Marriage is sacred, God created Men and Women to be one flesh. If you agree, why? If not, why?
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Mind blowing answer.!
Excellent answer :)
Worst answer yet. Your answer includes incest.
bradmaster, you are reading pretty hard between the lines to come up with that in her answer. In fact, you are putting words in her mouth.
I believe that it should be a women and man. But I also believe that you should stay with your own race.
You mean racecar? Like you should not steal other people's cars I guess.
Sam, C'mon! It's clear he means when you're in running competition, stay in your own lane!!
Yoohoo Florence, we're here in the 21st century. Come join us, won't you?
Florence, I'm happy to say that I and my entire family remained within our own race. The Human race.
He ended the letter by saying, "Ann, speaking on behalf of all gays, this is my message to the world:. LEAVE US ALONE."
I somehow missed the incest comment. Incest is unique in that any offspring is in danger of birth defects. The "consenting adults" bit is nullified by the potential for harm to a child IMO.
well said ma'am :-)
"How sacred is it, really?"
No more sacred than any of the other 'things' a professing Christian is not suppose to do.
Same sex marriages are a thing of the present and future. Get off of Noah's ark and get back on planet earth's boat. Not everyone believes in YOUR "God". How can we ever be unified as a planet, with backwards thinking like this?
We will be "unified as a planet" via a demonic one world government. You'll get your wish Ryboo!
When that "rapture" comes, you will see all the christians marching off together, holding hands. Wow! How gay! I hope they all manage to get through the Pearly Gate. Might be a bit of a squeeze, but that could be fun too.
A well phrased, sensible reply.
to open their eyes, so they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God. Then they will receive forgiveness for their sins and be given a place among God’s people, who are set apart by faith in me.’
So much this! - easy solution... I hate it when people want to push their version of morality on others.
Well marriage is still sacred, as clear as 1+1=2. Altho people try to bend or break it, that fact doesnt change. If people doesnt give a damn on its sanctity, thus cheating, divorces, etc, happens...
Unless you have a Mormon bible. Then it's 1+1+1+1 or however many wives you want! Someone needs to fix all the crazy rules in that bible thing.
Team Wiseman, you are free to believe in whatever you wish, fanatical or otherwise. But you are not free to presume everyone else believes the same as you....and it's ALL beliefs, no facts involved.
Another great answer, Lisa! Good point about the sanctity of straight marriage. Trump fired how many wives so far?
Lisa Volrath, well said & totally agree.
It is up to everyone to decide&edefining something to fit where it doesn't fit is wrong. If something belongs you don't have to redefine. Marriage sn be licensed by gov. The Marriage contract is the worse ever it is vague and meaningless
I used to think gays were bad and stuff. But then, I made a friend who is gay and he is very nice. I don't care what people do as long as they don't hurt anyone else. But having been married and cheated on, I don't hold marriage in high esteem.
We must consider our natural instincts of self-defense against the HIV and preservation of species from this abominable practice of homosexuality.
Your solution to disease is to discriminate against the suffering person? What about TB, cancer and Parkinsons? By the way, not all HIV positive people are gay men.
I guess we should just stop interacting with other people in general. Lots of dangerous, contagious diseases out there. Gotta preserve our species y'know.
I was about to reply and then saw your comment. It puts my thoughts about as succinctly as possible. Thanks!
Homosexuals can always turn from their wickedness & repent. Our God is a god of new beginnings.
Yes! those who are without sin (multiple marriages) should NOT be casting stones (at gay couples).
Yossarian, the Pericope Adulterae seems to be added to the Book of [what post-resurrection fathers dubbed "John"] nearly 200 years after the earliest manuscripts of the book appeared. It may or may not be scripture! My guess---"isn't."
And Jesus said "You must be born again." John 3:7
I have only one question. Where the hell did Rush find FOUR women stupid enough & desperate enough to marry an ugly, fat, cigar-smoking, drug-addicted BIG MOUTH ??? He must hang out in mental institutions!
Glad to see the third respondent to this comment has been banned from HP. Good!
OH Wow!! Thank U HP!! Finally~~at long last someone is paying attention & banning sick, twisted perverts like Prepper! It took U long enough. I only hope this means U'll be banning trolls, stalkers & sock puppets! We deserve a break!
Jonny....I didn't know they axed prepper til U mentioned it here! One down and about 20 to go! Maybe we'll finally be rid of some of the mentally unstable for a while! It's been so annoying & obtrusive.
Well, you knocked that one out of the park. Excellent response to the question.
Thanks Chris....I've always loved baseball! LOL
Agree with this all the way. No better way to say it!
Totally agree. This was an offensive question to be honest.
John.....I hear you. I can't imagine why anyone cares who "agrees" or not, with their choice in a partner! It's totally insignificant. We listen to our heart, follow our dream and seek our own choices.
Great answer, Paula.
Hi Jaye! So good to see you. It's been too long. I'm down to about 25% of the time I once spent here. So much to do during our short summer. Hope all is well with you. And BTW, Thanks. Paula
Award for the shortest correct response.
If you want to be left alone, leave the normal people alone. Don't redefine marriage just because you don't fit in it. That is not equality that is forcing a square peg into a round hole, and saying the a square peg is now a round one????
Excellent thoughts on tolerance/intolerance. Very good answer overall.
