Would humans be able to find inside a moral compass to guide them towards good?
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I always am interested in what you have to say. Oh make no mistake, I do not agree with everything you say but you make me think. And I thank you for that.
I think humans search for excuses. This is what God is,the biggest excuse ever for not having to take responsibility for w hat we do. And of course, because of fear of death - of what or does not exist after death.
The concept of a God would have to be invented even if there is no God. It is in our human nature to search for the "meaning of life".
Wars are thought to be linked to religion because there is religion now. But long ago men never lived in peace while he had no religion. Fighting and dominating others is human psyche. Religion is exploited for negative incentives.
Its useful :)
Religion is man made and many people don't understand God and his nature.. We should live by loving people simple as that
Jonny you seem to apply things to others and not hear your own words as
What people can and not do.what is not possible to you may be true
But very real with out a doubt to another.I Will never say what is not possible to anyone.
I constantly hear my own words; question them; check in the mirror; listen to your feed back. Do you do the same, K&T? Or are you 100% sure that your beliefs and faith are unquestionable? If not questionable, are they ever false?
You are so right. Religion also do a lot of good with various charities.
Again, if you put all wars related to religion on one side - and list wars for other reasons on the other; which list is longer? Most every 'purge' is at least partially religion based - including Stalin's. 'The Church' is how the US got so twisted.
Which list is longer doesn't really matter... It's about being dogmatic, saying my idea is the truth or people should live this way or that way. People probably killed more people in name of some dogmatic 'good' or utopia (religious and not).
During communism in USSR, great science & sacred geometry reigned. People were killed in industrial quantities to assure the plans of the state leaders realizes. Similar to world wars, cold war with no religion involved gave humanity great progre
Those who oppose governance by religion/religious texts do not necessarily support atheistic states that rule by oppression. Most desire scientific and social progress in the context of freedom. Culture, art and science can thrive without religion.
Chris notice why all the pain and suffering ! Reference Bible Joh 14:30 I shall not speak much with YOU anymore, for the ruler of the world is coming. And he has no hold on me,
Jesus himself says the ruler of this world is satan.
Religion isn't a necessary condition for order education is. We are not more civil because we are religious people. However, we can be more peaceful when we have exercised our ability to access reason.
I agree with you. I think that the same type of people who want absolute power in politics try to achieve such through religion, and then use a certain set of religious philosophy into a cult for their own glorification and power.
Jonny are you Jonny ? Do you have to question that.
Do I have to question that.
Are you 100% Jonny.
I sure you do not doubt who you are .
Neither do I doubt what I believe and know I can live with that
and lay down my life for the truth.
And have wars,too. It need not be for faith, but for expansion, for having a bigger empire, getting slaves, etc.
I just read it and I agree with you for the most part. However, religion is not used as a crutch. That was the believe of Karl Marx if I recall correctly. Religion to many around the world is a belief in a higher power that can oversee our world.
Many people have called it a crutch - its actually a prison. Religions disconnect us from our direct connection with God. They instill a sense of inferiority, vulnerability, condemnation, judgment, etc. They convince people that they were born 'bad'.
Jack Lee, does the belief create that power? If so, then without that belief there can be no power.
Without religion there would have been no culture or "human world" at all simply because all art,science, philosophy, theatre and law evolved out of religion.
It's like saying what would the chicken be like without dinosaurs. Answer= no chickens.
Nice view on the education & science. More would go into the proper departments of human powers such as science & raising younger generation to advance our existence.
Some things never change.
Chris Mills your comment is very personal but not true at all.
If that was the case no life of humans would exist .we would not have this conversation.
I share this planet with you and countless others I see the same things you say But not the case
Couple money with religion and you get megachurches. Big, big con jobs - control the minds of people with ulterior motives.
Alan, you just made me wonder: What would be the harm if the minds of people were controlled to be happy and joyous? I am not saying they are, but what if?
Exactly Alan! The two biggest manipulation tools in the game.
Jonny when you come on and say people are animals are you conveting? When you say it your imagination , are you converting. You can not convert a person who has to chose for themselves. You can tell them your experience but it's not for Everyone.
