Individuals that can't read may not like the Bible because they can't read it.
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Keith LMAO. U make me crack up at least once a day!
Well they may like it when they hear someone read it to them.
That put a smile on my face.
JC when we believe Gods words we are never wrong. I trust them a 100 percent. So there is no argument my fellow huber peace to you.
I don't hate anyone but I do disagree with peoples lifestyle choices. Are you talking about gays, muslims, etc? Well I am sure they disagree with Christians. We don't preach violence but that quran does!
If you don't hate, shame, or try to take rights away from those people then you are certainly entitled to disagree and my post wasn't in reference to you.
Robert - if you don't think Christianity preaches violence, you've not read yr bible - one of the most violent books out. As a gay person, I have no issue with Christians or their faith, I only disagree with the enforcing that others must follow.
Truly you speak of small order. This is a wholly by numbers a Christian country yet we have made by law same sex marriage. What is there to protest left? The book allows such action.
Cite scripture that tells Christians to kill in modern day society. Back in old testament God did encourage some war. I can give you verses from quran that tells it followers to kill in name of Allah. Have you read lol.
I left the Church bc of major contradictions with the preaching of Love and 1) the violence I read abt in both the OT & NT, 2) the fact that no 2 Christian sects can agree on what the truth is,& 3) the 2000 years of violence practiced by the
Given that the Bible is used to protest, and sometime enact, bills/laws in modern society (gay marriage etc) using even OT verses, then any verse in the BIble stating "Kill for this reason" can be applied to modern society. Otherwise, cherry picking
Robert hahahahaha! This guy categorises gays and Muslims, etc? Basically anyone who is not a white Protestants Christian is hates by some. At the same time humans are supposed to be smart but you are all arguing about a book.Can't live? Follow a book
When U get 2 be an ADULT, U'll understand it's not UR job 2 agree or disagree w/ lifestyles of others. None of UR business! Period, The End. No one CARES what U think. What makes U think they would? UR a nobody.
I gave Link scriptures that show that the new testament is no longer commands for us to follow in modern times. Anyone that does cherry pick has not studied the Bible. Yes like I said after the enlightenment violence went up. Smart people can be evil
Actually Roob, there are Christians that do preach violence. Do I need to mention Pat Robertson, Westboro Baptist, and of course KKK? (Yes they do identify themselves as Christians). Just sayin, you can't assume all Christians don't preach violance
Kaylen H: Thank you, that is what I have been saying. Christian Fundamentalists are violent. See Hub, "The Rabbis, Jesus and infanticide" and "Judge Not and you will not be judged."
JC 1Cor 6:3 says it all " do you not know we will judge Angels. Then why not matters of this life.
Yes we are Judged.
Who wrote Corinthians? It is Not Jesus. Go by what Jesus did. He never condemned anyone, never cast a stone or used a sword. He forgave his killers on the cross. He did all this so we would know what the Father is like. Do likewise.
There's a reason for everything in the Bible. It's the human's manual for life.
Of course Ann~ I can agree there R most likely HUNDREDS of reasons 4 what's written in the Bible.~ & UR point is? Human's manual 4 life? U can use it any way U like. MILLIONS of "humans" do not agree w/ U. a BOOK directs UR life? Have U no brain?
If the Bible is a manual for life then you must think that humans should shun ambition, liberty, and the inclination to investigate...which are all needed for humans to progress. The snake in the Garden was not the adversary...God was.
Have we really gotten so stupid that we believe the Devil is the good guy?
The Devil never drowned the entire world, or rained fire down on gays. He never raped a virgin, or killed the innocent 1st born children of his enemies. Yes...we know! Just metaphors! Those who have eyes but REFUSE to see! Mind control to perfection
ITS A BOOK LMFAO NOTHING MORE BUT PEOPLE ARE BRAINWASHED INTO BELIEVING THEY SHOULD TRUST A GUY THEY NEVER MET!
Yes the Bible is history; it's also prophesy.
What outsider groups? Favor is deceitful & beauty is vain, but if a woman feareth the Lord she shall be praised. Proverbs 31:30. Don't take out of context. It teaches respect towards your husband but it also teaches men to respect their wives.
Anne, the Bible is far from being accurate history. You'd see that if you study the history of religion as a whole and not just the Bible.