Opponents of s.s.m. believe that it threatens to unravel what little is left of our national moral fiber, or possibly the U.S. will be cut off from God's blessings. Given this sort of mindset, if they are a majority, should they not push for a vote?
Aside from the fact that sexuality is not chosen, I agree with you.
Took the words right out of my mouth Jacqui & beat me to it....Well said. Ditto
Choose ones sexuality, color, nationality, name. Sure a different world than the one I was BORN into....!!!!
Boys have penises and girls have vaginas.
and some people are ignorant idiots. What's this? 1st grade Anatomy class? Both male and female have brains for independent thoughts too!
It kinda seems like he just likes saying "penis" and "vagina".
He has hangups, and it's not down there! that I'm talking about. But he's been banned from HP, so we can breathe better air here.
Aime......LMAO! That's funny but I think UR right! Too bad he didn't get a chance to say Good Bye when he got permanently banned .....FINALLY we R rid of his trash!!
Hmmm... if my religion commands me to 'seek and save the lost,' and I consider you to be lost, am I better off obliging you, a mere human, by not intruding on your day, or am I better served by pleasing my Lord and Savior by thumping you with gospel?
Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
It would seem to me, Oh Wise man, that Satan is blinding believers at about the same rate. Believers are not morally superior. They have the same record on marriage success, "fail" in areas such as viewing porn, scheduling abortions in secret.
I agree with you Team Wiseman n Chris Mills. We shouldn't have been blinded by Satan (the god of this world). We should understand the message about the glory of Christ). We're created like Him, n we'll be like Him.
@herrypaul and Team Wise, That "Christ" is a construct of your own mind, designed to suit your preconceived ideas. You are welcome to it, but please don't presume everyone else sees it as you do.
Not enough evil & filth in the world 4 U guys? U need an invisible Satan 2 fear too? Bet U slam UR head w/ a hammer when U have a headache too?
Team Wiseman Amen to your words!! I agree with you. Praise the name of Jesus and thank you Jesus for what you have done and are doing!
I'm giving you a standing ovation for your comment :)
It's absolutely right - I agree with you.
If you want to be left alone, leave the normal people alone. Don't redefine marriage just because you don't fit in it. That is not equality that is forcing a square peg into a round hole, and saying the a square peg is now a round one????
This letter was written in the 1980s. The man came from a place where gays were persecuted (Matthew Shepherd was brutally murdered 15 years later!). That's what he meant by "LEAVE US ALONE".
Normal people? So ignorant.
Next the people will begin to marry animals. They are never satisfied. They(gays) are never content and they want more and more.
You're just being obtuse by comparing TWO CONSENTING ADULTS wanting to get married to marrying an animal. Come on, be better than that.
i need sex
bradmasterOCcal , I have never heard of or met a same-gender couple that try to force a square peg into a round hole. Uncomfortable and pointless!
khaliq...There R several solutions 4 UR specific need. U could try romancing UR significant other, an ice cold shower or a trip to Vegas. Good luck schmuck.
bradmasterOCcal goodluck to being 'normal'.
Oh my dear girl! Everything, on a scale this large at least, has something to do with you! In USA, your moral sensibilities contribute to the national moral fiber. What I hear from you is that, on this issue, ur ambivalent... that's still a position
It's about an opinion. Free speech and the right to express yourself and to have an opinion are not unimportant. What if I said, "who cares if you think murder is wrong, if you disagree with it, don't murder anyone."?
Lol... Laws, Titles, Classifications, and Designations are there for a reason - in order not to create chaos and confusion... If a dog will "meow" instead of bark, that will make confusion.. Animals that dont bark isn't titled "dog", just saying...
Julie...Is this really UR idea of reasoning? We're discussing human beings, not dogs & cats, nor the sounds they make.Chaos & confusion R a matter of perception.Intelligent, mature adults are capable of preventing or dealing both in most case
Something tells me that poor Julie is just easily confused.
I agree with Paula. In all honesty, the same-sex couples are not the ones in chaos and confusion about their love, it is the society who is confused and adding unnecessary chaos to them.
Aime & Elxar...Thank you for stepping up with a voice of reason. I was beginning to think this was a Kindergarten class or bad comedy routine! So many people need to leave the bubble in which they exist. They all need some oxygen.
Well said, Paula! Break out of the bubble and breathe . . . !
All right Chris!! A phrase we should all use more often: "It's really NONE of your business!!" I love it. Actually, I prefer to place the onus on the questioner:..."What business is that of yours??!" Boom!
First you condemn the question, then you claim that it has no power at all. So which is it? And yes, it is meant to provoke thought and change, that is true to the purpose of Hubpages! If you don't want to give your opinion, then don't.
The question is disingenuous, worded to give the impression the asker simply wants to understand another viewpoint. It's the "I just want to know" that I'm thinking about. It changed a straightforward question into one with a poorly hidden agenda.
And I like your attitude!! :)
Cole....Your comment gives away the fact that you're new to HP. If you think this is trash, you obviously haven't done much roaming through our community neighborhoods. This is mild, common and ordinary. Relax, enjoy your time here! Paula
Yes! How can Hubpages allow people to use cuss words on here! How dare they allow a Hubber to call someone's post or opinion trash. Censor them!
