I'm a christian and I think that it would be helpful in ministry, if Christians new a bit more about how atheists felt about a Christian's rebuttal
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Very good. Well summarised.
WOW. Very detailed. I'm definitely taking notes. I wish that I could respond to all your points. # 6 However is the odd one out.
It's disappointing that most of those points become traditionally taught/rehearsed as opposed to seeking god for ans..
Thank you for selecting my answer.
The part about women is absolutely false...among other things
Skyrim - where? Lev orders that a rapist must marry his victim - not a punishment for him but for her. The Bible states that a woman shall not speak above a man or be stoned (from memory) - if u assert its false, provide some data to support.
Wow that was really good. That's a deep, holistic and mature point of view. I respect u for that.
The battle between Christians and atheist will probably never end as long as there is a world.
I've viewed many discussions set up here on HP to do exactly as you say - stir the pot. And I've rarely participated as I see them to be a complete waste of time. Thus my comment here is brief...and yours is right on.
Atheists will never stop questioning or discussing religion until religious people stop doing things based on their religious beliefs that affect other people negatively.
Sorry for being late to respond but........ Thank you Hxprof.....Thank you
In my experience most of believers have emotionality issues, and they use their fights/defences as an exteriorization of their inner conflicts. I just find it amusing to pull their leg, as I have done with a few of my own unanswerable questions.
so let me hear one of those questions....
Welp, I gots a question.
How was the earth repopulated after the supposed flood.
simple incest............... (The look on your face right now :) )
Oho, even if you're joking you are still the first person I've asked to actually say that.
If nothing else, that was refreshing.
So, if you are actually saying that - God obviously has a thing for it then? Cause once (Adam and Eve...Eve was a clone, so had a Y not XX, so gay sex too!) is an afterthought, twice is an obsession...but I agree...refreshing.
Remember kids, gay sex is bad, but if you want to pork your sister, Gods cool with it.
Link, incest is just as bad as gay sex. God says so in the bible. Try again.
Okay so i figured u guys would enjoy that response :)
with a few people on the earth the obvious logical allowable thing to occur for the continuation of life is mating with the next female..I can't see how that's hard to understand????
Lolita, having a thing for older man is ok I guess. Great author Nabakov.
Incest is bad? Then how did we go from Adam and Eve, two people, to 7 billion? Incest would be the only answer if you're taking the Bible literally. Genetically our species would already be extinct if the Bible was true.
tinten: I agree with u cause i take the bible literally. i'm not afraid of tackling these things...........
Peter: "crude joke" mon
Dwight Nabakov is a good writer. Anybody who calls herself Lolita Monroe has a sense of humor.
But I do not agree that gay sex is bad. Incest is though.
Well, Well, Well.....here we go :).....So why do u want one to be right and the other to be wrong isn't that sort of unfair for the incest lovers who think the same?
Just from a biological perspective incest always has a deleterious effect where procreation is involved. It increases birth defects in offspring. That's why almost all cultures frown upon it and it grosses most people out to even consider it.
Well said Titen. Besides I think a father daughter sexual relationship is psychologically warped. Or a son and mother for that matter.
Agreed, especially since such relationships are almost always abusive. Perhaps if it was simply consenting adults but even then the human gene pool suffers if they attempt to procreate. Such things are illegal for a reason.
Except Loli, if you take the bible literally, Incest is the only way the human population has grown past a handful of people.
This talk about incest is kinda getting creepy guys.....In anyways I'm sure any logical thinking being would know that there were fewer people in the far past and know there are nations: So there had to be closer relations that were condoned......
I feel any logically inclined person would realize it doesn't make any sense...
Then tell me how it happened
Kinda wondering why my link shot me to a different thread...
I really am tired of this character limit. Either talk to someone else about it here or make a hub/forum.
I'd just like to say thanks to everyone for lending me their time by taking part in the Question.
I really learnt A lot guys...............
Good answer: I'm sorry you've been feeling that way.
The bible specifies that god allows evil to occur for many reasons even though it's hard to swallow.
Also, yes. A lot of Christians use hell as scare factor: I don't believe this is best.
Defending a "god" who commits heinous acts like genocide means that you would say that his acts are acceptable. Clearly, slavery, genocide, cannibalism, plaques, child cancer, and "evil" must be apologized for - esp by Christian apologists.
Y'all seem to forget that God is GOD! He created us, He can do what He wants! If you're not pleased with your creation, if your creation offends and disrespects you, you have the right to end them.
And we have the right to stand up to this so-called "god" and say, "HEY - killing people is WRONG - you said so yourself"!
Bad things occur all the time.
Atheists accept it as a natural lamentable dilemma.
Christians just call this "naturalness" God's permissible will
Unless an atheist takes a scientific/anthropological stance on the Old Testament then it is embarrassingly clear they are not being scientific at all but illogical and very emotive. It reveals a chip on their shoulder the size of a large log.
Great predictable comment, Oz! But since i am a scientist and an atheist, i guess i don't have a chip on my shoulder. :-)
The creator has the right to end the created in whatever way, no matter how horrendous?
I guess. Though that wouldn't stop people from calling the creator a murderer and evil
I see the Christians here have missed the point again. That SURELY more likely than God being evil it is the stories in the Bible themselves which are faulty and fictitious. For no loving God would ever do such things.
Christians may read those stories only during Sunday school when they are children. They don't seen to re-read them with adult comprehension. Yes, they are just stories. Really bad stories. No god would actually behave that way. Wouldn't need to.
Titen-Sxull:"For no loving God would ever do such things"
Hasn't anyone ever heard of a loving parent punishing their child? now picture god punishing a person, a family, a nation, a generation or whatever. Why is this so hard to understand?
Parents who kill or torture their children as punishment are generally regarded as murderers and psychopaths..
If there is a god and he is all knowing and etc.. that means that he is obviously in a different realm of perception. Now if there is a bird and a human, trying to let it understand global warming & finding it a better habitat. It would not get i
Titen: God is loving, but most people forget that He is JUST. He won't tolerate sin, at all.
He tolerates sin whenever HE does it! It's no stretch for your god to murder, condone slavery, condone rape, infanticide and well, every sin in the book. You, however, must do as he says, not as he does.
So we're created in god's image, yet nothing about him is comprehensible to us. Except for the good stuff of course.
The hoops one has to jump through is endless isn't it...
Guys, why can't u see that judging a god by our standard is ridiculous; picture a cat calling u the most cruel disgusting being alive because u took away its yarn. God, Any god, makes standards, not man.
Interpreting them from our knowledg is flawed
Pretty sure killing and abusing cats is wrong, you might want to pick an animal that human beings don't care about, like ants. But then God supposedly loves us more than anything so maybe comparing him to an animal abuser does work.
Ur doing the same thing again my friend, the killing and abuse U r talking about is understood from our realm of perception.
Death is death for every living thing but, it's definition and perception becomes more weighty as we climb the IQ chain.
"There seems to be an inability to admit that the Bible might be wrong when it says that God did such horrendously evil things." And no one wants to accept that they worship a monster. (by the monster's own definition at that!
