Why Are Christians Afraid To Follow Jesus?

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wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years ago
Why Are Christians Afraid To Follow Jesus?

Once again, the Christian mainstream has turned it's back on the image of God. "...Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me ..." .A brief history:

• 1830: mainstream Christians do nothing to stop the removal of the Five Civilized Tribes from 20 million acres of ancestral homelands.

•1939: The St Louis carrying 937 Jewish refugees is denied entry into the United States and forced to return to Europe. 254 of the passengers die in the Holocaust as a result.

• 2015:Christians turn their backs on thousands of Syrian refugees.

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Ericdierkerposted 8 years ago
This question assumes a fundamentally wrong premise. That one person, you, decides how another person, all others, should follow Jesus. Jesus is redeemer and savior for all. But it is a highly personal relationship that a Christian must follow. For one to say "this is not following Jesus" for another is not blasphemy but it is akin to it. For Ronnie to say that Eric must follow Jesus this way and not his way is tantamount to telling me what I must believe in order to be a Christian -- it just does not work that way.
America is a Christian nation by populace makeup. It is not a Christian nation by fiat or policy. All of the above mentioned tragedies were carried out by a government that Jews and Muslims and Buddhists and Native Americans and Hispanics elect. We most assuredly do not have a Christian Government -- 100% not. Thank God. What is this "image of God" that you have for me. Is He in a white robe with long whiskers or is He an orb? How could you possibly know what my image of God is? There is no innate or Gospel "image of God".
So we Christians are not afraid to follow our God but I would be fearful of following yours.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric:The "Image of God" is in Scripture-It is Written! Urs should be the same as mine, if Christ dwells in U! Ronnie is RIGHT! If "personal," why should we be "ON ONE ACCORD?" If U don't follow Jesus' WORD, who do U serve? Why UR Jesus v Mine?
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  krillcoposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine: 'Urs should be the same as mine, if Christ dwells in U!" It's arrogant, self-righteous fundies like you that give Christianity a bad name and push people away from Christ rather than bring them into the fold. Just. Shut. Up.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No killco, U should follow your own advice, and read more. The Law of Gravity will not spare U when you fall from the window. No matter what U want to believe. Unlike my subordinates, I will leave your evil comment for the world to see.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Bill: They told Jesus to "shut up" & killed Him for not doing so! So who am I? TRUTH hurts (Heb 4:12)! Did I not give WORD (Rm 8:10-25)? Did I speak or Jesus?
  
  With statement like that, we KNOW who U serve (Jn 8:44)!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine you are so busy talking , and trying look right , you just supported a bad comment and threat,
  To tell some one to fall from a window without gravity is not christian , but you are so busy feeding your ego of praise you let that slide by.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: Sounds like U'r talking about urself! Did I not give WORD? U continue to LIE on JESUS=blasphemy=and continue to call His Word A LIE (Mk 3:28-30)! Now who looks "ignorant" (I Cor 12:1-31)?
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  KT, U R having trouble with the English language. Jesus is likened to the Law of Gravity in my comment. No compromise. No threat. Just a fact.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie: She has a "personal vendetta" against me for I give WORD which is against her (JW) belief! She did not "WAIT" but was taught! Nothing against U I'm sure! If she would READ I Cor 12:1-31 she would see 1 Spirit as says Eph 4:4-6! Pray!
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, evil can be very cunning in it's presentation, but you will notice that the naysayers have not spoken of the indifference to my people, the Jews, or now the Syrians. What they say, and don't say betrays their true heart.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine you are no vendetta of mine, just because I disagree with your teachings is not personal. But you think you are that important that I have to worry about you, No
  The only worry I have is between me and God. And only he knows the heart.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: He DOES "know the heart" & it has been "hardened" against TRUTH (WORD)!
  As Ronnie said "What they say, and don't say betrays their true heart." is TRUE!
  Be careful r the world will "see" the "TRUE U!"
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  KT, Apparently U do have a vendetta. This thread has been going for 9 days. Yet, U only become hostile when Norine comes on board. It is quite obvious. Would U like to discuss it ? Or would U prefer beating a dead horse? Your call.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine my trust is in My God because humans judge and condemn hypocritical
  You are the example of this .I am happy Jesus is all the things we need to live up to.
  I do not wish to continue threads with you because you are unkind.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  KT, Do U have any thoughts about the Syrian refugees, or is it all about Norine?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie have you just now notice my comments because I disagree with Norine,
  I have been commenting way before she appeared and you as well on many topics.
  What is it that you want me to say about your question Ronnie?
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That's a funny question. I feel like I'm 5 years old again. I don't moderate. Say what U like, and then pick me up a box of animal crackers on your way home.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I am just replying to your question and I did post one that is still showing anyone can see it. What more can I say ,then that God hates violence, if we are children of God we should be peaceful in every aspect of love.
  Imitators of Jesus.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie: U stated, "... in a couple of years you'll get to explain why." when responding to Eric! Has Holy Spirit spoken to U also re: "The Time is Nigh?"
  R U "Witness?" (Deut 19:15; Matt 18:16; 2 Cor 13:1)
  
  We MUST tell ALL to "GET READY"(always)!
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, His "personal relationship" with JC is actually a "personal definition".The word defines Jesus.The Holy Spirit even further. Even in the lower regions they will continue to commiserate, explain, and make excuses.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie: Jesus has been defined in word but they continue in their "personal opinion" of Him defying word. Consider Galatians 1:6-9. This is the dispensation in which we now live (AFTER the Day of Pentecost) as Christ gathers "The Church!"
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  JLauren Angelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric - Great points. There are human made pictures which depict what God looks like to them, but it is not everyone's image nor picture. Norine, no one believes the same as you. How do I know you are truly with GOD and not some demonic nation?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Lauren: If I give HIS WORD, why ask "demonic?" It's up to U to do as Acts 17:11 w/guidance fm Holy Spirit if U "WAITED;" otherwise, U will continue to "interpret!" Yes, there r others who blv as I! Try Judah's Daughter on HubPages! (Gal 1:12)
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Isa 42:5 This is what the true God, Jehovah, says, The Creator of the heavens and the Grand One who stretched them out, The One who spread out the earth and its produce,The One who gives breath to the people on it And spirit to those who walk on it:
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I assume, and rightfully so that God gave each man eyes to see. And that no two eyes see something exactly the same. And God gave each man a heart with which to see, and no two men feel the same. God is personal and not what you make me believe.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric:How "carnal" r U? GOD (aka Holy Spirit) would not make U "see" WORD diff from another if Christ dwells in U! That's why they were on ONE ACCORD in Acts! Holy Spirit lead w/SAME SPIRIT! If on ONE ACCORD, not "personal" but SAME SPIRIT w/1 MIND!
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I am sorry but you are bonkers in such. You actually think that you know God's will for me? You know my relationship with God? You must be a prophet.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Your lack of knowledge reveals that you would do well to listen to the prophet. Why are U jealous of talented, and upright people?
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Show me one. Show me one that is not critical and bombastic and making insults. Such a one that is tolerant and loving toward all and not a verbal sword carrier. And this one I shall respect.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eph 3:8-9! That SAME SPIRIT is avail to ALL who BELIEVE & don't "Lean to their OWN understanding" (Prov 3:5)!
  Do U "see" how Holy Spirit sent witness (Ronnie) to defend His Word? If not, "look" but only IN THE SPIRIT!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie there is no such thing , humble means to listen , to allow yourself to be humble under the Sovereign Father , the couple you mention stop listening when the heart skemmed. You seem to only speak negative comments. I will not waste time.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: "Humble yourself means to listen" yet U cont? Did not JESUS talk thru a "jack ass" (Num 22:23-27)! Listen to msg, not msgr!
  You r right in saying "...I will not waste my time" & please don't waste others if not willing to listen to TRU
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wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years ago
Your answer clearly reveals that you know very little about the gospel of Jesus. But the good news is, all you have to do is read, and pray. Love is not up for interpretation. If you cannot see the image of God, then you do not know Jesus. The image of God is strewn about the ground in Syria; little boys and little girls ; blown apart and dismembered. That is the image of God. The image of God has also recently been defiled in Nigeria,Paris, San Bernardino, and in other parts of the world.

The Christian is not better than Jesus. I am not better than Jesus. Jesus suffered a terrible torment, and was then crucified that I might live. That is the standard set by Jesus for the Christian to follow. Our personal happiness, wealth, and safety are not the most important things. It is only our love for one another. It is only love, not the human intellect, that can elevate us above the world, and allow us to clearly see.

Your words betray a confusion that stems from the fact that you falsely believe Jesus lives only in a Book, and can be freely defined to suit your own personal need or convenience. But Jesus is right here beside me. This is the living Gospel of Jesus. Jesus demands that we help these Syrian children. If we do not, then the Christian Mainstream can only be seen for what it truly is: a fashionable club for capitalist consumers; a nest of hypocrites and vipers, counting their money while pretending Jesus.