Have you heard of Louis Farrakhan? There is a reggae song that says GOD is so good He sends more prophets again. The bible does not discriminate. It offers salvation.The only way to put it, is when you are in distress you know which father to run to
Ann810, History? You really believe Adam lived to be 937 years old? Noah had his first son at age 500? God created foreign languages because people were building a tower from earth to heaven? Samson killed 1000 men with a donkey jawbone? Really?
I can agree on Sufism (the Persian Masnavi etc.). I also don't have a problem with that kind of peaceful mysticism.
But Salafism, wahabism... Some Hadiths and Sharia law is particularly violent, totalitarian and closeminded.
In reference to Christianity's bloody past. Christianity offers salvation with the promise of being slaughtered. Contrary to popular belief, the second coming of Christ has taken place. Before this event Paul was sent on a mission to the Gentiles.
@Sam Shepards - agreed. The number of Muslims world wide under Sharia law is actually very small. We live in odd times where extremism from all sides is trying to take hold.
Don't know where you getting that from Angele? Not the Bible because it says everyone WILL KNOW when Christ comes back.
By the promise of being slaughtered I mean that many of God's prophets often preach destruction if one rejects God's teachings. These prophets are often ridiculed before the promised punishment comes.
It says we will be persecuted for being Christian but that doesn't mean slaughtered, though it can. It means they will face hardship and ridicule before God comes and saves them. Is that what you meant?(:
To me that sounds like Christians will be persecuted by non-Christians, but also persecuted for non-belief and living a life of sin. That's a whole lot of persecution, though after all, the Jesus suffering concept is central to the Christian mythos.
Christians are not told to kill in modern times, however the quran does tell its modern followers too. You know there is a Christian genocide in the middle east by islam. The Christian religion is not the inspiration for the terrorist attacks!
Ralph,u reveal ignorance in what you just saidBy that I mean you have formed false conclusions on the Bible without ever studying itNothing you said is actually true because you see it from a fallen man's point of view.God'sways r not man's ways
Yeah I always think I am so smart. As a HS sophomore my IQ was 113. After college I thought it would be higher so I took another IQ test and found it went down to 111. I dare not take the test again. I no longer have a day-job as I am retired.
Lolita, God is Good. All violence is a projection of Man and is Not of God. God does not condemn per Jesus. God never chose Hebrews, never gave them land, never authorized killing Canaanites, Jews are Not a separate group and there is No Holy Land.
Haha that is funny Kevin, nice honesty!(:
THAT is why we must spend time in God's word daily and meditate on it day & night.
I stopped believing when I read the Bible and realized that's not where my morals came from. The Bible often makes people judgmental, prejudiced and hateful toward others. I want to treat everyone with dignity and respect, which is a higher standard.
Learn Things - that is exactly why I left the Church 50 years ago in search of a better solution ... which I did.
WHY NOT IMPROVE ON YOURSELF WITHOUT NEEDING A SELF HELP BOOK THAT WAS WRITTEN 2016 YEARS AGO AND IS FICTION
Bible is older than 2016 yrs. You want to treat terrorists with dignity & respect Learn Things? I sure hope not. Also William it is not a self help. It's followers believe it to be the Word of God written down by man. It has never been proven fal
Cedric, are you seeing Jay C OBrien answer? You have God the Father, you have God the Son, you Peter the God. The Father rested on the Sabbath. He cannot break his covenant. Christ came, built his church on Peter. Confused?
Religious texts can take away moral responsibility because believers can place the blame for their bad behavior on God. He's the one who wants them to hate gays, oppress their wives, beat their kids, or shoot people at Planned Parenthood.
No where does Jesus preach hate. I disapprove of gays for sure, nasty to me. The Bible says a women who fears the Lord shall be praised! The stoning of kids was for old testament not modern time & planned parenthood?... c'mon be real that was a w
just as Stalin and Mao used atheism to kill millions.
No actually if you are bad... the Bible says you go to hell. So no you don't get to blame bad behavior on God. Maybe you should research online and Learn some Things on the Web.
Well the old testament is not laws for living today, that would be the new testament. Maybe you shoulda read the whole thing through.
That is why it seems violent and not applicable. God was an angry God in the old days who had rules, now its faith!
So why don't the Christians just get rid of the Old Testament if it's not applicable anymore.
It happened, do you just delete history? Lol...