Kiss & Tales, you are free to state your opinions and express your beliefs. Have I not said this many times before? I claim the same rights. To state an opinion is not trying to "convert," just asking for respect for my views. Yes, human=anim
Eric, sorry missed your comment. Personally the greatest sense of stress comes when I feel controlled or trapped. An animal instinct I suspect.
Well Jonny I want to believe you are fair in your statement .
But it is hard to believe if you do not respect my opinion and call it imaginary.OR Make Offensive Comments tell your God to do something.
You see you ask for respect but you do not give
K&T, it is not disrespectful to disagree. It is not necessary for either to agree with the other. It IS disrespectful to always insist that your beliefs are the ONLY right ones. Because there you are using imagination over facts. IMHO !
Count yourself as that defition, because you repeatedly say God is in peoples imagination. Do you want me to count how many times said by you.
Also I know the difference in a question then direct statement , you dont?
I am sorry you cannot bring your mind to think objectively, K&T. When your god cannot be seen, or heard, or smelled, or tasted, or touched, how else can your mind contemplate your god except by imagination? Imagine - ation.
You see Jonny you are very correct about this fact. You can not do any of these things for me , eat, smell, see, and others this is my God based on my own experience not yours .
Because you are not me.
Ok. So, at last, you can see that your way of seeing it, from your own experience, cannot be applied to me or anyone else. Can you now, fully and respectfully allow that the views of others, even atheists, are equally valid?
K&T uses 'right to free thought' to justify profound, manipulated beliefs; while Norine simply bashes us all over the head with bible verses - both 'reasonings' are harmful weapons against logical thought and spiritual truths they were MEANT to m
That is a very good answer.
Religions have been the main cause of most wars since wars started. They have wiped out entire groups of people - for instance, the original Christians became extince b4 the empire hijacked their holy man for state religious control. Research.
Really we are just ignoring Alexander and Khan and the Mongrels and WW1 and 2? We are just leaving out Cleopatra and Helen? We are ignoring Hannibal. And the great Roman Empires pre Christian? We are leaving out Race based wars and wars by communists
Which list is much longer? Yes, the great roman empire that eliminated many religions and imposed their own culture and religions onto people. You don't think religious perceptions had anything to do with WWI & WWII - or any 'race war'?
I think we should make a distinction between wars by evil men who just used religion as a pretext and those that were fought in fact for God. ISIS uses religion as a promotional tool to recruit and try to justify. It is really not a Holy war.
I was just reading the 'official' stats which state that religions have caused only 7ish% of wars - however, religions are almost always 'indirectly' involved, such as the way ISIS uses Islam. Religious beliefs are dogmatic. Spirituality is inclusive
So does not mean religion is to blame for all the evil that men do? That is a no win argument. I think we need to separate religion from church. Religion is an ideology, church is a man made structure to propagate religion.
You don't think that a 'general spirituality' is enough religion for the world? There are still many variables to debate for people who love to do that. Btw, it is a fact that we have been losing our religions - down considerably since 50 years ago.
Catherine I think that your concept is valid. This concept of dogmatic, unyielding fanatic following a religion is bad stuff. So easy for a charismatic type to use it as propaganda and justification for evil. Spirituality is where it is at.
You could make same argument about all ideology. You just have to create in vs out group. You can do it by using your religion, your political system, by being anti-religious, race, color, have's vs have nots etc.
Re: the war/religion link, I think we should separate the concepts of Primary Cause vs Motivator of Soldiers. In many wars, I think religion was really a motivator of forces. Power/money have always been primary.
Very nice breakdown Chris. It is an enlightened way of looking at it.
I read that and it was very interesting.
I thought if answered the Q then it was OK to link in answer!
I was given a temporary 2 day ban for appending my hub a while ago. I learned my lesson.
Also misfit what law do you live by as worthy or unworthy sinners?
Who makes that judgement on another human who also is sinful ? Surly not another sinful human.
K&T, you have thus made a judgment that humans are sinners. More double talk!
Some people feel its right to kill other people just because they do not like them. Because you feel something does not mean it is right. And certainly your right is different from another. They feel theirs is not taking life.