People should be able to do what they want as long as it doesn't adversely affect other people. Gay marriage didn't do a thing for couples that just didn't want to get married but wanted ctl over their partner. Gov sn ctl the difference thru marriage
Huh? The government manages our system of laws. We elect our governments to do just that. We don't elect them to tell us whom we can marry, or where to go to the bathroom, or police the sex lives of consenting adults..
Brad may be referring to adverse effect of tax laws on single people. It's cheaper to be married.
How do you raise kids under this shaky arrangement???
In answer to Yoleen Lucas, It would be better to sign up for five years and keep your agreement than sign up for life and break it. Marriage is a shaky arrangement for kids anyway as they're always going to be vulnerable if their parents break up.
YL, this "shaky arrangement" exists now and is worse since half of marriages fail. With Stella's suggestion, it only fails if it falls under five yrs. Children would be less traumatized since they would expect it to end. In this case, end ≠ fail.
It is more about the mentality of parents than the kind of arrangement. If it adds you value or is in line with your views then go ahead, but it isn't the only way to go.
Brother don't get angry.It is above all religious practices.No one can born in this world by matting with same sex.
Nothing was said in this comment about "matting." The commenter spoke of marriage. "Matting" and marriage are not synonymous. Heterosexuals marry all the time with no intentions of having children. They also "matt" all the time w/o getting married.
D. Williams is correct. The bible was not written during Christ's time. It was written 2 or 3 centuries later. It was and still is, political. Why do you think the Romans embraced Christianity? For control of the masses.
Most of the Bible was written long before Jesus was born in a manger. Moses wrote the first 5 books. In it we read the truth about the past, present & future. Jesus said in John 3:3&7 "You must be born again."
The ignorance you mention is us knowing God and knowing His will. When Jesus said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do" is part of what those who do not know Him are doing now.
A dog would not be considered a consenting adult. So, what same sex marriage really means is that only consenting adult humans should be marrying - that's why we have laws to define consenting adult (humans) and marriage licenses..
Christians don't make laws in America because we have a constitutional separation between Church and State. If biblical laws find their way into American law, it is because they make good sense, not because they are found in the Bible.
Thank you G. Diane Nelson Trotter -very good answer!
Oh Diane! I keep wanting 2 tell U something.U have "reminded me of someone" since the 1st time I saw that beautiful face & smile. I figured it out. It's Diana Ross! I have this habit of seeing celebrity look-alikes everywhere!! I tell them too
Observations of 1Corinthians 7 (Quoted in final paragraph in answer above these comments)
1. Better to not marry than to marry. 7:7-8
2. Marriage is primarily a solution for uncontrolled lust, not for childbearing 7:1-2&9
Christians, do you agree
Boy oh Boy! What an answer! Somewhat missing in the logical sense I perceive.
Yawn.... lame and pointless. No one supporting marriage equality is suggesting ONLY homosexual marriages be valid, if they were then you MIGHT have a point. As it is this God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve argument is beyond lame.
If everyone were straight and reproduced, this Earth would be overpopulated in no time. In fact, we're just about there anyway. We need gay people to keep it from totally exploding.
Actually, if there's a God, a question unto itself, there is a good chance all He created was hydrogen. Do you really believe Garden of Eden, 6-day creation, Noah, Tower of Babel, animal spots and stripes from patterns carved in sticks? Hoo boy!
Don't worry David Alexander, it doesn't mean you have to have sex with men or have to watch.
Alan (jonnycomelately) - what is not logical in admitting that it takes a man and a woman to make babies? What is not logical in admitting that if the first people on earth indulged in homosexuality, there would be no human race to argue about it?
Lady Luv.......Yes! I really like your style. "Tell it like it is." There's no other sensible way to dance around certain topics! It is what it is and you nailed it!......Peace, Paula
Ecclesiastes 7:20 says it best:
"For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not."
You're right. Every Christian "cherry picks" scriptures that support their bias and ignore those that interfere with (their) desires.
Homosexual behavior is a choice given how many homosexuals have engaged in heterosexual relationships.
Because people are told that heterosexual relationships are normal from the start and get judged if they feel otherwise. Did you choose to be heterosexual?
Tamara, I could choose to become a vegan right now. Doesn't turn me into an herbivore, savvy? Just means I decided to go against my nature. Much like many gay people try to do, so their bigoted, closed-minded families and society don't reject them.
TW...I'm simply shocked at UR comment in this thread. Other than bi-sexuals, 100% homos never "chose" 2 have hetero rltnshps. But were forced via fear, shame & pressure. Pls chk stats 4 formerly married gays & lesbians & admissions!
I wish I had written this answer, damnit. Nicely done, Lady Luv. Cherry picking through the Bible is what Christians do, in search of principles they would like to see become law. But they ignore other teachings that would crimp even their style.
I am sorry Word. Can you prove it?
If marriage is for multiplication, should people who can't bear children be prohibited from marrying?
herrypaul, if 2 people of the same sex desires to marry then that is their choice and I am not for or against it.However, I am answering your question: do I agree or disagree with same sex marriage? Read the entire chapter of 1 Corinthians 7.
Lisa, being barren is natural, although it doesn't occur to every person..
herry....U confuse people! Y R U asking "word" to prove something U already believe???
God cannot be proven, but an atheist cannot prove that God does not exist. God is our standard for morality, without him, morality is whatever the rich and powerful elites say it is.