It does not matter whether or not we go to church on Sunday. It doesn't matter if we call the name of Jesus, Bob, Carol, or Francine. A name is only a fictional placeholder for what is real. Love is real Eric. Love doesn't care about a terrorist, over the safety and well being of a child. Love will even sacrifice it's own child to save the life of another. Love reciprocates and love replenishes. Follow the world, follow America if you must. But I am following Jesus.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I think that that is wonderful Ronnie. Perhaps just by chance you and I share the image of God as pure love. I wish more Christians had that view also. Other than the Vatican "Holy See" is their a nation of Christianity? I might move there.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You interpret the world through 5 senses. That would explain why you cannot see the "nation" you speak of. In order to do this, a man must first qualify. When that which stands above you commands; you either respond, or U are trampled under foot.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  How do you know I am not blind or deaf or both? You sure make a lot of assumptions about people.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You have admitted through your commentary that you are both. That question has already been answered.
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dashingscorpioposted 8 years ago

The U.S. has separation of church and state!
The U.S. is also a country that consists of many diverse religions as well as having citizens who are atheist.
Therefore government decisions by elected officials are not bind by any one religion. Our constitution trumps the bible or any other religious document when it comes to governing our nation.
According to World Christian Encyclopedia there are 33,000+ total "Christian" denominations!
Jesus said to "Turn the other cheek".
Obviously if the U.S. followed that creed it would not be a super power.
Odds are the U.S. will be spilling American blood in order to allow Syrian refugees to return to their homeland.
Having said that the U.S. annually provides more foreign aid than any other nation on earth! And yet it is not "perfect"!
We understand for example that Islam is not about cutting off people's heads and blowing up people to pieces. However those who make these attacks claim to be followers of Islam working on behalf of Allah!
My point is within every large religious base are various sects and groups who disagree among themselves.
Just as some people are wrong to paint a wide brush on Muslims there are those who choose to paint a wide brush on Christians.
Ultimately no individual is perfect and therefore no group is perfect.
Ecclesiastes 7:20
"For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not"
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  There is truth in your words, but much of what you have said does not apply. This is not directed toward the government, or toward the secular community, or the atheists, or any other religion. Only those pretending Jesus.
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  dashingscorpioposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Actually it is our government or elected officials that make policy for the country. Odds are half of the people are in favor of something and the other half is against it!
  The political party in power makes the call not the Christians.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That's beside the point. Jesus didn't follow government. Ever heard of the Montgomery Bus Boycott ? Somebody had to set that in motion. It wasn't the government. The people make the call if the people want to. At least they can try. See many trying?
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  dashingscorpioposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  We know what happened to Jesus! Do you know how many people died during the Civil War? Civil Rights battles of the 60s? And these were people who already lived here!
  It's unrealistic to expect that same type of sacrifice for non citizens.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  A good point, and it clarifies my position. If you stand with Jesus, you do not hesitate to make the sacrifice when children are being murdered. That is why I stated earlier that this is not about the secular community, but those who claim Jesus.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Do you make the stand that you stand against those who kill children?
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Of course Eric. Now present the question you really want to ask.
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  JLauren Angelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  So you stole an image from the internet, and did not cite a source. Do you know what the fine is for plagiarizing in today's day an age is? IF not you better check, yes they track where the images go and yes you can be sued or jailed for stealing.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Lauren: Who r U addressing?
  Why did you "hide" under another's comments?
  Something's amiss!
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  JLauren Angelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norrine - you hide yourself without an image. I am not afraid of you. The bible does not say embrace the people of Syria, its say to trust the Israelites. God's Chosen people have a wall around their city. There is no image of God.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  JLS,Matt. 25:45 "He will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' That applies to the whole world.Even North Korea
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Lauren: U really don't know His Word! I'm sorry!
  Galatians 3:28 says "There is neither Jew nor Greek..." (or any other race/nationality/color) "... for ye are all "ONE" IN CHRIST JESUS." Haven't read yet "Christian?"
  U portray no image of God!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine you are not proving your self a Christian bullying people, Jesus did not teach u kindness as you constantly badger people trying to appear righteous, she has the right to her oppion.as you , your conduct is from another spirit not Jesus.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  KT, U have been sorely deceived by mainstream B.S. The followers of Jesus R warriors. Not geeks sitting around waiting on the shuttle bus to Heaven.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: Isaiah prophesied that the world would come to this "No judgment in their ways"(Isa 59:1-15)!
  RELIGION KILLS!
  How can 1 know wrong IF no 1 tells them! GOD hates when we don't judge!
  "Judge RIGHTEOUS judgment" w/WORD not one's "opinion!"
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." If we do not fight with Jesus then we R against him
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It is a deception of man and a distortion of God to see battles.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie the scripture is true but understood out of context, first you said it , not against flesh and blood is us , we are flesh and blood, Jesus is a spirit now and so is the demons , the war originates with them, we can not battle unseen demons,
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yes Eric, a blind man cannot see. If Malcolm and Martin hadn't "seen a battle" a lot of black people would still be sitting in the back of the bus. Jesus said: Get thee behind me Satan.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie that is why Jesus made this request for us.
  Joh 17:15“ I do not request that you take them out of the world, but that you watch over them because of the wicked one.
  You see Jesus knew we can not fight what we can not see.
  If so why ask him.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  We are deceived by the plight of man. It is nearly irrelevant for all men in Christ are save. Battles are for those who live in the skin and not for those who live in the spirit. Good for your heroes, they "saved" not one soul. They changed events.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine there is no mission to prove people wrong, that is not issue , and having knowledge will not be enough, it is accurate knowledge that will save people.
  Judas had all the accurate knowledge but
  His actions ended his life forever.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Honestly? Do U know so LITTLE? Eph 6:12 "We wrestle not against flesh & blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Come on "Christians!"
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine I do not doubt you have some knowledge, like a doctor who may know the human body , does not mean he is skilled to do surgery because he has mastered one book and got his degree. There is a difference in what you do here.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: What U fail to realize is the HOLY SPIRIT "leads & guides me into ALL truth" (surgery too, if necessary)! I BELIEVE whereas U don't!
  U continue to show how "carnal" v Spiritual U are (Rm 8:8) & U don't please GOD!
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, It is clear from your commentary that U will "not save one soul" nor "change one event". ML King was a prophet of God who followed Jesus. I have known many "nobody's", and they made themselves that way. And so I meet another.
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LoliHeyposted 8 years ago
Some Christians are turning their backs because they are afraid and don't trust the refugees. In the case of the Jewish refugees, that was wrong, because Jewish people don't want to kill Gentiles. However, among the refugees there could be ISIS people, or potential ISIS people, and I think that is what everyone is worried about. True, you should help the needy, but I don't know that the bible verse in reference to that is relevant in this case.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  From the perspective of a Christian, fear is no excuse. This is why they are held to a higher standard. If you believe in eternal life, and the promise of salvation, you do not allow the fear of death to shape your destiny.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Lolita, I hit the wrong button and accidentally deleted your comment. Sorry! Hubpages gives no way to undo. If you don't mind, please resubmit.
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  LoliHeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Just because we can look forward to eternal life does not mean we should let our enemies kill us!
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That appears to be reasonable, but by focusing on self-preservation in the "now", we only help to perpetuate future misery by allowing fear to insulate the root of evil. Matt. 16:25, "For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it"
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  W. Joe B.posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Is your only use for this forum to revile others? If so, you're doing a great job, as that is all you have done. There have been several, no many, well-written conversation starters, yet your only response is to place yourself in an exalted position
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Your words have placed me above you. Syrian children have suffered since 2011. Now they suffer even more. But your words are spent questioning my character and authority. I do not know the name of your master, but It is not Jesus you represent.
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  LoliHeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie, who are you to judge others and tell them what their relationship with God is?
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "God" is not a club we choose whether or not to join. If you kill a man, even a fool has the authority to say you are a killer. If U stand with Jesus U stand above all. Do U have no faith in yourself? I did not seek my authority, as it was granted.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Wow, that is deep!
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, Just like the entity from the "killing state" of Texas, it appears that U R more concerned with vilifying the messenger than addressing the issue. But all is well, in a couple of years you'll get to explain why.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie" U r RIGHT! They "hate" JESUS but pretend He's their "personal Savior!" If they loved Him, they would do as He's stated in HIS WORD "Love thy neighbor as thyself!"
  