Humans can not Govern
I agree for most part. I don't agree that examining life leads to a God conclusion (for all). You don't like dogma/ doctrine I agree, many people don't. Judging via belief is a serious issue. Believing so and so is on the 'good' side ...
Johnny you can be that definition But I am far more advance then any animal in a cage.They need humans to care for them .So we are not on their level.Their intelligence is good but mans is far more superior.
No human goes and ask a ape his history
If you did, the ape would probably have much more accurate history about themselves than humans do. Christians believe they are 'all that' more than animals - and yet, they are 'unworthy sinners' who don't deserve squat w/o a god saving them.
That God is the life force to all living things even the people who do not believe in him. Yet he feeds and supplies all with life sustaining means.
Not one human can do that. And as you said if the ape could do ! We are talking what he can not do.
K&T, "he feeds and supplies all with life sustaining means." No, he does not. 1998-2004, Democratic Republic of the Congo. Death toll due to starvation and disease....3.8 million. Just one example.
An animal held captivity in a cage by humans might have good reason to question the intelligence of those humans, and rightly so. In the wild, that animal possesses all the intelligence it needs for survival. If not it dies. So will we.
If religion is the source of moral understanding, how could you comprise such a long list of moral negatives for America which is the capital of Evangelicalism? How would America be morally different w/o religion? Sincere question.
Yeah, I see religion as the necessary precursor to philosophical progress. You start with an unexplained natural event, you question it, ascribe a religious meaning to it, and then question the religious answer. Progress.
Humans created religion just like we created art, science, law and philosophy. We would still have had all those things without religion. They developed alongside religion rather than coming from religion.
History is well recorded and it shows art, science, culture etc are a direct result of spiritual/religious thought. It is only in the last few years that certain people with political agendas have tried to now remove religion from the equation
Can you present the proof of your statement please. Pythagoras from ancient Greece was not aware of religion he was a great mathematician & I recall seeing him in artworks of great sculptors. They had ancient gods like Zeus with super powers.
@Pom .....and today we have je-zeus, also apparently possessing super powers.
@ Alan. Well "Jesus" is the miracle performing prophet of his religion. That's about it. I don't have him. I do know of awesome people in science & today's results in chemistry, astronomy & other sciences. Info is available trough awesome in
Welcome to HubPages, Mikhail. You have some refreshing new trends of thinking here.
Christianity forced compliance of scientists with religion through the Dark Ages. Renaissance and Enlightenment came when men sought truth by observation not scripture. Secular science is true because it works. Christianity produces no useful science
@Alan. Thank you.
Very interesting analogy.
People want law and order but they think that man will fairly empower the subject. Man can be bias under many subjects and yet God loves us all no matter what we are in race or nationality. He can give us exactly what we need in Government and peace.
I like your comment. You made some good points, but I disagree regarding respect for each other.
We don't need to be told by religious books, and men in power, to respect each other and treat each other nicely. We do that anyway.
I appreciate your comment Niko it is so true people believe in something even if its not a God of Heaven .And the earth condition reflects none believers as believers.
I have yet to meet a polite impressive
Atheist in conversations here on HP.
Hahah, that is most likely because atheist confront oppressive, presumptuous "believers." In a discussion with a person who is atheist, do you allow the possibility your own point of view can be questionable?
I definitely agree that the world wouldn't necessarily be better off without religion. I don't know what would happen. I expanded and theorized a bit about it after reading some of this thread https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/The-World...
You see Johnny thats what I see and hear , many are attacked for believing in a wonderful hope arranged by God.
Atheists wants you to believe in a hope of what ? What and they get ugly with you if you do not agree with them. Which is a big turn off
What divine order in the world? Please explain as surely there has never been any? If there was divine order in the world surely it wouldn't be in such a mess?
Stella can you imagine a child without a parent ? As an example what we see and experience in the world is another side another view of a powerful Angelic Creature who tries to prove he can rule the world but has failed.
You are right .
The idea of religion is misunderstood. There would be divine order if people would follow the religion that aligns with the Word of the Bible.
Like christians have all the right answers about all of us "others" in the world. We have heard it all before. Believe if you wish, but don't presume that others are wrong in not believing.
A friend on FB recently told us her husband had died and about related financial hardships. Christians posted that they would pray for God to provide. I set up an online account and we raised a little money. Praying and not doing is just wrong.