No, morality is the good and decent feelings we have toward each other. To harm others on purpose is immoral. Moral - see the golden rule (not strictly for Christians) it's for everyone!
I finally have a point of agreement with herry in the first comment to Word. Yes, please prove it. Biblical references must be backed up by evidence that the Bible itself is true. That the Bible says the Bible is true is not evidence.
And so they did if that's your belief, now times have changed. God also said to accept and love others. People tend to accept that which they are comfortable at the expense of ALL the preaching sadly.
I gave a lot of Scripture if you are interested. Look at comment of G. Diane Nelson Trotter. It keeps down clutter.
hang on a minute, didn't adam and eve have 2 sons, where did the rest of as come from??? mother and son relationship are we a result of incest then??? I would like to know the answer to that before someone goes off about whats right and wrong.
But do you have a real argument instead of the fairytales?
We do not need to prove God's words just read it for yourself.
"There needs to be a separation." An absolute statement based on the previous absolute statement, "Marriage is between a man and a woman." Wow, this sounds authoritative. Why didn't you included the logic behind the statements. Oh, there isn't any?
So you're saying we should condemn everyone who isn't "normal" because people will make fun of them? Shouldn't we be condemning the people who think it's okay to mock people who don't fall under their umbrella of normalcy?
I agree with Aime. I do not get how you consider a person "normal" if they do not have the decency to understand other people's ways of life. Mocking someone is something done by an immature person, not a "normal" one.
Julie..Could U get off the meowing dog? That is so child-like & unimpressive. "Normal" is not only relative but a matter of perception and ideals. U alone do not set normal standards. Each country, culture, lifestyle, & education has it's sta
Guys, I'm not condemning anyone. Did I say "I condemn" in my statement? im stating pure facts. Do u deny the facts that they are mocked? The qstn asked my opinion; I gave my 2cents. My childlike example is plain and simple, even a kid can undrstnd.
Since you're a fan of dictionaries
Condemn: express complete disapproval of, typically in public
"Same as same-sex marriages, it is not normal[...]I do not side with this kind of union"
"How can a moral wrong be a civil right"
No Julie, I'm not denying they R mocked, ridiculed, oppressed & mistreated. As long as there are people like U, they will be. As long as there R intelligent, fair, just & understanding people as myself, we can lift people up & scoff at U
So why did I and my husband bother to marry 27 years ago? We did not plan to or want to have children. The structure of marriage gives a legal framework that is necessary in our complex society for financial and medical purposes (kids or no kids).
So you just throwing something just cause I do not side them? Isn't this question all about? Else, why else bother asking question if ya'll guys taking No for an answer. I stand by my statement that I do not agree w it, cause it is not normal. Gee!
"Marriage was built for pro-creation...." no, Julie, it wasn't. It is a societal construction to encourage partnership. Pro-creation happens via ovum/sperm union. This does not require marriage. Science my dear!
first of it's procreation not pro-creation pro-creation means you are for creation procreation means to have babies. Secondly many many marriages are NOT for procreation purposes, my 85 year old great aunt married a man who was also in his 80's
Normal is what people agree up on. I really hope you don't have extremely intelligent children you have to send to the 'normal' / low average school system. They will suffer by other peoples standards of normality.
When the state gets its nose into something, it is dramatically changed. Usually not for the good.
Do you believe that your god made gay people too? Or just heterosexual people and animals? If that is what you believe, you are very misinformed. And we are in no danger of "get destructed".
S I believe God created gay people too.But yossarian believe that our human race will never get destructed.if u marry ur same sex,there is no possibility to have a child.then ur generation come to an end
But there are millions of kids living in foster care b/c men and women have had children they didn't want or couldn't support. If a gay couple marries and wants children then they can help a child in need. That does nothing but HELP us as a society.
If a gay couple marry and adopt a child means good but the child is not thr own child
My dad adopted me and I was every bit his own child. Why do you think the physical act of making a kid is what's valuable? 7 billion abandoned/unloved children isn't going to help the human race.
I agree with you Rimbin Jeso!
Hello Aime your Dad adopted you .But marriage is not connected with that.if anyone want to adopt a child he dosen't want to marry.you born due to persons of different sex not with same sex. i still say same sex marriage is not good for humans.
If marriage isn't relevant to adoption then why is it relevant to procreation? Sounds like you disagree with homosexuality in general and not just the marriage aspect, correct?
I am unable to have children. Should I also be prohibited from marrying the person I love?
The world is very VERY overpopulated!! There isn't a chance in a gazillion the life cycle will EVER be destroyed. Get your head out of your derriere!
Marriage and Procreation are VERY different things. That's why people get pregnant even when not married, or get married and NOT have children. Please figure out that the 2 things are separate. Marriage is NOT strictly for having babies.
Rimbin, has anyone told you that sex can be very, very enjoyable, especially when no unwanted child is produced. Some gay couples have a loved child sleeping in the next bedroom.... A child who is more than likely going to grow up "straight."
hello Alan,the child belong to gay couple means he or she is not there own child but he or she is an adopted child
Please allow me to quote my friend, "Watson."........"No $hit, Sherlock?"
...and why does that matter? Do you look down on straight people who adopt children?