  Hypocrites!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Dear Norine you must know by now nothing you say can disturb me , nor change the truth, if you find it right to say the things you say may Jehovah and Jesus be the Judge
  For they really are .that is why we are in the flesh on earth not in heaven.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: I will stand before "the judgment seat of Christ" & say the same for IT IS WRITTEN & I will not be wrong for I only "repeat" His Word! Can U say the same? If so, U know I Cor 12 says ONE SPIRIT not 2 or 3 & Phil 2:9-11 didn't L
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  gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  THIS IS THE BEST ANSWER, SUCCINCT AND INTELLIGENT!
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  PeterStipposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "There could be ISIS people" among them...
  Since the Syrian civil war began, 320,000 people have been killed, 12,000 children. 1.5 million people have been wounded or permanently disabled, - 1 in a 1.5 million - what are the odds!!!!
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  peter,You are expressing a secular fear. For a true Christian the priority is helping those in need. Fear cannot supercede faith in Jesus. Otherwise, we are talking hypocrisy.
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  JLauren Angelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  God gave us a brain too, to not go blindly into the future, to think for ourselves and to do what we should in his name. Not trusting the refugees is the WHOLE DEAL. I will not open my house to murders, according to God I have this right.
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  PeterStipposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie I was quoting Lolita.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Lauren: U continue to "look out for SELF" which is AGAINST "The image of God!" TRUST/BELIEVE n HIS WORD r U're not "in the image of God!" I Cor 13:4-13?
  "Brain?" (Prov 3:5;Rm 8:8;II Chron7:14)!
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If man did not sin then he would need not Christ. Following Christ requires us to be human. Humans have faults. This does not mean they are afraid and are not Christians. Quite the opposite is true. Ronnie is perfect he need not Christ.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: Just the opposite (Rm 8:8)! Following Christ requires us to “Walk in the Spirit” (Gal 5:16-17; 6) or not “Christian!”
  Ronnie & I are saying: “A LIFE W/O COURAGE OR CONVICTION, IS A LIFE W/O “NOTHING!”
  It's time for ALL to re-think belie
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine
  So, were the Apostles 'walking in the Spirit' when they blew it? Or were they being human?
  As for Lauren's comment Jesus did give us a brain, he also told us when we turn them away we're turning him away! Do you really want to do that?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Law: Jesus Followers were not apostles until AFTER Holy Spirit came then where's mistake? U LIE on HS!
  How can U agree w/Lauren who's against WORD? "Brain, not go blindly, not trusting, I will not..", etc.
  Did U "WAIT?"
  ALL cont to "reveal" self
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie as written. 1Sa 15:23 for rebelliousness is the same as the sin of divination, and pushing ahead presumptuously the same as using magical power and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of Jehovah, he has rejected you from being king
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  KT, I'll be sure and post a notice for all Firefighters,Doctors,Nurses, and Social Workers that they need to chill out and let Jesus put out the fires; just do nothing and wait 4 that shuttle bus to Heaven!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie your comment is presumptuous, I do not believe in a shuttle bus to heaven.
  You certainly have no trust in God from your comments. Everybody is not going to heaven as written so your comment to me is invalid.
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  PeterStipposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The discussion is completely surreal. I'm flabbergasted at times.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  peter, Yes I also find it fascinating. It is similar to the story, "The Emperors New Clothes". They pretend to see Jesus but are only looking at their own reflection. But when Jesus comes knocking, they call him a vagrant and send him away.
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine
  I said it right. The Apostles! If they got Jesus right why did the HS have to intervene and show Peter (and the others) that Gentiles could come to faith? (Acts 10 and Acts 15)
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  L: U cont to "look at the letter!" PAUL ONLY ONE FULLY ANOINTED! He cont "fulfilling law" in Jesus' stead! Now IMMEDIATE ANOINTING (depending on 1's "LEVEL OF FAITH") avail to ALL! Paul didn't walk earth w/Jesus under "law" as others! Gal 1:12
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, you say U love peter, and so I must ask: Would you send him money if he needed it? Would U let him sleep at your house if he were homeless? If he were sick and dying, would you travel 100 miles to sit beside him?
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That is a great question that goes to the heart of it Ronnie. Would you judge me based on the answer I give? Would you throw stones because you are without sin? I just might do that for Peter.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, Matt 5:37 "Let your conversation be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay; for whatever is MORE THAN THESE cometh of EVIL!"
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, U have mocked the prophet and she has confounded U. Even John was not perfection, though he stood above us all. Sin has not blinded me, nor made me a liar before man. U have judged yourself. As it is written upon U, as it is manifested here.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Gibberish.
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  So, to those preaching "hellfire and damnation" to those not 'running to the breach' when's your ticket booked for? PUT YOUR BODY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!!
  To those still struggling with being Human, God is patient and kind, he loves you.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  L, Jesus did not run from evil. Many B4 have warned of where U are going. The choice is clear: Go with America, or go with Jesus. That is not a fence that many of U sit on. It is the bodies of dead children stacked in winding rows.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  L: Why do U not BELIEVE? Did Jesus not say "HE" (Holy Spirit; Jn 14:26 "IN MY NAME") would "lead & guide us?" If FAITH exists, no "hell & damnation" but PROB:W/O "FAITH" ="Struggle!" We don't have to do anything-HE ALREADY HAS!
  Gal 3:22-25!
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, They speak the words of demons and fools. What is a follower but one who emulates the one he follows? They say they follow Jesus. But a man cannot follow when he is still sitting down. They defy the Law of Gravity, and so they will perish.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie: "But a man cannot follow when he is still sitting down."
  GOD IS TIRED!
  Tired of ALL "Using His Name in Vain!"
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine
  I do believe! but I also want to give a 'little slack' for the guy struggling to follow thru, is that wrong? I've 'been there' and followed through, read some of my hubs and see for yourself!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  L: Does Jesus "give slack" (Is 55:11)? Too much "slack" is why this Q is posed!
  ALL should've "WAITED" for HELP (HS)=no "struggle!" Why give "slack" to disobedient?
  If your HUBS r an indication of your commentaries, "No thanks!"
  U did NOT "WAIT!"
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  L, A little slack for the guy hanging at the beach or the shopping mall? Have U ever been in a refugee camp. Ever seen your family disintegrate in front of your eye's? Syria needs some slack since 2011. But you're worried about frail sensibilities.
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krillcoposted 8 years ago
How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The fact that you see no practical value in my question is to your own detriment. But I do have the answer to your rhetorical question. I am perhaps the first in over a thousand years to answer correctly: More than you could count in a lifetime.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine you think it is right saying it is the commonly conservative white christains , what is right about that statement , you are being racist in that statement. It is clear, there is nothing good about what you have said , not christian.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: They established RELIGION! "Race" isn't the issue here r Q wouldn't have been posed.GOD is "no respecter of person" (Rm 2:11), so who am I?
  WRONG is WRONG!
  Why do U continue to fight Holy Spirit (TRUTH N WORD)?
  Jn 16:11.
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  JLauren Angelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Depends, are you talking angels of darkness or light?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ps 24:1, 2 To Jehovah belong the earth and everything in it, The productive land and those dwelling on it.2 For he has solidly fixed it on the seas And firmly established it on the rivers.
  Ps 104:5 He has established the earth on its foundations;
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Lauren: Why did U quote I Cor 13:4-13 as the image of God yet talk like this? Something's amiss! If one would have "WAITED" one could discern the angel of darkness fm the angel of light (unless U're speaking of one's color)? Irrelevant to GOD!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie Mt 26:52Then Jesus said to him: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword.
  Jesus did not even want Peter to use his sword in his behalf.
  So much he warned that you would die by your own.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: IF U knew WORD, the "sword" is HIS WORD under New Covenant (Heb 4:12) which is ALL we (True Christians) r to use! As a soldier for the Lord, use, judge, correct, (II Tim 3:16) w/WORD!
  IF U KNEW WORD instead of being "taught" U would KNOW!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine your conduct speaks for itself.
  While you are stuck on yourself and stoning peoples comments, you showing a different spirit, This is not the way or fruits of the spirit, You can't see it but others can.
  Stop bashing people to be superior.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: It's "religiously correct christians" as Urself that has this world the way it is! No judgment-No Peace! Jesus judged & so should we if Christ dwells n U? I will judge angles (I Cor 6:3) who r u?
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, KT makes many assumptions. When I speak of warriors, she can only see the flesh. Many R afraid to speak of the spirit 4 fear of ridicule. Without the Holy Spirit the word does not unfold, and they are only reading words in a book.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie: TRUE!
  Jn 4:24 "TRUE (SPIRIT) WORSHIPERS" r who He seeks or Christ doesn't dwell in them!
  Thank GOD U KNOW this Ronnie!
  Have a Merry Christmas! God Bless!
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I have been accused of being a prophet, now I am accused of perfection, but who has accused Syria of being delivered? Let the blasphemer continue the revelation.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie: U r a prophet for anytime U speak the WORD of GOD (in context), U r perfect! It's not U, but JESUS (His Word)! Remember "not flesh & blood, but Spirit!"
  Syria? They don't care!
  They cont 2 "sugar coat" but reveal themselves, as usual!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You see Norine you use the word of God to puppet your mind and heart, you are not a Christian , you want to be one. Your words speak from the heart .
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: U cont to deny the Power of the Holy Spirit by saying things i.e., "there are things not under our jurisdiction to touch or bother.." when Scripture says to "Love thy neighbor as thyself!"
  Yes, "I speak fm my heart" (WORD)!
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I just saw this/ Ronnie actually answered a rhetorical question with a straight face braggadocio answer. That is funnier then Hades.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, but what is not so funny is that U will answer to God 4 all the merriment U have had today, at the expense of Syria and her children. God will not be mocked.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: "Boasting" is allowed IF w/Jesus' Word (Gal 6:14). Read II Cor 11! (v 10)"...no man shall stop me of this boasting..."
  Also, consider vs 13-15 & II Cor 12:7-9! "His Grace is sufficient" for those upholding HIS WORD!
  If U only KNEW WORD!
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W. Joe B.posted 8 years ago
Your question is, at the very best, rhetorical, and at the very worst, ignorant. Your hypothesis that these incidents are a purely Christian responsibility shows a prominant disregard of simple civics. You appear from your use of the language to have some degree of intelligence, yet your question denies it.
Government policy is not dictated by any one faith, so the placement of blame you so glibly throw around is as absurd as your supposition that you have the right to determine anybody's relationship with God other thsn your own. You know absolutely nothing about any of us, yet you confer on yourself tbe right to be both judgemental and rude in answering people. who have politely attempted to answer the question in a manner that implies a conversation, something you are obviously incapable of having.
Don't place your idea of perfection on other people. It will turn around and bite you when you least expect it. "Judge not lest you be judged by the same measure..." Are you, by chance, familiar with that ine?
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You have displayed a lack of reading comprehension. The question has nothing to do with "sole" responsibility, but Christian hypocrisy over the last 200 years. Jesus has determined the relationship. Your threats are meaningless. I do not fear death.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  This is well written and in keeping with logical thought rather than trying to prove a point. Makes me pause and remember times when I dealt with other young men dealing with anger and trying to find a place to focus it.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  A lame attempt to create a strawman and shoot the messenger; an apology for Christians who view Jesus more as a ticket to Heaven than a way of life The world hates Jesus because he has exposed their hiding place, and has shewn they run in packs.
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  W. Joe B.posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I am not the one threatening you. Why is that always the knee-jerk response when someone wants to forget parts of the word when using other sections for a soap box?
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  WJB, The quote U used is not a commandment but a warning.Big difference. Without judgment, man would be accountable 4 nothing. 4 example: I can judge the hypocrite, as I am not. Hypocrisy cannot hide behind scripture. Follow Jesus or Mammon.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Be weary of those who deny that they commit a sin such as hypocrisy. No man is free from such bondage.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You also make assumptions. Perhaps I am not a man. As I can clearly see far above U. And perhaps I am also not a dog, as I don't go running; foaming at the mouth, to rip, to rend, and to vilify the image of God. Beware of yourself, and post a sign.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Now you and Norine can sugar coat the words and add them but you said it plain
  more. "The Law of Gravity will not spare U when you fall from the window. "
  Even a child can understand these words
  Both of you ought to be ashamed of youselfs, truth.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: Why don't U "READ" (I Cor 12) instead of trying to find fault? Ur "teachings" will KILL U!
  NOTHING will save U when U deny HIS WORD; As "Law of Gravity" KILLS, so does UNBELIEF!
  STOP looking "ignorant" to maintain "self righteousness!"
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It is funny that U would dispute the Law of Gravity. But I caution you not to test it by jumping off of a bridge. It is also not wise to mock God.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie: I continue to give WORD re: "mocking" God=blasphemy for GOD is "The Holy Spirit" & blasphemy="eternal damnation!"
  K&T: Be VERY careful or is "being right" that important to U?
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  Vegas Eliasposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Wrench,
  To answer your question it is important to know that Christians really do not know Jesus. The Christians of today are indoctrinated with very scarce truncated truths about Jesus found in the New Testament.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  V: Amen! Based on PEW report "Christians" in US 70.6&% yet NOT "shouting from rooftops" = Hypocrisy!
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  peter, Then tell us your plan of salvation. A man cannot discern evil without first knowing the good. Otherwise he is blind, and a blind man can only wonder. Where is the good that U see. And how can we get there?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Where"Christians" learn do NOT judge? Matt 7:1 says "U" judge not..!"Ps 37:30;Am5:14-15;Is59:8;1Cor1:10;2:15;6:1-5;Rm16:17-18;2Cor6:17;2Tim3:5-6;1Jn4:1;Mal13:18;Rev2:2;Jn7:24;1Kg3:9;Prov24:23;
  Jer5:1 & MY FAVORITE I Cor 6:3!
  SATAN'S LAUGHING!
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Vegas Elias, I agree. Many do not understand the HS. They do not know they can communicate directly with the source of all creation. Of course we can , as we are creatures within God's creation. Jesus does not live in a book. He is living in my house
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kndashy41posted 8 years ago
Well Wrench, in the Old Testament, Satan encountered Eve as a snake. Sometimes, when we are deep "in our own understanding" we come face to face with a demon that we can't control without giving in to the fact that "our own understanding" of things just doesn't cut it. This country's religion is not holy...it's Democracy. We've tried to shove this hypocritical crap down the throats of nations, not because we believe in "Democracy," but because we have "interests" that have to be protected globally. Now, when it's time to practice true "Democracy" our government is faced with its own putrid shit. The enemy is using this same "Democracy" to travel on the travails of Syrian refugees to gain entry into our land...and they will!!! Remember September 11th. We have an open, "Democratic" society and now the government has to rethink "it's own understanding" in order to fight the "wild man" the Scriptures calls...ISHMAEL. Our government is fearful and rightly so. The American public needs to wake up, it's time...
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It s a myth that terrorists would need to "sneek" in with the refugees. If they exist they are already here. But this is about Christian hypocrisy. My people were not terrorists in 1830. The Christians desired the land more than Jesus. It is evil.
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  kndashy41posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I meant no offense, Wrench. I just believe that this country hides behind "Christian" righteousness and uses the concept of equality to mask its hidden agendas. From its inception, the notion of equality was a myth reserved for a few here & worl
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  None taken. Many of your views I agree with, and some I do not. As the world turns. It is commonly the white conservative Christian who cannot tolerate differing opinions.They have re-designed Jesus to fit their materialistic culture.
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  JLauren Angelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The old testament has already come to pass,
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  kndashy41posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Look Esau (Lauren), if you want to find out whether or not the OT and the Apocrypha and Enoch are prophecy or not, simply read them carefully. Don't try to force a different belief system down my throat.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  L: We're disrespecting author's Question!
  Sorry Ronnie!
  Please see my Q "When Did the Apostles Stop Observing the Law?"
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Kiss andTalesposted 8 years ago
To answer this question is that people realize there is something wrong !
Have you ever had a GPS that you followed and it lead you to a dead end street, why because it was outdated, it did not adjust to detours, road construction, faulty instructions can lead you wrong, once you go down that path you have to reroute and the best way is to use a real map. Another source to get to your destination, many people have been lead wrong and have given up the trip to life eternal.
many people have been lead wrong , they will not change route to get to the goal of their destination, they lost faith during the trip.
Mt 7:14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it.

