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ONE SPIRIT;Father=SAME SPIRIT never subj to world, Son (I Tim 3:16); Holy Spirit Jn 14:26 "SEND IN MY NAME" (n red)! JESUS "tried" to relate to "man" but they see "father&son v Father & Son! Need more room! lol
Trinitarianism is not the same as tri-theism, as you seem to think. While the Father, Son and Spirit are different Persons, they are of the same Substance. Jesus and the Father and the Spirit are One, even if they are not the SAME.
"Tritheism?" NOPE! ONE SPIRIT (I Cor 12)! "Persons?" What's ur def? Can u pinch? "Not the same?" (I Cor 12)
U LIE on WORD!
Jer: Yes, "only begotten son" so "man" could relate! JESUS is GOD manifested in the flesh (I Tim 3:16). Holy Spirit is JESUS (Jn 14:26 "..in my NAME.." n red) who is an ACTIVE FORCE(Acts 1:8)!
RT-Yes, no Trinity but ONE SPIRIT (I Cor 12)~!
note that the father is not the same as the son, Jesus is not God but god then holy spirit is not a person its Gods acting force like when God said let there be light Gods acting force made that happen as the same as His power to do things
Jer: There is ONE SPIRIT! Do not defy Scripture (I Tim 3:16)! GOD manifested HIMSELF in the flesh (JESUS CHRIST)! The "letter" kills (2 Cor 3:6)! This is a GREAT MYSTERY! ONE SPIRIT=SAME SPIRIT subj to word=JESUS=SAME SPIRIT=in hvn=GOD=OMNIPRESENT!
1Ti 3:16 Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He (Christ) was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
Rich: What "version" is that? I have KJV.
How does Jn 1:10 read? Mine="He (Christ) was in the world, & the world was MADE BY HIM, & the world (as today), knew HIM not."
Jn 1:1-3 (v3) "All thgs were made by HIM..." (GOD), then (v10)! Explain
"He appeared in a body" (NIV)
"He who was manifested in the flesh" (ASV)
"He who was revealed in the flesh" (NASB)
"He was manifested in the flesh" (RSV)
"Which was manifested in the flesh" (Douey-Rheims)
Rich: "I asked," How does ur Jn 1:1-3; 10 read? Mine confirms I Tim 3:16 which says "GOD" was "manifested in the flesh."
See how those newer versions are the devil's advocates? He wants to lose souls=his job (Jn 10:10)!
Holy Spirit "leads & guid
one thing at a time.
The oldest and best manuscripts do not have the word "God" (theos) in 1 Timothy 3:16 which is why modern Bible translations do not have the word "God" at 1 Timothy 3:16 either. KJV is wrong by changing the word.
Didn't ask for explanation as to "why" GOD is no longer in I Tim 3:16, asked if your Jn 1:1-3;10 reads as mine!
note that God never manifested himself in the fresh but he sent His son jesus thats why the bible says that God loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten son....if trinity is real would God have sent himself?
You can't use A to confirm B if A is wrong. You can but it would make you wrong in any points you are trying to make. 99% of word say Jesus is not God, the 1% misuse to prove incorrect ideas only leaves one wrong. No GLORIES in that.
when jesus was on earth he said that the only one who need to be worshiped is his father Jehovah . if jesus is God he would have said the only one who needs to be worshiped is me. but why did he say its the father ?
Jer: I feel JW doctrine coming which has only dropped 1 of the persons from the Trinity! If "U" thk there is a father & son v ONE SPIRIT, u err! Trinity or any doctrine that defies WORD (I Cor 12) is a LIE! GOD cont to "try" & related to man,
no dont get me wrong i believe there is only one God the almighty, the orther is not God it is His son Jesus. holy spirit is not a person its Gods acting force ...so yeah i dont believe in trinity
Yet you want to make them all one and the same thing. Trinity wants 3 you want one, you are in good company in that both are incorrect.
i dont want to make them 1 i say there is God there is Jesus who is God's son and holy spirit is Gods acting force ...how am i making them 1?
My comment was addressed to Norine not you, I have no problem with what you have said. I believe you are correct on this/that.
Jer:I guess Rev 1:8 (n red) LIED? I guess(Jn 14:26”IN MY NAME”(n red) LIED? Yes, NO Trinity!WORD says they’re ONE (I Cor 12)! U defy?
Rich:U want 2 they want 3! WORD says ONE (I Cor 12) “u are in good co… incorrect.U “have no prob w/his belief?"ERR
One must be careful when saying we are one. We are one in spirit and agreement, but The Father sits on the throne and Jesus at His right side. No need to make one in agreement weird.
Rich: Then why aren't there "thrones" if 2? Right hand of God="righteousness" not hand w/arm ("carnal")!
I am the fool. Silly me thinking there is hope In a conversation with you. I shall do now what others have learn sooner than I..
Rich: "MOST" do defy I Corinthians Chapter 12!
k&t: And "is clearly a human doctrine that believed of two" (JW=Cult)! Give Scripture where the Father and Son are persons?
Have u not read I Cor Chapter 12 ?
