For this question, you must use your imagination. You must pretend the premise of the question is true and then answer it accordingly. The premise is that God has been discovered and it's been proven there's just the one (and, for this hypothetical question, you believe it) and it isn't the God you currently believe in. For instance, if you believe in Yaweh, the God is some other God who doesn't conform to the personality or behavior of the God in the Bible in any significant way. For purposes of the question and only of the question, the real God is not yours and there are no others.
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No, I wondered if believers could imagine their particular God not being real after reading answers to Brad's question that showed some can't imagine a world in which no God exists. I'll keep your rant so people can see what kind of person you are.
it makes no difference. The question is paternalistic and relies on stereotypes. Realists will appreciate logic not paternalism. Imagining there's no God is like imagining how to be stupid: a pointless and foolish and foolish exercise.
You didn't even read the question if you think I asked people to imagine God wasn't real. I asked people to imagine God is real, but just not what they expected. You stereotyped atheists & believers in the rant that you posted instead of an answe
Oz, there is no conspiracy here that I can see. Warm to that free speech in all of us. Have no fear that you need to relinquish your own beliefs. Just allow unbelief. Simple.
Jonny I have been vigorously defending Ethical atheism for over two years on HP in my hub about the failures of new atheism. We can't sit back and shrug off religious intolerance as just atheism: it's not atheism and has nothing to do with atheism.
That's fair enough. But if a person who is not a "believer" gets the impression he/she is being told to "believe or be damned," then it's religious bullying. Maybe that is where the "new" atheism is getting its energy.
I believe you may have missed the entire point of the question by being blinded by where you think HP is going. This isn't an atheist vs believers question - it's a 'well if, then?' Question. The only one making it A v B is you.
Asking people to imagine something outside their current view of reality isn't stereotyping. How is it a stereotype to suggest people have their own individual ideas of God? Your talk of "evolved religious beliefs" is stereotyping.
You described something like the stages of grief in there. Would it be fair to say you'd grieve your old beliefs and then change at your own pace to accept and live with the new reality?
Yes, that clarifies it well, thx. My main concern is to have control over what I believe....not have someone else try to convince me along the lines they regard as acceptable. Truly free choice if you like.
With which sense or senses do you "witness" your god?
Thanks Ashley for an insightful response. We are sure to mee our Lord on the day of judgment but how would be that meet is a matter of realization. As far in the world, we all can make use of our senses to sense the sensibility of God's existence.
Ashley, I can't understand your answer. Are you saying you have no preconceived idea of God or that your idea of God already includes all possibilities? Or something else?
I'd be mighty surprised myself as I don't believe in any Gods either. I think reactions would all be quite personal. Thank you for your answer.
This makes a lot of sense and I appreciate your insight. The Baha'i probably wouldn't have many adjustments to make and it sounds like they'd be there to help everyone adjust, accept, and thrive after what might be a shock.
So are you saying that you would decide your earlier ideas about God were mistaken or just undeveloped and you'd change your beliefs to fit the revealed God or that you'd cling to your beliefs that didn't match the revealed God's reality?
What I am saying is true belief in God happens once for all.The moment one believes,the relationship with his God increases exponentially with his age & practices,so there is no turning back.Instead,weaker faith has no authenticity,it may change.
So you would consider the revealed God, no matter how He might differ from your expectations, to be your God?
To believe God is one is human nature. When we believe in one God with complete willingness & without an external pressure then there is no logic in discussion. As far expectations, being His servant, worship means I need to fit to His expectatio
muhammad abdullah javed, it seems to me that you have not been able to answer the question which Kylyssa has put to us. You have not been willing to step out of your beliefs to consider anything else with imagination.
it is unethical to use the word imagination in lieu of the real subject which is simply atheism. The train of logic jumps the tracks into a swamp of paternalism and stereotypes.
No, Alan, his answer is good. He's saying he'd worship the revealed God as He was in reality and wouldn't see it as a change in God but as a maturation of his own belief.
Oztinato, I do use the word "imagination," ok, therefore I'm unethical..if you say so. Yet, for me to use my mind in the process of imagination, to dance and have fun in thought, that for me is human life, integrated with science, totally ethical!
Dear Alan, the heart & mind facilitate imagination, but that should be within the realm of reality. You can imagine about the expanse of authority of the God but not about God itself as we are with limitation of senses.
Yes, I agree with that, Muhammad, good point. So any imagination of a "god" has to be in terms of our physical experience. Hence, I suggest the personal understanding for each must be individual and unique? In this way I can honour and respect.
Yes Alan we should honor the view points and opinions of everyone, atheist or theist doesn't matter. With the given senses we can easily arrive at a concensus, what needed is beautiful admonitions and we all have equal rights for the same.
Thank you. For purposes of this question the God revealed can be assumed to be neither evil, finite, nor uncaring just different from the God you expected in the details, like maybe God is genderless and didn't write or inspire the Bible.
I like this answer!
expressing opposing view points is healthy.
It is inadvisable to pander to social media if one wants to get to the truth.
You insult me greatly
I like this answer, too, Yoleen.
Writing a question to get atheists and believers to think about beliefs is a waste of time but leaving a personal attack on such a question isn't? Why does the question make you so angry you had to answer it with your rant?
.....and you don't think there is any superstition involved here, Elesh?
Thank you for answering. What if the God's plan is for us to go through the pains of growing up on our own and making our own mistakes?
You are entitled to feel and think that way, Andrea.
I find your response interesting. What if the revealed God had no Hell option for people, just a healing of every spiritual illness in the afterlife instead?
Now that I have had some time to let this deep question sit in my head, I don't think my life would be changed by all of this. I just focus on being a person of integrity, compassion, and generosity. That's all that matters to me.