Were you trying to find Jesus Christ or were you a skeptic trying to find fault?
totally incredible. Who would do that?
I was a born again fundamentalist Christian for 10 years and I deeply believed in god.
What changed that other than having to read the Bible 18 times, which I would not wish on a monk?
@ Eric, I know right? :)
I like the Bible, but there's no way I would've read it 18 times in a life time.
Sounds like a cult to me and I would run also
Yeah that is true, why did you read it 18 times in 18 months? Never heard of any other Christian reading it even two times in 18 months from beginning to end.
I really want to know the impetus to read it 18 in 18. It is incredible. I think 4 times in forty years is cool but....
I was truly committed to God. Why wouldn’t one read it if one was a Christian? The reason Christians believe the bullshit they believe is because they don’t know what it is the bible. I’ve seen Star Wars 30 or 40 times because I loved it. Same thing.
30 or 40 times? Well that is interesting. What is the newest thing you are interested in 18 - 40 times?
I've seen Star Wars 30 or 40 times over the past 30 years. As a Christian, one is supposed to read the bible, and one is supposed to know exactly what it says. I did. I've also read the Koran. The bible is more violent than the Koran.
Its not normal or healthy to read it that much. I am sure God would rather have you out spreading the word instead of just reading the words. Unless your a very fast reader, I don't know. The quran tells its modern followers to kill, Bible doesn't.
I know and that is actually one of the reason, I got thing for seducing nuns, I think the religion is full of crap, thus their devotion is a joke, not to mention all the evil thing the bible teach, I only read some of it and the bible make me sick
In revelation it says his hair is white as wool, his eyes like fire and his feet like bronze. You read it many times - sticking to your interpretation. Sit down and simply read the book of Galatians from start to finish. Then read 2 Corinthians 12.
You said you like seducing nuns and the Bible makes you sick? Sounds like you got perversions dude!
The Heavenly Father also hate things in the Bible, but I don't hate anyone. God has the right to hate, He's the Most High God. You can know something beyond others as well, if you practice feeding your true being which is your spirit.
You sound just like one of those Hebrew Israelites.
What's a Hebrew Israelite? It could've crossed your mind that I sound like a person that reads the Bible often; a Christian. But not the religious Christian, the spiritual Christian though.
"God Hates things in the Bible? He has a RIGHT to hate? He's the MOST HIGH? (so there are OTHERS?) Practice feeding UR true being?" WHERE do U get these OUTRAGEOUS, LUDICROUS & EMPTY statements? Parrot much? Try independent thought.
Try not using caps all the time.
Fadmir..Mr.HI-school student~Shouldn't U be doing homework instead of thinking UR a smart ass who may suggest? I will emphasize how I CHOOSE.Earn UR Masters, come back when UR educated.U may NOT EVER suggest a thing to me,silly CHILD!
Maybe you should get a degree in self-calm. That way you wouldn't be angry all the time.
Paula I am a little confused here. Your comment sure looks like it is personally attacking someone because of their age and status. Wow if you would have attacked a black gay like a student young person you would be in a world of hurt PC wise.
Eric.I'm not responsible 4 UR confusion. I'm from the old school. A teen ager need not speak out snidely to an adult. I'll thank U 2 worry about UR own PC world, Eric. Black GAY?? Where'd that come from? Eric, take UR meds & don't ever lecture me
You don't write like an adult nor act like one. Act your age.
Paula I will lecture you whenever I feel like it. Especially when you mock someone's age and status in life. So just get over it.
Ahhhh, the ramblings of a mouthy, inexperienced child & a silly old coot playing tough guy.....LOL. This barely qualifies as mild entertainment. Eric, what U need to GET OVER is thinking ur the almighty resident Preacher. UR NOT. Nor R U a lawye
Paula that fits right into the response to the question. It is not the Bible that causes people to feel superior over others it is something more base. But the Bible is blamed for human action. Simply an excuse. Do you have one?
Ok ! I will try to comment in certain box but if a box does not exist I can not. I am using. A mobile device which limits space. We are fellow hubers we can show more tact
and kindness to each other that was my comment purpose, peace getit.
The bible is about the Jews (God's chosen people). They were in slavery, and learned the ways of the Egyptians.The laws were given to break those learned ways. Christ came to save from the misinterpreted laws.
Yes the truth hurts so instead they prefer to believe a lie(global-warming, evolution, same-sex marriage, abortion, Sunday is the Sabbath, etc.).