Aime.....I'll safely assume UR question was to Rimbin.....Bcuz my comment was 2 him ..although I'm sure it went over his head....like, WHO's Sherlock??? LOL
Don't know, but you had your own set of morality from the moment you were born? You get born into a society, family, culture... You adopt it from them, then you evolve it, counter it or accept it.
It's true Teresa Sears! Jesus bless you!
The "Bible" had no idea how we were created. Science told us that. Children have been raised, loved, nurture by gay couples, often better than by heterosexual couples. It doesn't make them gay.
Prejudice comes from ignorance. !
Lol condemning with the Bible in hand.
Marriage is not set up by your God. It's a civil contract.
you are right...
Praise The Lord! I do not agree also.
Great. Then don't marry someone who is gay. Problem solved.
Amen! I don't agree with same sex marriage and to be blunt neither does GOD. Marriage should between a man and a woman.
Not everyone believes in your GOD so why should they have to play by his rules?
That's your opinion, nothing more. Why should your opinion trump other people's rights?
whether you believe in herrypaul's God or not, the fact doesn't cease to exist - that God is still a God... just funny thought how people sometimes here don't have logic.
God is based strictly upon FAITH, Julie, defying logic, which 4 U is a good thing, becuz U use zero logic in UR comments. Herry's god exists 2 HIM, true. U fail 2 grasp there R people who do not believe in a god. Perhaps U have a brain issue?
Julie, you and Herry believing in God doesn't make it real. If I believe in an all powerful unicorn who says everyone named Julie needs to cut off their fingers are you gonna do it? Because by your superior logic, if I believe it it HAS TO BE REAL!
the problem is not a brain issue, but faith! I do not know your faith, of course every one has right to do this, or to do that. it's simple! as long as we don't break the law
If we believe in GOD, our GOD, we must follow and do what He says, I think!
herry, Kings,Darryl & Julie...Please share a hub with us about what life is like on another planet. It may be somewhat interesting~ or not. Is that where UR god lives who condemns gays? Too bad, My God loves everyone.
How do you know if your god changed his mind about same sex marriages? How do you know what "god" thinks? Did you ask him/her/it?
@those who agree w/ herry's god, Another god says all women should wear a veil over their faces in public. Do you agree? Do you practice this? God said it. Prediction: Your answer will include that yours is the true God, and theirs is a false god.
The complication comes in when everyone is expected to agree to the same thing.
Whoever made Steve would also have made Dave. A&E, S&D would have lived happily ever after in the Garden. E wouldn't have eaten the forbidden fruit because S&D would have been out in the garden with her while A stayed home and watched wre
You mean against your religion. Don't know what specific definition of God you adhere to.
The term natural law cannot be cited without some explanation of how nature suggests such a law exists. Natural Law is not simply you stating something is unnatural.
I can follow Chris on this. The natural law thing is also more or less the order humans 'impose' on the world by their repeated experience of certain patterns and stripping away some variance and outliers. You state it as more or less a priori?
re: "marriage is different for us all and no one should have a say to if anyone gets married other than those actually getting married." It has long been part of vows: "...if anyone objects to this marriage, speak now, or forever hold your peace"
*Is it --- my bad
You've made some very good points, Karin. I like this..."Get on with your own lives! And stop wasting the only life you have hating those you know nothing about."
I say howdy to my neighbor and we help each other with chores that need a younger back or two of us. But I damn sure don't have the time to care about who is sleeping with who over there. They seem loving. Spouse abuse I do care about.
A good comment Erwin rosales: Thank you!
herrypaul, you design the god that suits you, for yourself, in your own mind. Beyond that your god does not exist.
Erwin & herry. U R both talking out of both sides of UR mouths. (where is God's well located?) Take UR time commenting. Errors R rampant! We have no right to judge-TRUE. So why do U? Sonia get URself & UR SPAM the HELL off our site!
Are you willing to make that blanket statement and have it apply to every other mature, responsible adult in the world? Or should they be allowed to make their own choice as you have?
No, I do not agree with same-sex marriage. However, I further agree that marriage is sacred, according to the word of God!!!
Although I have my own experiences with marriage and divorce, I still sense it to be sacred when the anatomy of male an
Sure, people can make their own choice--that is the freedom that God has given us. But there are consequences that come with those choices. You can't always do what feels good.
LoliHey, I appreciate that you are willing to concede that people do have freedom to choose on this matter, not only in respect to your opinion but also in respect to your God and the Bible. If there are consequences, leave them to Him.
(LoliHey), I am in total agreement that their is indeed consequences we all as individuals will have to give in account of before God. I also truly believe that God gives us the freedom of choices. - You stated it quite beautifully!!!
Except that there are many homosexual, intersex, and gender variant animals in the world. So no, homosexuality is in no way unnatural.
So, if you are no longer "fruitful", you should cover yourself with ashcloth and go live in a cave in isolation? The only reason people unite in marriage, even straight marriage, is to create more people? You must be Catholic, you sound very Papist.
So, let me get this straight. God made sex for reproduction only. Man somehow made sex pleasurable. How did we do that? There are certain things that happen during sex which man did not invent, and they are very pleasant.
So heterosexual couples who can't have kids or don't want kids shouldn't get married?
Chris, If LONG term memory serves me(LOL) U R correct! IF god is involved in all, our existence=marriage=sex=reprodcton & sex has ONE purpose, he could have made it painful, disgusting & unnecessary unless we INSIST on reproducing. Yes? No?
