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Does anyone else feel that organized religion is built on a foundation of making you feel guilty?


I feel that in order for an organized religion to run successfully it must be predicated on the fact that you must feel guilty on a number of levels. Guilty if you: 1. Aren't coming to church. 2. Don't tithe. 3. Don't do everything your minister tells you to do. 4. You are a sinner if you differ on one thought from what you are told the scriptures mean. Everything is done to make you feel good about serving "the Lord" i.e. "the church." Big difference between having faith and religion

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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    "The FEAR of the LORD is the BEGINNING OF WISDOM" (Prov 9:10)! Satan has decv'd to make man "thk" ALL LOVE! Once "IN CHRIST" - ALL "LIBERTY!"

    Don't u have consequences for your kids? Is HE not our Father?


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    "Guilt doesn't have a place in true spirituality." Amen!


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    Charlie LeSueur 19 months ago

    Blind obedience to church leaders using God's word to hide their own agenda is problematic. The Bible is the word of God so much as it has been interpreted correctly. The phrase, "Obey your leaders and submit to them," allows much leeway for abuse.


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    Sarah Andrews 18 months ago

    I think you've focused on one particular religion, instead of religion as a whole. What you're saying isn't absolutely wrong or right, but it is an extreme end of the spectrum of religion; this is religion at its worst. I respect your opinion though.


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18 months ago
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    Charlie LeSueur 18 months ago

    It seems like too many people confuse a belief in God or the Bible with a religion. I never asked does believing in the Bible make you feel guilty. Faith & religion? Two different things. Have you found your thinking cap yet?


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    II Kings 17:29-41!


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    Ever heard of "FAITH?" Ever heard of the "POWER" of the Holy Spirit? If not a believer doesn't mean anything, but if u are, that's ALL one needs!


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    The problem is "Organized Religion" & those too LAZY to "STUDY" for themselves! As lost sheep being lead to slaughter, they continue to "Amen" men & not search for TRUTH IN HIS WORD for themselves!

    FOOLS!


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    Charlie LeSueur 19 months ago

    Pastors or church leaders put their own spin the scriptures. Oft times obeying your leaders and submitting to them is not the same as following the scriptures, but following what has been used for their own indoctrination. Warren Jeffs comes to mind.


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    U didn't give WORD re: Tithing under New Covenant! I Cor 16:1 "as GOD has purposed him;" II Cor 9:6-7 "Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, let him give, not grudgingly, OR OF NECESSITY: for GOD loves a cheerful giver!" WE NEED TO KNOW


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    Norine Williams 19 months ago

    They backslide because of "POWERLESS" RELIGION! Some "go to church" for 50yrs+ & still NOTHING! I'd lose "faith" too! RELIGION has not "taught" TRUTH!

    Jesus said "Greater thgs than these shall we do" (Jn 14:12) but don't know how-no one "taught"


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    Your "church" MUST teach "The Gospel of Christ" which is "AFTER THE CROSS" or you all are "leading sheep astray" (Jer 23:1)!

    Have u been baptized according to how the disciples were AFTER the establishment of the FIRST CHURCH (Acts 2:38)?


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    "We still believe in God." What god? Do u mean u blv in a "Supreme Being?" To BELIEVE IN GOD means to blv "ALL" of HIS (RIGHTLY DIVIDED) WORD & HE IS JEALOUS so u can't blv there r K'S of highways to get to the CREATOR (2Kgs17:29-41)!


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    Charlie LeSueur 19 months ago

    Tamara, I like the way you put it. I guess we all want to believe in something, even Atheism is a belief. Unfortunately, foundations of guilt can come from people of other faiths who try to make us feel guilty. so it can come from within & witho


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    Holy Spirit "convicts!" One KNOWS when AGAINST WORD (If STUDIED) & IF love GOD HS "convicts" & one RUNS to HIM, REPENTING! World calls "guilty conscience" Disciples call "Holy Spirit Conviction!"

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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    Why do we discuss this? The Holy Spirit tells one when something isn't right unless we didn't "WAIT" (Acts 1:4)!


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    Let the SPIRIT "lead" you is my motto for HIS WORD said HE WOULD (Jn 14:26;16:13)! When "Christians" start BELIEVING what HE'S SAID, they won't worry about trivia!

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    Norine Williams 17 months ago

    NO ONE should "prove themselves!" Who are we? II Tim 3:16 says we should "prove" w/the WORD of GOD what HE SAID & "not suffer sin upon" ANYONE (Lev 19:17)!

