I just read a question that asked "why do Christians hate atheists?" In looking at the answers I notice a complete lack of any Christian who admitted or claimed or otherwise suggested that they hate atheists. I don't know any who do -- do you? I would like to find one Christian who hates atheists, so I can understand this question.
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Sometimes I don't like my faith handcuffs, it just is not fair. But that is what my faith has chosen for my heart to follow and my intellect to remain true to.
I wonder about getting mad versus hate. They are not the same. Thank you for the thought.
Dana - Do you realize that in these Q&A it was Christians who used derogatory names for atheists - "like "Satan", "hypocrite", and alike? Why? Only because atheists had audacity to challenge their faith with some legit questions. Who is "crue
Vlad you are talking about one wingnut. I can tell by the words you use. Really one crazy and you use that as an example? Norine is different. And you know it, Have compassion.
Eric - Of course I know, I was responding to the word "cruelty", and one example will do, as opposed to no mentioned examples of atheists calling believers any "cruel" names. Remember, I am not a believer, so I can afford not to show compassion, LOL
Glad you caught my humor. Life is good and special people add a spice.
Eric - Agreed.
I am looking Lawrence but I have little hope of finding one. Maybe anger and dislike. I hate Lima beans -- there I said it and I stand by it. Surely if there is a Christian hater they will come forth with reason. (I was forced to eat them as a child)
I followed the link on this question to the other and I think it's a case of those calling themselves 'christian' but not producing the fruit! I think that's why Jesus said "By their fuits you'll know them" my thoughts anyway
Guide me friend I found no Christian saying that they hate Atheists. I will chase down any lead.
Neither did I, I did find some trying to give examples like Russ Limbaugh. My reply was look to what they do! (The fruit) that's how we know who really is!
I saw that funny list by Austin. Apparently Austin believes that anyone who does not like an Atheistic position hates atheists. Good for Austin. Note this question does not ask "hate atheism" but rather "hate Atheists" big difference.
As always, delightful and entertaining with some good truth thrown in for measure. I had to stop and ponder this idea of the human condition naturally hating. I have to think it is all learned unlike love which is natural. If taught ???
Eric - There are only two inherent emotions - love and fear, and all others are derivatives from them two, including hate. As we get psychologically more complex from birth on, so do derivatives of love and fear. They get "specialized", not learned
Interesting school of thought. That hate coming from a fear turned outward. Survival mode and then nurtured. Clearly this holds some truth.
Vladimir, I once was told that the opposite of love is fear, not hate. I must confess, I don't quite understand this. Maybe it would be good idea for a hub.
Daydreamer - I may write a hub on this topic in the next few days.
It would be good of you to write more on the subject. I don't really see hate as anything but a taught emotion/feeling. I have four outstanding children and I ask them about this and they have no hate. Maybe my cooking. But that was learned behavior.
Eric - You are so lucky that your kids openly talk about their emotions. Many other kids would not dare to say that they have a hate to their preacher father. To them it would be like shaming everything that their father stands for. Lucky indeed.
Oh Val, do not be discouraged. They do not hate me. But they have very direct opposing views on my positions. It is cause for rancor and hugs. We agree to oppose each other on certain matters. Dang liberals and crazy Conservatives - life is good!
Eric -. You misread. It was about kids feeling hate and not saying it to their father - not "hating their father". What's "discouragement" to do with any of it? Sometimes you think on a strange wave length, and my antenna can't pick up your station
That my friend is because you are looking for antennae instead of what is straight spoken. Some of us just are. And there is no wave length to gather from. Look straight into it instead of around the edges for a wave.
I have no problem with a christian person vehemently disliking me or my sexual orientation. Only when that dislike becomes hate and threatens my livelihood in any way...then I am liable to confront.
thanks, great and insightful read!
Who is the "loudest HP proponents of Christianity"?
What an interesting perspective. It does indeed, if it is actual, seem to be a reaction of sorts. I have to conclude that if it exists it is a visceral learned response of fear. Even then I see it probably being shortlived and a reaction.
Metta. I like your answer. However, does anybody here realize that "hate" is ridiculously strong word to describe some simple disagreements? Folks, we don't even know each other. Come on, how could we "hate", is anybody here under 5 years old?
Lolita, that is where I come from. Even if I don't want to ;-)
Lolitta, Could any normal person "hate" someone that they don't even know? We are all strangers here, family people, not doing any harm to each other, atheists or not. And who should really be concerned if Christians "hate" anybody or not?