The evil in the Bible that God does was written by people, surely the more likely thing isn't that God is evil but that the Bible is wrong. The fact that he's God and we're just measly humans would actually make it worse if anything.
Austinstar: Come on we all know that god did wicked and terrible things, (they will always be terrible to us). Even the bible itself calls god terrible in many instances e.g. Psalms66:3. This is not new! So How does it discredit him/bible.
So there is no reason to thank him for anything we perceive as good right? If his actions are beyond our comprehension that is.
There's a double standard needing to be addressed that most simply don't bother with.
Then why do you believe he will put you in heaven just for worshiping his evil self? Your god LIES to you! Your bible LIES to you! You are NOT going to go live in some golden house after you die! What don't you get about that?
Titen: Not bad at least we're getting somewhere. I see what you're saying.
Link: you might not like this but the bible says that we are to thank him for at all times for everything, both the good and the bad. "eliminating double standards"
But there are parts of the Bible that can't be trusted because they show God condoning slavery or committing genocide. Some Christians seem to put the authority of the Bible above that of God, they can't see that the book is written by flawed humans
Mhhhh interesting Tien: Sooo would u say that you'd believe in god or a God but not the bible?
I don't believe in any gods. However I do see the appeal that a loving and good God would have if such a thing existed. I do not see the appeal of something so cruel and clearly manmade as the Abrahamic God of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
Tien: Bad stuff will always happen whether there is or isn’t a god.
Atheists accept it as a natural lamentable dilemma.
Christians just call this "naturalness" God's permissive will. So not believing in god doesn’t change anything.Y not try it
So don't blame him for the bad because we can't comprehend it. Thank him for the good and the bad because we can't comprehend it, therefore none of it can be questioned.
The difference is that nature is indifferent to our suffering but supposedly God is not. If you say God IS indifferent and permissive, that would fit reality better than what most Christians say but doesn't jive with a loving God who does miracles.
(LOL!)..............Well there u go link...I mean I'm human and I would be lying if i told you that this is easy to do, but hey it isn't. It takes something very hard to acquire called "faith". Sorry.....
Yes I imagine giving up logical thought and objective rationality in this one area of life would be rather difficult for some.
Yes my friend it is difficult and but that's EXACTLY WHAT YOU'LL HAVE TO DO. the scripture even says the same thing u brought across "link". In fact the bible says that the foolishness of god is wiser than men: read it all here 1Cor (all of it).
L0ttia... if y0u truly believe that it c0mpletely ethical t0 treat s0mething evily, t0rturing it, killing it, etc, just because y0u created it, please never have children. The exact 0pp0site is true. Y0u have a resp0nsibility t0 the life y0u creat
I could be missing context, but that sounded like a fancy way of saying even when God screws up, he's still better than us so don't question it...
Well, I think that they d0n't believe that g0d 'screws up', but that he's messing with us f0r reas0ns that we d0n't understand, in the same way that a lab rat d0esn't /understand/ why they're being infected with a disease s0 we can test a drug 0n it.
God does not mess up. We do. Humans having children is not the same as God creating people. God gives us children (loans them to us) for a time, but we all belong to God. God does not need to be held to the standards He created for us, He is good
If I went and slaughtered a bunch of children for giggles, I'd be evil.
But if god say drowns a planet, its fine because he's God.
Honest question, but does faith make abandoning logic, and morality in some cases, a requirement?
Of course it's a requirement, Link. Logically, following christ means they have to give up all their money and do nothing but feed the hungry and heal the sick. But that doesn't happen. They must preach! Not do...
L0li is the kind 0f pers0n wh0 t0rtures sims f0r fun... And that's a g00d example 0f why secularists d0n't want anything t0 d0 with these pe0ple. When y0u live in the real w0rld y0u aren't /lent/ children, y0u l0ve y0ur kids and try t0 make the bes
A quick question for u guys...does anyone here understand god?
If the answer is NO, then how can u judge/standardize/analyze/criticize and etc something u don' understand?
Do YOU understand God Dwight? I understand quite a few concepts of God. But a believer doesn't have to just understand a concept, they have to understand something they believe is real and is an all powerful perhaps even incomprehensible being.
You said earlier Dwight that God is supposedly in a completely different realm of perception.
Why you would bother asking that under the pretext that you do understand some context of God is questionable.
Whoa, Whoa, Whoa Back up my friends. hold on a bit. I never said that i understood god. Even the bible agrees with me...saying his ways are past finding out........... Romans 11:33:
Well there you have it. Your religion says you cannot understand God. I am not a member of your religion nor do I think your God is a real living being that exists but I understand the concept of God put forward by the Bible and by Christians.
Then what exactly was the point behind asking the question then?
Okay..if the universe in all its complex dynamism were to have a being greatr than us would we understand it? Soil--plants--animals-people-other. none of these understand each other fuly except the preceding one neither can they juj by their standard
If this being wished for us to understand the universe, he,she,it might take the time to bother to explain it. And might be able to explain it to mere mortals as well. But there is no god, so there is no explanation either. U still have no control.
LOl ur funny Austinstar....
Explain/teach a cat french/ playing the guitar...He can't because his physiological/biological/psychological and Meta-physical self and environment denies the cat. Now ask God to reveal to u what he knows. :)
DP, that is EXACTLY why the ASPCA and anti-animal cruelty laws EXIST. S0 that we can't t0rture animals in the same way y0ur g0d t0rtures humans. And y0u say that we d0n't kn0w his divine plan, but we did f0r J0b. The divine plan was t0 win a bet.
Okay so you think God is to humans like we are to cats... but my cat still knows I exist. My cat can't do science, human beings can. So if a God existed we should be able to find some evidence for that.
1. ur interpreting existence in a way u only know (humans)....So a cat may not perceive our existence as we perceive each others.
2. there is evidence that god exist.The trick though is that u have to first accept Christ before u can experience it
As a former Bible believing "Spirit Filled" tongue-speaking Christian I always find the "you have to accept it first" line to be funny. Easily among the most annoying Christian arguments. Science deals with objective reality and practical application
If I were a god and I wanted to explain things to a cat, I'm pretty sure I could do so. Especially if I was the one that created the cat in the first place. Why won't your god explain things to you?
Tinten: I figured that it would be pretty annoying saying that..Also I'm sorry to hear that ur no longer with god..
I realize that every god conversation will always culminate with faith there's no going around it.
Austinstar; wish i had more words
Write a hub. Use all the words you want to.
I already wrote one 10 months ago...When u asked me to I don't. know if u remember the question "Out of all the religions in the world, why is Christianity the right one?"
D problem however is, all now I haven't uploaded it for some reason
This is kinda g0ing 0ff-t0pic but a bunch 0f my hubs unpublished t00, and the vide0s in vide0 hubs aren't a thing anym0re. Why is that a thing? Did y0urs just disappear t00?
Hubs may be unfeatured for several reasons. Lack of traffic, spammy elements, etc. Read the help files.
I think u guys misunderstood me. I said that I personally haven't Uploaded the hub for some reason.I don't know why. But i'll try and upload it next week. Its kind long so i Was thinking of splitting it into two hubs..Idk. It's called "God is real!"