I rather live in a democracy then a totalitarian state.
Interesting concept. The Bible offers command? I always thought that free will deal. I viewed it as offering choices. I suppose I do not like to be told what to do, but I love being shown what to do. I love the Bible.
This topic interests me, I agree with Eric - interesting concept. The bible is not about commands. The bible is about God trying to breaking the commands by giving commands. I agree with you, people want to see and touch, not to hear and hope.
JC Rev 20:4 says Judgement was given them.
Acts 17:31 says he will judge the inhabited earth.
Hebrews 13:4 clearly says he will judge fornicators and
JC you pick scriptures of true sayings but misunderstand.
The problem JC is you are saying the Father is Jesus not so , the Father is still over Jesus and the son works with the Father. Jesus explains the Father to us because of their close relationship.
Yes, the Father is greater than the Son, but the Son is speaking for the Father who says: I do not condemn, punish or use the sword. Stop projecting your need to dominate/control onto the Father. Father Never condemns. Condemnation is from YOU.
I am with you, Jay. But if they STOP their need to dominate & control, they have no FUN, nothing....they are nobody. They NEED the attention & false control. I say Let them knock themselves out as the crazies they are.
Paula, thanks for your reply. I believe we are all connected as the hand is connected to our body. We are all one. Help one another to mature and grow. We cannot move on unless we All move together. We Are One.
There are also a lot of contradictions within it that make following it difficult or impossible. So I agree.
Or, maybe, she is content with what she believes, whatever that may be. Which makes me want to revise my previous answer slightly to add: Maybe the problem people have is not with the Bible, but with its followers. "Wake up!"
What? the picture with the question is the KJV bible.
Actually the KJV is just another fraud, commissioned by King James in 1607, and finished three years later...then edited by Sir Francis Bacon.
The oldest known bible(Sinai Bible) has over 14,000 differences from today's bible? You've been played!
Roselin, ask God to give you understanding of the KJV Bible through your spirit.
It is not difficult to follow the bible. The Deuteronomy scripture is the reason Christ died on the cross - to free us from the curse of the Law. To save us from Deuteronomy (punishment for the teachings learned during slavery) and to offer salvation
The written word of God and is our handbook not only for this life but forever. Will you spend eternity in Heaven with the virgin-born Son of God Jesus the Christ OR in the lake of fire with the Kenyan-born son of a pornstar Obama the Antichrist?
The bible is man made. Their claim is that it was inspired by God. To keep this nonsense intact they indoctrinate people from birth to not question this claim. Its just another unfounded and ridiculous claim with absolutely no evidence
You mean ridiculous like evolution, people being born gay and global-warming?
Get, it is incredible that a person with your intellect cannot perceive that there are matters beyond our comprehension. You remind me of the non-humble man who does not know his own limitations. You are limited. Believers are not.
Eric, u are limited to an ancient book of ridiculous & ignorant claims, yet somehow u see that as having NO limitations. On the other hand u are proposing that a mind that is searching for objective truth is limited.
*Programming ERROR. Wrong ou
Wait a second -- who says I am limited? I can see the possibilities beyond human comprehension and science. I can see the line of empiricism and fly over it in wonder. I can allow myself to go beyond the tactile. I am not afraid.
In other words....you can sense that there are many things that are unknown. We all do. The problem is that u have abdicated your real imagination and replaced it with the imaginations from ancient goat herders, dictators, psychos and who knows what!
I wonder if I have. If I rely upon that which is man then I surely do. If I rely upon that which I feel perhaps I do not.
I like my feeling more than my thinking.
"Emotional Thinking refers to a generalized inability to distinguish emotions and thoughts. For some, strong emotions tend to interfere with balanced and realistic thought processes and can result in distorted views of situations and relationships"
Yeah Quran gets respect becoz it's followers have a belief that it's each n every word is true unlike Bible followers .
The truth in your eyes. Everyone's perception is different, and everyone has a different opinion. Preach all you want, people are still going to have a different opinion than you.
Preach your belief all you want, people are still going to have a different opinion then you. The majority of muslims are not followers of the quran. Because the quran incites its followers to kill non believers. Terrorists.
I am truly amazed at how many non-believers I have encountered here on Hubpages. Are Atheists the new majority? Where are the believers?
