This scripture appears two places in scripture, Corinthian and Ephesians. What do you believe it means to us. Eph 4:11-12 11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, NKJV
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you have nothing to say to Christians with your mix of false religion , gurus etc.
how do we hone these men given to us as servant ministries? this scripture has nothing to do with gifts given to an individual, it is about servants, men anointed by God & given to the true church to help bring it to maturity
great answer, they are ministries filled by SERVANT men anointed of God with one purpose and NEVER a position or title
Charlie: What about I Timothy 3:1-5 re: "Bishop"? And "deacons" (v813)?
yes- there are two "positions". Elder (bishop) & deacon. but not as in the churches. they are at overseers not bosses. they are to be SERVANT men serving the body in that city as a work of love,it is not a job but a position of servitud
N- order of value to church. church is established by apostles & prophets, who need guidance of prophets & then teachers etc are needed
The word deacon (diakoneo) simply means to serve. The words "OFFICE of overseer" was clearly an attempt to redefine what was once descriptive of loving service to a hierarchal office found in man-made "churches."
I Cor 12:28 "FIRST, SECOND, THIRD..." yet ONE SPIRIT (I Cor 12)! IT IS WRITTEN!
You guys are going to let your "PRIDE" overrule GOD"S WORD?
"Hypocrites" (Matthew 23)!!!
For I think that God has exhibited us apostles as LAST of all, like men sentenced to death, because we have become a spectacle to the world, to angels, and to men...and we labor, WORKING WITH OUR OWN HANDS. - 1 Corinthians 4:9-12
Yes "HUMBLE" yet set in CHURCH "1st, 2nd, 3rd...." Try running anything not decently & in order & see what happens! Even Christ, is Head; then (holy) husband then (holy) woman IF "in Christ yet "HUMBLE & ONE SPIRIT!
U know this!
What are u talking? Paul was "a vessel" through which JESUS spoke as HE did with The Prophets of Old! If you notice in I Cor 11:23 Paul "received of the Lord" which says JESUS spoke to him & told him what happened! Paul was not "just a man!"
n- i think you misunderstand what Michael said you need to be more careful and read to be sure you understand before replying.
i misunderstood til i read it the 3 time
"Obviously they - Paul and the ' 'christians' of his days didn't have written words of Jesus Christ (mainly gospels) to know and to follow His teaching/word."
I understood! He doesn't thk JESUS was speaking thru Paul! His last statement errs 2!
Norine, you are very gifted questioning your own misunderstanding , and blaming others for your problem. Even Charlie told you so. If you read and understand Paul's direct talking to each group's direct problem, fixing what was wrong -Jesus' would do
Norine W good for you if you know what you do know, but you are wrong telling me what I do believe/ think /know. Understand please if "christians" would be doers of Christ's' will Paul wouldn't write you poor,silly thoughtless senseless ; got it?
Norine W. Go and learn to reed what is written in the NT, Galatians 3::1 Amplified; and keep for yourself these unreasonable, unpolite , sarcastic names, what you are doing here on HP , is a disgrace to the humanity. May the YHWH be mercy to you.
That of your wisdom is enough for me N.W. You know so little of my belief, and you "Don't blvJer & Heb". Why don't you rather pray for yourself " that the eyes of ur hart be enlightened." Do at least something purposeful, please. Nice day !
noreen- I havehad enough of your foolishness. until you learn how to respond to people in a constructive manner you are no longer welcome
Thanks charlie, for your bold proclamation. It is important and necessary to protect the integrity and a high standard representing the Truth by those of us who live and share the Word of Life. .
Thanks Charlie for "DELETING THE WORD OF GOD!"
You will "stand before the judgment seat of Christ" with all of your "twisted" FRIENDS!
"UNCONSTRUCTIVE?" Is that what you think of WORD?
I Cor 10:21!
no norene I have N0 PROBLEM with the word of God. the problem is YOU and the way use scripture as a tool to beat people. I warned you repeatedly and gave you room & time to stop bringing confusion. YOU ATTACK instead of respond and that is w
Because "revelation" hasn't been given u yet (Peter re:circumcision) is no call for u to act UNCHRISTIAN. WORD given "search" to "see if these things r so!" DELETION shows no interest in GROWING as Scribes & Pharisees! JESUS presented diff as I
noreen- time to grow up your threats continue to show your immaturity. if you really understood scripture you would know making foolish threats with scripture is not right and only upsets folks. I do not want this on what I post , you are banned
You can "ban me" (Demonic spirit inside Charlie) but you will NEVER "ban" the WORD of GOD! IT will be told in ALL nations, then HE will return!
Pleasing "man" (FRIENDS) rather than GOD (STUDYING) will cause one to be "banned" from GOD!
there are NO titles or professions in the NT church. These are men, anointed by God and given to the church for the purpose of Eph 4:12-16 these are ministries of love from below by SERVANT MEN, not positions over anyone. there is NO CLERGY