First I want to ask why you think it's plausible from the start, given what we know about childbirth and genetics.
SO u don't think that it's scientifically possible for a man and a woman who are related to have children?
The defects would even confirm the theory of our ancestors being more genetically prowess physiologically than us. sooo it's possible
Clearly they can have children. I even read somewhere you can go maybe a generation or 2 without any major risks of genetic problems. Several thousand years and 7 billion people is more than a generation though...
but: remember that they'd be less related as the numbers increase so..
siblings-cousins-2 cousins- 3 cousins and so on and so forth.. in fact the defects thins out at 2nd cousins..
Pretty yucky though.............
It seems that would be more plausible if there weren't 7 billion people on the planet. The women would have had to birth hundreds of children.
Link: I don't get u.....how does that dispel what i was saying?
...because women still die during childbirth even with modern medicine, and that's giving birth to ONE child.
You don't see any problem with one woman giving birth to 100's of babies at minimum several thousand years ago without any modern medicine?
I think u misunderstood me.....I didn't say any of that.....
How does natural birth and a hundred babies factor in?
Ouch.......quite direct and unmoved. Well yeah the bible is a big part of Christianity (obviously right). You're right in many analytical approaches and then some what partial when one considers the experiences of a christian backed by the book.
Exactly! The real purpose of the bible is to enslave one emotionally, mentally, psychologically, and even psychically. It is a very prejudiced, fear-based book. One would stagnate if h/she lived by it!!!!
Right, but the Bible was written by men INSPIRED by the word of God. All of the other books are just written by men. And the Bible accurately records history.
Another Christian "apology"! If you didn't feel the need to apologize for god, atheists might take you seriously. Or not, because there is no god except in your mind. & the bible certainly does NOT record hx! Where is birth certificate for Jesus?
It's a cyclical thing gmwilliams:
u can say that the bible Controls us, whilst in another sense one can say that it enlightens us. How will u know the difference: it's just entirely subjective and based upon what one wants to prove.
DP, 0bjective facts aren't subjective. The bible is flat 0ut wr0ng ab0ut stuff. Y0u can't c0ntr0l the genetic variati0n 0f sheep by having them l00k 0r n0t l00k at sticks while fucking. Bats aren't birds. Eating tabernacle dust w0n't cause an ab0
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm.........................I don't think i get u blarga........
Ummmmmmmmm................I don't think i get u..............blarga
By the way i like your reviews on video games (sorta out of the blue)
What d0n't y0u get? It's really difficult f0r me t0 explain things with the character limit. I'm a bit l0ngwinded, l0l.
Thanks, btw! I'm trying t0 get the y0ung'un int0 retr0 gaming s0 we've been playing a l0t 0f stuff t0gether. And I think it's g00d f0r him t0 experience techn0l0gy in c0ntext. These kids with their DLC and their 4G are s0 sp0iled.
I think u guys misunderstood me......I said that I personally haven't Uploaded the hub for some reason...I don't know why....But i'll try and upload it next week. Its kind long so i Was thinking of splitting it into two hubs....Idk..
DP, you have answered your own query: " it's just entirely subjective and based upon what one wants to prove." That says it all about your "beliefs" regarding the bible.
Wouldn't u say the same for yourself ALAN....
I however don;t have to worry about proving anything because, I already have my personal proof and evidence of god's existence
Personal proof is great. To each their own.
If you ever wish to go past the personal part, you'll need that evidence. Or alot of gullible people.
Shame the latter is plentiful.
ur right the latter is plentiful....
But how do u know that they're the gullible ones.....
Isn't that subjective...and what u'd want to say?
and by the way those group of gullible people have the same personal evidence..............
No two people can have the same "personal" experience, Dwight. It's only personal if just one person has the experience. Otherwise, it's probably a mass experience, not a personal one.
Gullible people don't question things in favor of staying in their comfort zone. Not that being gullible is necessarily a bad thing.
And no, they all do not have the same personal proof. There wouldn't be hundreds of sects of the religion otherwise.
I think i need to say this..
No one in this day and age has an uninfluenced ideology.
When u experience something, that experience has to involve someone or something....hence no concept is self-generated but foundated by external influences.
You may be right about that, Dwight - but how one PROCESSES the influencing information is personal and unique. Which is another reason that one should not quote books or others verbatim. Use the force of your mind to process experiences.
Mhhhhh.......I like that Austinstar:
But I think I'm about to unravel something here...
Don't u believe that that process/force of mind is also influenced (how one thinks????)
All concepts are founded on external realities? Including all fictional characters? God is obviously based on human beings as we are "made in his image" when in actuality it was the other way around. God has our image and our flaws, we designed him.
Titen: I agreed with u up until the second half of ur comment
Austinstar: I'd Really want to apologize to u, I just did not see that coming.
I ACCEPT UR BELIEF AS AN ATHEIST
we agree to disagree (as usual)
A personal experience does not proof something is true. Even a mass experience doesn't proof it. After the experience comes the interpretation. We all see a sun eclipse. Some say God is eating the sun, Others find the truth by math.
The problem U'd have though PeterStip is that christains personal experiences have been ongoing for centuries and more...regardless of an abundance of scientific explanations
God allows evil to trump his perfect goodness "because free will" or at least that's the excuse I always hear. God is apparently not free, because he has imposed this rule on himself that he has to let all these people suffer "because free will."
Interesting: could offer a site or pdf somewhere that i could read about this research plz.
...turning on just about any news channel shows plenty.
Here you are:
Ummmm...getitrite None of ur sites had any concluding proof.
in fact i'll quote from one site: "Researchers emphasized that their work can't address whether God exists or answers prayers made on another's behalf"
I cant grasp the fact either that we have "free will" if your all knowing all powerful god has a plan. Isn't that kind of contradictory to the meaning of free will?
Dwight, I already knew that you were going to latch on to that one morsel to give hope to your rigid illogical faith. That being said...tell me...why does God not heal amputees? Since u believe prayer works, this should be an easy question for you
Yes That's an easy one...I don't know.
However I believe that if i prayed and god saw it fit in his supreme reasoning then he'd do it.
The simplest answer is that God is imaginary, however, u seem to not be able to accept common sense, therefore u proceed to spout answers based upon FEELINGS/CONJECTURE. Really? Do u not see how this type of outright desperate evasion is annoying?
Getitrite: I hope that One day u'll be touched by god and can see all the answers for yourself because honestly ones salvation is personal and not shared or taught.
Your god has never seen fit to regrow amputated limbs. Why do you think prayer would work? Just because you "believe"? LOL, that's a good one.
DP, that line 0f th0ught is danger0us in my culture because parents are all0wed t0 withh0ld life-saving medical treatments fr0m their children because they want t0 heal them thr0ugh prayer instead. That's n0t illegal here. F0r s0me reas0n.
Ummm okay......You can pray for healing but healing can come from the lab itself.......It's a pity how some Christian step outside of wisdom, ignoring the passing boat and asking god for help.....This is all about inexperience and lack of wisdom
Dwight, Psychological programming is the only God that u have. U cant see this, because u are the victim of this programming. Debating with believers always begins and ends with a barrage of twisted logic, special pleading, and outright dishonesty
Haven't we all be psychologically programmed????????
