions.
Abdus: Have u found another book written before Bible containing fulfilled prophesies as Bible? What other book has done this?
getit as I was going over old post I made the error of thinking sayyes ask the question about the Quran and the Muslim teachings
I wrote the hub based on the questions you ask me on the subject,sorry for the name mix up but the answer stays the same
Sayyes if you rebel then and believed and returned, then you certainly believe in a God
It is that you may not believe in the people
Who say they believe in God, people tend to
Follow by example if that has been a negative experience you doubt.
K&T - that's why I'm an agnostic, rather than full-blown atheist. Based on stories I've read and heard, I believe there are other worlds out there. It just makes no sense to me that one omnipotent being controls them all.
Well sayyes, it starts with that one, so far no one else can give the answers that fit us in as humans but him, mostly people are disputing what these words mean even to grammar, but the truth is there to recieve, people are rejecting it .
YO: That's what's wrong! "Based on stories.." "It just makes no sense to me...." (Prov 3:5; I Chron 7:14) Just BELIEVE HE IS Creator! Man's logic, reasoning, understanding will err! Let THE SPIRIT lead!
"Trust and obey, for there's no other way to be happy in Jesus but to trust and obey."
My niece did that; the price was her high school degree.
Sayyes you mention your niece , I am sure you are proud of her success no matter the grade, but you and her have a real relationship , it is more then she is just a relative , you have feelings, you connect with her from the heart.
My niece dropped out of high school to join a cult!
Sayyes even if she did do this , would that change her feelings for her uncle.
I certainly do not agree with the thought of anyone joining , it is dangerous in many ways, but you can help her with your own knowledge you have shared.
Thank you for your insight. From what I have heard, Pope Francis is a humble man.
Yes, he is. :)
Sayyes we would want to also connect with to spiritual heavenly Father , many do not know him or even try to know him .
Many think they do and yet they disown his name.The truth always makes a difference
But people think religion is all the same.
So getit you inspired me to write , even though I disagree with your beliefs , you caused a postive action good thing . Thank you.