Read the seven churches in revelation. God punishes, but He also sets standards, give warnings, and offers salvation over and over again. Like mocking Christ on the cross, most people see God as a wimp till He does what He says He is going to do.
JC. What ever Joshua did it was approved by the highest Judge and court of the universes. Daniel 7:10 . "the Court took its seat and books were open".
Psalms 50:7 For God himself is Judge. ( Selah)
Humans are not the highest authority.
Kiss and Tales, thank you for answering. Please see Hubs, "GOD DOES NOT CONDEMN, we judge ourselves in a mirror held by God," and "The Book of Joshua from a Christian Perspective." God does not judge. Man projects judgment onto others. Stop Projectin
Obrian are you overriding the scripture that says he is judge. I give you scripture Psalms 50:6 which point blank days he is. You give me a human opinion. No scriptures.
Sorry but you are not speaking truth.
Jesus said, "You judge by human standards; I judge no one." John 8:15
"Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For with the judgment you make you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get." Matt. 7:1-2.
JC.Example Jesus said he did not judge, like if you say I do cry.Does it mean you will not in the future To prove that point the very next scripture he says in John 8:16 and yet if I judge I am not alone.
He never said he would not. at that time no
Refer to the teachings of Jesus in the story of the prodigal son (Luke 15:11-32) and the Adulteress (John 8:4-11). In neither story did the father (or Jesus) condemn the person. He did Not judge. Read the Hubs cited previously.
My favorite true-story in the Bible is where Tamar disguises herself as a prostitute and gets impregnated by Judah and has twins. One of those, Perez, is in the lineage of Jesus. FYI - the movie "Year One" with Jack Black & Olivia Wilde is a rio
There is a lot of wisdom in the Bible.
JC explained is example , you own an exquisite resturant
You employ a staff of top chefs they are under your authority as to what menu to fix your special clients.
Is it right for one chef or more to judge his boss as how to run his Buisness
The bible is - history of people sanctified by God; people who distort the teachings/laws/punishment of God; a savior who broke the curse; inclusion of the Gentiles; prophets being punished for preaching the gospel/not liking the bible is the bible
God does not choose one people over another. We are all one people. God never made a covenant which involved killing (including children). God is Good, He does not use violence as described in the OT. Jesus taught, "Love your enemy" not kill.
If you take the older ones and you look up what those words meant back in the day they are very similar. The story isn't tarnished. Some people just don't like the conviction parts of the Bible... there is always a but though and some redemption!(:
I have a bible in front of me, that includes the Macabees - books like- Tobit, Judith, Sirach, Baruch etc. AHHHH. The Jews are the chosen people, Christ died on the cross. Jesus called Paul to preach and offer salvation to the Gentiles. Read Romans.
Yeah read Romans chapter one - The AIDS Chapter!
Well, there's nothing new under the sun. . . .
Ann....U've convinced me U use the bible as Ur manual 4 life. R all of ur comments as baseless, senseless & useless as "Well, there's nothing new under the sun?" HUH? Really?~~Hello? Earth to Ann~~ Please engage brain B4 speaking or writing.
"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun." Ecclesiastics 1:9
Paul- head the mission to the Gentiles. Peter - head the mission to the Jews. Jews and Gentiles are different. Those scriptures were for the Jews after Egypt. This is the reason for the desert before the promised land. It is like students today.
JC my device skips words . but I was saying if you said I do not cry. Does not mean you will not or can not in the future. Verse 16 proves that meaning
Im happy in the moment, but definatly do not believe in a God in what kind of form whatsoever.
Peter so you are truly satisfied with life? You don't do any thing you are embarrassed about. You don't have a dark secret? Maybe you are the exception... but I would be surprised if there wasn't a lil bit of darkness in your life...
ahorseback, that's just outright wishful nonsense. Also, the opposite of atheism is not Christianity. This is a bigoted statement, implying the supremacy of Christianity. I guess those who read the Koran or Torah just dislike themselves as well. SMH
My 4 year old daughter is the happiest person I know and she's an atheist. :)
A 4 year old can decide what religion they are? In the Bible kids are not responsible for believing in God, they all go to heaven if they die at a young age.
Does your 4 year old also have a political party from her observations? lol
I was pointing out the ridiculousness of such a sweeping statement. By definition she is an atheist.