Isn't that called CULTURE...................
So i could say the same about u.............
Some of us are able to use independent judgement instead of cultural and societal programming. You should try it sometime.
Are there a group of people in america and around the world that have the same beleif as U?
If yes the ur belief is not independent.......u were indirectly or directly influenced...no difference there
....so no one ever in the history of forever has ever thought about something that led to the same conclusion as someone else without ever hearing about that other person's conclusion first.
Mighty small world you live in Dwight if that's the case.
It's pretty clear to me that i am the only one in the world that holds exactly the same beliefs as me. My beliefs are my own. Others may agree or disagree on some points. It makes me unique and i am my own person. I don't use group think.
Are u sure Austinstar????????????
Why do u believe what u believe? Are u saying that u self invented ur beliefs without direct or indirect influence from any outside factor?
If u say NO then u've never been apart of SOCIALIZATION
Not what I said at all. I developed my own PERSONAL beliefs after years of study and using my brain. I didn't copy them from the bible. I am done trying to explain things to you now. I am unfollowing you and blocking you as much as possible. Bye!
If your conclusions were true, then I would be an Evangelical Christian, because that is the culture I was indoctrinated into. Southern Pentecostal. So now, can u be honest, and accept the fact that u lack the courage to think for yourself?
Geitrite u were influence by some medium to not want to be a Pentecostal: same thing.
And how did u arrive at ur conclusion????
Dwight, Thats simply not true. There was no media that influenced me to stop believing in nonsense. I became suspicious of religion at around the age of 9...before I even knew that there were others who felt this way. So what media are u referring?
Getirite: I said medium not media...in other words anything from your surroundings that could make you think otherwise...even the ones who are trying to convert u can cause you to not want to convert
MEDIA is simply the plural of MEDIUM.Thought u knew that!
My decision was based on the fact that religious dogma makes no sense. Reality makes sense..your beliefs dont. Why is this so hard for u to grasp? Sadly some are too weak to break the spell
Well media is also a well known noun and it fits perfectly into your sentence, so it's not impossibly to make a mistake there....however I stand corrected...SO, u are saying u self materialized the concept of an atheist?
It's pretty simple to do Dwight. You can argue that get's current stage of atheism was influenced by some medium or another, but it isn't that hard to "self materialize".
Dwight, I was 9, and had no idea that there was even a term "atheist" or that there was anyone else that felt the way I did, therefore I tried to will myself to continue believing in this nonsense...trying desperately to betray my own intellect.
U know guys....This concept of having a deep "self materialized/unscathed" ideology is even stronger with Christians. In fact it's even mentioned in the ontological arguments..Where ones natural idea of god is the very proof of his existence.
No two believers believe in the same God, there are always differences in what that God is, how it thinks, the interpretation of the Bible. No believer has ever mapped their version of God to anything external in actual reality.
The only thing natural from people about the concept of God is to think if there might be a higher power to things. That's it. Once you delve into specific god's and such, that's cultural influence, far from evidence of existence.
"No two believers" isn't that generalization......and besides that's not the point I was making...I didn't even say that they believed in the same god...I just said god.
Thats absurd! When your ideas of a God dont match with reality, isn't that cause to abandon those ideas? My disbelief in God actually match reality. There is no evidence for claims of God, therefore there is no reason to believe. How desperate!
My latest question should quell your doubts.
Because you can't prove something with your knowledge it doesn't make it non-existing.
and why was it absurd?
It's the opposite of generalization, it is an acknowledgement that for every believer God is different. It is up to believers to show that their conception of God actually matches something that exists externally outside of their minds.
If I cant prove your claims are absurd with my knowledge, I suppose u can prove it is true with YOUR knowledge..and since Im at least of average intelligence u should be able to show me HOW u KNOW. Explain this superior knowledge u possess. No BS plz
Tinten: if u haven't asked every christian it's generalization.
getitrite: How many times do I have to inform u guys that man's knowledge can't disprove or prove him. It's through divine authority backed with a pinch of biblical study comes poof.
The rational position would be to remain neutral until we can examine the claims. Pretending to use some kind of special magic to comprehend things unknown is downright fraudulent, and psychologically disturbing. Sadly, INDOCTRINATION at work
Theoretically god may not exist, No prob debating it
The problem however my friend is...THERE ARE TOO MANY WHAT IFs. If we were to TRY and consider most we'd be mad. What if we all had wings hidden in our backs and no one knew about it.
Yes, What-if questions can get out of hand. But god and religion are, themselves, what-if questions. Therefore I feel that any discussion about them is a call to entertain those and other un-testable ideas.
But M.T dreamer wouldn't you say that because a large number of persons believe in god and have similar experiences with him, god would then be a fully objectified ideology as opposed to random subjective "what-ifs"?
That w0uld be true 0nly if experiences with g0d were unified, DP. The fact that they aren't, that they are all /subjective/, means that these experiences are n0t and cann0t be '0bjective'. The w0rds are an0nyms. Different religi0ns exist.
Multiple people believing in something doesn't make it true.
And with the hundreds if not thousands of different sects of Christianity alone, I would hardly call their experiences unified.
People can have similar experiences, but the attribution to god is the what-if. Ten people narrowly dodge a bullet and thank a variety of gods/no gods. The bullet isn't open to interpretation. Which deity they thanked is just wild speculation.
I'm just saying that the iconic acknowledgement of god and his son are objectified among over a billion people, however there are some subjectivity as to how they operate (sadly). But even this confusion/diversity is prophesied in the scripture 2tim4
DP y0u d0 realize that Christianity literally 0nly has that many f0ll0wers because 0f a bl00dy past 0f war and gen0cide. My pe0ple were literally given the 0pti0n 'c0nvert 0r die', s0 were milli0ns 0f pe0ple. That d0esn't make it right.
Great civilizations have come and gone that acknowledged completely different icons and religions. Popularity is not a measure of existence. If it was, Harry Potter would be real.
Over a billion people do not objectify god and his son. The "subjectify" Jesus into the image/person they want to "believe in." He might be young and handsome, old with beard, etc...tailored to suit the imagination.
there's something u guys are missing.It's the first time in the history of mankind any religion has ever been so dominant. there has never been a popularity contest before because globalization only recently began. Christianity is unique
Again, because 0f c0l0n0zati0n. It's amazing h0w fast y0u c0nvert with a gun t0 y0ur head. N0B0DY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITI0N. ...g00d g0d I'm 0ld.
Christianity has always and will always be represented poorly by some according to the bible: What I'm however trying to bring across is the ministering nature of Christianity....seeking to reach everyone..that is UNPRECEDENTED...
Then go to the part of the world that DOESN'T HAVE Christianity and minister there! The rest of us have already heard what you have to say.
Which part is that?
EXACTLY my point! There is no part of the world today that hasn't heard of Christianity, so you can stop preaching now.
Weli.....u know that actually feels like a complement to all the hard work that true man and women of god have been doing over the years......I'm sorry however austinstar that u've been annoyed to the point where u want us to stop completely.