Paula, of course, at the beginning, fast population growth would have been desirable, so He could have made sex pleasurable to coax us into having sex. But then that backfired as soon as overpopulation became an issue.
Long term memory, huh? haha
Actually consummation is merely performing the act of coital-intercourse and no pregnancy is required to perfect a marriage and make it real.
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Yes, but apples and oranges are both FRUITS! Where is it written that all fruits must marry the same race of fruits. Have you never heard of cross bred fruits?
The pt is that when you redefine something by changing the fundamentals you change the original. The lgbt has no more of a common denominator than does it have to normal humans. Sexual orientation is just preference. Take the bisexual as an example
And what is so bad about having gender preferences? You act like it's a bad thing? It is ok to feel different. We don't have to CONFORM, just because you say so, or some book says so.
herrypaul thank you
Yossarian. Fruits? I see someone left the door to the flight deck unlocked again! Jesus! So tell me Yoss...if an apple marries a bunch of grapes, does that make it a Mormon apple? Try a new Rx.
First tell me why your opinion matters to a gay couple in love in the first place. It's really none of your business.
I agree with you Gina van Staden! That's true!
I wonder how people get so hung up on what's natural. Do you shun cool air on a hot summer day because air conditioners aren't natural? Where does this allegiance to "natural" come from? As humans we thrive in artifice. Tang, Jello, Nylon, Duracell..
Well Nudely, air conditioning works. Electricity serves a purpose (runs A/Cs for one), however, homosexual acts NEVER creates babies and create unstable relationships and a twisted view on life if homosexuals actually have a long term relationship.
"Hate the sin but not the sinner" is nothing but an insult dressed in honorable clothing. It is condescending and should be shoved back into the face of the one dishing it out.
Hmmm... one of the most original takes on the topic... I'll give you that!
You are Right ........
You and your family are right! Thank you very much Team Wiseman!
Ineed, you and your family is right - Of course the truth is never accepted well at all .
I do not agree because of the war against God and especially because it is not God's will.
Just entirely offensive Team Wiseman. You dishonor people like me who are gay and married and don't behave in the ways you mention. By the way - God laws also say not to judge others, which you are doing very well in your bigoted remarks,
Where could I get this book? Amazon doesn't sell it.
You might want to take a course in genetics. Humans don't come from ribs anymore (if they ever did outside of a legend). We have genetic codes that control our physical bodies - half from man and half from woman. Some mutations occur.
Like I always say same-sex marriages cannot be consummated via non-coitel intercourse and man-gravy is the Forbidden Fruit...DO NOT eat it!
God has already did the judging against SSM at Romans 1:26-32, but many people refuse to acknowledge those verses in the Bible. There are things God will NOT accept and SSM is definitely something that God does not approve of or accept.
Interesting! Deep Bible study has shown me that it (the Bible) is preposterous, inaccurate, and is MAN's word, not God's. One needs to study the Bible, not just from within its pages, but study it's veracity as a skeptic too.
Absolutely correct Faith Graichen.... absolutely correct. It is amazing how people are ready to believe God's Word with regard to stealing, hatred, lying, & adultery, but faint in the face of moral laws that demand self-discipline and self denial
Religion or faith?
I do not agree, but it not my place, nor government's place to tell two consenting people, that they cannot do something. The are not hurting anyone else by doing it, and Uncle Sam needs to keep his nose out of peoples' business. As far as the Bible,
Kyle, no congratulations are in order for treating two human beings as human beings if they visit your church. I doubt your church would be unaffected if a gay couple was welcomed by the youth director. It's the stuff church splits are made of.
I agree, there may be some that unfortunately would not think kindly of them in our church, and that is very unfortunate. I was in no regard looking for a congrats either, they ought to be treated with the same respect as anyone else who comes.
Well said, Kyle.
When you come home at an hour when your favorite slave isn't expecting you, and you find he didn't do as you asked, you may beat him with many stripes according to Luke 12:45 ff - - The U.S. says you may not have slaves, but God says it's OK.
You are most beautiful and will make someone a good wife!
Amen to that!
Thank you Rick. The Bible is the way I answer questions like this because after all that's said and done God's rules and commandments will prevail. God can say it better than me. No amount of legislation or picketing can change God's views or mine.
You're welcome and God bless you!
Blessings and good will to you Rick as well :)
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I see you are obsessed with the physical act of sex in this regard. I know several gay men and they are focused on the emotional element of the relationship. They are attracted to men as you are (apparently) to women. It is not all about the sex act.
I find it way more uncomfortable to think about people who are so sexually repressed that they consider homosexuality to be "a filthy act."
The world has just about lost its balance already, due to all these people having children they can't care for. We need MORE gays, not less!
Wow, that may be the shallowest, most pathetic statement ever made about gays and lesbians. My brother is gay. The balance in his life and the friendships he has built are quite impressive. Please share your sources for this drivel.
Homosexual men in Canada and the US have a life expectancy 20 to 30 years less than the average heterosexual due to sexually transmitted diseases and far higher rates of alcoholism and drug use. The gay "lifestyle" kills them.
Sexually transmitted diseases are only a problem among gay men? I never knew that. Tell me, are gay men alcoholics because they are gay? With all we know about alcoholism today (I'm in recovery) do you really believe homosexuality causes alcoholism?