Chris what you see is the earth under human control by satan. He is the ruler of this world.
God has a time to end his rulership steps away.
Now we know what bad looks like ,we will also know what life is suppose to be like under Jesus rulership.
This is the reason why religions are dying and spirituality (including atheism) is on the rise: bcuz that fairytale is bs and 'believers' are collectively starting to realize it. My long hub on this topic rates a 91 most days. 'Salvation' is bogus.
That's good for you misfit but you can not speak for every human. So I think it's pretty bogas to assume a lot of people think like you. years ago people existed before you and me both and they had to determin their own choice.
K&T, just read that last post of yours, please. See if it could possibly refer to yourself. "You cannot speak for every human." So, apply that to your beliefs. Intelligence is being able to consider every other possibility and keep the mind
Why would anyone want to believe lies? Bcuz you're too afraid to look and discover the truth. I've got 'salvation' ripped to shreds with theology & logic but you can't do the research for yourself - Christians don't realize how they harm the worl
K&T Therein lies my main problem with Christianity. God ended "his rulership steps away." Just like he told us NOT to do in the parable of the Good Samaritan. He stepped/turned away from hungry, sick, poor. They die because he turned his back.
ChrisM let's address your claims.
Does the earth still grow food?
Provide the sun for heat and light
The moon keeps the planet stable on course not wobbling in space.
Is there enough land to build homes ?
No back has turned
Actually, K&T, the earth does wobble through space. haha. Have you ever heard of drought, famine, pestilence, earthquakes, violent storms? Does the earth still give water? No, not always. Provide food? No, not always.
There are some that think that we are not supposed to question or think in an investigative manner if we are "real" Christians. Seems to me that advice to genocidal maniacs 2000 years ago might be different than that given to a peace lover now.
To answer your question.
-Yes. Math & sciences such as chemistry, physics, biology would be present without religion. Philosophy & architecture also.
If you are fantasizing about killing people, I'm glad your religion stops you, but you should seek mental health care anyway. The desire to murder people is not healthy even if you think your religion prevents you from acting on your urges.
Did you miss history class: all the wars and MASSES of people who have been killed by Christianity - for being black, gay or atheist, etc. It is amazing how many Christians see their religion as innocent and a non-contributor to world conflict &
Chris do you deny this ? Like bad tenants they trash the place and blame him for the condition.says he does not fix the problems when they caused them. No your statement is not true.
ChrisM.Who is in charge of donated food and resources to feed hungry people with the supplies grown? Man!
Many things humans are doing to humans.there is store houses of rationed by greed or not given to the hungry.
When will people see human error
Writerjay, you sound like a wonderful mum. I can fully respect your connection with and need for beliefs in your God. I don't have or need such beliefs. My life is no less "good" than yours, so no need for you to be concerned me. Just love.
I agree for the most part except the part that claim Religion has out live its usefulness. If anything, our world is in trouble of late because we as a society have drifted away from religion. There will come a time when the world will realize that..
What are they fighting about? Nothing is different. This is the reason why religions are evolving into a more generalized and accepting spirituality. Religions LIE for control - people are naturally born good. The moral part of this question is moot
Religion is the way one generation impart knowledge and faith and spirituality to the next. Without it, you see what is happening in our country and in Europe. The decline of religion is correlated with the decline in morals of society.
I've been around - used to be a diehard Christian. I know the spiel - the lies and propaganda always continue; along with the new that is also in the process of developing as the old stuff is fading. Its okay - everything is unfolding perfectly.
@Jack Lee what do you mean with decline of morals?
Catherine, belief in Christ involves making a conscious choice to follow him - to become a disciple; and the need for Christ is the need for a savior, one to save us from our sin nature, if we're willing to be saved from it.
We do not need to be told to be good, it is our natural state of being. Things like making people believe that they are 'unworthy' - along with bullying, abuse, mistreatment, economic depression, etc. - are the things that create human monsters.
Catherine I disagree there are many people who confuse right and wrong.