F0r my part y0u c0uld have st0pped bef0re y0u g0t t0 the Americas. Because, y0u kn0w, the justificati0n f0r the gen0cide. Then there's that part that says slaves sh0uld 0bey their masters. We c0ulda d0ne with0ut that t00.
Again..............ur blaming the bad batch of christians to judge the entire scope of christianity. What ur doing is throwing the bath water out with the baby......
A religion's dominance also isn't proof of its validity. It's just proof that it's good at dominating. Technology has just made it easier to spread. If the Greeks had the internet, the same billions would believe in Zeus.
Isn't Islam on the rise, more so than Christianity at the moment?
Dunno where I heard that, but if its true then that would mean Islam is unique right...
It's just impossible to tell a good Christian from a bad one. It's even harder to know a good Muslim from a bad one. I just don't trust anyone that believes in voices from the sky.
M.T: Greeks mytheology don't minister like Christianity does..
Link: I don't know about that
Austinstar: ur right .it is profoundly hard.
I'd even tell u not to fully trust me. Cause no matter ho good we are we still can't trust ourselves.
e. Please st0p trying t0 frame this as an 'atheists hate Christians/Atheists are mean t0 me" issue. Atheists are weary 0f Christians because Christians have been pr0ving themselves t0 be untrustw0rthy, while simultani0usly taking 0ver and destr0yin
Well....there's a lot of interesting things here most soci-political.....but U sorta lost me near the end regarding the question asked.
Also, Some would also like to think that atheists ask questions too I have been a recipient of this many times.
I live in the south and i feel your pain. Nothing here is more annoying than a "christian". If they actually gave away their wealth, and went out in the world to help people, i might change my mind, but all they want to do is judge others.
Yeah I ran 0ut 0f space. But I guess the bullet p0int is, secularists just want religi0us pe0ple t0 keep that shit t0 themselves. Have all the religi0n y0u want but st0p trying t0 f0rce it in my g0vernment and 0n my kids.
Exactly! Keep religion in churches and private areas only. The rest of us live in reality.
I mean I d0n't even think it has t0 be private. Wear y0ur cr0sses and burkas and yamakules t0 sch00l! Experience y0ur faith in public! But d0n't /f0rce/ 0ther pe0ple int0 it. N0b0dy wants rand0m s0ul-rape. It's n0t c00l. It's a free c0untry and
At least Christians should RECOGNIZE other religions! How many news stories report how xtians attack people in burkas, yarmulkes, and atheist symbols?
Supposedly some woman beat up a (elderly?) disabled guy within an inch of his life because he said he was an atheist when she asked him, then robbed him.
He had to crawl to a hospital.
I saw that news report. There are almost daily reports of Christians killing, neglecting, or unjustly punishing their children, and punks beating up gays or people of other religions. Then there is the KKK too. I would not be a xtian for anything.
I d0 happen t0 live in an area that is particularly danger0us, as far as hate crimes g0, s0 it may c0l0r my percepti0n 0f that a bit, but I'm n0t really talking ab0ut individual pe0ple s0muchas Christian instituti0ns. Vi0lent f0lk exist everywhere.
But us see guys that's where the problem lies....One of the core ideals of Christianity is t share it with others..Mark 16:15
Share Christianity? - like in the Inquisition? Like in the Crusades? Like forcing it on your children? Like Joel Olsteen? Like sharing the common cold? What we are trying to say is that we don't WANT it! We don't WANT to be preached to! Stop it!
Okaaaaay Austinstar.......Ur kinda freighting....but anyway I think ur having fun.
Austinstar It's just that everyday someone new is still joining Christianity, so even though u want us to stop people are still listening and conforming.......
Why do I frighten you, Dwight? I am only saying words.
Dwight. F0r real. Y0u're supp0sed t0 share with pe0le wh0 WANT it. G0d wants y0u t0 spread l0ve. L0ve with0ut c0nsent is rape. G0d d0esn't want y0u t0 psh0l0gically rape f0lk. N0w make like Matt 6:6 and keep that shit t0 y0urself.
Exclamation marks scare me Austinstar :) I may be from Jamaica but I've never witnessed a crime.....Okay that's not entirely true, I just sort of just turn my head away....... (okay I don't where I'm going withe this)?
Exclamation marks scare me Austinstar :) (actually u can electronically shout all u want.....:) )
blargablarga: So tell me how I can identify some of the people who want to listen....Help me out
If they d0n't literally ask y0u, leave them al0ne. Y0u're in Jamaica, which is a really Christian area. M0st pe0ple have already preyed and sang and bake-s0ld their way just as cl0se t0 the g00d l0rd as y0u have. Mind y0ur business.
Mhhhh u have a point there....Even the gun men go to church or carry bibles, (So i've heard)...U knw America is kinda scary, I can only imagine how difficult it is for Christians to minister over there?!
Actually the vast maj0rity 0f 0ur vi0lence is fr0m Christians. The vast maj0rity 0f 0ur terr0rists are white, Christian, and male. Y0u're 7x m0re likely t0 be murdered by that pr0file than any 0ther pers0n. It's far m0re danger0us n0t t0 be Christan.
In america most criminals are christians. I think it was phrased best in Breaking bad after Tuco killed a man and left him for dead and his henchman said not burrying him wouldn't be very christian. Most gangs are christians. And most criminals are 2
Christians have been killing other christians and those of other religions for millenia. I wonder why they have that pesky commandment for?
U know guys."people of god " have a saying among themselves. "not everybdy who calls themselv a christian is Christ-like." It's just sad how everybdy else believs that the next rapist is a christian because he said so. "by the fruits he shall knw thm
Yeah the l0gically fallacy that y0u're using there is called the "N0 True Sc0tsman". If y0u want t0 g00gle why y0u're wr0ng.
I'm not sure i get u.............
Not an answer I was looking for but it's something to think about. After all you have a point. It can't be overlooked that an atheist's heated drive to rebut arguments about god may be to reaffirm/smother their wavering beliefs.
There is a difference between actively going out of one's way to shut down any talk or belief about god and being told that, and simply saying "I don't believe because it doesn't make sense/no proof" yet still being told they secretly believe.
I can see what you mean;
A lot of them however would strongly beg to differ
But Link, wouldn't you say you're rather a little arrogant by thinking you're smarter than the Christians, simply because you have "common sense" and "logical reasoning?" Are you not a little closed minded so as not to consider the possibility?
Where have I said that I thought I was smarter than them Loli?
I also don't remember saying that God is an impossibility. I think the Christian version is a bunch of bull, but some kind of God existing certainly isnt impossible, rather than unlikely
Austinstar: Okay I see that U r getting angry, that's not what we should want here. Remember that u can't just shout personal statements at me without proof "I won't get it" .
Link, you need to get to know the Christian God and not judge Him based on what others say here. Read New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
In the past many people read The New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Then they proceeded to create 38,000 different denominations of Christianity. But Im sure Link will interpret the correct meaning. Why? Because u said so.
I'm having enough trouble getting past the illogic of Genesis' beginning, and that's before the murder and overall genocide.
Granted the bible can be difficult to wrap ur head around initially...I'd advise that u study independently, seek god's guidance and then see where ur lead.