See how "twisted" that JW doctrine is?
ONE SPIRIT=JESUS' GLORIES & HE chgs at
Norine I peacefully ask you not to post to me, You are vexing , bullying, name calling, you have caused so much havoc on HP.
I am minding my business you need to mind your own, if you continue to harras, I will report you . Again do not reply to me
Can't u see the "spin off" from the Trinity in JW'S belief? JW'S only dropped 1 "person" when there is only ONE SPIRIT (I Cor 12) & no persons!
Report? If I DIE, I DIE but the WORD will NEVER DIE!
I posted 1st, u followed!
First of all I made my comment to planks
Not to you, that is obvious, you do not believe people when they tell you to leave them alone. As you continue to vex and reply, do you have a mental problem understanding what stop is.
Does Satan really control u as u display? U display actions of the Scribes & Pharisees in Scripture! U stand anxiously awaiting an error on my part & when can't, attack intelligence?What's up w/u?Why follow if obnoxious? Bldg record? Record r
jesus said concerning the day and the hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens NOR THE SON,BUT ONLY THE FATHER matthew 24:36 if jesus were part of the almighty God,however he would know the same facts as his father.
Did I not say the Son was THAT SAME SPIRIT who was manifested in the flesh & came into world (subj'd 2 sin) which "Father" never was? It's ONE SPIRIT w/"MANY" GLORIES (I Cor 12)! Not 2, 3, 4, 5, but SAME SPIRIT w/"MANY" GLORIES! Jn 4:24!
To note there is a scripture that proves the point,
It is1Jo 2:22Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
If three , where is the holy Spirit ?
k&t: Who denies JESUS is the CHRIST? Who denies that the ONE SPIRIT (I Cor 12) is not THE SAME SPIRT (Father, Son & MANY MORE “GLORIES” & not father & son)which HE states so “man” could relate; otherwise,I Cor Chptr 12 LIED!(Matt 1:10
Jeremiah you are clear to me you recognize the Father as 1 and Son
Joh 5:30 I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.
kiss and tales great!!!
Rich: GOD says "we chg fm glory to glory" & Scripture says we are to b like HIM, then why does HE not chg fm "Glory to Glory" if instructed us to do so (II Cor 3:18)? Worship in Spirit, not carnally for "understanding!" (Matt 10:10-13)! MYSTERY=S
God is the same yesterday today and forever so your idea of glory to glory needs some adjusting don't use a never changing God to justify your ideas. Scripture say we are to be disciples of Jesus and hopefully we will change to be like Him.
Rich: He "never changes HIS WORD" but HE changes HIS GLORIES! Burning Bush, Melchizedek, Abraham, Moses, Daniel, David, The Prophets, O, O, Paul, etc. He told us, WE chg fm G to G, as HE (II Cor 3:18)!
Nice try, He(God) is the same yesterday today and forever
glory to glory is one time in scripture and you beat the death out of it. It is kind of funny if it were not sad.
O, O! My KJV says (Heb 13:8) JESUS CHRIST, the same yesterday, today & forever." Which is OK because ALL GLORIES are JESUS! Phil 2:9-11! At the name of WHO? JESUS! Not Father, Not Son, nor Holy Spirit which r WHAT (GLORIES) HE is but JESUS is WH
Col 2:9 "For in HIM (JESUS) dwelleth ALL THE FULLNESS of the Godhead bodily." Father(JESUS), Son(JESUS), Holy Spirit(JESUS) for HE sent HIMSELF "IN MY NAME" (Jn 14:26) as HE Fathered HIMSELF (Lk 1:35-37)!
ONE SPIRIT (I Cor 12)
To deny God solely as the Father AND the Lord Jesus Christ solely as the Son is antichrist (1 Cor 8:6)(1 John 2:22).
Read Col 2:10, the very next verse indicates the Colossians were made to have the fullness of deity dwell in them too.
Who denies? But not father & son as “carnal” sees! I Cor 12=antichrist?
I Cor 8:6“GOD=“we in him”(Spirit)“Lord JESUS CHRIST”=by HIM (Salvation=what HE’S Done).I Jn 2:22-23 FATHER=1SPIRIT(not subj’d to world);Son=1 SPIRIT(subj’d to world)OMNIPRESE
well, those that refer to, give obedience to and call the trinity doctrine " biblical" are outside the bible. the bible doesn't need any other doctrine or terms to describe it. trinity was man made, not God made, and it was voted into the church
I agree w/u whole-heartedly regarding "The Trinity!"
However: " the bible doesn't need any other doctrine or terms to describe it."
RELIGION has "fooled" MOST re: The Gospel of Christ (THE ONLY DOCTRINE) & MOST don't teach (Gal 1:6-9
T D Jakes. " God disguised his one true God self/ nature in a human form/Jesus/Man of God origin, so that he could come save us and also to experience the same things we do. outside of this dramatic event, he is almighty God" He is God in Christ.
Oscar: I don't know the doctrine T.D. Jake's teaches, but if not IAW Gal 1:6-9="ACCURSED!"
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