Mt 7:21“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.
Notice Jesus said the one doing the will of his Father will.
he certainly did not say do my will or name himself here.
Because he also does his Father’s will.

Joh 6:38 for I have come down from heaven to do,( not my own will ), but the will of him who sent me.

Ro 2:13 For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous.

It is clear we have both situations , these people that know and hear the knowledge , and the other people exercise the true knowledge, it is a way of life for them . These are the few that are on the cramped road to living forever in a troubled free world.
Totally different .
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, a difference. The fireman who walks into the burning building to save a child is following Jesus; placing his own life in the hands of God to save another. There is no greater love. The world believes Jesus lives only in a book. Very stupid men.
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  W. Joe B.posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  ...and if the fireman is an Atheist or a Satanist? You make you own mistake of assumption, which you sneer at others for doing. Where is your consistency and relevance?
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  In my example , if the Fireman is an Atheist or Satanist, then he is also following Jesus. There is no assumption as I am the author. Love is not qualified by dogma or religion. Neither is Jesus.
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  W. Joe B.posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You, my friend, have become a waste of time. CAIO!
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  And so I have revealed to the world the heart of mainstream Christianity. Not once did this man mention the mothers and the children of Syria who today cry out for deliverance. I should have framed my question: "Why Do Christians Hate Jesus?"
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The world is in certain conditions based on the assumptions of men of men's choices in Government,is not people who put men in government seats,God has allowed them to prove themselfs can they do it.
  History says No!
  But time has ran out all tested
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  KT,I agree the time is near. The Christians in America have had nearly 250 years to stand by Jesus. Instead they have run headlong to the shopping malls;spending time counting their money; while children are being killed with their tax dollars.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  True Ronnie I agree , that is the knowledge to know.
  But not knowledge work out faith.
  Like being a fireman as stated you know how to save a life from a burning building
  But when to duty , you decline your skill and ability to save a life.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  KT, Yes, the secular world worships self, while the true Christian seeks to deny selfish desire. My personal safety is only a selfish desire. Fear is the destroyer of faith.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie: Agree! Time is "running out!" "Christians" must soon PROVE Jesus or become known for what they "really are" - Hypocrites!
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, Thanks! They have asked who am I to judge, and have held me up to ridicule.They are defenders of the world.But they are judged by the word. A man cannot hate the word and love Jesus. Jesus loves these children. I have no right to deny them.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie: Don't thank me-Thank GOD for U KNOW TRUTH in His Word! I'm thankful to GOD U do! I Cor 6:3 "Dont U know we will judge angels?" So who r they? Isaiah prophesied this - "No judgment!" Is 59:8-15! If they KNEW WORD (Jesus) they'd KNOW!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie Jesus would not say that to anybody. think about it.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: Why do U cont to display "ignorance?" U wish U could "catch me" (Scribe/Pharisee) in err but Holy Spirit won't allow.
  I addressed BILL!
  U're desperate! (Jn 8:44)
  TRUE: LIES will not save one & when against WORD given=blasphemy=eterna
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  KT, First of all I am not Jesus. Secondly, you obviously have no appreciation of simile or metaphor. Your lack of reading comprehension is not my concern.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You see Ronnie I did contribute an answer to your topic that had nothing to do with Norine 5 days ago read post.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie: Matt 13:10-13 (V13) "Therefore speak I to them in parables, because they seeing, see not; and hearing, they hear not, neither do they understand."
  I couldn't have said it better than JESUS! They should've "WAITED!"
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Peter there are plenty of atheist now ? Is the world getting better ? no ! and even though there are christians many are not the ones Jesus claimb as his ginuine followers,
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: Jesus doesn't "claim" ANYTHING!
  IF He SAID IT - "IT IS SO" (Num 23:19) for HE is GOD!
  READ I Cor Chapter 12; since U don't believe Eph 4:4-6 & MANY other Scriptures!
  Don't harden your heart - Jesus is calling (U)!
  I pray!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Jas 4:6 However, the undeserved kindness that He gives is greater. So it says: “God opposes the haughty ones, but he gives undeserved kindness to the humble ones.
  Kindness of his spirit can only be given if you are humble.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  And what about the humble hypocrite? Let us not forget Ananias and Sapphira. You concern yourself with etiquette when thousands are suffering. A fornicator has no greater shame than the hypocrite.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  L: If HS came AFTER Matt 28:19, why do MOST baptize accordingly? I can't find where ANYONE did in Scripture so who do "Christians?"
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Norine Williamsposted 8 years ago
Because they are not "True Worshipers" of Jesus (John 4:24)! How can one forget "No weapon formed against me will prosper" (Isaiah 54:17)? Do they not BELIEVE His Word? Then, why fear, if "Christ dwells within you" (Romans 8:10-25)?