    Jm 1:27 has NOTHING to do with SPIRITUAL thgs! GOD'S def of Religion is CARNAL!

    Jn4:23-2

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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    I love the term you used - "action-based!" It stands TRUE to Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by GRACE r ye saved THRU "FAITH;" & that NOT OF OURSELVES ("action-based"): it is the "GIFT" of GOD. Not of WORKS ("action-based") lest any man should boast. Amen


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    If you believe "We are all on different highways to the same GOD," READ II Kings 17:29-41!

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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    Amen!


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    IT sure doesn't "tell you nothing personally" when you don't have CHRIST "residing in you!"

    Those w/o see CHRIST as "a mind trap, a meme, a virus, & "thk" carriers feel they have to pass it on" because "it's in the book!"


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    Kiss andTales 18 months ago

    I love your answer a thumbs up from me. I totally agree with you. I have only tried to do the same thing in that respect. When saying we do not worship religion. We worship God The Father. It seems people want to attack you for that.

    Jesus said so


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    Charlie LeSueur 18 months ago

    Yes, but no one has explained in a satisfactory way how to segregate "true" religion from others. Especially when it seems that the purpose of many mainstream "religions" is to bash competition. Satan's always there confusing scripture understanding.


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    READ Romans 1:18-20!

    "Strive to do good?" HOLY SPIRIT "leads & guides into ALL truth!"

    Righteousness too!

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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    Who told u this? "The Father of JESUS?" I Tim 3:16=manifested HIMSELF! WORD "should" make the person feel guilty if not doing (Isaiah 28:13)! "No one should judge" w/WORD (I Pet 4:17)? "What a person does...?" What about Isaiah 59:8?


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    Kiss andTales 18 months ago

    I want to say your list is very valid

    Yes religion has become a tool to rob people.First does God recieve this money no! He made the gold and silver

    So we have to not let people behind the name decieve you.

    God gives the truth free. Man charges


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    Kiss andTales 18 months ago

    I agree with you here. But really people are allowing them self to be fooled , because what ever they may feel guilty about the religion says you can pay to remove it. Just pass the buck here.

    Sad because they still don't have the right channel.


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    Norine Williams 17 months ago

    What do u thk the intent of the 10 Commandments was? To show us sin & make us feel "guilty!" Speed limit (law) does same! Cain didn't know what murder was (Gen 4:9) until LAW enacted (Gen 4:11)! We now feel "guilt & shame" if violated.

    Rm 1


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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 18 months ago

    Christianity imposes a HUGE inferiority complex that harms. What ABOUT all those pagan religions that were practiced; and all those pagan rituals that have been inserted - including baptism, trinity and the resurrection part of the salvation message?


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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 18 months ago

    The entire world is butt hurt over it; and everyone continues to suffer JUST because know-it-all Christians refuse to educate themselves about their religion and the things that would be too painful for them to discover - much less, admit.


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    SG: "IF" u would've connected to HIS SPIRIT by "WAITING" (Acts 1:4), u would've NEVER "felt guilty!"


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    "Jesus is the answer and if any religion tells you something that doesn't line up with Gods word then it isn't of God."

    AMEN!


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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 18 months ago

    Same-o, same-o: "You screw up, though, you'd better fear Him and His Son THEN." Insisting that eternal 'bad' being will burn in an eternal lake of fire is emotional terrorism. Any religion that separates you from a direct connection with God is a lie


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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 18 months ago

    Yes we choose - but, we already had free will & free agency. I choose to make this topic my business because I've seen & experienced the serious & deceptive harm that 'salvation' has had on people on all sides. Truth about Christ has been


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    "a lying foundation will never produce pure actions."

    GOD SAID "damned if u don't" (Is 8:20) & if u don't believe READ what HE SAID happens!

    WORD is what was given "pertaining to life and godliness, so if u don't believe "u lack something!"


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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 18 months ago

    If religious folks kept their faith a personal matter - that would be an entirely different thing. If you don't feel guilty - good for you for having your own confidence and not letting the manipulative tactics of religion bring you down. :)


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    BaptistProphet 18 months ago

    We had not known what is good if God had not told us. To lie is natural to us all. To get angry is too. Murder is just the extension of anger, greed, or lust. IF the true God does not tell us that it is wrong, we will always find a way to justify


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    Is 54:4 "Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, & shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more."