Some people think it is right to steal just because they are hungry or kill because you do not think like them. The world is filled with prisons of people who said it was right
"We humans have wonderful imaginations...." yes, especially when it comes to beliefs and superstitions! A god; a saviour; a devil; sin; spirit; superiority.....We are animals with enhanced brains. Nothing more.
You're both wrong, and that is why our world is in chaos - too many completely opposing beliefs that are sure they are right. Is it any wonder why there are wars? Being right is a matter of perspective, K&T - why would anyone steal?
K&T your suggestion sure sounds like nurture rather than nature. That "like father like son" concept comes into mind. Generations of hate - taught. If it is a good religion it can break the cycle of sickness, little else can.
Remember Promise Keepers? Christian men's movement. I went to the Detroit gathering, 80,000 men in one stadium. We were reprimanded from the platform. Detroit hotels were doing record breaking business on porn movies. Does religion make a difference?
Ever notice the lack of spiritual integrity in Christian churches - how rampant 'sin' has been within them throughout history? Its cuz it is easy to keep sinful secrets - since you can ask for forgiveness and move on after each KNOWING god forgave.
Catherine why did Martha Stewart ? Why do people kill others ? They did it it was right to them.
Catherine, Pro-life church. I was a member. My late wife was a close friend of daughter of church staff member. The friend's 1st child born with defect. Father/church staff, offered to pay for abortion for 2nd child. Does religion make a difference?
Eric I am a little confuse of your reply ? But I do not believe we can determine if you are a good religion.Because there are a vast number of religions we can not know them all. But the bible is the map of truth. It can decipher the genuine one out
Most every terrorist attack no matter where it has been has had at least 1 religious fanatic behind it - not exclusive to Islam. People who steal kill & destroy have been pre-affected by others who raise them to believe they were sinners b4 they
Misfit I do agree with you about conduct in so called churches of God.
They are counterfeit .they really have no value to their claim. God has already judge them as lawless. So just like money people can be fooled into thinking its right .no value
The salvation story has created a huge inferiority complex among Christians - WHILE they also believe that everyone else is even LESS than they are if they don't believe the same. The Salvation story is a HUGE lie that has been thoroughly debunked.
Catherine, judging from the rest of your comment, I'm guessing you meant Creation story, not Salvation story.
Nope, I've debunked the salvation story. "Even the most heinous crimes against humanity—against ourselves—can be ascribed to God’s will." Easy list at Listverse on why religions should get gone: tinyurl.com/a3pmuuf
If a person has to steal food when desparately hungry, a Christ-centered Christian would give them food, not make judgment and throw them in prison. Trying to please "God" while kicking your neighbour in the a..s ? Is that love?
Catherine, sorry about the misunderstanding. :) Looking back, your comment is perfectly clear. My head must not have been.
ChrisMills the world is in bad shape, not because God turn his back on humans ! It was because Adam listen to satan with his free will and cut our life line off as offsprings
But God did rescued the problem for us not turn his back.
We are adopted
I think you've pegged why so many people hate religions - since they are 'the way of living in this world' for so many people; and the world is the way it is because of them - justified resentment. Breathing & goals are possible without religions
People already are living their life with out religion but they share the same problems that people who have religion.
Problem not solved
Example marriage is a title ,would it be valid to say do not get married !
Marriage works for people , .
Marriage and religion are two entirely different things: the world is not 'the way it is' because of marriages. At least, we can't isolate any reasons from the concept of marriage that we can point to that says - having a spouse screws the world up.
Why not do something real rather than just hoping God will help you? I also have no idea why you think atheists replace God with pills and drugs but it's a foul stereotype to be spreading. Doesn't your Bible say something about bearing false witness?
Well I think Newmin.Has a point and I do not think that this applies as bearing false witness.
He could know a case we do not know personally.
Next who got us all in this bad condition? humans.
And they do not know how to get us out of
Actually, you CAN have a general spirituality and not be into religion - which means you could still talk to God if you wanted. Believing that we can't solve our own problems is a cop out to try. Doing away with religions would be a good start.
Anyone who does any praying to anyone or anything only does so to something in and of their imagination.
Thus any God is as good as any other God... And not worth arguing about, really. Each to their own.