By the way Lolita I don't think i thanked u for trying to help out with Qs. Thanks sis..
It's actually n0t difficult t0 understand at all given the hist0rical c0ntext. It's a pretty g00d read, Link. Especially if y0u live int he US where it's a big part 0f the culture 0r if y0u like art hist0ry. It gives y0u a l0t 0f c0ntext f0r AH.
thanks blargablarga.......hey do u play some of the most modern console games...maybe u could do some reviews on those too...?
Idk, maybe when KH3 c0mes 0ut. Y0u kn0w, Dante's Infern0 might be a g00d game f0r this t0pic. My y0ung'un is usually b0red by Christian symb0lism but he l0ved that game and it inspired him t0 actually /read/ the entire Divine C0medy.
Oh its not that I can't wrap my head around it, its that it literally makes no logical sense in certain areas.
On a side note, just switched my ringtone to the rock version of KH last night...
I really d0n't wanna thr0w d0wn the cast f0r that PS4... there's n0thing else I'm g0ing t0 play 0n it. S0ny' treading water. I d0n't understand why it's a s0ny exclusive. They d0n't have an exclusive c0ntract. There's like 3KHs 0n the 3DS al0ne.
Huh good too know KH lovers : ).... "young'un" not sure what that is blarga? ( from an island :) )
Link: so which parts makes doesn't make sense. let me see if i can help u out
I'm Appalachian. In my regi0nal dialect we tend t0 run w0rds t0gether and use a l0t 0f c0ntracti0ns like yhall, aint, y0ungun meaning "y0u all" "are n0t" and "y0ung 0ne" (child) respectively. It's generally c0nsidered a l0wer class dialect.
Okay.....but no class should be consider low though...we are all one people from the same God or "unknown Complexity" which ever u like :)
A "G0d" is n0t anal0g0us t0 an "unkn0wn". That is just factually inc0rrect. Please st0p saying that. This is 0ne 0f th0se times where y0u can put as many em0tic0ns as y0u want and it will still just be wr0ng.
So are u saying that it is impossible for god to be real? remember that atheist don't believe because of lack of evidence....something we don't have or know soooo are u saying that it is impossible for god to be real?
I'm saying that "I d0n't kn0w s0 G0d did it" is n0t a thing, any m0re than "I d0n't kn0w s0 aliens did it" 0r "I d0n't kn0w s0 gh0sts did it" 0r "I d0n't kn0w s0 my ancest0rs did it". It's 0k t0 just say "I d0n't kn0w". Y0u aren't required t0 make
So what about I don't know But god possibly did it...
OR I don't know but possibly God allowed it.
here's some philosophy for u:
BECAUSE WE CAN'T PROVE EVERYTHING:
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE........
IN OTHER WORDS IT'S LOGICAL TO BELIEVE IN GOD
Yes, it is. But it is n0t /ethical/ t0 supp0rt a g0d like the 0ne in the bible. Theref0re it is unethical t0 push that g0d and that culture, which is fucking h0rrible, 0nt0 pe0ple wh0 d0n't want it. Y0u can believe whatever y0u want, but leave f0l
Not ethical???????? how so?
Another annoying thing that xtians do all the time is ASSUME that Christianity is THE 1 true religion and if you don't convert, you and your children will be going straight to hell. There is no war on Christianity, but tell that to a xtian!
I particularly 'like' the 'some laws were carried over' from Lev, cause Jesus. Yet these same laws are on subjects NEVER spoken of by Jesus....try pointing that out to those people using the 'carried over'
(LOL).Wow. Some of these were very specific. Im really glad that i asked this question. I HAD NO IDEA THAT SO MANY PEOPLE WERE ANNOYED BY CHRISTIANS. I'm sorry u've been feeling this way. But....What would u do if u knew your friend was going to die?
What any human would do - comfort the dying, help them with pain and suffering, help them with their end of life issues. Praying isn't going to help. Asking a deity to save them isn't going to help. Just be their friend so they don't feel so alone.
very good Austinstar...So what should a flock of Christians do if they believe that people are going to die a spiritual death (after life)? I'm just showing u y we share the gospel so often and sometimes even "annoy" others. We have to save U (LOL).
IDK, Dwight. What DO Christians do to comfort the dying? Mumble some "comforting" prayers? Spiritual death? What is that? Something you would have absolutely NO CONTROL over anyway! (if it existed at all).
Okay when i said spiritual death I meant...Eternal damnation...U know, "hell" .Im pretty sure ur tired to hear about it. That's what we want to save everyone from. We don' want to annoy u, instead we want to save u... :(
We don't believe in hell. We don't need to be saved. And you do not have the power to grant anyone a ticket to heaven anyway, even if it did exist, which it doesn't. You are trying to sell wishful thinking.
What's with the assumption that we've never comforted people we love as they were dying? We're human beings and it's a common experience. What dark place does such an assumption about atheists come from?
Ouch............. I accept that I can never let u see what i see or believe. Like u said I have no power. But....Austinstar I can already see and feel ur perception about god. I mean...we're humans and we've all felt doubts.
I am an atheist. I don't believe in a god or gods, therefore, i haven't got your perception of your god. Is it just impossible for you to even imagine that there is no such thing as your god?
@Dwight Do you understand that atheists don't think God is real?
Ummmm sure....It could however be argued that atheist do......However they call god something else...There is always an unknown factor in science (a why).....This is just what Christians call god
That is not even close to being true, Dwight. We don't call ANYTHING a god or gods. There is no god or gods to us. You believe in a god. I do not. It's just that simple. I don't worship science either or anything else. No GOD exists. Thor either.
There's the heart of why you can't effectively communicate with atheists, Dwight; you are incapable of understanding that we don't think God is real. Unknowns are only God to people who think God is real. Unknowns are just unknowns to everyone else.
Dwight, you are not allowed to tell people what to believe, or not believe. You can only speak for yourself.
Dwight, d0 y0u believe in Santa Clause?
---in Jamaica a fruit is called ackee...in Barbados that same fruit is called guinep.
---Atheists have blind spots "unknown knowledge"...this same "unknown knowledge" is called God or God's work by Christians.
That's all I'm saying............
Unkn0wn kn0wlege has n0thing t0 d0 with g0d th0? Like what d0es that have t0 d0 with anything? And was that fruit a metaph0r f0r s0mething? Just because y0u d0n't kn0w s0mething, that d0esn't make it divine. It just makes it unkn0wn.
@Dwight, is there anything at all that you don't think is real to help you understand the concept of not thinking something is real? You can't have a meaningful conversation about religion with an atheist if you don't know what an atheist is.
One of the most spiritual things about death to me is the notion that with every breath I inhale one molecule belonged to my mothers last breath. In such a way she is a part of me. Pure science and profoundly spiritual.
Come on guys how could u not get that?