Tamara, please quote your sources of information that are NOT from right-wing, conservative, religiously biased organisations or individuals. Your biased opinion is erroneous, sorry to tell you.
My other penis is a vagina.
Would you be able to prove marriage originated with religion? Tribal religion? Chinese culture? It is an assumption many of us make, but I don't think anyone can prove.
You defined it, but are you for it or against it?
I wish love was the only reason people marry. I've known LOTS of people who married for other reasons - convenience (I was asked once), citizenship (the first man who asked me), to bear smart/attractive children (my father), money, security, career.
that's true! I agree with you!
At the end of the day it only matters what God thinks about same sex marriage. It's disgusting to Him and true Christians alike. Its not about what our viewpoint is if it's not in harmony with God's view of same sex relationships.
Thank-you for your insightful comments. I agree, being hateful about a person's sexual orientation is not the right way to attract them to Jesus who will win them over with His love. We are to be a beacon, a light, that shows Him only His love.
To not support same sex "marriage" is not to hate people. It is to stand on God's words and His will for us.
The question is: Does God agree with same SSM? Does the Bible agree with SSM? Absolutely not. So it really doesn't matter what you or others feel about this filthy sexual union between same gender people. It's all about what God has to say about SSM.
How could you possibly know when the first tribal "governments" formed?
MM, you said this, "Let people think what they want and "marry" who they want." That is all anyone is asking. Can you do that? You don't have to agree with them, you can even call them sinners, but in you r own words, Let them marry who they want.
I'm not stopping anyone Chris Mills
Just so you know, there is no switch thrown or button pushed that activates fertility by the presiding person, whether the person is clergy or civil servant. People can reproduce without being married. What are you talking about?
ya..we, men or women, can reproduce without being married: that we call science! I can not say "agree or disagree, because without science we're blind, but sometimes science also blinds us. So what should I do? I do not know.
I still don't know what you are talking about.
Boys have penises and girls have vaginas. Basic biology.
If the basic role of marriage is to have kids then should people unable to procreate not be able to get married? What about people who simply don't want to have kids?
Having kids is one of the purposes of marriage not everything. Some people can not have kids even being married due to some sort of medical problem. So no problem. But who on the earth do not want to have a child ?
What? Is that a serious question? There R hundreds of thousands of people who choose 2 not have children! Many people find life quite fulfilling & wonderful w/o reproducing! They may also choose 2 marry. Some people have babies & adopt them o
very well said Hammad
Um, yeah, lots of people don't want to have children. I have a child and she's the love of my life but I still completely understand not wanting to have kids. What are the other purposes of marriage & what excludes gay people from marrying for th
Suprise! Not everybody on earth wants to have children! And there are tons of children with no parents! Wake up and look around you.
First off, no this definition of marriage is not the ONLY one in history. Historically same sex marriage has been practiced by a number of cultures and religions throughout history. Chinese, Greek, Roman, Egyptian, and more had many examples. Nero!
God has already judged this repulsive union of SSM. He has already judged SSM/gender people on this issue (Romans 1:26-32). So the excuse of saying its up to God to judge those indiviuals who marries a person of the same sex is pointless.
My grandmother, who was born shortly after the civil war and still practiced all things victorian, spoke of "Dedicated Bachelors" with a little naughty grin on her face. I never dreamed she could have known anything about gay people, but she knew.
FYI man-gravy is the Forbidden Fruit.
"I do believe any relationship not built on the foundation of Christ will eventually fail..." How does this explain the divorce rate among Christians being equal, if not higher, than the world's?
Hi Yoleen, to answer your question.. It is because of the to many so-called Christians, foxhole Christians, immature Christians, and the kind of Christians that prays a prayer when it's only Sunday. Not both, prob just one person.
Julie Nou - actually, Christians tend to pressure people into marriage, while being woefully ignorant regarding what's involved. They expect God to solve problems, rather than deal with it. Divorce is highest among those with singles ministries.
This is a difficult question to answer. My views have changed a lot in the last couple of years. What I believe is that two adults have the right to make their own decision. Even God does not force anyone to do anything.
I'm the oldest of 8 children. Three of us married and divorced twice. Three married and divorced once. Two of us never married. Only one is married now. The big marriage question is really about how to choose a mate that's compatible.
If you use that definition of consummation for any other application of the word, it makes no sense. You manufactured this definition to prove your point. Consummation is simply the point at which something is complete or finalized.
I am kind of interested here. Kevin is that your definition or are you getting that from some place? I find it hard to believe that my wife and I were not married when we finished our vows.
As long as all you people agree that coital-intercourse is required to perfect a marriage is all that matters to me. "Boys have penises and girls have vaginas." Even a kindergartner can figure that out.
That's a weird and meaningless stipulation. Fixating on which orifice someone needs to stick their junk into in order for it to "count" is caring wayyyy too much about what other people do with their own said junk.
Kevin -- I sure hope you do not have a kindergartner. Teaching about intercourse to a 5 year old is weird and probably sick. Where to you get this that intercourse is required to perfect a marriage?! Paralyzed vets cannot marry?
They don't want to teach cursive writing or reading an analog clock, but teaching a 5 yr old intercourse, is like telling them Santa Claus doesn't exists. There is plenty of time for both, but 5 yr old is not it.