If Scripture (His Word) is how one "interprets," then forms an opinion of "one's Jesus," why is IT WRITTEN for ALL? If one has TRULY received "revelation" from the Holy Spirit, we should ALL be "ON ONE ACCORD" (Acts 1:14)!

Therein lies the problem and is why so MANY denominations exists! "Christians" have read "the letter" (II Corinthians 3:6) and have "formed an opinion" or "interpreted" ("perceived") the Word of God rather than allowing the Holy Spirit "reveal" TRUTH in His Word!

Did not Jesus say in John 14:26 and 16:13 that the Holy Spirit would "lead and guide us into ALL truth?" Did Jesus not send the Holy Spirit (on the Day of Pentecost; Acts 2:2) to do that? Have "Christians" not done as "commanded" in Acts 1:4 which was to "WAIT" for the promise (Holy Spirit) which, saith he, ye have heard from me?" Did we not "hear from Him" in John 14:26 and 16:13?

Then why call yourselves "Christian?" What MOST have done is "interpreted" His Word and "perceived" their righteousness! Did Proverbs 3:5 tell us to "Lean not to OUR OWN understanding?" It's not about our "intelligence," but what IS WRITTEN in His Word which asked us not to do ANYTHING but "WAIT" for Holy Spirit's leadership and guidance!

If ALL would have "WAITED" as commanded, a question such as this would not be imposed! We would KNOW that Ronnie is RIGHT for the Holy Spirit does not LIE (Numbers 23:19)!

What happened to "Love thy neighbor as thyself?" Is it not in His Word? Get Real - "Christians!"
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Your understanding is superior. We cannot fashion Jesus in our own image. We do not have the option to love one child and not another. Nor can we accept love and not return it. We cannot forsake the image of God as a matter of convenience.;
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  True words Ronnie , why did you forget that minutes ago?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: U are "twisted!" Have U been given a "reprobate mind?" I pray not! What part of "The Law of Gravity" KILLS as do UNBELIEF, when JESUS SAID "Love thy neighbor as thyself" do U not understand? The Law of Gravity won't save nor UNBELIEF n WOR
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  kndashy41posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I couldn't agree more, Norine! I suppose the real question to pose to alleged "Christians" is "do you know who you are in Christ Jesus?" An alleged "Christian" has fear because they KNOW who they are in Christ Jesus. (John 14:15)
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Dana, That's right, the hypocrites of America have been judged by the word. They have made excuses for genocide, slavery, and now "fear" of Syrian refugees. The only thing a Christian need fear is losing their faith in Jesus.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Dana:It's SAD & Satan's LAUGHING! He has MOST "Christians" exactly where he wants them-"ignorant!" Ronnie is RT in saying " It is commonly the white conservative Christian who can't tolerate differing opinions.They've re-designed Jesus to fit ...
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  JLauren Angelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  There is also "human nature" of which God gave to us. Whether we chose to humble ourselves to be blown up and killed in the name of allah or not is our decision. Quoting the old testament is stupid on your part, it has already come to pass. Wake up!
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  LoliHeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  There is some stuff in the Old Testament that has not come to pass yet. Some stuff that references stuff in Revelation.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Lauren: Rm 8:8 "Flesh can't please GOD!" Rm 12:19! "Vengeance is mine saith the Lord!" We don't "blow up" anyone but if "blown up" didn't He suffer, why shouldn't we, IF "True Christians?"
  Lolita: RIGHT!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Forgot something , now last
  2Ki 19:35 On that very night the angel of Jehovah went out and struck down 185,000 men in the camp of the As·syrʹi·ans. When people rose up early in the morning, they saw all the dead bodies.
  Can Jesus get the Job done ?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: Such ignorance! WE NOW WORK IN HIS STEAD! And is why NOTHING is being DONE!
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Why should you believe in Jesus in the frist place to help one another.
Believing in God or a prophet has nothing to do with morals.
Some believers do good things some do bad things.
Same with atheists , some do good things some don't.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  This topic concerns Christian hypocrisy.To answer : A man can pick up a guitar and learn how to play on his own. But I am a professional guitarist. The man that I teach will learn more. No need to re-invent the wheel when Jesus is perfection.
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  PeterStipposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  As far as I'm concerned Jesus never existed.
  Hypocrisy is everywhere though.and on topic. Racism and xenophobia too. Religion, like nationalism has the tendency to divide. Them and us. Them is dangerous!! only help the "us" clan.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Peter you say some words for thought, but consider the earths condition now without God's interference, it does not look good, nor function to the good of all humankind
  Global.
  The point is the earth right now reflects choices of men and women.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  U are a sovereign with the free will to choose Jesus or the world. Of course 4 U Jesus does not exist as U have chosen the world. Jesus is not of the world. Men are only divided by good and evil.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Wow!
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  PeterStipposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie to divide men between good and evil is simplistic and incredibly dangerous. Tell me who's to judge (and don't say God)...It's mostly a dictator who does...
  Tell me what's the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Pete: READ Romans Chapter 12!
  (V7) "WAIT!"
  (V9) "W/O "hypocrisy!"
  (V19) "Avenge not yourselves, I will repay!"
  (V21) GOD has divided, not us! {paraphrasing}
  No diff! BOTH anti-Christ vs "Love thy neighbor as thyself" (Matt 12:31)!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie , Mt 26:53O do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father to supply me at this moment more than 12 legions of angels?
  No number of humans can match that.
  So are you with Jesus as your lead or are you working against him helping satan.?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: That SAME JESUS said "...He that BELIEVETH on me, the works that I do shall he do also, & GREATER WORKS than these shall he do, because I go to my Father" (Jn 14:12) because He sent the Holy Spirit PROMISED in Jn 16:13 Who came in Acts 2
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie a time has already been set to remove these problems.
  Like a person with cancer do we have a right to do surgery because our love one has cancer? No ! The experience, the doctor , the one who knows what to do to keep the patient living does
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  KT, U suggest that Mother Theresa was a fool and a heretic for dedicating her life to helping the poor. It is my obedience to God that has brought me here. But I have no love for a herd of swine, nor am I required to lie down with an abomination.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  L: This is Hub w/in Itself! Study! See Paul acting in Jesus' stead cont to "fulfill law" others learning (disciples)! Paul didn't make mistakes for he "Walked in the Spirit" as we can today!
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peter565posted 8 years ago
I think the western world are better off, if everybody become an atheist, or return to pre Christian pagan, religion. No religion that follow the Christian god, is truly good, regardless of Judiasm, Christian or Muslim. Religion war reign this region following this god, for the past 1500 years. The only return it seized in the west, is because we are not religious anymore, but still there are some Christian groups stiring up troubles. Radical muslim groups in the Middle East, is even worse.
FYI Take a look at this bible verses.
"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 21:9)

"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." (Leviticus 12:2)

"But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days." (Leviticus 12:5)

"Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works." (Revelation 2:22-23)

Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works
2 John 1:9-11
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  There were no Christians during Leviticus. Only after Jesus.Jesus didn't burn people, or put them to death. Christians have never started one war. Only the pretenders. Yes, the earth will be purged. Do U eat rotten fruit and spoiled meat?
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yet, these problematic phrase, still exist in Christian bible. it isn't, Jesus teaching only. Plus, Jesus is not 100% perfect either, correct me if I'm wrong but Revelation and John come after Jesus, so Jesus is just less bloody
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Peter as a man you are dictating what is good and evil , but humans are not allowed to choose their choice by you unless critized, at lease Jesus gives us a choice without interference.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  peter,A ten gallon bucket can only hold ten gallons of water. What else can a man know without faith? Jesus is alive in Syria.and Nigeria.U R lost in a book.Go to the source..
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  In my opinion, it is like, a very corrupt and oppressive King, then his son becomes King and less corrupt and oppressive than his father, but still corrupt and oppressive, I think Jesus is like the 2nd King, because Jesus said disturbing things too
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Pete: Because U look "carnally" (in flesh R "your understanding" Prov 3:5) and not Spiritually (MASTER PLAN=JESUS) which if ANYTHING/ONE prevented HIS coming = MOVE!
  Only "disturbing things" if NOT IN THE SPIRIT!
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "And they enter into a covenant to seek Lord, God of their fathers, with all their heart and all their soul, but whoever would not seek the Lord, God of Israel, should be put to death, young or old, man or woman.(Chronicles 15:12-13)thus he=false god
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Pete: Which proves my explanation that THE GOD does remove ANYONE/THING preventing HIS PLAN!
  Thank Him for His "Grace & Mercy" or Chronicles would apply!
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  His plan is to go ISIS on everybody's ass. He is a false god. He probably told Osama Bin Ladin to do 9/11. What sort of god, tell people to kill infidels?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Pete: Doesn't matter if He told Bush to do 9/11, it was prophesied in Isaiah 9:10-11 & was destined to be fulfilled!
  He's REAL (Isaiah 43:10-13;45:7)! You can't beat Him! May as well join Him!
  FOR HE IS GOD!
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Only Jesus holds the beacon of liberty. A pillar of cast iron,copper, and steel holds a beacon of darkness,and is a guidepost for evil.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie:They've forgotten GOD & why the US is in such turmoil as it moves farther from GOD!GOD IS TIRED!Look what "hypocrisy" is doing to the nation when we should ALL be on ONE ACCORD according to His Word!
  As n a family,What one does affects AL
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine Williams, there is only one true god and that is the anti christ and he is the good guy. And Jesus doesn't sound so liberal to me, he is just less oppressive
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  P: Well, provide a book that your god has written w/as many "fulfilled prophecies" written before Bible if he's the "true god?"
  John 8:44
  