Its a WAR over people's MINDS. Christianity teaches KIDS that they are inferior, unworthy sinners who need to rely on a god to 'save' them from an eternal, evil fate that DOES NOT EXIST except in their minds. People ask these questions for a reason.
Jonny in your mind this is real to you
But we all are different in experiences .
You never had a baby ! And it's not an imaginary but real .just because you can not experience birth does not make it imaginary or in the mind.It's not your experience.
K&T, in your mind is all that you believe. That's ok. It's real for you. But you will NOT allow that it's ok for others to be different. You are perpetually trying to convert. Can't you see yourself in the mirror?
So, K&T, do you also believe most atheists take drugs and pills to replace God? You truly don't understand why it's offensive to call an entire group of people drug abusers and to additionally claim they are because they don't share your religion
Kyly. I think you are the one bearing false witness now in your statement .where did I say I believe all atheist are drug dealers and take pills to replace god. YOU WILL NOT Find I Said Such A thing!
I do not know most Atehist. But do you know all
Then what did you mean by your statement that "Newmin.Has a point and I do not think that this applies as bearing false witness." if you don't agree with him or believe that what he said is true? Asking you a question isn't bearing false witness.
Yeah, K&T is as right as Norine - except everything is also about freedom to think like slavemasters teach. "I can love the obvious lies about my savior that we have been force fed for centuries if I WANT to! YOU can't take my freedom! SICK world
My statement was not a total agreeing I said he had a point. The point I agreed to was who would people pray to.
Certainly man is not an option and has caused problems I do not agree about drugs and pills anybody can do that not just atheist.
Misfit It's an opinion of yours who is brain washed. It's your opinion that you believe people are force fed lies .it's your opinion verbally forced on othersThat's what you want to believe good for you. And others will believe what's good for them
Respectful to women? What horse shit. http://cdn.iraqinews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/1...
So because one Muslim is in a picture holding a woman's head, the whole religion hates women? Wow. Basic common sense states that all straight men don't hate all gay men because of the attack last week. But you must believe other wise?
Cfin People learn by example and experience . If I go to a store and have a bad experience I will not forget it. If I go to the same store in another state and have a bad experience .it may be very evident that something is wrong
I will avoid store
ISIS brought back sex slaves per the Koran and Mohammed's example. Many Muslim nations jail rape victims. That is not respectful of women.
it is a common mistake to stereotype religion as "we see it" and then try to replace it with nihilism (anarchy). Nihilism's history is about 1000% worse than religion. Anarchic social events have lasted a few months then self destruct.
Brilliant? I mean this is amazing...amazing that anyone can understand what thishumilty is saying
Brilliant that he/she understands the silly obsession with believing in a heaven or hell after we are dead. This person understands that here and now on this physical earth is where we experience all. Nothing else matters. IMHO
Thank you for your comment. I can go along with your opinion, humanity's needs are deeper than any argument.
Very good point and I do agree to a point. However, looking at remote tribes of people with no recognizable religion makes me wonder. Is it just organized religion or any spirituality that we are thinking of removing? Can you remove spirituality?
So then how would one be able to identify evil in this world if it was all a matter of conscience? My conscience may allow me to do something youdeem to be horrible. In that scenario it comes down to who has more power to impress their will.
Misfit if you keep attacking people with your own personal opinions , you are a dictator saying you are the only one right and nobody has no right accept yours .Wrong !
Man is too greedy to live in peace. Man has never enough he always wants more. That's what causes War!!
Yes, but God has also given Man a conscience. Our society works because most people have a conscience and they choose to do good despite of our selfish tendencies.
Major reason religious people are deeply disturbing to me. One who cannot conduct themselves with decency without threat eternal damnation, etc. is not anyone I'd like to know. Secular morality, meanwhile, is alive and well in many of us.
Shannon, you have a shallow view of religion and religious people. Do you think the world would be what it is today without the influnce of religion? I am talking about all the good part...yes there were some bad as well but on balance, its not close
True ! So we would have to admit that rules and laws and morals play and important part of peace among one another.
Example as soon as people disagree with Goverment , issues of local law not being enforced people protests ,they even do vandalism .
And man makes god in his or her mind. That god then makes the rules to satisfy man's desire to control. Thus man has the reason/excuse to fight for right. No other god but man. Man-ipulative.
