According to Matthew 27:5, "So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself." So obviously he was not motivated by greed, hated what he'd been forced to do, and hated himself for doing it. Christians believe Jesus died for their sins and did so intentionally. If this is so, why do most Christians consider Judas a betrayer if he aided Jesus in His mission by telling the Romans where and who Jesus was? If it had to happen for Jesus to save mankind, how could it be evil? Why would helping God (Jesus) fulfill God's plan be considered betrayal?
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This is one of those contradictions that people seem to shy away from. Thank you for your insight.
JM: Not as today w/surveillance by Govt! Jesus moved around! As a matter of fact, He appeared in 1 place & appeared miles away in seconds (SPIRIT in the flesh=Christ, No airplane)! That's why "religion" blvs Matt 28:18-20 last Words v Act 1:9!
Judas was not hand picked. Jesus said someone sitting there would betray Him. Each disciple asked, "Is it I?" No hand picking necessary. Jesus said, "One of you has a devil."
Virgil, are you saying that Jesus did not choose his own apostles?
Virgil: Jesus DID "hand pick" Judas (Lk 6:13;22:3 Acts 1:16-17)!
You don't think JESUS "KNEW" (KNOWS) all?
@JMc That isn't what I meant. The question implies that Judas was chosen to be the one to betray Jesus. Your answer implies the same. If I made a mistake in understanding you, I apologize.
Jesus, being god, knows everything, does he not (except apparently when figs are in season). He chose judas, knowing that judas would betray him, without which Jesus could not die like he was supposed to.
Virg: If Jesus "Knows ALL," He KNEW Judas was "betrayer" initially or when chosen! Either one believes He "knows all," or not!
@NO, that is not the point. The point is, Was he chosen to betray Jesus.
Judas made a conscious decision to betray Jesus. His own device. Because Jesus knew who would do it, does not mean that one was chosen for that task.
Virg: Again, He "knows ALL" or doesn't! Which one? He KNOWS one before "mother's womb" (Jeremiah 1:5; Ps 139:16; Heb 4:13)
NO, did God know Adam would eat the fruit? Yes. Did God want him to eat it? No.
Get back on point please.
Virg: I'm "on point" discussing JUDAS & JESUS' knowledge of his betrayal beforehand! You off point w/Adam & Eve! GOD "Knew" them too or Jeremiah & Daniel LIED!
See how GOD wants to be GLORIFIED?
Kylyssa: Were u asking me re: Council
Unfollowing now. Just to let you know.
Virg: Follow when you want TRUTH from His Word! That's ALL i have for we must ALL "stand before the judgment seat of Christ!" (II Cor 5:10)
Mat 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
No Jesus does not Know everything, Because He is not God. Some things the father doesn't share with His Son.
Rich: Speaking in "parable!" Father/Son so "man" can relate! He only saying "None of your business, "I" haven't decided" otherwise Rev 1:8 (+ more) LIED!
HE "TRIED" to relate, but due to "carnal" thinking, no one can "see!"
Matthew 24:36 is not a parable, it is a direct answer to questions that were being asked. The man Jesus was talking to other men/women that were there, it is not the complicated mystery you try to make things.
Rich: Then why the Word "MYSTERY" in Scripture so often? Must be something "Mysterious" about IT or did that LIE too?
Remember: Jn 4:24? The ONLY way "revealed!" MOST "taught" to read "literally!" BIG MISTAKE!
Read Matt 13:10-13!
You cannot name one scripture that Jesus mentions a mystery without telling you what it is, thus it is no longer a mystery. (He used the word twice) John used it twice and Paul the other seventeen times. Jesus never claimed to know all.
Rich: Yes, "He let u know what MYSTERY is" if 1 can "see!" But what you're saying makes Him a LIAR -"Jesus never claimed to know all" based on Rev 1:8 (or is that a LIE too)?
STOP reading "literally" or Matt 13:10-13!
Give me the scripture that says Jesus said He knew all. Crickets............ There isn't one don't waste your time implying there is one. Do you not understand Matt 13:10-13 and would like me to explain it to You?
Rich If HE said He was "ALPHA & OMEGA," what gives u rt to say He "doesn't know ALL?" Get real! U calling HIM a "LIAR?"
Don't need "man" 2 explain as u've had! WORD (aka Jesus/Holy Spirit) gives better "Revelation" of MYSTERY!
Rev 1:8 is not about Jesus it is about God. But you think they are all the same thing so I'm wasting my time. Just because it shows up red doesn't mean it should be red, again man and his doctrine making things fit.
Rich: ".. man and his doctrine making things fit." Funny u blv "rest" of "red writings" r fm Jesus but only when suits u?
HS will "reveal" ALL if tampered!
U know not the only Script saying JESUS IS GOD! Is 44:10-13!
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What seems right to man...Ump, ump ump!
Judas was JESUS' "vessel" so Scripture could be FULFILLED! JESUS was sitting there when HE "ALLOWED" Satan to enter (Jn 13:26) & commanded him to "Do quickly!" Scripture then FULFILLED!
Thank u Judas!
No Jesus didn't say anything in Exodus, nor in Romans. In the case of Exodus he had not been born. In the case of Romans He had already died and risen from the dead and was seated at the right hand of God. It is God that is merciful because of Jesus.
Thank you for answering this from a Christian perspective. What are your thoughts on the differing accounts of Judas in the Bible, is it that the Council of Nicaea got involved and messed things about?
Rich: Move into "Spirit" & not "The letter!" If Exd & Rm not JESUS, then Eph 4:4-6 & other Scriptures LIED for IT says "ONE SPIRIT!" The "rt hand of God" is "righteousness" not an arm w/hand or Scripture would say "thrones!" I Tim 3:16
Comments get out of order here so it's confusing, sometimes. Yes, Norine, I was asking you about your thoughts on Council of Nicaea, if you thought the differing accounts of Judas in the Bible came from something added then.
Kyls: Most agree w/Rich fm "carnal" interpretation & why I thought u asked him. Jesus (Holy Spirit;Jn 14:26 "in my Name"); (& I no u wont blv) "REVEALS" UNTRUTH no matter who tampers! SPIRIT of discernment is but 1 gift afforded fm Holy Spir
Charlie: Yes, Jesus "knew/knows" all thgs & I can "see" that Jesus saw weakness & love of money & knew he was a good candidate for the job! Agree! JUDAS' weakness (money) prevented him fm "serving the Lord w/ALL his heart" & "realized
Thank you for your input, Charlie. So Jesus just used him like a tool, knowing it would destroy him, and threw him away after he'd served His purpose.
K: Will be Interesting to hear his response based on Judas' actions prior to hanging himself (Confessed & Repented (Matt 27:3-4) as we do today for forgiveness) & considering Jesus went into grave thereafter (I Pet 3:19) .
k- no, Jesus just allowed him to obtain the desires of his evil heart.
Charlie: Did u see him "confess & repent" in Script (req'd of us)? (Matt 27:3) Then I Pet 3:19? As a "vessel" for Script to be "fulfilled" MY MERCIFUL JESUS "may have" forgiven? But Jn 21:22! Not OUR business! Just "look" @ JESUS!