I don't think this dilemma has been fully explained or explored. All evolution scientists and biologists, please explain...
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My personal opinion, this delemma can be easily avoided if you allow for the possibility of a super natural creation or an Intelligent design. We have made great progress in genetics and DNA analysis. The original chicken was created in a test tube.
There is no dilemma here when we're talking about evolution.
OK, can evolution theory explain it so that I can understand how this come about, with all our understanding of DNA and reproduction...?
I already answered this question. There is no point in the evolution of the chicken that you can point to and say the egg or chicken came first, the question itself does not make sense in terms of evolution.
Jack Lee, would you think molecular changes taking place in a primordial soup of sulphuric compounds, in temperatures much higher than ours, to be the workings of a super natural designer?
No, I don't think an intelligent designer would take that path. He would start out with the finished product.
There is no finished product in evolution, that's why the "dilemma" isn't actually a dilemma at all. There is no point at which a non-chicken laid a chicken egg or vice versa. Evolution doesn't have hard/solid lines like that.
Jack, don't you see the beauty of creation in evolution of species?
I see the beauty of all God's creations, all the variety of animals and plant. In some cases, attributes that are not beneficial to the survival and yet they exist. For evolution theory proponents, these are hard to explain away...
You do not see the wisdom of the concepts introduced by monk Gregor Mendel and Linnaeus introduced many years before Darwin?
You cannot accept any version of Theistic Evolution?
Perhaps you are not understanding my question. Only 250 char. to reply. In order for the egg to happen, many genetic changes are necessary. How does a pre-chicken animal mate and develop the egg in one swoop? How did this pre-chicken reproduce before
Clearly I said gradually as is the course of evolution. I did not say in "one swoop".
True, but practically, how do you imagine a reproductive system evolve from one form to an egg system? Slowly... That is the problem with evolution. Somethings require too many changes to be effective which statistically will be astonomical to work.
Yes Jack you have a great point. That is why I agree to an extent evolution. But it has to happen through something extraordinary. Something that is Godlike.
I can listen to all of these points and opinions, not agreeing/disagreeing necessarily with either. But I always come back to a sense of awe and admiration... this keeps my mind in the realm of sanity!
Indeed Alan indeed.
So, if God is above the clouds, did "he" invent wings?
I totally disagree with that assessment of humanity. I challenge you to come up with a better design of a creature with our intellect, our mobility, our dexterity and our diversity and our curiosity...
Give it a shot...
You only disagreed with humans, but the world and the universe are not mentioned by you to contradict my statements on them.
Humans pale in comparison to the physical abilities of most other creatures. I don't have enough characters left.
If you delve into the beautifully integrated cycles of life and geology on this planet, then you will see that, over time, everything and every process results in the production of "life."
You will also see the death and destruction.
Bradmaster, I wrote a hub on the perfect human you might want to check it out. As you say, there are not enough space here to discuss fully. My point is, if you were God, you would have a hard time coming up with a better package than humans.
Jack, a human being is hardly a good example of a "perfect" creation. Study anatomy and you will see how the body has adapted and changed over time. Examples include the appendix, eye, brain, and tailbone, just to name a few!