Something does not come from nothing. That being said something MUST be an everlasting thing whether it be God or nature. Is this that safe to say?
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Such a tough topic. I feel as though it is not physically possible for infinity to exist backwards in our reality - onl outside the universe and its laws as we know it - meaning the first cause might be outside the confined realities of our universe?
And just where exactly would thos boundaries be? It is physically impossible to be outside of reality.
God has always existed. If God has always existed and is the infinite one then the universe certainly did not come from nothing but from God. This being said the universe can not infinitely go back in time.
Where did God come from? Cosette? If god "always existed", then so did the universe (always exist). You really can't have one without the other.
God for an eternity back in time was in a self existence. He had no universe just Himself in void. The universe had a beginning, and will have an end. God does not need the universe but the universe needs God.
That is what you believe. But it doesn't make it true. The "void" is another name for the universe. Where does god live now? Still "outside" of this void? Or did he move into the universe? Or is it all the same thing?
Void and the universe are not the same. You could even argue that they are totally opposite! The definition of void is - complete emptiness. The definition of universe is - all existing matter and space considered as a whole.
Please take some astrophysics courses.
I see we're using the Cosmological Argument to try and posit proof for God's existence. We discussed this in my Philosophy of Religion class and ultimately poked holes all over in it.
To have mixing and recycling there must be a substance to mix and recycle. To have chaos there must be something to characterize as chaotic. If nothing is everlasting then nothing would exist. Yet here we are talking.
Both 'everlasting' and 'nothing' are human concepts, limited by the scope of human perception. Something that might seem eternal to us, could actually have a beginning and an end.
I do not think we can go as far as saying we have proof that God exist. I do believe however that there are many evidences that point to that conclusion. I am not talking about only the bible being part of those evidences. There are many more.
Exactly why I mention the body and it's orderly functions , why is it that the human body functions with exact timing of a birth, 9 months, the bloom of youth, puberty, all are orderly stages, we actually have micro wheels that turn and move in us.
The thing is, a person can just as easily say that the complexity and order of a human and all of its functions can be attributed to nature. That being said nature is just as orderly as God is perceived.
Corsette,I understand what you are saying
As an example someone climb the ladder , but did they reach the top,or did they climb
A couple and returned.
Like a gardener who plants the seed but did he make the seed , no.nature happens but there more
Just so you know I agree with you. I Believe in God, the bible and everything that entails. Evidence that is shown by nature and science can go both ways to point to evolution or God. Two people can look at a fossil and say wow God or wow evolution.