The Bible says Children aren't responsible for choosing belief. So your daughter holds the position that there are no deities? Or does she not even think about religion? Aka she isn't an atheist or Christian as she has not made the decision herself.
Atheism: disbelief *or lack of belief* in the existence of God or gods.
She lacks a belief in the existence of God. She's an atheist.
I also know a lot of born again Christian losers, who are always doing bad...praying all the time, and getting nowhere or worse. When all their good Christian friends let them down,,,they come running to me...an atheist...because I actually care.
Ok you can be all technical. But I doubt your kid is for or against a God at this age unless somebody has been telling her things against God. Most likely if she hasn't been told what you think, she is undecided and not even thought of it yet.
I never claimed she was against God or had thought about it. Again, just pointing out the stupidity of a sweeping statement.
Wow at four years old? My children said prayers at 3. I suppose I brainwashed them early ;-) My grown ones believe but don't buy into church. Interesting how we effect our children.
Roob, the statement said "...happy in the MOMENT".
The moment is now. not my past life, not my future life but NOW
But right NOW I'm happy, without believing in an almighty god.
(of course I've my chocolate cravings - right NOW actually..)
what i meant peter was, in every moment you are happy? Or do you have dark moments that you probably don't wana share? I know every1 I have gotten close with has including myself. When ur life is bout to end, will u have hope for more?
Of course not. Everybody has it's moment of sadness. but I responded on ahorseback statement.
When my life ends, so be it. knowing that life has an end makes every second precious. You do not have a second chance. No rebirth, no heaven nor hell.
Oh but to live life in such a way. I remember a time 40 years ago when I acted based on a belief of the next. Now I say that I hope to God that I rest.
Eric, i do not live day by day, but appreciate every day, there's a difference.
Only men have a say? God could potentially kill? Gay persons deserve punishment? Which bible are you reading? God is merely trying to set things straight. A lot of time his chosen people are merely punished to lead them to the right of doing things.
the quran tells its followers to kill infidels aka non believers. Followers of that book are terrorists or purely blind! Evil book.
Books are not evil. people are.
The bible tells to kill non believers too! Deuteronomy 17
Interesting how you cite this passage. Yes the Bible condones capital punishment for certain crimes. So does the USA. But I have never heard of a connection. Thank goodness there is the New Testament.
Eric personally I think capital punishment is a crime. The USA is not directly a example for the world if your talking about fighting crime. Commercialized prisons, suing system etc.
You certainly have a point there. But I always question just who does it better.
That's a good question. Everything can be improved, and we should always strive to do so. How can we make things better? and not to be afraid to change something. (even if it's tradition.)
Peter first of all that is the old testament... If you were familiar with the Bible you would know that is rules for life long ago. The new testament is what applies nowadays. God of the old testament was angry, now Jesus came and we need FAITH!!!
The Quran in Chapter 10 Verse 94 says "If you have any doubts about what is written in this Quran which I gave to you, go and read the Bible" .
This simply means that the bible has a very important place in the world as Allah says. Don't ignore it.
Allah is just another name for Satan. Moslems worship death. Allah together with Antichrist Obama & False Prophet Francis form the unholy trinity of these last days. Get ready!
So why is the old testament still a part off the bible Roob. If you see Deuteronomy as invalid you should see the whole old testament as invalid, otherwise it's cherry picking.
It happened, do you just delete history? Laws change over time. It is good to know how it was before. It correlates. That is how history works Peter...
no you dont delete history (although I don't consider the story of Adam and Eve history.)
The 10 commandments are also from the old testament, I guess these don't apply either.
I always wonder about that Peter. The rules of engagement and conduct of the Civil war are not valid today. But I still look into the history. Maybe just to not repeat the bad parts. "valid" is an interesting label. Is the OT valid as a reference?
History is incredibly important. Although I'm an atheist I can see that the bible can be a source of inspiration. But you always have to think for yourself. To blindly follow is not wise.
Peter it seems to me that the Bible can, if literally taken, come up with contradictory positions. So the reader must come up with a concept that determines any seeming contradiction. Mine is love. That takes a little more effort than blind following
Blind following is the easy way out. Reading,thinking about it and criticizing is important. Not everything the bible says is right(let alone scientifically correct)but you can use it in your life in many positive ways. It's not the only way though.