Eric finding an extreme case to excuse what perverted demonic men have a compulsion to do is absurd. You think because one in a million people cannot have intercourse excuses what the fecal-matter eaters do.
You're too sad to even fight with, Sgt Prepper. I feel sorry for you. I can't imagine what it's like living with such a dark and difficult view of the world and the people in it.
I feel sorry for all you people wearing blinders to what The Illuminati is doing right before our eyes and under our noses. 9/11 was an inside-job just like Pearl Harbor & the OKC bombing. Oswald was a patsy. BHO was born in Kenya. Next is WW3&am
What do dumb conspiracy theories have to do with homosexuals?
Homosexuality & Islam are only two of the many and various ways the Luciferians are making a New World Order which will only recognize their god - the devil. You will continue to see the expansion of Islam & homosexuals EVERYWHERE.
Man and woman not created only to love.main thing is to reproduce and run the life cycle in this world.if not means why GOD created woman? He may create another man with Adam to love
Two men or two women married to each other cannot reproduce children....the human race would eventually die out. When God performed the first marriage between and Adam and Eve, they were commanded to "fill the earth" with their offspring.
Not everyone believes in God, or wants children, and with a divorce rate hovering around 50% it's clear not everyone believes in until death. There are seniors who get married with no plans to have children.
Marriage is about love not children.
God created man from the dust, Adam, then after all the creatures for Adam. Then God decided none were compatible for man so He created Eve from Adam's rib. So God did not create man for man or woman for woman.
God does not accept or condone same sex marriage. It is very sad that people imply that He does. Some realize that God condemns SSM but don't care. Others don't know God's views on SSM and so they go along with what's popular. (Romans 1:26-32)
Marriage is only expressed in one way by God and not in a "multitude of ways"....Also, marriage is a divine institution between a man and a woman and not between same sex partners. I am quite/very sure God is NOT pleased with same sex marriage.
snapcracklepop Amen to what you say about God's way!
With all due respect, if someone doesn't believe in God then they don't give a flying squirrel if he hypothetically isn't pleased. Just because you choose to live by God's rules doesn't mean everyone else has to.
Aime, just because you and others choose not to go along God's Word concerning SSM or choose not to listen to Him doesn't change anything with God. It goes both ways.
Right, but no one's forcing you to marry someone of the same sex. Why not leave those who don't believe in God to make their own decisions based on their own beliefs and leave it at that?
So Aime because I state what God's Word says concerning SSM I'm "forcing" people to go against their beliefs? I don't recall putting a gun to someone's head. I'm simply stating that I'm in agreement with God's Word concerning SSM.
Okay, you're right. I'm making an assumption that if you disagree with same sex marriage then you don't think gay marriage should be legal. Do you believe that gay people have the right to be married even if you don't agree? If so, I apologize.
I believe they have a right to do whatever they want to do. But just because they chose to marry their same gender doesn't make it right in God's eyes nor mine. My disapproval of SSM is in harmony with the Bible and that is my stance.
Gotcha. Although I can't understand that, I can respect it. Sorry for the assumption. :)
It is not God's will. He created Adam from the dust and then the animals, then said the animals are not for enough man. Then He put the man Adam into a sleep to remove his rib and created woman from the rib for Adam and called her name Eve.
God doesn't join people in civil ceremonies. The state does.
And the state and the federal government should not get involved.There is nothing in the constitution that says they have to get involved or even why they should get involved. The 14th didn't even give Black men or women the right to vote.
Marriage is a legal contract. You can stand in front of any priest or minister, and marry---and it's not legal, unless you have a license, and file the correct paperwork. That has been the case since the Middle Ages.
There is an assumption here that God created Eve based on a narrative book. Not everyone thinks mankind originated from magic. Some people think mankind happened as a result of evolution that happened millions of years ago.
Speaking of polio, are you against the unnatural vaccines that helped skyrocket life expectancy and save children's lives? How about the unnatural treatments for cancer? Nature tries to kill us on a regular basis. Silly argument.
My comment stands hidden as it is negative. I have no problems there. But one point. When you ask for public opinion, you should be prepared for both positive and negative reactions. Because, from such talks springs a correct solution.
Did you actually just link polio to lack of breastfeeding? What grade of schooling did you complete beyond 2nd grade? What's UR useless explanation for hundreds of diseases totally unrelated to homosexuality?
Nature does make mistakes but it usually works. But some children are born with deformities, such as spina bifida, mental retardation, etc. Wives and husbands may cheat so where is the sanctity of marriage and of doing what's "right"?
Perhaps you're right learninghut: Thank you for your comment!
You always welcome
learninghut........huh? Come again? Perhaps you might want to re-write your conglomeration of words that reads like an incomprehensible pile of verbal jibberish?
How could anyone agree or disagree with this string of words?
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People the subject is sometimes people may however put their words into an order that to others may seem strange in a way to erringly sound erudite by confusing even oneself much less the reader by saying nothing absolutely
In these last days expect a LOT more gays & Moslems in Obama's amerika. Kenyan-born, gay, commie, Moslem BHIO is the Antichrist. Jesuit child-trafficker Pope Francis is the False Prophet & Allah is just another name for the devil. Ephesians 6
I do not agree in same sex marriage because marriage is for procreation and company,Same sex should not call there's marriage but friendship
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