  Why so much "hate" for me guys (Jn 15:18)? Must have Something going on! The more U do, the more I KNOW!
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  There are plenty of psychic that successfully predict future. The bible just recruit some people, that can prediction future, something modern science can't explain yet. It is not supernature, it is science,
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  P: And "science" will NEVER "explain!" U can't deny (if honest)!
  Produce the book or "science" needs to "catch up!"
  Very "IMMATURE" (Spiritually) to me!
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The arrogant monkey fell out of a tree and started to speak, and so now he believes that he himself is God. Science cannot exist without God. God is the author of all. U should speak to God, instead of a monkey.
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  First you need to prove that god even exist
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  peter, I have nothing to prove.I am not your teacher, or Santa Claus. U have to believe, and then U have to seek the truth. Then it shall be revealed.There are many who will smile and say the right words as U go walking straight into hell.
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The truth is a false god and an ass and evil son of a bitch, pretending to be god. End of discussion.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  P: Rm 1:21-32 applies ("Reprobate mind") & HELL (Lake of Fire) is your home w/o repentance!
  End of discussion!
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Sound more like bible lies, like when they say the earth is flat or the earth is only 5000 years old.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  peter, If there is anything else derogatory and spiteful U would like to say, feel free to express yourself. I do not censor, as U only must answer to God.
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, "Christ suck!!!!!!!!" I am the blasphemy king bitches
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  What an interesting comment. Anger is fueled. What fuels you to speak with such anger? How can you know that what Christ is to me is bad?
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  peter, But now the anti-climax, followed by the old ennui, will deliver U unto a deep depression filled with dangerous thoughts. Let humility intervene, humble yourself before God, and be lifted up!
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  All Christ ever want to do, is want you to kill people ISIS style. He is a sicko
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: Problem: U've been "taught" AGAINST His Word (Jn 10:10)! Heb 4:12 "hurts!" II Tim 3:16 "Correct!" Then U "see" insult! No JUDGMENT - GOD Hates (Ps 37:30)!
  If U seek "Such a one that is tolerant and loving toward all..." U don't seek JESUS!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Peter instead of saying the many mental disorientation of words and curse words is disrespectful , and serves no purpose , especially on this subject, I thought you were beyond this evil speech, you have close down your project of being heard sad
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: Not agreeing w/Peter, but at least he's open & honest in his opinion rather than "hiding behind the name of JESUS!"
  Now that's sad!
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  God gives us opinions and they are marvelous. We listen and we learn, we preach and we are cut off from entry of the divine. How can our hearts work when our mouths are working, or our pen? Live in peace and peace will come to others.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ye Eric, that is the demonic mantra that was repeated for over 400 years as the Image of God suffered in bondage. Your deception could use a little more spit and polish.
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  And they entered into a covenant to seek Lord, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman. (Chronicles 15:12~13)he is false god
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  U focus on Old Testament as if it is a smoking gun. It is not. My focus is on the teaching of Jesus. A Christian follows Jesus.
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Try telling that to all the Christian group that is discriminating gay because it is a sin. Or those lobby against artifical insimination because it is a sin and so on
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Hypocrites concern themselves with issues that are convenient, such as U describe. But the refugee is too much effort . They R more concerned with your harsh language than the harsh reality of war.
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Jew god, Christian god, Muslim god, all the same god. And this is the part of the world that experience religion wars. The world will be a better place, if Christ never existed or if people would leave his corrupt teaching. No Christ=NO ISIS
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  peter, That's completely nonsensical. Jesus is real. Islamic State is a fiction created by the west to further U.S. Imperialist expansion in the Middle East. U have been witnessing staged events. Welcome to the dog and pony show.
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Jew, Christian and Muslim god is the same god, all with its own interpretation of the same text. ISIS is a Muslim extremists group that practice scripture teaching of religion persecution, even killing people interpriting the text different to them
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  peter, when the record starts to skip, pick up the needle and then gently lower it back in the groove.
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That is the only fact there, is. Christ suck, the world would be better without it, people should go back to worship Thor and Zuse
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Pete: Did I not tell U that Christians r Ur problem bcuz of your lifestyle? "..all the Christian group that is discriminating gay because it is a sin." U have chosen, live w/it or come back home where U belong (Rm 1:21-32)! "His Hand's still stretche
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The people are not the problem here, Christian value is the problem. A psycho mass murder, who claim he is always right and perfect.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  P: NO! Ur "unnatural use of the body" as GOD intended is ur problem! There's no justification for it! We're to reproduce & that's it! Although satisfying to the flesh, it's against GOD; therefore, U "strike out" at ANYONE/THING against!
  TRUTH!
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  First, I'm not gay. second, ur god is a false god. he is a little liar, who make up story saying he create everything and the earth is only 5000 years old. read your own bible, (Exodus 34:14-16) even the bible say he is a jealous been.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Very interesting to see such anger thrust upon something not believed. A little sad. If God does not exist what do you care about God? Seems like you are really upset with people, especially happy ones.
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Religion is for a person's spiritual fulfilment only it gives no right to enforce religious law, cause harm or limit freedom, upon another, yet again and again we see groups that follow this god, violating this law and I'm sick of it
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Pete: Until U come to the realization that U ARE NOT GOD, He established laws, it's up to creations (us) to "Humble ourselves" (as U would expect something U created to do; II Chron 7:14), U won't find PEACE! U can't beat Him - So join Him!
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It appears that pete has found a home. But I will tell anyone: If U are dealing with a bad feeling, it's only going to get worse. Let Jesus lift U up. I have stood at the threshold of eternity. Love is real. God is real. Jesus is the light of love.
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  ur false god is not peace, he is the false god of war and confusion. Do you know who else said the same load of crap, you just said about ur false god. the Chinese Communist Party said the same thing about Mao Zedong, nothing more then a sick f***
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The demon is not only subordinate to God, but also to man. The demon has no emotion,and is confounded, and destroyed by it. Humble yourself before God. Let the love of God in your heart, give your burden to Jesus, and set yourself free.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Profanity tells a reader that the writer is frustrated that he cannot find the words to express himself. Usually a fear/anger based angst. It is good you have this space to vent. Pent up it could reveal itself in real destructive behavior.
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Your god is a false god and is the real demon. He is a psycho that tell people to kill non believer. There is no peace with him, only death, poverty and destruction, like u see in dark and middle ages Europe and modern ISIS and Taliban
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  How do you know MY God of love and understanding. You are omnipotent and God? You do not know me or my love for all. Your anger makes you sad to me. I love you but you do not want to be loved.
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Your god claims to be of a god of love, yet his bible tell people to comittee murder in his name. His follower seperate into Jew, Christian and Muslims and kill each other in his name and he do nothing. He is not more
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  P: AFTER Jesus died, OT law changed which U cont to refer making U sound IGNORANT of HIS WORD!
  Under NEW COVENANT, Gal 3:28 says "There is neither Jew nor Greek..; for ye are all ONE in Christ Jesus."
  Stop continuing to show Ur IGNORANCE & STUD
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Doesn't change the fact these lines are still in the bible
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  P: I Thess 4:13 (The word "ignorant" is used) "Brethern, I would not have U "ignorant.." so don't think I'm using It but GOD!
  If U would spend more time "studying" VS "talking" U wouldn't continue to appear "IGNORANT!"
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The only ignorant person here is you, you follow the teaching of an evil god blindly.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  P: Well, since 70.6% of the US (PEW Report) believes in GOD, where does that leave U?
  IGNORANT!
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  76% of American believe in Christ, because from 5th~16th century, the church hold power and kill people for disobdiance. For the past 400 years people have been moving further away from his false teaching, now time to abandon him all together
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  P: Fm ur post: "...If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works." No more "taking part in your wicked works."
  But Grace!
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The world would be better off without Christ, end of discussion
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  peter, U have delivered a great irony. The world "is" without Christ. See how they turn from the Image of God, yet eagerly attack the messenger. I do not love U, and neither does the demon. But I have told the truth. Better 4 U to seek the truth.
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The west is less Christ now, then it been for the past 2000 years and it is a better place, no more dark ages, no people been burn on stake, we have medicine, industrial revolution, human right, not possible under christ, because it contradict bible
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  peter,125 million war deaths since WWI: 2500 killed by drones in 6 years : 40,000 MVC's annual U.S.: Gun Death U.S. 33,169 in 2013 : 17 million women raped in U.S.. It appears that we are still living in the Dark Ages.