    DO U "BELIEVE?"


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    Charlie LeSueur 18 months ago

    I believe in God, but my feeling is the greater forces that try to rule our lives and actions are the corrupt leaders that have instilled this feeling. Scriptures are only as good as the leaders that tell you how to interpret them.


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    Norine Williams 17 months ago

    TRUTH: "IF" 1 "BELIEVES," HIS WORD & r "IN CHRIST," there is NO GUILT, NO SHAME, NO FEAR!

    2Tim 1:7 "For GOD hasn't given us the spirit of fear (fm guilt & shame); but of POWER, & of LOVE, & of a SOUND MIND."

    AMEN!


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    YOU ALL FORGET THE "POWER" OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!

    You see where your belief is Misfit Chick, with those of "UNBELIEVERS!"


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    1st: U "MUST" thk Spiritually! Killing child "spiritually" (Don't condone) not physically! 2nd: When u speak AGAINST WORD IIKgs17:29-41=ONE "PATH;" Lev19:17="REBUKE;" Jn4:23-24=SPIRIT ONLY;"RESPECT?" Matt21:12-13; WHO DO U SERVE (I Cor 10:21)?


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    1: Heb 10:25

    2: II Cor 9:7

    3: Man doesn't tell u what to do ONLY the WORD of GOD!

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    When 1 is "filled w/the Holy Spirit"(BORN AGAIN) his spirit is "perfect!" How else IF HIS SPIRIT "resides w/in us?" It is "renewing of the mind" w/WORD which brings our soul in line w/HELP fm the Holy Spirit! Rm 8:1 "There is NO CONDEMNATION "in CHR


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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 18 months ago

    "It is our responsibility to study the word and to know it" Funny how much studying is needed now to 'get things right' about God; when most people could not read for themselves when this religions was founded - yet another good reason to question...


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    Be "knowledgeable" of each culture, but not AGREE w/their "god!" THE CREATOR is "A JEALOUS GOD" (Exd 20:3) as is your spouse! HE (GOD) is the HUSBAND & we are HIS BRIDE (THE CHURCH)!

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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    READ Heb 10:26;31 KEY WORDS "willfully" & "after knowledge!" READ PS103:12; Jer31:34;Heb8:12;10:17 "& their sins & iniquities will I rem NO MORE!" THIS IS UNDER THE NEW COVENANT!

    "GOOD NEWS!" TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, HUH?

    JESUS has MORE th


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    If u "researched" Christianity, u'd KNOW It's ALL SPIRITUAL & the Holy Spirit "leads & guides us" not what "we think;" therefore, NEVER GUILTY!

    WORD says "There is NO CONDEMNATION to those "IN CHRIST JESUS" (Rm 8:1)!

    We sin, repent, forgive


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    Amen with the exception of "His apostles were all killed." JESUS CHRIST the same yesterday, today & forever" (Heb 13:8) still operates the SAME TODAY! There are "apostles!" There is "revelation" in THE CHURCH!


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    2 Cor 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: & where the Spirit of the Lord is, THERE IS LIBERTY!"


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    Amen! In order to "discern the fake ones(preachers) means we need to "Go Back" (Is 28:13) & "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for the "HELP" (Jn 14:26; 16:13 of the HOLY SPIRIT who will "lead & guide us into ALL TRUTH!"

    BELIEVE!

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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 18 months ago

    Ding, Ding, Ding! "we are in bondage to the rules, rituals and sacrifices that Christ's teachings intended to obliterate". Spoken like someone who has been set free. Congrats. :)


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    Beautiful!

    ACTS is the example of what THE CHURCH should be & THE BOOK OF ACTS is also where THE FIRST CHURCH was established!

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    Charlie LeSueur 18 months ago

    I agree. But guilt can be raised in you by parents when you're born into their religion. Say down the line you become disillusioned, Do you stay in that religion feeling guilt or truly seek answers which may cause friction with friends & love o


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    "but I do respect those that do [Blv Religions] & I'd never judge someone based on their religion" is AGAINST BIBLE! "No other gods" (Exd 20:3) "Judge" (Lev 19:17;IPet 4:17)! If u blv in GOD,u MUST blv ALL of HIS WORD not what u've "heard" but RE


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    "They feared they LORD, and served their own gods, after the manner of the nations whom they carried away from thence." (2 Kgs 17:33)!