Again Peter that is your opinion. Can you prove otherwise? I don't like when people who don't believe the Bible act like we are foolish and they have evidence. You can call mine an opinion if you want I can't literally prove it to you.
Roob I call people foolish when they do not think for themselves. people who blindly take for granted that every word in the bible is the truth. I have no problem with people who take the bible as a guideline, but criticize it. that's intelligent.
I reckon I cannot believe in the Bible. I love it and learn much from it. But I just cannot believe in a book. My religion is not biblist or a Buddhist. I am a Christian. I believe in Christ. Now the issue arises. What do I know about Jesus except.
Peter can you prove the Bible false? If not then my belief in it being absolute truth is VALID. Meaning what you think about it doesn't make it true or not.
Robert, go easy on yourself. Are you perfect in your understanding of the bible?
No but do you agree with someone saying the Bible is useful but it isn't truth? Without the Bible, how would you even know about Jesus Christ?
@ Eric, I caught that and fixed it. :)
@ Getitrite, What Bible do you read since you're not into the KJV version and we've been played? . . . .
I dont currently read ANY bibles! I have read the KJV, and some parts of other bibles, including the American Standard Version. Since they are all fraudulent nonsense, one is just as ridiculous as the others. Spirits do not exist, so no help there.
@ Getitrite, you have free-will to think whatever you want. Too bad you didn't engage in the experience of liking the Bible. Peace :)
Why should I? I have thoroughly deconstructed your claim. I have no idea why u are still going on about this nonsense,as if u have not been thoroughly debunked. Disturbing!!!
King James Bible is man-made fraud. A little research will confirm this.
No getitrite, the Bible has never been proven to be false. It is actually used by religious and non religious scholars as a historical document. Research it and getitrite.
Robert. Really?! I think its comically that u think u actually have a point. I have been hearing deluded people say nonsensical things like this, probably, many years before u were even born. The bible is mostly plagiarized nonsense.U've been tricked
So are you saying that is has been proven false? No it has not. I don't care what you think! I didn't ask what you thought! Also are you saying it is not used as a historical document by scholars religious and non religious? Because it is! Look it up
Maybe I'm not understanding what u mean. Could u post some links, please. Thanks
Getitrite, I am so relieved you finally admitted that you do not understand! You seem to have an absolute for everything. Why don't you go exploring on your own, and try not to dismiss all texts because you don't agree with one.
Loli, No. What I'm asking is what context is he framing his question? In what context is the Bible used by historical scholars? Surely Historians cannot be using the Bible to confirm virgin births, resurrections, talking snakes, and nonexistent Gods
one sure mark of a fool is to dismiss anything that falls outside his experience as impossible
-The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
While it is true that scholars do look at every ancient document, available, to evaluate the past of a certain civilization, the bible is NOT a History book. When compared to VERIFIABLE history from reliable sources the bible doesn't get much right.
Actually, you're wrong Getitrite, it is historically accurate. There are civilizations people didn't think really existed that were mentioned in the bible until they found them in the past few hundred years.
Great point Loli, I love that fact first heard it from the wonderful J.P. Morland!!(: I'm glad you understand.
Loli, There are also real cities mentioned in Spider Man, In fact, a thousand years from now, someone reading Spider Man will be able to corroborate plenty of REAL historical places that were put into the fictional story. So Spider Man is real then?
Like I said getitrite I would dispute facts with you but you keep mocking or bringing up what u think while u call our belief just something we think and false. Spiderman is a comic book, the Bible is God's word to Christians. Our hope & faith. B
u are mistaken, I am disputing your facts. Do u not understand how analogy/comparison is used to deconstruct "facts"
And furthermore u can't tell me that I dont know what Christians think. I was a born again sheep at one time myself. Think!
Lol no! I debate facts with facts. My Bible is full of analogies should I start quoting them? You will just say that is just a belief not a fact. You are hypocritical. An analogy does not counter a fact. GOOD BYE get your facts straight!
Getitrite you seem to being Gettingitwrong instead, pun intended. Comic books were written by man. The Bible was written through men-of-God by obedience, because they listened to the spirit of the Heavenly Father with their spirit.
I know Ann. I can't continue the conversation when he repeatedly does not cite any facts and uses analogy. However when we use one or don't quote a fact then ours is false. People who don't want to know God at all are sometimes made blind. Goodbye An
Old law: Do not kill. But Joshua killed men, women and Children. This is contradictory. Please explain.
