After all, if a person insists that truth is relative (and we can't determine what beliefs are right and wrong), what reason is there to believe anything that they say?
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The same would apply to justice. If something is deemed "unjust" we have to ask where our idea of justice comes from. It's not the universe because it is indifferent. It's not society because society isn't an independent organism.
Hey! I would dare say that regardless of how pure the original motive is, humanity has the deal with the pervasiveness of sin that warps our reality. Often, this taints the absolute and transforms any type of "truth" into socio-cultural preference.
Hold on! What question are you asking? Are you asking about "absolute truth" or are you asking about corruptibility of said truth? And, to my knowledge, the Ramadan has not been corrupted by "sin" in the same way priestly celibacy has.
Both, and I am not qualified to comment on matters as they pertain to Islam.
But, does an "absolute" truth's corruptibility make it any less "absolutely" true? We're talking about human execution of "truth," as it were.
Absolute truth remains absolute and true independent of people. It is in the execution of that truth that corruption enters and taints.
Good! Then why did you mention, last time, about your inability to talk about matters pertaining to Islam? That was not the issue I was raising. The compassion of the Ramadan (to remember the poor) remains an unadulterated "truth," does it not?
Because I am not familiar with much is the Muslim faith. Hence, in reference to the claim that, "Ramadan has not been corrupted by 'sin'" I can't comment. I am uninformed about Ramadan & its tradition, therefore I will refrain from commenting.
But you do not have to know anything about Islam. An "absolute truth" is not an absolute truth, if it is specific to any religious or philosophical system. The question is: Do you consider sympathy and compassion to be absolute truths?
Are you guys Christian? If so, you KNOW "men LIE," GOD doesn't (Numbers 23:19)! So NOTHING is "ABSOLUTE TRUTH" BUT GOD (aka HOLY SPIRIT)!
If absolute truth lies in experience, what happens when experience leads different people to different truths? Does that not logically invalidate the absoluteness of said truth?
Ch, the whole of life's unrest, incuding this conversation, is because we use the mind; we see two. There is only Spirit. All flow from this. But only inner experience can show us this. Not science, not mind, nor separation or division. All is He.
What you're describing sounds like pantheism. We can agree that I will always disagree with you on that point. If all is He and I am part divine, that makes me horrifically terrified.
Pantheism is Spirit; Spirit is Pantheism. You are within that game. You are the game. There is only Consciousness, manifesting in different ways, the same Absolute eternal, timeless...Dive into the water; let go of the mind..
You certainly are free to hold your own opinion.