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Before u open ur mouth, I suggest u take a look at how bad life is under Christ, PS; I suggest u look up the Spain baby smuggling incident and Catholic church home for unwed mothers, modern west's worse human right violation, is done under christ
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  peter, Catholicism is not Jesus.Constantine perverted Christianity. Evil masquerades as Christian to deceive. The best way to destroy is from within. U have been fooled.
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  peter565posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  All I needed to know is the bible teach killing non believers and every nation that are faithful to this god, whether by been Jew, Christian or Muslim, suffers violent and religion persecution, it use to be Europe, now it is Taliban and ISIS
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gconeyhidenposted 8 years ago
WHY? BECAUSE EVERYTHING ISN'T WHAT IT APPEARS. bring to mind the question..is it the real Mc Coy? Is the $20. bill IN MY HAND real or phony. Is that ant really an ant, or is it a brilliantly disguised jumping spider pretending to be an ant. Deception is a survival strategy in nature, this is true for humans as well. its a way to get by. you can call yourself aNYTHING BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOUR THE REAL DEAL. there are mimic jumping spiders in every religion. Org. religion itself is one of the biggest hustles of all time.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  gc,Agreed. The deception began in earnest with Constantine who injected materialism into the faith. Historical record shows Christianity in U.S. as commonly practiced is a perversion of the gospel.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  GOD IS GATHERING "THE CHURCH!" Hallelujah!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie you seem to run a one tract mind,
  Ro 12:19 Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath; for it is written: “‘Vengeance is mine; I will repay,’ says Jehovah.”
  Are you over ridding Jesus as the lead.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I see U have created a strawman.But I do not answer to those who have turned away from the Image of God, while making themselves fat with sugar and sweet meats.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie Jesus does nor need humans to fight for him , what he ask is that we obey his commands to keep us safe. I gave scriptures but you are making light of it, did Noah need a sword against the violence and bullies, No! We will not again.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  And so U continue to build a strawman. Only U speak of violence. Only U speak of a sword. I have spoken of helping those who cannot help themselves. I am not fighting for Jesus. I am following Jesus. Who do U follow?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine you are agreeing ! but that does not mean you are speaking right, I can not take the things you say serious you have showed alot of bias comments even racist
  I do not take your comments as spiritual .
  You speak for yourself not Jesus.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T:SAD! U didn't "WAIT" for Holy Spirit or U would KNOW!
  On the contrary, I take Ur comments as spiritual (demonic)!
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lawrence01posted 8 years ago
I can see what you're saying, but to label all believers for those actions would be wrong!
1780s in England, it was a group of Christians who stood up and said slavery was wrong, the fight took fifty years and then only got the slave trade banned but they fought on and eventually it was all changed.
1933 Germany. The Christians opposed Hitler from day one. Dietrich Bonhoeffer was in the US at the time of the election, he went back to Germany to be a voice against the regime all the way through. My figures show as many as ten thousand Germans actively worked against Hitler not to mention the fifty or so thousand Christians who went to the gas chambers because they refused to bow the knee.
1940 at the height of the war Hitler did order a boatload of Jews to leave from Romania. The boat was intercepted and turned round by the Royal Navy! When Churchill found out he went ballistic and immediately ordered the Royal Navy destroyer to give chase to the ship and make sure the ship reaches Israel, he also gave the order that NO JEWS WERE TO BE TURNED BACK and made it plain it was court martial for anyone who dares try otherwise.
As for today, from day one Jordanian Christians, Turkish Christians, Iraqi Christians, Kurdish Christians and Christians from the west have been right in the thick of things, they aren't shouting it from the rooftops what they're doing but they're right there helping and (in the case of the Kurds) protecting them with their own lives!
We could do more, that I will grant you, but there are many hundreds truly living out what it means to be disciples! They just aren't making a big thing about it as they want their reward to be in heaven not here on earth!
Hope that makes sense
Lawrence
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Pete: PEW Study=Christians 70.6% n US! Consider source:Ronnie (Jewish-American) observing "Christians" n US.
  FACT: TRUTH re: "Christians" n US=Hypocrites ("...they aren't shouting it from the rooftops...")!
  "Hope this makes sense."
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  L, It makes sense,but I have not labeled all believers. White abolitionists not the majority. Thus 400 years of slavery. Germany or any other nation is irrelevant.Mainstream Christ ignore genocide and profit from stolen continent. Syria ignored.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Lawrence, that is a very interesting perspective. Your knowledge in that arena is impressive. Grouping Christians all into one category seems nearly impossible to do correctly.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If not "majority," why not "screaming from the rooftops?"
  Come on "Christians!"
  Tell TRUTH - Live TRUTH or Hypocrisy!
  Why continue to appease & not allow WORD (GOD) "judge" - TODAY or are we waiting for a "convenient time?"
  Then NEVER!
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Wrench
  I'd agree with what you say but what I was trying to say is that those who truly follow Jesus are always a minority! That's just a fact of life! Probably the only time it wasn't was in the days of Acts of the Apostles!
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  LH, Minority notwithstanding,if the world is still suffering then we are not doing enough.It is shameful to fear for our mortal lives when Jesus suffered the cross 4 our salvation. Only the hypocrite fears death.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  TRUTH: This world has established a "personal Jesus" full of complacency perceiving a "ticket to heaven" with no suffering which is not according to His Word! If one was a "true worshiper" they would have the same mind, on "one accord" w/Word!
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, Yes, the "pursuit of happiness" is a great deception. They sit on beaches and drink cocktails while children are being butchered all around them . It is too much trouble 4 them to even speak against it.No need to spoil their fun.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie: GOD IS TIRED! Tired of His creations "playing church, playing christianity, playing w/HIM" - PERIOD!
  He's coming soon to straighten this out as He did in the days of Noah but this time with FIRE!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  In general we are all God's creations, what part of the earth is available to us is a kindness from our Heavenly Father , but it is an unloving thing not to want shelter and security for any human like ouselfs, besides
  The earth was here already .
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  KT, U R good at building a strawman. And what diversion do U have to explain your focus on me as opposed to Syrian Refugees, 20 million acres of stolen property, and over 200 dead Jews?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie you were blessed to be born, and yes the world is field with injustice all around us , you have a mission of refugee concern I give you my highest regards for your faithfulness of humanity concerns.
  But you are saying Jesus can not do his Job
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  KT, and so now U have created the greatest strawman of all. It is foolish to suggest that I have said, or implied such a thing. The record is right here with nothing deleted. Now prove your fiction to the world.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie I said nothing of mother Teresa, you did, I have only been speaking about Jesus, which you disregard and speak as though you are in a transe.
  The only thing that matters is doing things Jesus way. Anything else is valuless.
  Last post.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  KT, It is good to see U go. Although I do not censor, I have grown tired of your semantics and apologies 4 evil.U deny the word of Jesus yet U claim to follow. This is typical for mainstream Christians who deny the Holy Spirit..
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie
  Firstly I'm not American! I'm a Brit and I follow Jesus.
  Second I have been there, done that and I'm still involved in many ways!
  Thirdly its time for you to stop shouting from the side and get involved!!
  When are you going to do that?
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  L, I am guided by the HS. U R not, as U would see where I am standing, and in what order. I do not boast of my good works, but only Jesus. Your trickery is well known. Dogs are barking; I do not speak their language, so there is nothing 2 explain.
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  'Judge not lest you also be judged, for by the same standard you judge you will also be judged' words of Jesus himself!!! Now some of try to live it like St Francis and like Jesus.
  I've heard the BS about being guided by the Spirit, LIVE WHAT YOU SA
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It was a good day when I developed a personal relationship with Jesus. No more need to quote the Bible or a preacher. Now called how to speak through action. We don't follow Jesus as much as we walk side by side. Newborns are great!
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  L, As the hypocrite can see. I "am" living it. A dead man does not speak this language. U have judged yourself by turning your back on the Image of God, and by mocking the messengers of God who speak through the HS. Now, receive your reward.
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie
  I apologize for my tone here, I am getting frustrated though with the lack of understanding and compassion for those struggling with obedience. Jesus never condemned the struggler but he had harsh words for the judgemental.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  U R very condescending. I have come to Nineveh on account of Jesus. This was not my desire, nor do I love those who dwell in this lower region. Not my will, but the will of God.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  wow transformation of a being into a deity right before our very eyes. I am shocked but not awestruck. We will give time here as a ripening of fruit is always a good idea.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The mission of the demon is to ridicule. You only reveal your ignorance of the word. Jonah was a man, not a deity. I am a man, and a follower of Jesus, which has elevated me above the demon, or the swine in which he resides.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  L: The ONLY "struggle" there is IF 1 didn't "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) as commanded! Holy Spirit (aka Jesus) "leads & guides!" Do U think HE fails (Matt 19:26)? U BELIEVE? RELIGION doesn't teach TRUTH but I (WORD) will! "Judgmental?" Ps 37! Speak judgment
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JLauren Angelposted 8 years ago
Wow. That's all I have to say. I have not turned my back on the image of God, nor have I allowed the devil to persuade me to believe all things in front of me are not real.