"Without faith the suicide rate in the world will be dramatically increased." Completely untrue - if we all knew the eternal, creative beings that we really are; we would not be killing ourselves to find peace. Religions create separation from God.
"Religion is a sign of peace and provide guidelines for the smoothness of human life." How can you say this when it encourages people to have fear, make judgment and inflict punishment, all on behalf of a tyrant "God?"
Seems that happens and kills more if religion is involved. Crusades, the current unrest in Syria, the previous unrest in Northern Ireland. Hundreds of thousands killed - in wars based on religion.
So, I disagree - BUT not saying religion causes war
But if you look at history, more people have died under secular dictators such as Mao and Stalin and Pol Pot and numerous others.
We must be careful when connecting religion to atrocities. I think we can find plenty of examples where really bad men have used religion without faith in order to gain power. Misuse of religion is a terrible thing indeed.
Hitler is another - religious, quoted God in speeches. But I'm still not saying it's religion causing war, just some use it too.
However, secular dictators - kill 4 power, not in the name of atheism/secularism. differnt 2 current wa
Agee with Eric
Sign me up.
Don't forget the drugs. Lots and lots of drugs, gangs, social diseases etc. That's the life eh? Eh??
Would those things exist in the absence of religion?
@Chris Mills. Thanks
@Oztinato. It seems that I can't comprehend your comment. There would be more than just math, nutrition, food chemistry & other sciences would assure the healthy humanity. Everything would be awesomely organized thanks to mat
Chris my question to you in reply are you responsible for not feeding and supplying these people you list what they need ? Are you at fault as their fellow humans
Humans are just like animals. The majority of primates that exist in today's world still have camaraderie. They attack when their territory has been threatened. Not because they are without culture or ethics. Empathy without fear of consequence.
Yes, although I would add (and I personally endorse) the famous observation by Russian writer Fyodor Dostoyevsky: "If God does not exist, then everything is permitted".
Chris what ever you see now was not a problem before.
Bad tenants of the earth. Man has messed up the ozone , polluted the water, trashes the earth with chemicals , famine is because man hold back from others what the earth abundance produces.
Welcome to HubPages, Tina.
There can, of course, only be one "unique." Either it is or it isn't.
Alan I get your point in response to the proposition. And truly there is only one that can be considered unique. But you can put a bunch of uniques together and there are multiples.
Very true Eric.
China and Russia were both atheist and had their own cold war, when Russia was communist. Cambodia's atheist communist regime killed a third of the population. No, atheism doesn't mean peaceful.
Not all religionist, atheist, communists are aggressive. Depends who confronts them. Not all are peaceful .... just some and some. Yet if a religionist insists they are right, why would I be peaceful?
the world is already unique...and everyday it turns itself to more uniqueness...but not to that side of good. as Tamara puts it (atheism does not mean peace rather it has different meaning to different people). maybe we can ask ourselves why we fight
Before existed organized religion people around the world practice one form of spirituality or another.
The world was find and perhaps more peaceful, than come pagan religion, misinterpretation of religious texts and all sort of punishments.
I think that is wishful thinking.
Religion is more - religio (Latin) means relation to the "good" and against the "bad or damaging".
we are animals. these organized things and systems keeps us at bay. our instinctive moral compass is not yet that perfectly aligned for the ultimate goal of humanity.
Collins I respect your right to believe what you wish .But mine is we are not animals. Our DNA make up says so.
We do not function by instinct .animals do. Our IQ levels are not equal to animals. Adam named the a animals.
Animals live in zoos.
kiss and tales..that made me smile...your right we are not animals..can i call a spade a big spoon...depends on perspective...open for debate if i may say...but ur right mr DNA says it all..
true. i must admit i do base my logic and philosophy on that.
Chris the earth has plenty enough food sources , water , the earth is constantly supplying what humans need .No God is not the fault of bad human management of his gifts to all humans. Greedy people store items sent to feed many and they never get
Believe what you want to believe. You design the "God," the "Jesus," the "Allah," the idol, the lord, the saviour, in you own mind. That design serves what you feel is your need. Man-made. Personal. Unsellable. Period.