Can we judge the hand of God who gives life , if he gives he is the law that knows when it time to take away.
Humans can not judge only God. Because we can not create a human nor can we return a life force.
He still has the power to restore life.
I'm pretty sure morals have been around much longer than the bible. And only some parts of the bible refer to morals.And these parts seem to be negated by the bloodthirsty tyranny of the OT. We're programmed to believe the bible is the base of morals
Kissandtells, Jesus/God stated he did Not Condemn. Jesus did not cast the first stone... Ever. So we are to do the same. All evil is a projection of the person and is Not of God. Joshua killed, but Not at the direction of God, so No covenant formed.
Getit who created the word morals ? Certainly not humans..
And as I and many notice people who leave it out are not very nice . we see traces of this on HP.
what "horrendous" acts were justified with scripture by a "preacher"?
Jim Jones for starters. How about persecution of gays and justification of slavery there's plenty of that to go around.
Jim Jones rejected the Bible and its teachings, he said God was not God at all. So no on that one. Also marriage was defined originally as a man and woman in 1250-1300 CE. So how can gays marry? & there are slaves in America? Where?
Dean, these self-proclaimed Biblical scholars show they R not even smart enough 2 read or pay attention. This is not limited to America, 1st of all. 2nd, they don't know about "slave" labor & sex "slave" cartels? Yeah, real smart creatures.
Well first of al the Bible doesn't say to have slaves now a days. So that would not be justified. Maybe some other religion I don't know about that. Oh Paula so the sex slave cartel get it from the Bible? Lolol.
Roob you totally misread my original posting. I mentioned those that manipulate biblical verses to fit their own belief. But in your addled mind you turned into something. Is that what they teach at Young Life these days?
Dean."roob,"will B gone soon.He'll B LUCKY if not sued 4 LIBEL He posts in threads:"so & so" is an atheist or dsn't believe in God.bcuz he ASSUMES.He did it 2 me & 2 Ralph.NEITHER of us R atheists & have made that clear! His mouth will do
Paula, I've dealt with him before. Just another troll looking for a fight. I'll let him be, because he's the type that will shoot himself in the foot.
Dean, I agree. Proposed, an edition of the Bible with a Header on each page renouncing violence. "I renounce war and fighting for any reason or under any pretense whatsoever." Quaker. The reader could compare the Heading to the text on each page.
I thought there was free speech? If you guys want to censor go ahead! The site could get sued for religious discrimination when someone is just stating their beliefs on an open forum. A troll comes makes claims and threats that don't pertain, like u!
Roob, cut the persecution complex BS. You had your chance to practice your 1st Amendment and abused it. Now others are expressing theirs that they don't care for your comments. There limitations to it, especially when you slandered or libeled others.
You said what I said is BS. Where have I slandered? And have you not? You brought it up. If you just want to complain about it no one cares!(: If you want to add to the discussion go ahead. I wasn't getting off topic like you & paula. Whiners!
Peruse my response, don't scan it. You troll and attack people, but cry foul when someone calls you out for it. Like I said: stop playing the victim. Nobody buys your act.
I am not a victim I am just tryna say, if you don't have anything to contribute to the actual TOPIC, then why are you even here? You were complaining about what I said. If you have a problem report it! But that input of urs is not relevant.
You poor diluted soul. You are responding to my POST and you were extremely off topic with your response.You took it to this point. You're bad a reverse psychology. Next time, think about what you want to say and read my responses properly.
I was respondin to the ? & out of nowhere u told paula that I am a troll. You can censor & whine all you want on this computer screen. But I guarantee real life isn't like that. Try and censor some1 on the streets... LOL u wouldn't last a day
Dean..LOL! Here we have an immature, uneducated KID still wet behind the ears, lecturing on "life." not even aware HE does not get 2 tell others how or Y to comment. BAD habit he'll need to break or pay the price. (copying his X-buddy) Pathetic.
Actually I don't just voice my opinion here on this computer, I've been to the ghetto and I am no stranger to the streets. Can you guys be urself there too? Or would you get jacked & beaten up with ur attitude?
And i work in the "Ghetto". SO What's that got to do with anything?
I would like to ask you a question? Have you ever sat down and tried to figure out how people think? In three days he rose from the grave, with power over death. Lazarus come forth. I will try to make a hubpage about this.
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