All I'm saying is that atheist don't know everything...so if u guys were logical thinkers u'd have to accept the POSSIBILITY, POSSIBILITY of there being a diety or UNKNOWN supreme being in that grey area
N0b0dy said it wasn't a p0ssiblity. We said we didn't care. L0udly. And repeatedly. And that y0u can't F0RCE 0ther pe0ple t0 give a shit, and that we d0n't want y0ur "maybes" 0verriding pe0ple's /reality/ in 0ur laws and culture.
blargablarga: I'm very glad that u pointed that out-------"we didn't care"....i think that's a serious problem, cause if you're wrong..................wellllllllll
The possibility of a deity is incredibly slim. and if she existed she couldn't care less about us and the small rock we're living on. Evidence all over the world shows it doesn't care. So why should we care about it if he existed.
@Dwight Thanks for reminding me of this weird misconception some Christians have. It inspired me to write this: https://owlcation.com/humanities/Atheists-Dont-Thi... Maybe you can explain why you equate God to ignorance there?
Again u guys are judging god based upon ur perceptions.....u are bound to fail there
Well, what else are you supposed to use when you judge things? Your dreams?
No, you are telling other people what they believe. I believe you when you say you think God is real; why can't you believe me when I say that I don't? Why not be open-minded and read it before judging it so harshly?
Austinstar: u can judge things within ur scope but how can u judge something u don't understand???
Kylyssa: i believe u
Easy. I don't "judge" things at all. I seek to understand things, not judge things. If i do not understand something, i simply study it. If i cannot understand it, i do not automatically assume it is "god". Someday, someone will understand it.
We don't just "assume" the unknown is god..Like i said already have my evidence of his existence..
Also I liked what u said about one day science will catch up to god There's a lot i have to say there.In fact It's in the hub I want to publish soon..
Again with this perception nonsense.
Dwight, even with your personal evidence you keep talking about, how are you able to understand/anaylze it enough to come to the conclusion that it proves God when he's in a realm beyond human perception?
why do u think it's nonsense?
For starters, are you going to answer the question?
It's nonsense because you brought up that it isn't possible to judge or even analyze God because hes in a realm beyond perception. And yet you keep making it sound like you are capable of doing so.
I don't and can't judge god
You can't judge God. But how can you be sure, when reading the Bible, that it is an actual God they are describing and not just an invention of the authors of the Bible? You are judging a religious text, not an actual God, in that case.
...so, you're not going to answer the question?
At least you're honest about it I guess...
The more science progresses the less room there is for God. The God theory does not explain the first cause. Science does. The God theory doesn't work anymore for evolution, for the sun and earth, for the universe. Science explains it far better.
Titen: I understand why ur not sure, sadly the only way to get answers is to accept him as your savior
Link: I don’t undersand what ur trying to say
Peter: there are more believers now, more than ever
Yep.......... ur pretty much right. I can't deny that bad things happen and we feel badly about them.
But if nature killed someone no one complains
But if God allowed it to happen, everyone is turned off...
Why is that?
That's sort of the crux of the matter isn't it? First of all, I wouldn't say no one complains if it's a natural disaster, but if there was an intelligence behind the disaster, well, that's got to raise additional questions.
Yeah I can't imagine y0u think n0 0ne c0mplains ab0ut natural disasters. They L00K f0r s0me0ne t0 blame. Wh0's the met0r0l0gist wh0 didn't warn us fast en0ugh? Wh0's the head 0f the red cr0ss wh0 isn't getting supplies here fast en0ugh? C0me 0n.
It isnt just death which is natural. But does god work in mysterious ways when the corrupted take power? When there is injustice? When a murderer or rapist gets away scott free. People all say that is god working in mysterious ways? not just nature
so ur saying that regardless of who's fault it was why child die (god or nature) everybody is still going to blame one of them?.....cause if that's the case then it makes no sense to not believe in god, unless u shouldn't believe in nature too.
It's refreshing hearing from someone like you Veroniquebee: someone who's felt both sides. Your answer has a lot of truth. I can see how atheist would struggle with most of what Christians express/xpln.
I'm also happy that you chose to serve god.
Actually, I didn't. I still am rather close to christianity, since it was a crucial (no pun intended, heh) part of my life and education, but I was unable to find myself in that religion. Only later, I found myself in jediism.
Jediism?????????? cool I think.....
but christian in me says “Fear/confusion is the path to the dark side.” (from the movie u know right?)
Great response Vladimir....I however would not recommend that u jump blindly into anything...u see when ur in the world u can't understand the ordinances of god. It's best to study and seek guidance from him and someone u trust.
Dwight...you make Bible look like some rocket science that's hard to understand. It's actually VERY simple, and the simplicity of it is one factor that's turning people off. Universe is not explainable on that level. Just "believable".
Y0u menti0ning Satan reminded me 0f h0w weird it is that a l0t 0f Christians use all dem0nic names interchangeably. But they use angelic names c0rrectly. That's weird t0 me. They'll call Lucipher Satan but w0n't call Micheal Gabriel. IDK why.
I'm not sure I get what ur saying blarga aren't Michael and Gabriel different......I think that's pretty much accepted everywhere
Yes. Satan and Lucifer are different dem0ns, but Christians use them interchangeabl, s0metimes they'll thr0w in Bealzibulb, basically any dem0ns, like all dem0ns l00k the same t0 them 0r s0meshit. But they d0n't d0 it with angels. And that's weird.
In the Old Testament Satan works for God as the Accuser or Adversary who argues the sins of man before the throne of God. Christianity changed all that with their own take on Satan.
Umm actually Lucifer WAS,WAS,WAS an angel of light
-----And now he is Satan after having fallen
Dp, that's innaccurate. Just factually inc0rrect. Y0u sh0uld study up 0n y0ur dem0n0l0gy. Satan is n0t a name f0r Luci after the fall. They're tw0 different pe0ple.
Mhh....to the point........
Yes A lot Christians tend to choke their witnessee with the gospel.
This though is highly attributed to Christianity being about quickly spreading the "good news"
I also agree that their are errors in some areas of Christianity
Mhhhhhhhhhhhh......so are u saying we shouldn't quote any books?
When having a conversation yes. It sounds stupid.
Same as I would say, I love vanilla ice cream because Einstein said...
That's a stupid reason to love vanilla.
No, you shouldn't quote any books. You should understand the concepts in a book, but express those concepts in your own words. That's what he's saying Why do YOU believe gayness is wrong? not why does x_book believe that.
Peter that sounds like a false anology.....How does discussing the importance of one's soul factor in with ice cream. If you had used an example with a doctor quoting something from Erich Segal's book then they'd compare.
Sexual preference and ice cream preferences are way m0re c0mparable than sexual 0rientati0n and disease. What d0es that even mean?
Dwight Austinstar said it correctly. A quotation of a book or person says nothin, a understanding and concept of a book does.
I love vanilla and I believe in God have a lot in common. Personal taste without scientific evidence.
Their importance and category are completely different.
I love god because d bible says to:
(now lets compare)
I love vanilla ice cream because Einstein (incoherent)
I love eating health because Erich Segal's book said to (a match).
It doesn't matter what a book says. What do YOU say? Do you love Spiderman because a book tells you to? Do you eat insects because a book says they are good for you? It's not about the book! It's about YOU!