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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    You're RIGHT! We're "programmed" by "laws of the land" (society) and/or parent's perception thereof which "begins" formulation of our "opinion of guilt!" Then adulthood exps "reforms opinions" creating our consciences' "perception" of "GUILT!"Rm8:1


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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 18 months ago

    I am impressed with so many of you responding with similar versions of ‘the difference’ between what YOU know and ‘idiot churchgoers’ know. Again, WHATEVER did Christians do for over 300 years without their harmful dogma? Died like idiots, too?


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    Rm 8:1 "There is NO CONDEMNATION to them who are IN Christ Jesus!"

    But you MUST "WAIT" (Acts 1:4)!

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    Either you believe THE CREATOR (GOD/WORD/Bible) or not!

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17 months ago
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    Norine Williams 17 months ago

    GOD doesn't "see" as man! What "seems" disgrace to u, is CORRECTION (2Tim3:16) from HIS WORD! Lev19:17 "Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart:thou shalt in any wise REBUKE thy neighbor, & NOT SUFFER SIN UPON HIM!"

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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    LORD have mercy on you Glynch stating that GOD'S "ONENESS" is a cult!

    FYI I'm not associated with ANY "man-made" RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION - ONLY "JESUS" (aka Father, Son, Holy Spirit & ALL OF HIS OTHER "GLORIES" Col 2:9)!


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Poh Tiong Ho (pohtiongho) says

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18 months ago
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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    LOL! TRUE of "organized RELIGION!"

    TRUE WORSHIPERS follow JESUS thru Paul re: "tithing" (giving) & ALL other "thgs pertaining to life & godliness" under the New Covenant! Giving is NOW "of one's heart" (II Cor 9:6-7)! Don't let "man" fool u


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18 months ago
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    Damian (Damian10) 18 months ago

    I love my church and I love getting the word from them. Religion like judging another person can be and is quite dangerous. The Pharisees were religious and Jesus said you have to be greater than them to get to Heaven. Ours is to be humble always.


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Mike Ciamacco says

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18 months ago
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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    II Cor 9:7 "NOT OF NECESSITY" but what is "purposed in your heart" re: Tithing! If $25 is "purposed in ur heart" GOD KNOWS! Organized Religion KILLS!


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Charlie LeSueur says

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18 months ago
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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    The Holy Spirit (aka JESUS)!

    If you would've "WAITED" (Acts 1:4) for the "POWER" (Acts 1:8) as HE commanded you to do, you would have the Spirit of "discernment" to TELL you who is right & who is wrong!


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Shahid Mahmood (quakefinder) says

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18 months ago
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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    IT "makes u feel guilty" (Jn 16:8)!

    "The ultimate goal" is to become HOLY SPIRIT filled for "leadership & guidance" into ALL TRUTH" (Jn16:13)!


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emon steve mario (emonstv) says

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18 months ago
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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    Rm 1:18-20 {paraphrasing} "We KNOW ungodliness & unrighteousness from creation so we are without excuse!" We just prefer "ungodliness & unrighteousness" because it satisfies the "flesh!"

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Clem Folayan (notterarticles) says

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18 months ago
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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    "If you have sinned realy,its important as human to have a guilty feeling if the conscience is in the right place."

    PRECISELY - It's not RELIGION - but morals!

    Spiritual leaders have an obligation to GOD & souls to exceed unbeliever's "morals!"


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Setank Setunk says

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17 months ago
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    Alan (jonnycomelately) 17 months ago

    "Organized Christianity was successful because it allayed the existing fears of the poor by...." by appealing to their superstitious nature... and controlling their habits.


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Gunny Cracker (Sgt Prepper) says

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18 months ago
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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    Where r u? What time zone?

    Don't worry! JESUS is coming soon!

    Be Ready!


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Celine (ms_independent) says

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17 months ago
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    Norine Williams 17 months ago

    Well, you can thank Adam & Eve for that (Gen 3:6-13)! After they ate, they felt "guilt & shame!" Therefore, Rm 1:18-25 say "We knew from creation & have no excuse for not knowing right from wrong" {paraphrasing}!

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Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) says

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18 months ago
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    Norine Williams 18 months ago

    Heb 13:8! "Research" DEFIES SCRIPTURE (Prov3:5)! We should ONLY "think" WORD! GOD is the CREATOR & "RULER OF OUR SPIRIT!"

    Why let Satan (man) cont LIE to u & "think" u need to "research" how much?

    "don't let SATAN rule ur spirit" (Jn 10:10)


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