I'm going to argue that Communist societies, which were atheist, and did not allow religion, failed miserably and resulted in a big loss of lives. I'm also going to argue that EVIL is the reason why the world is the way it is. We could never agree on everything because we are all different. If we all looked exactly the same, someone would find SOMETHING to start a war over. Thoughts?
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And atheism is not directly related to communism. I don't know why religionists keep trying to equate the two things. But they do seem to have all sorts of misconceptions about atheism.
Misconception? Appears you are the one entertaining misconception. Are you saying communists like Stalin and Mao who committed mass murder of their own people weren't atheists? Communism implemented rules introducing state atheism.
Ah, the thing with that is is the misconception is that th mass murder was committed BECAUSE of Atheism. but the killing was due to their quest for absolute power, not because they were atheists. Eg: atheism is not the cause, but a coincidence
They also both had dark hair and the letter 'a' in their names. Are people with dark hair and the letter 'a' in their names more likely to be communists?
I never said atheism was the reason for their killing.Thanks for putting words in mymouth.But without belief in a higher power,a just God&eternal life after death in heaven or hell on what basis is there to say their murdering wasn't just?
Because people shouldn't need to be threatened with eternal hellfire to be motivated not kill other people. I question anyone's sanity whose only motivation for not killing people is "I don't want to go to hell."
That doesn't answer my question at all of which your characterization is totally inaccurate. Your position is they are justified to murder because they shouldn't be threatened with punishment? That's what you just said...NUTS
That's not what I said at all. No one is justified in murdering anyone, but the motivation for not killing people shouldn't come from being afraid of hell.
Why not? Is your unprovable, unfactual moral code better? Clearly you Believe killing is bad, but there is no empirical evidence that it is bad. Just ethereal notions of right and wrong.
Hard to get into morality in 250 characters. But external motivation (like being afraid of hell) isn't very effective long-term. It's superficial and if the internal motivation isn't there, it's not hard to overpower the fear of punishment.
And that's not what I said at all. If that isn't what you said then you haven't answered my question at all. So what is the point, you want to reply to me by not answering my question? Sounds like you just want to rant.
You said WITHOUT A GOD what basis is there that murdering people was unjust and I'm telling you that the basis comes from morality/internal motivation and doesn't HAVE TO and SHOULDN'T come from not wanting to piss God off. Are you following now?
So without God why is your morality any more justified than say Stalin's? If he has no respect for human rights why is that wrong, simply because it's not your morality? Who decides what is right or wrong. Why are you more just than him?
I don't think anyone decides what's right/wrong, I think it's human nature. If it's a decision made by someone (or God) then isn't it completely arbitrary?
You are right it is completely arbitrary if there is no God,the creator of you&the universe.He would't be a perfect God if he didn't judge right from wrong,sin from holiness,God is never arbitrary without him no one's right can be wrong.
So how did God decide it was wrong to kill people?
Jesus knew (fm begining) He'd have to come to reconcile us to Him for we love sin!
Gen 9:9-17 "not w/water" for our sins but w/"fire" (2 Pet 3:7)!
Anyone who impeded "His coming," was removed (u call it killed; I "HIS WILL") to fulfill WORD!
If u don't have the Holy Spirit, I'd advise u not to "test the spirits" or else it could happen to u (maybe has) as it did in Scripture (Acts 19:15)!!!
The Holy Spirit is nothing more then Voodoo non sense. The bible is non sense evil that teaches evil and lies and then claim itself to be good and accuse everything else not from it, as evil.
Yes, we know YOU are THE expert on evil, that much is painfully apparent.
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