The real question here is Syrian Refugees refuse to come into the USA the right way, they refuse to take our classes, go through the naturalization process and refuse to hold valid visas.

To any and all non-valid individuals in this country, you better run or you better get papered. We don't want you here, unless you are valid.
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Lauren
  Are you aware that to 'go through the system' takes about ten years? In that ten years you have no country, no home, no one wants you, all you have is your culture! It's the only thing that keeps you sane! Many do take citizenship when they c
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Even the saints may use foul language,or chase after a woman,.but a demon will argue against the will of God on any account.
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Going through 'the system' often tears families apart as one gets the papers and another doesn't. Then it's a wait of years (five or more) until the 'legal' can sponsor the next!
  Fifteen years apart! How would you feel?
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  JLauren Angelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, and look at the millions of people in America who came in the right way. They are loved, embraced and welcomed. Refugees have their own country. Buck up and take it back or get papers. Simple solution.
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  'Refugees' have no country!! They are 'stateless'! They live in camps where there is no Law!
  They learn not to trust governments. To learn to trust again takes time and patience! What would Jesus be doing?
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus is the definition of love. Love leaves no one behind, especially a child who has been brutalized, terrorized, and who is living in fear.
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Wrench biscuit
  I so agree with your last comment.
  Lawrence
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Where does all of this "hate" come from which produces statements i.e, Lauren's "I have not turned my back on the image of God..." yet is nowhere close to His image?
  Lauren: What is your definition of the image of God?
  Something's amiss!
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  JLauren Angelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Love? Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil...
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I had a missionary friend once tell me "The reason the refugees are coming is because we Christians refuse to go to them with the good news! We refuse to follow God's call, so he brings them to us"
  Think about that one, see if it's true if you!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Lauren: Well, where is that "love" when it comes to others? Why are U talking out of both sides of your mouth?
  All any "True Christian" should do is "Love thy neighbor as thyself" by coming to the defense of anyone in need of help! So says GOD!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Lauren you speak some truth,but we must remember the Jews served the purpose of genealogy for the Messiah to be born through, a success, it also was a tragedy
  That the same Jews killed him of rejection.
  History has shown God's favor of All humans
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: U're sickening w/ur "sugar coated twisted" beliefs! U r "proof" that SATAN knows the WORD also (Jm 2:19)! U cont to "reveal" Urself (Jn 8:44)!
  Ronnie (Jew):U speak truth they killed Jesus but WORD was to be fulfilled or we (Gentiles)=nothing
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine
  You are correct. However read your Bible!!! Acts 10 and 15 happened at least 15-20 years after Acts 2. Those are the incidents I'm talking about!!!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  L:How could they "Walk in the Spirit" when "law" wasn't "fulfilled" as yet! PAUL cont "fulfilling law" AFTER HS came cont to teach the "disciples!" Why I say PAUL was "vessel" in Jesus' stead! Eph 4:11 Where's disciples? Did Paul make mistake?
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ValKarasposted 8 years ago
In my view, the answer is actually very simple. Following any teacher of the mankind is almost impossible because people's consciousness is not evolved enough. Intellectually we can grasp many things of higher teachings, but we can't implement them into our life styles and mind styles, into our ways of coexisting with one another. We are simply not wired in our brains (as yet) for it At our best, we can put up a sad imitation of those teachings.

Asking "why" we are not trying harder - would be more like a rhetorical question, not one with any practical value - again, because it all starts with the level of awareness. Intelligence doesn't help, because many tyrannical leaders were very intelligent - and so are those behind every atrocity on the globe, behind greed, organized crime, mass deception.

There are many wonderful people in this world, but neither they can live like saints. For quite a long time, this is not a world of robes and sandals. Mankind has to go through growing stages which often include "growing pains". We all need more love, less criticism; and then maybe we can open our eyes a little wider and snap out of our soap operas that are weakening our spirits.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  A very interesting take on man as a whole, quite applicable I believe. Our homogenousness makes us fall short. But sometimes we get it right as a soul and as a group of souls. Rhetorical question at best.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Your assertion that there is no practical value to the question is a defeatist attitude. If the African had not questioned why they had to sit in the back of the bus they would still be there. Christians do not sit on the sidelines.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  And there are only twelve players to a team -- what do Christians do then?
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  ValKarasposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie, maybe you should stick to teaching guitar (if you are good as you are advertising it), because these days people choose their schools, it's not that "teachers" give unsolicited lectures. Jesus was a humble teacher - follow him.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No prophet ever yelled at people that he was a prophet. Those who do are suspect at best. And it entices those who quote scripture to prove a point which feeds the ego of the malcontents.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It is your own words that have secured your feet on a path of destruction. UR the teacher and I am only a witness to your folly. Without the greatest humility I could not bear witness to such a spiteful generation.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: Paul was considered an Apostle (Prophet) who heard DIRECTLY from the Holy Spirit (JESUS)! Consider II Cor 11 in which he "boasted." Although admittedly foolish (v23), sometimes it must be done for man's sake (v18)!
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting Norine. I think I never just equated Apostle to automatically translate into prophet. And I know I do not think of Paul as a prophet but I can understand why you do. Like I said -- interesting.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric,It appears U know the def. of neither. In order to receive the message U must first open your heart. In order to deliver the message and not stumble,U must then open your eyes.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ronnie, your comment is relevant to mine -- How? And you presume to teach me? Now that is really interesting. Have you had visions like Paul? That would explain a whole lot.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I saw a hypocrite bound and securely tied in a burlap sack.He was cast beneath a fount of Love. He kicked and screamed as the goodness burned his flesh and consumed the bone. His naked soul jumped up and ran screaming into the wilderness.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: Doesn't an apostle & a prophet both hear directly fm GOD? IT'S WRITTEN! Theological seminary's teachings vs Spirit equals nothing & is why U can't relate to Ronnie (Gal 1:12)! Rm 8:5-8! No "visions like Paul?" Who do U serve?
  Heb 13:8
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Shyron E Shenkoposted 8 years ago
I don't think that Christians are afraid to follow Jesus. I think that Christians (and this is debatable) are too self absorbed and it is too inconvenient to follow any deity.
Merry Christmas Ronnie
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. If they're afraid of anything, it's the possibility that they might have to spend a little money. The terrorist threat is a convenient excuse.
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine
  I said 'Apostles' and that's what I meant!! If they'd understood Jesus right about "go into all the world" why did the HS have to intervene? (Cornelius) What about those who still taught they had to follow the Law?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  L: Disciple=Student v Apostle=Commissioned! The Word 'Apostle' was only used AFTER Acts 2:2. Jesus (aka HS) continued "fulfilling law" AFTER ascension!
  We would not be told to "Walk in the Spirit" if impossible (Gal 5:16) & won't "blow it!"
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine
  Correct. But read your Bible! Acts chapters 10 and 15 is where I'm talking about! Why did the HS have to intervene to confirm the last words of Jesus if they weren't doing things wrong? We all make mistakes but God still loves and forgives.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  God will not forgive the great whore who has spread her legs and infected the world with materialism, greed, and violence. Nor the whore monger who feeds on the blood of innocents.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  L: Never said we don't make mistakes & He doesn't forgive! I said when 1 is "Walking in the Spirit" (JESUS aka HS)=NO MISTAKES! Until "law fulfilled," via Paul, level of Faith produced action level! Apostle Paul had IT! Now avail to ALL (Gal 5:1
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine
  Not sure where you get that! History tells us different, Christians 'walking in the spirit' mistaking what God actually said!
  All we ask for is a little understanding as Christians do make mistakes even about God's call. Give grace and love
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  L: I'm saying if ANOINTED by HS (as Paul: Walking in the Spirit), one does NOT MAKE MISTAKES for JESUS FILLED! U can "look" @ Acts 10-28 & "see" law being fulfilled by PAUL in Jesus' stead cont to teach ALL thru obeying law of land via religion!
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word55posted 8 years ago
Because they are distracted, tempted and misled by the wiles of the devil.
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. It is ironic that so many so-called "educated " people do not believe in the devil, or a dark force in the world, as the devil clearly believes in them.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  They really DON'T KNOW Scripture, yet proclaim "Christianity?" Eph 6:12-20 "For we wrestle not against flesh & blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness..."
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Also Ronnie thousands were suffering before my birth and yours, there are things not under our jurisdiction to touch or bother
  As you said Ananais and his wife. We have no right to walk ahead of the Father and act
  Unauthorized .Jesus and Angels work
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  L: It wasn't as Paul (Atty) didn't KNOW no more "law" but he worked thru the system (religion) to "fulfill law" which now affords us DIRECT ANOINTING w/NO MORE MISTAKES which is SALVATION by FAITH under New Covenant! FAITH is key! BELIEVING "rightly
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  wrenchBiscuitposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Our rank and station have been ordained by God, not dogma or popular consensus. Jesus has commanded that we save these children, at any cost. Let the prophet carry the word and let the fool ignore it. Gods will be done.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If not, "Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord"
  Hebrews 10:26-31 (v31) "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the LIVING GOD!"
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clivewilliamsposted 8 years ago
So shall it be in the beginning, so shall it be in the end
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Say Yes To Lifeposted 7 years ago
As an individual who struggles to make ends meet, I can't do anything to help the Syrian refugees. If i were President of the US, as one of the most powerful people in the world, I could do a lot more to help them, but even then, I could do only so much. The real solution for them is for that war to end and their country restored. The President of the US can't do that - but Jesus, the most powerful being in the universe, can.
The real question is, why doesn't Jesus follow Jesus?
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