Wow you got my juices flowing there. But I did not see one persons face only a movement. I contend we can, but I am not fully convinced that we can hate an idea and not those that proffer it. Hate actions not people. Very cool response, thank you
Thank you Paul, you have an interesting perspective. The ceasing of being Christian is one way to look at it.
Come on, Paul, be a little logical here. There are more than billion Christians, and if they didn't hate anybody, this planet would be a Garden of Eden. When are you going to be ordained as a saint, so I can attend the ceremony?
Agreed and I think most if not all Christians know this.
Leakeem, it surely appears that this is the normal and common belief. There are those that are different but they are not the norm.
I think that hate could be the wrong word to get people to admit to. They may not see it as hate, but more following the word of God and conclude it cannot be hateful if it is of God. Which isn't true - it can definately be hateful. My 2 cents anyway
Sad but true. I expected someone to step forward and say that they hate atheists because God commands it. There is OT support for such a thought. But apparently Christians are not buying into that and choose NT of no hate. Interesting isn't it.
Thats the thing tho - there are those who use NT verses to back their discriminatory positions on certain groups - it can't be said that the NT isn't lacking in dislike. Paul disliked some groups A LOT. So it can be used in hatred or to defend it.
Really -- Paul hated certain groups? Where did that come from? If Paul hated then it would basically be OK to hate. I am scratching my head on this one. OK I note your said disliked. Fair enough.
As a true Christian, you do not hate any one group of people based on their beliefs or lack there of. Professing your love of Christ and then with the same breath saying you hate anyone is the worst form of hypocrisy.
That certainly seems to be the consensus.
like I said - hate isn't the word. the verses around Corinth/Romans + Paul - these are used by modern followers as Clobber Verses - verses out of context used to back discriminatory behaviour against other groups. Not hate per say, but hateful behav.
Faith you wonderful woman, thank you for bringing your personal feelings here. It is important for the concept to have that full range of reality. I am still looking for that whoever that hates atheists. I still have not found them. Maybe not!
Faith - It's refreshing to hear that you, a human being, are not humanly capable of hating, and there is only love in your heart - just because Jesus didn't hate anyone. Maybe I could play piano because Liberace was a piano virtuoso..
Hahaha Vlad, there's the sarcasm. Yes, I am indeed a mere human and Jesus the only perfect one. There are many who are hard to love in this life just because of their actions, so we may not love their actions but we are to love them anyway.
Faith - If you knew me better, it was not sarcasm, just some innocent humor. I understand, some folks are not lovable but if we generate love, then it's our eyes that make everything look lovable.
Hi Vlad, that's for the clarification. Yes, it is difficult to love some people, but with the power of the Holy Spirit in us, we are able to do so. God bless.
jtrader, I think you are right. I think the responses to the question here has debunked a suggestion by non-believers.
Cool answer. I rest easy reading this kind of declaration of faith. It is nice to hear from folks with a similar view. Thank you
Besarien - It's for the noble hearts and fine minds like yours that I regret having said some harsh things about believers. As for some others, I only regret my decision to stop saying them.
Vladimir that is a cool comment.
Thanks for leaving an answer.
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Well that would make it difficult.
Well that is a real problem then because no one else would know. And yes I think they would. Confession is good and it is not like it would be a mortal sin. I think if I would have said "dislike" we would already have some positive responses.
Cassandra - Do you mean "hell"? Just say it, it's a very popular and much advertised word, next to "boogie-man", "Satan", "demons", and the whole happy company.
Good point Eric, I could say I dislike the negativity I feel from some Atheists. I could say I dislike the belittling and activist attacks on church schools and programs. Hate is a much harsher term that doesn't inter into my responses. dislike,yes
But couldn't they just be wayward sinners that have an issue and hate? Maybe they are even asking to have the hate lifted. I am sure there is a forthright Christian that will confess this transgression.
That's true but still not okay. Turning to God for help would be the wisest choice but telling somebody that you hate them will never be okay, atheist or not. Admittedly, that's simply my opinion and nothing more.
I agree it is not okay.
Very nicely done response with much to think about. Thank you for this.
I think a whole bunch of people view it this way.
Well that is an interesting comment.
I see your point but I am not even satisfied that Christians hate the sin in others. Disapprove yes but hate -- no.
Well said and worthy of note. But I try and fail at being what I should all the time. There must be one Christian out there that will confess this.
John, I am still waiting for someone to confess they hate. Someone here says we all do so get over it. I disagree. I have yet to find a Christian that even claims to have hated an atheist in the past. I believe it is a fiction, made up for argument.
Some of it is a fear caused by media.
daydreamer13 I certainly see your point. The media climate is not favorable for many these days.