Very coherent. Google Einstein vanilla. Google the modern bible. Pick and choose..."Einstein's first act in Princeton was to buy an ice-cream cone. He stopped at the Baltimore ice cream parlor and ordered vanilla with chocolate sprinkles"
Again........are U saying that we shouldn't listen to a book?
You READ a book. Your brain processes the information. Then You LISTEN to your brain. Why is this a difficult concept?
No off course not Dwight, we should read and listen to as many books as possible. Combine the knowledge and form an opinion. That's what I promote. But I'm not a fan of blind quotation of any book.
Exactly, quote yourself, not someone else's book when giving an opinion. When writing term papers, you need to quote the original books. But not just one book, you need 3 good reference books for credibility.
DP I assume y0u went t0 sch00l. D0 y0u remember why plagiarism is a thing? Because it means that y0u didn't actually understand the material. Earlier, I made 3 biblical references that y0u didn't pick up 0n and said y0u didn't understand.
I wanna respond to everything but...Give me an hour I just need to finsh and submit this Lab.....I'm in last year at college an I don't want fail anything...Just give me a sec.....
Sill laughing about the Einstein vanilla connection ;-)
It was cheating I know..
And pick and choose....
Just like many people use the bible to pick and choose there answers.
G00d luck 0n y0ur assignment! Als0 I think vanilla and vanilla with t0ppings sh0uld be different ice creams. Americ0ne Dream isn't vanilla. Superman isn't vanilla and it's literally just vanilla with f00d c0l0ring in it.
Bloody ... Why am I defending Vanilla ice cream in the first place, I don't like vanilla, give me some chocolate fudge and I'm in heaven. Punch intended..
I'm of to bed, hope won't get any vanilla nightmares...
This is not very christian..bu I've decided to go past the deadline and give it in tomorrow there's something I'm not getting blarga.....unless u knw about viscosity...
By the way I'm lost (1000%) to the ice cream conversation..... I don't get it.
Look up the definition of analogy.
See, that's what I mean. Y0u have t0 be able t0 understand c0ncepts t0 apply them. Are y0u studying internal fricti0n 0r s0mething? Try telling them g0d did it. See h0w that g0es.
can't do that blargablarga....u know how colleges are..........What would it take for u to believe in god?
If I met a g0d I w0uld feel it rude n0t t0 believe in 0ne. I feel like 0ther sentient beings w0uld be insulted by that. But I w0uldn't believe it was a /g0d/ f0r reas0ns that y0u've already menti0ned. I'm n0t a g0d t0 my cat. D0 y0ur h0mew0rk.
Thank you....soooo even if some people saw god they wouldn't believe..
So why ask for evidence........................?????
And why complain...........?
I wholeheatedly agree. The bible has become completely outdated. It's violent and does not keep up with our current level of knowledge. It needs to be updated if they want to continue to use it.
My thoughts as well. To use the bible as an argument is an easy way out and not to think for themselves. You lay the responsibility of the argument outside yourselves.
So What other tool or wit do u think is best for a christian to use Allie?
The only tool you should be using is empathy. Empathy for your fellow humans. Common sense. Brains. Actions - be helpful to the human race, not demand that humans believe in an old book.
Well u know some Christians do that....even me every now and then. I don't always need the bible to bring something across......
DP, if y0u can't be a basic human using empathy, l0gic, and decency with0ut ev0king a deity, it's time t0 just hush. That's what y0u're n0t understanding. Y0u d0n't HAVE t0 be talking 24/7. S0metimes y0u can just hush. That's the answer. Quiet reflec
Allie: as Christians we're not expected to conform with the world but to remain outdated as u say....."stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us." 2 Thessalonians 2:15
blargablarga: sometimes I do keep quiet, and it works
Dwight Phoenix: I don't know if you'd need any other "tool" to use for a religion to prosper... Remaining "outdated", like you say, only makes you look like an apologist for some of the crude passages in the bible (not to mention really ignorant).
In general, American's tend n0t t0 "attack" Muslims because Muslims d0n't have their hands in everything. Muslims aren't running 0ur g0vernment instituti0ns, like 0ur children's sch00ls. Muslims d0n't have the type 0f p0wer that Christians have.
Mhhh...That's a colorful answer.....What's interesting though is that Christians tend to focus on similar topics when ministering, but when they come together there might be a discord.
Funny video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4BXMD-gn40
You should be glad Muslims don't have the type of power Christians have. Ever been to a Muslim country? Saudi Arabia is a real eye opener. According to their holy book, Muslims believe in many things people on the left find shockingly horrible.
Well... the K0ran reads really similarly t0 the Bible s0 that isn't really sh0cking. They're b0th written t0 appeal t0 pe0ple in a c0mpletely different s0ciety with c0mpletely different m0rals. But they're icnredibly similar t0 each 0ther. In fac
I can tell by your response you've read neither the Bible or the Quran and may not even know what the Hadith is or how it affects the Muslim religion. It's painfully obvious there is much you don't know. Sorry.
I've read b0th. I'm actually a biblical sch0lar (see my previ0us c0mment ab0ut being b0rn and raised in the bible belt). They're b0th Abrahamic religi0ns that use the T0rah as a base. I'm n0t sure why y0u w0uld deny that?
I'm sorry. You may be many things but you are not a scholar of anything. Based on your writing, word choices and how you present ideas, I'd say you maybe have a bachelor's degree. I doubt you know what it means to be a biblical scholar. Nice try.
Yeah, isn't it weird that educated pe0ple can still have regi0nal dialects? What an 0dd n0ti0n.
Confirming that she isn't a biblical scholar with actual questions would be more fruitful I would think.
Saying "You aren't one" doesn't do much of anything, especially since you're making it sound like you actually are one, Read. Should be easy.
I this he's c0nfusing biblical sch0larship with the0l0gical adherence. He's thinking that because he d0esn't see me as a dev0ut Christian I can't p0ssibly have studied a piece 0f literature. A l0t 0f Christians have s0me disdain f0r biblical sch0la
Hey blarga............It's been tickling me for a while now but....what's up with the "0"s...?
I'm guessing his keyboard letter "O" is unusable, so he's substituting with the ZERO. If I'm right, U can consider me an ASTUTE Scholar. If wrong, then Mike can insult me. These threads are insane.
Paula's right. Remember grade sch00l typing class? Using the cl0sest LEET substituti0n f0r a missing key. 0n my ph0ne 0r 0ther keyb0ards I use the "0" but I'm n0t here that frequently s0 idk if I've used anything but my play c0mputer. I'm a she th0.
LOL......And of course u are a she :)
Oops. Sorry girlfriend. The pictures are tiny, especially when I don't have my "readers" on. But I knew I was right about your Zeros!
0h I d0n't care! I just th0ught it was funny. Plus my pic is all bleached and washed 0ut. I was g0ing f0r kind 0f a "Wednesday Addams" thing and it instead c0mes 0ff as "white blur" :p
The bible is an important tool in Christianity. It is not alwasy used effectively but it doesn't make it any less of an effective tool....just the user(s). Seek ur own salvation u don' have to wait for someone to tell u about god..
I liked how u started......but I can understand ur ending...I just pray hope that people don;t run from Christianity because of encounter with not so good christian..
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