Thank you for this affirmation. It is good to hear from you.
Good for you!
Well I certainly agree with you. I do in fact just hate hypocritical Cabbage Patch Dolls always telling me what to do and doing something else - rascals!
John - You hit the bull's eye here, preaching one thing but doing something else. That's why I could never be a preacher - I constantly upgrade and refine my philosophy, acting out something that was recently my heresy. Clean conscience.
Well spoken. Exceptions to the rule do not prove a rule. And of course note we did not say "hated". This is a current discussion not an historic one. I still cannot find a Christian that hates Atheists.
A nice point of view. I hope the majority hold at least something close to it.
Rev. That is what has me scratching my balding head. There are those who could justify hate in some fashion. But apparently no one really does. A fun note - assuming they are out there, but are too ashamed to admit it. That is also better. Hope.
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Very nice response. Thank you
What a nice response, thank you.
Its not possible to judge someone who has such a radically different philosophy to your own. Dislike, disagree, yes, but not judge. Judging requires a common set of principles that another is not adhering to. Atheists don't follow Christian rules.
Fardmir - What if you don't love yourself? Most people of this world don't. If they did, they would respect their lives and their relationships. So, poor neighbors, no one loves them. Why should they, because neighbors don't love themselves either.
You don't love yourself? I pity you. Are you uncomfortable with yourself? I would find it hard to love anyone else if I didn't love myself.
Fardmir - Make some sense, first you ask me if I don't love myself, but you don't wait for my answer and rush to say how you pity me. You know why I love myself? Because I have enough brains to see a nonsense. These Q&A. are truly entertaining.
You love yourself because you can see nonsense? Hmm...okay.
Fardmir - I only have 200 characters, and my reasons for loving myself are a much longer story that this space could accommodate. But why do you care? My reasons would not be valid for your loving yourself, so you can't benefit by knowing them.
Gabe I think we are getting a pretty clear picture that this inquiry shows a big no from Christians. I think it is not a true question but a bait tactic.
Seems the consensus
My thoughts exactly.. Hate is not a core value in the religion. However, you can't control the human factor to hate something that goes against your principles and opinions.
Isn't that one of the cool things about being Christian. Hey we all have the feelings but in Christ we can overcome and change them into the positive. I confess I hate Lima beans.
so do you know any of these ones " conservative, dogmatic, fanatical, fundamentalist, & traditional Christian" that actually hate atheists? I am still looking for a single one.
Interesting way of putting the calling.
That's part of the problem in today's world everyone is so focused on hating each other there is no love anywhere. Us as Christians need to step up!
There is plenty of love my friend it just gets overshadowed by those who scream hate the loudest. Even right here on HP I get the love constantly from my friends.
Well maybe that is why God sent me here, To see the love being drowned by hate
There are haters. It makes me sad. But there are some people that just hate.
I would hope being a Christian would make that extremely uncomfortable,. I suppose there are some that just cannot have faith. But they can hate.
Interesting notion. I don't know how that squares with the New Testament. There is that belief that the New Testament basically supersedes the old. And in that case there would be no call for hatred. I think.
There are a lot of interpretations. It's a wild ride. But I bet most of the Christians who say the New supersedes the Old still believe in the ten commandments. So who decides which parts of the Old still count, on what basis? It's complicated.
I have a simple rule of thumb in determining what of the old to keep and what to discard. If it speaks of anything but love for thy neighbors and enemies it is old and to be remaining in the past. No confusion here.
Hate has never been part of the Christian religion.
When disagreements like this come up, back-and-forth is often futile. I think this sort of thing is best explored on one's own. So I'll just leave these here:
For Eric -- http://bit.ly/1N4lTZ8
For Fardmir -- http://www.evilbible.com/
The person who wrote this is not taking into account the context in which the Old Testament was written. All of this was an acceptable thing to do in those times, not just in the Jewish community.
Friend, I appreciate history but do not live in it. The New Testament has so much in it that I cannot possibly also follow the old. Do you have a hatred?
Is that addressed to me or Candy Hippie?
Yes. I'm serious. Please answer
Of course it was addressed to you. Pretty plainly I might add. Are you alright?
Candy - Christians are only humans, with no amputated amygdala from their brains, which makes them perfectly capable of hating with passion. They may suppress it, they may deny it, but that is also a part of being human.
Certainly not. I do have frustration sometimes, though. But, as Jesus said, "Love your neighbor as you love yourself"
Or Candy Most Christians might have gotten over hate and moved on. Through self discipline one can over come the entanglement of hate. Of course God can also intervene. That is the best.Christians are not called to hate.